lilypond blog

[Gianmaria Lari]

I would like to follow the lilypond blog by email and tried to subscribe to
it at this page

http://lilypondblog.org/follow-by-email/


... but there is no form where I can enter my data. I tried with chrome and
IE.

Do you know about this issue?
Thank you, g.
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Re: Lilypond blog (alternativeRestores)

[Flaming Hakama by Elaine]

%{

>From http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/changes-big-page.html

Context properties named in the ‘alternativeRestores’ property are restored
to their value at the start of the first alternative in all subsequent
alternatives.
Currently the default set restores ‘current meter’, ‘measure position’ and
‘chord changes’


Question:  what aspects of chord changes revert?

I can't tell from the example what is being affected.
There is a chordChanges setting in the example,
but the output seems to be the same if you omit that.

What is the use case for this?
I could come up with a mwe if I knew what was intended.

%}

\version "2.19.63"

<<
  \new ChordNames {
% Is this the setting that is being reverted?
\set chordChanges = ##t
\chordmode { c1:m d:m c:m d:m }
  }
  \new Staff {
  \mark "With setting"
\repeat volta 2 { \chordmode { c1:m } }
\alternative {
  { \chordmode { d:m } }
  { \chordmode { c:m } }
}
  \chordmode { d:m }
}
>>

<<
  \new ChordNames {
% Omit the setting to see what changed, if anything
%\set chordChanges = ##t
\chordmode { c1:m d:m c:m d:m }
  }
  \new Staff {
  \mark "No setting"
\repeat volta 2 { \chordmode { c1:m } }
\alternative {
  { \chordmode { d:m } }
  { \chordmode { c:m } }
}
  \chordmode { d:m }
}
>>



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Re: LilyPond blog

[Flaming Hakama by Elaine]

> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Urs Liska <li...@openlilylib.org>
> To: lilypond-user@gnu.org
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 23:31:25 +0100
> Subject: Re: LilyPond blog
>
> Hi David,
>
> Am 31.10.2017 um 23:07 schrieb Flaming Hakama by Elaine:
>
>
> From: Urs Liska <li...@openlilylib.org>
>> To: lilypond-user <lilypond-user@gnu.org>
>> Subject: LilyPond blog
>>
>> "Scores of Beauty" (http://lilypondblog.org) is LIlypond's semi-official
>> community blog, ...I urgently suggest that people decide to contribute to
>> it, and in particular I would be happy if someone could step up and take
>> over some editorial responsibility.
>
> ...
>
>>
>> Best
>> Urs
>>
>
>
> Having volunteered for this, I figured I could try a stab at writing a
> preliminary "what's new in 2.20" type of post in advance of the release.
>
>
> That sounds good. We'll have to see how that plays out and whether it will
> be good to publish that *before* the release or rather *write* it
> beforehand and publish it immediately after a release. My gut feeling says
> the latter would be better, but if you have a good idea how to "package"
> such a text I'm open for anything.
>
>
> What is the best way to find out what has been accomplished since 2.18?
>
>
> What you will probably want is http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/
> Documentation/changes-big-page.htm
> <http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/changes-big-page.html>
>
>

Towards this end, I read through the contents of this page and attempted to
summarize it.  I'd like to see if anyone had any constructive feedback on
this approach for the blog post.

My intention was to write to an audience which is not necessarily famililar
with Lilypond;  anyone who is already familiar with Lilypond should
probably just read this exising page.  So, I avoided mentioning specific
lilypond function names, and tried to recast features in terms of benefits.

I imagine that an appropriate categorization would be one that allows for
coherent follow-up blog posts for each area.  Some features could be listed
in several categories.

However, I have question about the purpose of some of the features,
regarding what the feature allows you to do / do easier / do better?  These
questions are marked in the list with a ? instead of *.

I will follow up with specific questions about each one.  But, please jump
in if you have a quick explanation for any of these, or point me where to
RTFM.

