Re: arpeggio placement

2009-08-25 Thread Robin Bannister

David Stocker wrote:
Any hints on forcing the arpeggio line to the right 
to make the placement more natural would be appreciated.


For the first case, fiddle with the padding.
Negative works too,  e.g.
  \override Staff.Arpeggio #'padding = #-0.4

For situations where this doesn't work, see 
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2009-03/msg00658.html



Cheers,
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Re: Accidentals: Unwanted naturals

2009-08-25 Thread Simon Mackenzie

Hi guys correct me if I am wrong.

The g minor chord has two flats Eb  Bb which need to be marked as es  
and bes in Lilypond other wise the Accidental_engraver sees them as  
naturals in the g minor chord, hence the natural symbol for any  
unmarked E or B note in your music.


Just trying to see if I understand this all correctly?
How did I do?
Simon

On 25/08/2009, at 01:39, Sona wrote:

I'm new to Lilypond and the list. So far the code is pretty  
intuitive, but I am stumped by the way accidentals work. Several  
posts deal with this subject, but probably are beyond a novice's  
ability to undertand.


I'm transcribing a modern piece with 2 flats in the key signature  
(I've set \key g \minor). It's rather atonal, though, so it seems  
Lilypond tries to correct pitch by turning every e-flat and b-flat  
into a natural.


What code do I use to override this? The printed result should have  
only 4 accidentals. Right now there are 37, and of course the  
pitches are all off.


What do I put where in what part of the code? I can send my page  
code, if it would be helpful.


Thanks in advance!
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Re: Accidentals: Unwanted naturals

2009-08-25 Thread David Bobroff
Correct.  *ALL* pitches in the input *must* be explicitly given.  The 
key signature assignment tells LilyPond how to display the pitches.  For 
exmaple; 'e' *always* means e-natural no matter what the key signature is.


-David

Simon Mackenzie wrote:

Hi guys correct me if I am wrong.

The g minor chord has two flats Eb  Bb which need to be marked as es 
and bes in Lilypond other wise the Accidental_engraver sees them as 
naturals in the g minor chord, hence the natural symbol for any unmarked 
E or B note in your music.


Just trying to see if I understand this all correctly?
How did I do?
Simon

On 25/08/2009, at 01:39, Sona wrote:

I'm new to Lilypond and the list. So far the code is pretty intuitive, 
but I am stumped by the way accidentals work. Several posts deal with 
this subject, but probably are beyond a novice's ability to undertand.


I'm transcribing a modern piece with 2 flats in the key signature 
(I've set \key g \minor). It's rather atonal, though, so it seems 
Lilypond tries to correct pitch by turning every e-flat and b-flat 
into a natural.


What code do I use to override this? The printed result should have 
only 4 accidentals. Right now there are 37, and of course the pitches 
are all off.


What do I put where in what part of the code? I can send my page code, 
if it would be helpful.


Thanks in advance!
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Re: Accidentals: Unwanted naturals

2009-08-25 Thread Simon Mackenzie
In response to Graham and others who have expressed frustration about  
people who have failed to pickup on accidentals.


It can be very difficult for fist time novices like myself to  
understand implicit information about what is a reasonably technical  
musical concept.
I spent four hours last night pouring through web site tutorials and  
only now do I understand why the tutorial puts so much emphasis on  
accidentals.
Prior to this accidentals and the emphasis in the tutorial on  
accidentals made no sense to me at all.


When I have more time I'll develop this more fully for the sake of  
others because I know it will help to fill out my understanding further.


Simon

On 25/08/2009, at 02:02, Graham Percival wrote:


On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 11:39:37AM -0700, Sona wrote:

I'm new to Lilypond and the list. So far the code is pretty
intuitive, but I am stumped by the way accidentals work. Several
posts deal with this subject, but probably are beyond a novice's
ability to undertand.


No.  Those posts tried a horrible solution which didn't fix
anything.  This *is* well within a novice's ability understand.

Please read chapter 2 of the Learning Manual.  Tutorial-Simple
notation-Key signatures and Accidentals.
(or something like that)


I'm transcribing a modern piece with 2 flats in the key
signature (I've set \key g \minor). It's rather atonal, though,
so it seems Lilypond tries to correct pitch by turning every
e-flat and b-flat into a natural.


It sounds like your input contained e-natural and b-natural.  You
probably wanted to write ees and bes in your input file.

Seriously, have you read the tutorial?  If so, why did you skip
over the big warning about accidentals?  This is the second person
recently to not notice that warning; should we make it bigger, or
add a red background, or something?