Thanks.



Improvements in Lilypond 2.20

Improvements in musical input syntax

* French note names are now supported
* Simplified syntax for entering repeated pitches, by using only durations
* Rules for accidentals can now be applied across choir staves, with
additional rules for choir staves
* Easier to revert meter and measure position changes used in volta
alternatives, among other context properties.
  ? What does the chord change reversion look like or do?
* Simpler way to construct beaming exceptions
* Clearer naming rules for pitches that have "sharp" or "flat" in their
name, which now requires hyphenation
? The thin-kern property of the BarLine grob has been renamed to segno-kern.
? \chordmode can now use < > and << >> constructs.

Improvements in musical structure

* Ability to use lyrics in arbitrary contexts like Staves, not just voices
* Both \lyricsto and \addlyrics commands now accept the same kind of
arguments as \lyrics and \chords
* A new flexible template suitable for a range of choral music, is now
provided.
* It is now possible to change the time signature mid-measure
? Improvements to the \partial command have been made when used with
parallel music and/or multiple contexts.
* Individual slurs and phrasing slurs may now be started from an explicit
note within a chord.
* Ability to distinguish simultaneous slurs and phrasing slurs
* KeyCancellation grobs now ignore cue clefs (like KeySignature grobs do).
* Ability to manage groups of tags for conditional include of content

Improvements in visual output of music

* Four new clef glyphs: double G clef, tenor G clef, variable clef and an
alternate percussion clef.
* Multi-measure rests now have length according to their total duration
* The positioning of tuplet numbers has been improved for kneed beams
without brackets by being positioned closer to the beam, and shifted
horizontally if the number is too close to an adjoining objects
* Fine-tuned control over the ends of hairpins
* Fine-tuned control over the shape, style and slope of tremolo slashes
* Support for Frenching even the first page of scores
* Ability to scale spacing at the Staff level
* Ability to scale stems, beams, and horizontal spacing, without changing
the staff size
? Ability to override the text prop

Re: LilyPond blog

[Urs Liska]

Hi David,


Am 31.10.2017 um 23:07 schrieb Flaming Hakama by Elaine:


From: Urs Liska <li...@openlilylib.org <mailto:li...@openlilylib.org>>
To: lilypond-user <lilypond-user@gnu.org
<mailto:lilypond-user@gnu.org>>
    Subject: LilyPond blog

"Scores of Beauty" (http://lilypondblog.org) is LIlypond's
semi-official community blog, ...I urgently suggest that people
decide to contribute to it, and in particular I would be happy if
someone could step up and take over some editorial responsibility. 


...


Best
Urs



Having volunteered for this, I figured I could try a stab at writing a 
preliminary "what's new in 2.20" type of post in advance of the release.


That sounds good. We'll have to see how that plays out and whether it 
will be good to publish that *before* the release or rather *write* it 
beforehand and publish it immediately after a release. My gut feeling 
says the latter would be better, but if you have a good idea how to 
"package" such a text I'm open for anything.




What is the best way to find out what has been accomplished since 2.18?


What you will probably want is 
http://lilypond.org/doc/v2.19/Documentation/changes-big-page.html
which lists the changes between the latest 2.19 release and 2.18 from a 
larger high perspective, i.e. when the developers found it suitable to 
explicitly mention a change in the change log.

This is  probably what people want to know.



I do have access to the issue tracker 
https://sourceforge.net/p/testlilyissues/issues/


But I'm not sure how it is organized.  Perhaps the new release 
consists of the 42 issues tagged as "Open (Patch)"?


Or, would I need to look for issues that are closed, status fixed, and 
anything newer than the date of the 2.18 release?


*Actually* what you need is status "verified", and using
   status:Verified labels:Fixed_2_19
as filter will give you all the issues that have successfully been 
closed in the 2.19 line.
But this shows 3721 results and is pretty fine-grained and not much more 
manageable than the Git log that Karlin referred to. *If* you want to 
inspect that path (or at least start with it to get an idea about it) 
you will notice the relation between the git log and the issue list - as 
it is commonly expected that commit messages include references (usually 
already in the title) to an issue tracker item.


But as I said, for the purpose of a "consumer-level" article about the 
improvements the changes document is probably the appropriate reference.


Best
Urs





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Re: LilyPond blog

[Karlin High]

On 10/31/2017 5:07 PM, Flaming Hakama by Elaine wrote:

What is the best way to find out what has been accomplished since 2.18?


This might be useful:

https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/lilypond.git/log/

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Re: LilyPond blog

[Flaming Hakama by Elaine]

> From: Urs Liska <li...@openlilylib.org>
> To: lilypond-user <lilypond-user@gnu.org>
> Subject: LilyPond blog
>
> "Scores of Beauty" (http://lilypondblog.org) is LIlypond's semi-official
> community blog, ...I urgently suggest that people decide to contribute to
> it, and in particular I would be happy if someone could step up and take
> over some editorial responsibility.

...

>
> Best
> Urs
>


Having volunteered for this, I figured I could try a stab at writing a
preliminary "what's new in 2.20" type of post in advance of the release.

What is the best way to find out what has been accomplished since 2.18?

I do have access to the issue tracker
https://sourceforge.net/p/testlilyissues/issues/

But I'm not sure how it is organized.  Perhaps the new release consists of
the 42 issues tagged as "Open (Patch)"?

Or, would I need to look for issues that are closed, status fixed, and
anything newer than the date of the 2.18 release?



Thanks,

David Elaine Alt
415 . 341 .4954   "*Confusion is
highly underrated*"
ela...@flaminghakama.com
self-immolation.info
skype: flaming_hakama
Producer ~ Composer ~ Instrumentalist
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Re: LilyPond blog

[Urs Liska]

Hi Joram,


Am 17.10.2017 um 22:07 schrieb Noeck:

Hi Urs,

I would not be so pessimistic.


I'd be happy to be proven wrong, but my experience with this and many 
other comparable things made me feel that way ...



The reactions here tell me that there are
potential contributors – some existing contributors reminded and perhaps
some new. It might be not enough in the long run, but I think we'll only
know if we try.

Personally, I have ca. 3 articles in the pipeline but only a small
amount of time. I think I could have the first one ready in 4 weeks and
the next over Christmas.

Is there a place to discuss this further (like which articles would be
appreciated [perhaps someone has an idea but no time and another one
would like to write about it], list some topics, agree on some order of
publishing)?


I'd say there are three options, depending on context:
- general questions can very well be discussed here on the lilypond-user 
list

- it's always possible to talk directly to Paul Morris and/or me
- depending on the topic it may be interesting to reach out for specific 
people who may be interested in that topic as well.




Are you still available to register new users or who would do that?


I didn't say I'm throwing the towel and drop my (admin) account. I'll be 
happy to discuss posts with contributors and give any required technical 
assistance, it's just that I won't pick up writing lots of posts or 
recruiting contributors anytime soon. Publishing order is usually a 
pretty pragmatic thing that doesn't need much discussion - if there's 
something available to publish we'll do so. Occasionally there's too 
much to handle at once, but even then it's pretty trivial to deal with - 
once there *is* some content.
Technically the blog is hosted by Paul Morris, and the domain is 
(still?) owned by Janek Warchoł.


Best
Urs




Cheers,
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Re: LilyPond blog

[Noeck]

Hi Urs,

I would not be so pessimistic. The reactions here tell me that there are
potential contributors – some existing contributors reminded and perhaps
some new. It might be not enough in the long run, but I think we'll only
know if we try.

Personally, I have ca. 3 articles in the pipeline but only a small
amount of time. I think I could have the first one ready in 4 weeks and
the next over Christmas.