- Graham


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Re: boxed measures

2009-08-25 Thread Stefan Thomas
Dear Mats,
this sounds quite good, but I have no idea how to use the
ly:make-stencil-function for drawing boxes!


2009/8/24 Mats Bengtsson mats.bengts...@ee.kth.se

 There are already functions available in LilyPond Scheme, to draw boxes,
 that should be useful here, such as box-stencil. To use it, you first have
 to create an (empty) stencil of the appropriate dimensions, for example
 using ly:make-stencil.

 /Mats

 Nick Payne wrote:


 The box could be drawn with Postscript. Here’s an example of drawing large
 square brackets with Postscript. Easily modifiable to draw a box:

 \version 2.12.1

 #(define lbracket 0.25 setlinewidth

 0 setlinejoin

 0 setlinecap

 0.5 -2 moveto

 -2 0 rlineto

 0 8.8 rlineto

 2 0 rlineto

 stroke)

 #(define rbracket 0.25 setlinewidth

 0 setlinejoin

 0 setlinecap

 0.5 -2 moveto

 2 0 rlineto

 0 8.8 rlineto

 -2 0 rlineto

 stroke)

 \relative c' {

 c4-\markup { \postscript #lbracket } c c c-\markup { \postscript #rbracket
 }

 }

 Nick Payne

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 internode.on@gnu.org] *On Behalf Of *Stefan Thomas
 *Sent:* Sunday, 23 August 2009 5:43 PM
 *To:* lilypond-user
 *Subject:* boxed measures

 Dear community,
 I would like to do something like You can see in the attached image.
 I don't mean the feathered beams (I know how this can be done) but the
 boxed bars, followed by the dotted lines.
 I have no idea how to do this in Lilypond.
 A hint would be great!
 Thanks
 Stefan

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Re: Accidentals: Unwanted naturals

2009-08-25 Thread Reinhold Kainhofer
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Am Dienstag, 25. August 2009 10:09:53 schrieb Simon Mackenzie:
 The g minor chord has two flats Eb  Bb 

Exactly. This means that a note that is displayed on the middle staff line 
without any accidental is actually a B-flat, not a B. In Lilypond you have to 
enter the real pitches, so you have to enter a b-flat. If you enter only b, 
then lilypond assumes you really want a b, which means that lilypond needs 
to print a natural, because the key signature says that without it a note on 
the middle staff line means a b-flat.

If you know the piano, you can think of each key on the piano having one name 
(b, b-flat, etc.) and if you want one particular key on the keyboard being 
pressed, you need to use that name.

Don't think of okay, that note should be displayed on the middle staff line. 
The middle staff line means b, so I have to enter b. This is wrong, since 
the middle staff line can mean either b, b-flat or b-sharp, depending on the 
key 
signature.

Cheers,
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Re: Accidentals: Unwanted naturals

2009-08-25 Thread David Bobroff

As a follow-up, have the people with unwanted accidentals seen this:

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/user/lilypond-learning/Accidentals-and-key-signatures#Key-signatures

...and is it not clear?  The last example on that page shouldn't be any 
less clear than the example I gave.


-David

David Bobroff wrote:
Correct.  *ALL* pitches in the input *must* be explicitly given.  The 
key signature assignment tells LilyPond how to display the pitches.  For 
exmaple; 'e' *always* means e-natural no matter what the key signature is.


-David

Simon Mackenzie wrote:

Hi guys correct me if I am wrong.

The g minor chord has two flats Eb  Bb which need to be marked as es 
and bes in Lilypond other wise the Accidental_engraver sees them as 
naturals in the g minor chord, hence the natural symbol for any 
unmarked E or B note in your music.


Just trying to see if I understand this all correctly?
How did I do?
Simon

On 25/08/2009, at 01:39, Sona wrote:

I'm new to Lilypond and the list. So far the code is pretty 
intuitive, but I am stumped by the way accidentals work. Several 
posts deal with this subject, but probably are beyond a novice's 
ability to undertand.


I'm transcribing a modern piece with 2 flats in the key signature 
(I've set \key g \minor). It's rather atonal, though, so it seems 
Lilypond tries to correct pitch by turning every e-flat and b-flat 
into a natural.


What code do I use to override this? The printed result should have 
only 4 accidentals. Right now there are 37, and of course the pitches 
are all off.


What do I put where in what part of the code? I can send my page 
code, if it would be helpful.