Is there a place to discuss this further (like which articles would be
appreciated [perhaps someone has an idea but no time and another one
would like to write about it], list some topics, agree on some order of
publishing)?

Are you still available to register new users or who would do that?


Cheers,
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Re: LilyPond blog

[Urs Liska]

Am 17.10.2017 um 04:15 schrieb Karlin High:

How about a regular feature like "Last Month in LilyPond?" Sometimes I
lose track of what's all happened in the development version, and why
it matters.

Am 17.10.2017 um 07:49 schrieb Jan-Peter Voigt:

Hi Karlin,

yes, such a periodic series of posts would be nice! 


Indeed. Other than doing it on a monthly basis we could also have a 
series of posts for each  new release.
I think this could either be written by a developer who is actually 
involved in following how the repository emerges - or maybe even better 
by an interested user. It shouldn't be that hard to learn making sense 
of logs like this: http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/lilypond.git/log/ 
toghether with some handholding from the developers.



Would you like to write such posts? Anyone else?
If there is activity on the blog we will find someone to maintain it.


That's only partially true, unfortunately. The main task of a 
"maintainer" is to actually recruit such activity. One option is to 
continually write posts, which I had done for quite some time. (Maybe 
that even kept some potential contributors away, I don't know.) But for 
the nature of this blog (and probably also for the community itself) it 
would be much better to have a number of regular plus numerous 
occasional (and even one-time) contributors. But to get people to 
contribute requires more or less permanent attention, and without at 
least one person taking over some responsibility (better two or three 
but rather not more) it will probably just not work.


Best
Urs



Jan-Peter

Am 17.10.2017 um 04:15 schrieb Karlin High:

How about a regular feature like "Last Month in LilyPond?" Sometimes I
lose track of what's all happened in the development version, and why
it matters.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Urs Liska  
wrote:

Hi all,

"Scores of Beauty" (http://lilypondblog.org) is LIlypond's 
semi-official
community blog, not my personal publicity platform. Therefore I'm 
not happy
to see that withdrawing from actual activity on my side seems to 
result in

basically a total mute of the blog.

I don't see how I will get back to keeping the blog alive in the near
future, so I'd like to raise everyone's attention to the value of 
having
such a blog. I urgently suggest that people decide to contribute to 
it, and
in particular I would be happy if someone could step up and take 
over some
editorial responsibility. It's not *that* much actual investment of 
time but

rather a spirit of commitment that is necessary.

I'd be happy about anyone getting in touch with me and Paul Morris 
about

maintaining the blog.

Best
Urs


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Re: LilyPond blog

[Jan-Peter Voigt]

Hi Karlin,

yes, such a periodic series of posts would be nice! Would you like to 
write such posts? Anyone else?

If there is activity on the blog we will find someone to maintain it.

Jan-Peter

Am 17.10.2017 um 04:15 schrieb Karlin High:

How about a regular feature like "Last Month in LilyPond?" Sometimes I
lose track of what's all happened in the development version, and why
it matters.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Urs Liska  wrote:

Hi all,

"Scores of Beauty" (http://lilypondblog.org) is LIlypond's semi-official
community blog, not my personal publicity platform. Therefore I'm not happy
to see that withdrawing from actual activity on my side seems to result in
basically a total mute of the blog.

I don't see how I will get back to keeping the blog alive in the near
future, so I'd like to raise everyone's attention to the value of having
such a blog. I urgently suggest that people decide to contribute to it, and
in particular I would be happy if someone could step up and take over some
editorial responsibility. It's not *that* much actual investment of time but
rather a spirit of commitment that is necessary.

I'd be happy about anyone getting in touch with me and Paul Morris about
maintaining the blog.

Best
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Re: LilyPond blog

[Karlin High]

How about a regular feature like "Last Month in LilyPond?" Sometimes I
lose track of what's all happened in the development version, and why
it matters.

On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 5:26 PM, Urs Liska  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> "Scores of Beauty" (http://lilypondblog.org) is LIlypond's semi-official
> community blog, not my personal publicity platform. Therefore I'm not happy
> to see that withdrawing from actual activity on my side seems to result in
> basically a total mute of the blog.
>
> I don't see how I will get back to keeping the blog alive in the near
> future, so I'd like to raise everyone's attention to the value of having
> such a blog. I urgently suggest that people decide to contribute to it, and
> in particular I would be happy if someone could step up and take over some
> editorial responsibility. It's not *that* much actual investment of time but
> rather a spirit of commitment that is necessary.
>
> I'd be happy about anyone getting in touch with me and Paul Morris about
> maintaining the blog.
>
> Best
> Urs
>
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LilyPond blog

[Urs Liska]

Hi all,

"Scores of Beauty" (http://lilypondblog.org) is LIlypond's semi-official 
community blog, not my personal publicity platform. Therefore I'm not 
happy to see that withdrawing from actual activity on my side seems to 
result in basically a total mute of the blog.


I don't see how I will get back to keeping the blog alive in the near 
future, so I'd like to raise everyone's attention to the value of having 
such a blog. I urgently suggest that people decide to contribute to it, 
and in particular I would be happy if someone could step up and take 
over some editorial responsibility. It's not *that* much actual 
investment of time but rather a spirit of commitment that is necessary.


I'd be happy about anyone getting in touch with me and Paul Morris about 
maintaining the blog.


Best
Urs


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Re: musicxml2ly introduction (Fwd: New LilyPond blog message from Luis)

[Richard Shann]

There is MusicXML import into Denemo which then generates LilyPond. This
used to be hopelessly broken, but now it always generates the bare bones
of the score (AFAIK). That would give an route not needing command line
expertise.

Richard


On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 00:06 +0100, Urs Liska wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I just got the call for help at the end of this message.
 
 What would be the best advise/pointer/introduction to give someone
 interested in migrating from Finale to LilyPond?
 A quick glance seems to confirm that the relevant sections of the
 Usage Manual aren't exactly inviting to someone having experience
 neither with text input nor the command line.
 
 Best
 Urs
 
 
  Original-Nachricht  
   Betreff: 
 New LilyPond blog message from Luis
 Datum: 
 Sun, 3 Nov 2013 22:52:03 +
   Von: 
 LilyPond blog contact form
 cont...@lilypondblog.org
Antwort an: 
 luismiguelar...@gmail.com
An: 
 blogcont...@openlilylib.org
 
 
 
 
 From: Luis Araya (luismiguelar...@gmail.com)
 
 Message:
 
 I am interested in migrating from finale to lilypond but I would like
 to know how to open XML files into lilypond. The instructions at the
 lilypond.com website about using the command-line apps are very
 confusing, partly because I have never used the terminal before (mac
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Re: musicxml2ly introduction (Fwd: New LilyPond blog message from Luis)

[Shane Brandes]

Hi all,

 I sent Luis an explanation yesterday. He managed to not run it from
the command line, but he left a space in the file name so it looked
like an invocation with a switch included. He has been advised to
remove the space from his file name. Hopefully that will get him
going. If not it is because there is some issue with the bash not
noticing musicxml2ly exists. Which is out of my ability to assist
because he is in Apple world and I do not know exactly how similar
that is to linux world for command line things.

Shane

On Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 3:33 AM, Richard Shann rich...@rshann.plus.com wrote:
 There is MusicXML import into Denemo which then generates LilyPond. This
 used to be hopelessly broken, but now it always generates the bare bones
 of the score (AFAIK). That would give an route not needing command line
 expertise.

 Richard


 On Mon, 2013-11-04 at 00:06 +0100, Urs Liska wrote:
 Hi,

 I just got the call for help at the end of this message.