Thanks in advance!
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Re: Accidentals: Unwanted naturals

2009-08-25 Thread Simon Mackenzie
Sorry but as a first time user to lilypond and music in general this  
section in the tutorial was about as clear as mud to me.
Not wanting to offend anyone just stating how I felt the fist time I  
read this section in the learning tutorial.


As I said previously when I have time I'll have a shot at articulating  
this more fully to aid my learning further and help others who have  
been tripped up Accidental(ly).


Simon

On 25/08/2009, at 15:34, David Bobroff wrote:


As a follow-up, have the people with unwanted accidentals seen this:

http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/user/lilypond-learning/Accidentals-and-key-signatures#Key-signatures

...and is it not clear?  The last example on that page shouldn't be  
any less clear than the example I gave.


-David

David Bobroff wrote:
Correct.  *ALL* pitches in the input *must* be explicitly given.   
The key signature assignment tells LilyPond how to display the  
pitches.  For exmaple; 'e' *always* means e-natural no matter what  
the key signature is.

-David
Simon Mackenzie wrote:

Hi guys correct me if I am wrong.

The g minor chord has two flats Eb  Bb which need to be marked as  
es and bes in Lilypond other wise the Accidental_engraver sees  
them as naturals in the g minor chord, hence the natural symbol  
for any unmarked E or B note in your music.


Just trying to see if I understand this all correctly?
How did I do?
Simon

On 25/08/2009, at 01:39, Sona wrote:

I'm new to Lilypond and the list. So far the code is pretty  
intuitive, but I am stumped by the way accidentals work. Several  
posts deal with this subject, but probably are beyond a novice's  
ability to undertand.


I'm transcribing a modern piece with 2 flats in the key signature  
(I've set \key g \minor). It's rather atonal, though, so it seems  
Lilypond tries to correct pitch by turning every e-flat and b- 
flat into a natural.


What code do I use to override this? The printed result should  
have only 4 accidentals. Right now there are 37, and of course  
the pitches are all off.


What do I put where in what part of the code? I can send my page  
code, if it would be helpful.


Thanks in advance!
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Re: arpeggio placement

2009-08-25 Thread David Stocker

Works perfectly. Thanks Robin!

David

Robin Bannister wrote:

David Stocker wrote:
Any hints on forcing the arpeggio line to the right to make the 
placement more natural would be appreciated.


For the first case, fiddle with the padding.
Negative works too,  e.g.
  \override Staff.Arpeggio #'padding = #-0.4

For situations where this doesn't work, see 
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2009-03/msg00658.html



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Re: Accidentals: Unwanted naturals

2009-08-25 Thread Tim McNamara


On Aug 25, 2009, at 3:50 AM, Simon Mackenzie wrote:

Sorry but as a first time user to lilypond and music in general  
this section in the tutorial was about as clear as mud to me.
Not wanting to offend anyone just stating how I felt the fist time  
I read this section in the learning tutorial.



I'm not sure why this is difficult.  In the code you must write the  
note you want.  If you want a B flat, you must write bes (if using  
the default language for LilyPond).  If you want B you write b and  
if you want B# you write bis.  LilyPond cannot guess whether you  
want B, Bb or B#.  It seems to me that by the end of the text under  
the two examples about accidentals, this should be straightforwardly  
clear.  Is there some way of phrasing this that would have made it  
clearer for you?


BTW, doing it this way is what allows LilyPond to transpose music to  
different keys cleanly and accurately.  This makes life so much  
easier for the user when arranging for horns and other transposing  
instruments, doing orchestral music, jazz, transposing for singers, etc.


For the developers, I think that something is confusing here for  
English speakers:  the use of -es and -is for flatted and sharped  
notes as the default.  I was initially bewildered by this, not  
knowing that the default conventions are Dutch.  This seems odd given  
that the default language for the Web site and documentation is  
pretty much English, so I think some confusion on the part of newbies  
when Dutch is used in the code can be forgiven.


If the user is new to music in general then they have set  
themselves a daunting task trying to score music with LilyPond.   
There is no way for the documentation to make up for the user's lack  
of knowledge about the structure of music.  My condolences there but  
I see no responsibility for the LilyPond documentation to tutor users  
in music, only in the use of the program.



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Re: Accidentals: Unwanted naturals

2009-08-25 Thread Leonardo Herrera
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:34 AM, David Bobroffbobr...@centrum.is wrote:
 As a follow-up, have the people with unwanted accidentals seen this:

 http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/user/lilypond-learning/Accidentals-and-key-signatures#Key-signatures

 ...and is it not clear?  The last example on that page shouldn't be any less
 clear than the example I gave.

I do have a suggestion: I would add two examples to the section that
shows this clearly.

Warning: key signatures and pitches

Please take a close look at the following examples:

Example a:
c d e f g a b

Example b:
\key cis \major
c d e f g a b

To determine whether to print an accidental, LilyPond examines the
pitches and the key signature. The key signature only affects the
printed accidentals, not the note’s pitch! This is a feature that
often causes confusion to newcomers, so let us explain it in more
detail.

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Re: Accidentals: Unwanted naturals

2009-08-25 Thread James E. Bailey
It is actually perfectly reasonable for a person completely new to  
notating music for this to not make sense. The purpose of the  
documentation is to provide information about how lilypond prints  
music. Other resources are necessary to provide information about the  
difference, both written and sounded of a note and the various  
accidentals that can change a note.


One big (in my opinion, reasonable) assumption made by the LilyPond  
documentation is that anyone using the program will be familiar with  
musical terms and what they mean. Hopefully in english, but there's  
even a glossary for foreign language speakers.


On 25.08.2009, at 10:50, Simon Mackenzie wrote:

Sorry but as a first time user to lilypond and music in general  
this section in the tutorial was about as clear as mud to me.
Not wanting to offend anyone just stating how I felt the fist time  
I read this section in the learning tutorial.


As I said previously when I have time I'll have a shot at  
articulating this more fully to aid my learning further and help  
others who have been tripped up Accidental(ly).


Simon

On 25/08/2009, at 15:34, David Bobroff wrote:

As a follow-up, have the people with unwanted accidentals seen  
this:


http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.13/Documentation/user/lilypond-learning/ 
Accidentals-and-key-signatures#Key-signatures


...and is it not clear?  The last example on that page shouldn't  
be any less clear than the example I gave.


-David

David Bobroff wrote:
Correct.  *ALL* pitches in the input *must* be explicitly given.   
The key signature assignment tells LilyPond how to display the  
pitches.  For exmaple; 'e' *always* means e-natural no matter  
what the key signature is.

-David
Simon Mackenzie wrote:

Hi guys correct me if I am wrong.

The g minor chord has two flats Eb  Bb which need to be marked  
as es and bes in Lilypond other wise the Accidental_engraver  
sees them as naturals in the g minor chord, hence the natural  
symbol for any unmarked E or B note in your music.


Just trying to see if I understand this all correctly?
How did I do?
Simon

On 25/08/2009, at 01:39, Sona wrote:

I'm new to Lilypond and the list. So far the code is pretty  
intuitive, but I am stumped by the way accidentals work.  
Several posts deal with this subject, but probably are beyond a  
novice's ability to undertand.


I'm transcribing a modern piece with 2 flats in the key  
signature (I've set \key g \minor). It's rather atonal, though,  
so it seems Lilypond tries to correct pitch by turning every e- 
flat and b-flat into a natural.


What code do I use to override this? The printed result should  
have only 4 accidentals. Right now there are 37, and of course  
the pitches are all off.


What do I put where in what part of the code? I can send my  
page code, if it would be helpful.


Thanks in advance!
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how to remove \RemoveEmptyStaffContext up the chain?

2009-08-25 Thread Kieren MacMillan

Hello all,

I've got a situation where one of my \include files contains a  
\layout { \context { \RemoveEmptyStaffContext } }.


99% of the time, I want this to happen. However, in a few  
circumstances — especially when engraving/editing, but also for a few  
specific pieces in final form — I want all of the functionality of  
that \include file *except* the \RESC. Is there some way I can do  
that from the main file (i.e., where the \include is called)? I'd  
rather not have to define two different files (one with \RESC and one  
without)...


Thanks,
Kieren.

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Re: Accidentals: Unwanted naturals

2009-08-25 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 08:46:59AM -0500, Tim McNamara wrote:

 For the developers, I think that something is confusing here for English 
 speakers:  the use of -es and -is for flatted and sharped notes as the 
 default.  I was initially bewildered by this, not knowing that the 
 default conventions are Dutch.

Well, the sentence immediately after the introduction of
is/es/isis/eses says This syntax is derived from note naming
conventions in Nordic and Germanic languages, like German and
Dutch.
(although that might have changed after you started using it)

 If the user is new to music in general then they have set themselves a 
 daunting task trying to score music with LilyPond.  There is no way for 
 the documentation to make up for the user's lack of knowledge about the 
 structure of music.

Actually, in some ways there is -- the music glossary.  And those
links are at the top of every section in the Learning manual!

So I'd say this: if somebody is new to music in general, doesn't
read the Learning manual carefully, and doesn't read about
unfamiliar terms in the music glossary, then they'll have a very
daunting task.