 What would be the best advise/pointer/introduction to give someone
 interested in migrating from Finale to LilyPond?
 A quick glance seems to confirm that the relevant sections of the
 Usage Manual aren't exactly inviting to someone having experience
 neither with text input nor the command line.

 Best
 Urs


  Original-Nachricht 
   Betreff:
 New LilyPond blog message from Luis
 Datum:
 Sun, 3 Nov 2013 22:52:03 +
   Von:
 LilyPond blog contact form
 cont...@lilypondblog.org
Antwort an:
 luismiguelar...@gmail.com
An:
 blogcont...@openlilylib.org




 From: Luis Araya (luismiguelar...@gmail.com)

 Message:

 I am interested in migrating from finale to lilypond but I would like
 to know how to open XML files into lilypond. The instructions at the
 lilypond.com website about using the command-line apps are very
 confusing, partly because I have never used the terminal before (mac
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musicxml2ly introduction (Fwd: New LilyPond blog message from Luis)

[Urs Liska]

Hi,

I just got the call for help at the end of this message.

What would be the best advise/pointer/introduction to give someone 
interested in migrating from Finale to LilyPond?
A quick glance seems to confirm that the relevant sections of the Usage 
Manual aren't exactly inviting to someone having experience neither with 
text input nor the command line.


Best
Urs


 Original-Nachricht 
Betreff:New LilyPond blog message from Luis
Datum:  Sun, 3 Nov 2013 22:52:03 +
Von:LilyPond blog contact form cont...@lilypondblog.org
Antwort an: luismiguelar...@gmail.com
An: blogcont...@openlilylib.org



From: Luis Araya (luismiguelar...@gmail.com)

Message:

I am interested in migrating from finale to lilypond but I would like to 
know how to open XML files into lilypond. The instructions at the 
lilypond.com website about using the command-line apps are very 
confusing, partly because I have never used the terminal before (mac 
user). Please help!!!




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The problem is that any solution uses the Terminal: the command itself, or
the installation of Frescobaldi (no fixed, even for the last OS X release).

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I don't think the OP would insist on not using the command line. He is just 
completely confused and would need a helping hand.

Isn't there an installer for Mac by now? Or did I get something wrong there?



flup2 phili...@philmassart.net schrieb:
The problem is that any solution uses the Terminal: the command itself,
or
the installation of Frescobaldi (no fixed, even for the last OS X
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Re: musicxml2ly introduction (Fwd: New LilyPond blog message from Luis)

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Yes, using the Macports package distribution system. Perhaps could you send
me his mail in order to make step by step instructions. The instructions
posted on Frescoabaldi website are OK with some command line knowledge.
Macport isn't completely easy, but is more straightforward once installed.

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Re: LilyPond blog has new home!

[Janek Warchoł]

Hi,

2013/7/10 Karl Hammar k...@aspodata.se:
 David:
 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes:

  Hi all,
 
  i managed to get internet connection for a moment.
 
  2013/7/7 Karl Hammar k...@aspodata.se:
  Urs:
  Would you mind writing the same as a comment to the original post
  on the blog? That would be nice.
 
  I'm not found of forums, mostly since I'm using a dialled up
  connection.
 
  I'm not sure if i understand: is posting comments on the blog too
  bandwidth-expensive for you?

 More like time-expensive, I'd guess.  Mailing lists and Usenet can be
 fetched and sent batched.  Web interfaces require you to be online.  And
 if online-time is billed by the minute...

 Correct.

Ok, i understand now.
However, you could also write the comment offline and then connect
just to send it - i've been doing things like that all the time, for
example write some messages offline when i travel by bus, and when i'm
back online i paste them into the webform and send.

  I would really like the blog to become more 'alive'.  Comments like
  the one you've made are excellent and i would *very much* like to have
  them on the blog (copying-and-pasting them by us wouldn't make sense,
  because it would look unauthentic).

 I might venture a guess that Karl would not mind looking unauthentic if
 he does not have to fight his way through a web interface...