Cheers,
- Graham


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Re: Accidentals: Unwanted naturals

2009-08-25 Thread Graham Percival
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:05:45AM -0400, Leonardo Herrera wrote:
 I do have a suggestion: I would add two examples to the section that
 shows this clearly.

How is that more clear than:


In this example:

\key d \major
d cis fis

No note has a printed accidental, but you must still add is and
type cis and fis in the input file.

The code b does not mean “print a black dot just on the middle
line of the staff.” Rather, it means “there is a note with pitch
B-natural.” In the key of A-flat major, it does get an accidental:

\key aes \major
b

If the above seems confusing, consider this: if you were playing a
piano, which key would you hit? If you would press a black key,
then you must add -is or -es to the note name!
--


Really, all the info is already there.

Cheers,
- Graham


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Re: Accidentals: Unwanted naturals

2009-08-25 Thread Alexander Kobel

Graham Percival wrote:

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 08:46:59AM -0500, Tim McNamara wrote:
If the user is new to music in general then they have set themselves a 
daunting task trying to score music with LilyPond.  There is no way for 
the documentation to make up for the user's lack of knowledge about the 
structure of music.


Actually, in some ways there is -- the music glossary.  And those
links are at the top of every section in the Learning manual!


I think you're right here.

Nitpick: Shouldn't there be a see also: key signature in the music 
glossary 1.7 - accidental?



Cheers,
Alexander


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Re: Scheme function for ossia

2009-08-25 Thread Trevor Daniels


Jonathan Wilkes wrote Monday, August 24, 2009 6:34 PM


Another thing I noticed is that \type, 
\alias, \remove, and \name are 
not in Appendix F of the NR.


Index entries added in git.  They'll appear
in the Notation Reference in the next release.

Trevor



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Re: Scheme function for ossia

2009-08-25 Thread Kieren MacMillan

Hi Mats,

No! \alias does something completely different than you seem to  
beleive.


Just to complete this (dangling) thread, and make sure *I* know what  
it does...  =)


\context
{
  \name BAR
  \alias FOO
  ...
}

informs lilypond that the newly-defined context called BAR should  
accept any commands (\override, etc.) that are accepted by the  
previously-defined context named FOO. However, none of the  
\accepts, \removes, \overrides, \sets, etc. from the definition of  
FOO are carried over automatically.


Correct?

Thanks,
Kieren.


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Rhythm

2009-08-25 Thread Christian Henning
Hi there, I cannot figure out how to encode a 16th note rhythm. When
counting by mouth I would say: 1and 2and 3and 4and when all notes
are taking part. In lilypond I would write: g16 g g g g16 g g g g16 g
g g g16 g g g. But how do I: 1ad 2ad 3ad 4ad? Please notice I leave
out the n.

Thanks,
Christian


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Re: Rhythm

2009-08-25 Thread Andrew Hawryluk
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 8:27 PM, Christian Henningchhenn...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi there, I cannot figure out how to encode a 16th note rhythm. When
 counting by mouth I would say: 1and 2and 3and 4and when all notes
 are taking part. In lilypond I would write: g16 g g g g16 g g g g16 g
 g g g16 g g g. But how do I: 1ad 2ad 3ad 4ad? Please notice I leave
 out the n.

 Thanks,
 Christian

Do you mean g16 g8 g16, repeated four times?
Or maybe g16 g r g to get a rest instead of an eight note.

You may find this helpful, if you haven't seen it already:
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.12/Documentation/user/lilypond-learning/Simple-notation#Simple-notation

Good luck,
Andrew


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Re: Rhythm

2009-08-25 Thread Tim McNamara


On Aug 25, 2009, at 9:27 PM, Christian Henning wrote:


Hi there, I cannot figure out how to encode a 16th note rhythm. When
counting by mouth I would say: 1and 2and 3and 4and when all notes
are taking part. In lilypond I would write: g16 g g g g16 g g g g16 g
g g g16 g g g. But how do I: 1ad 2ad 3ad 4ad? Please notice I leave
out the n.


It's not clear what you are asking.  16th notes would just be 16th  
notes and your code would produce 16 16th notes correctly (you'd only  
need a g16 once at the beginning, although I think it is more  
sensible for every note to have the duration specified, so I would  
write 16 g16 notes.


I don't understand what you are trying to accomplish with 1ad 2ad  
3ad 4ad with or without the n in and.  Especially since 1 and 2  
and 3 and 4 and would usually suggest 8th notes rather than 16th notes.



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