 (I don't understand your first line.)
 Yes, I wery much prefer my own editor.

By I would really like the blog to become more 'alive' i mean that i
want many people to contribute to the blog, to see many comments
appear.

I have no idea what i could do to make the web interface more
user-friendly...  Copying and pasting from your own editor seems to be
the way to do this.

best wishes, and - above all - many thanks for your insightful comments :)
Janek

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Re: LilyPond blog has new home!

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Am 10.07.2013 11:26, schrieb Urs Liska:

Hey, this work looks fantastic.

I would really love to include that in my reply post which now looks 
like http://lilypondblog.org/?p=830preview=1_ppp=e3bfee8403
I have elaborated on how easy it is to recreate one example with 
LilyPond and speculated a bit how one could generate a complete set of 
patterns with one function call.


_Please_ have a look at the passage after the score example and think 
about tweaking your work so it can be used for that purpose. I think 
it would be an absolute killer if we could prove we can re-generate 
dozens or hundreds of pages of these books with a few dozens of lines 
of LilyPond code!!!


(See also 
http://davidaldridge.wordpress.com/2013/04/18/finale-music-and-the-elements-of-rhythm-vols-i-ii-cyber-ink-on-steroids/
and 
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/178-1995663-2572616?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=aldridge+elements+of+rhythm


Urs

PS: One point which could prove difficult is the beaming issue


FYI: This is what I came up with after ca. one hour of Python 
programming (a neat Frescobaldi snippet):

http://lilypondblog.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/building-blocks-start.pdf
The only things that have to be done are the number markups below the 
staff (easy) and the time signatures:

a) repeat them on each new staff
b) automatically use timeSignatureFractions corresponding to the used 
\shiftDurations


Any ideas welcome
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Re: LilyPond blog has new home!

[Karl Hammar]

David Kastrup:
 k...@aspodata.se (Karl Hammar) writes:
 
  If you look at:
 
   http://downloads2.makemusic.com/blog/elementsv1-p221.pdf 
 
  from his Binary Theory and Creation of the Fundamental Rhythm
  Patterns, you'll see that the table is simply a 
 
   pattern = 0x00E0; // where each bit '1' is 64th note, '0' 64 pause
 
   while ( pattern  0xFF ) {
print_top7bits(pattern);
print_byte(pattern);
pattern++;
print_byte(pattern);
pattern++;
next_line();
   }
 
   make_box();
 
  How hard would that to do in lilypond ?
 
 Well, obviously pretty easy once you have print_byte and their ilk.
 Without any such helper functions, something like

In the file attached to Davids mail:

\new RhythmicStaff \with { \omit TimeSignature }
{ \time 1/8
  #@(map (lambda (s) #{ [ #@s s64] | #@s r64 | #@s c'64 \break #})
 (map (lambda (pattern)
(map (lambda (bit)
   (if (logbit? bit pattern)
   #{ c'64 #}
   #{ r64 #}))
 (iota 7 7 -1)))
  (iota 16 224 2)))
}


That was all too easy

Here is the next version (with barnumber used as exercise no.,
and maybe one should group beams four notes a time):

///
\paper {
  indent = 0 \mm
}

#(set-global-staff-size 16) % for A4 at least

\new RhythmicStaff \with { \omit TimeSignature }
{
  \time 3/8
  \set Score.barNumberVisibility = #all-bar-numbers-visible
  \bar 
  #@(map (lambda (s) #{ [ #@s s64] \bar | [ #@s r64] \bar | [ #@s 
c'64] \break #})
 (map (lambda (pattern)
(map (lambda (bit)
   (if (logbit? bit pattern)
   #{ c'64 #}
   #{ r64 #}))
 (iota 7 7 -1)))
  (iota 16 224 2)))
}
///

  Maybe I will find time to expand this multiple pages...

  It seems that

#(define (byteToPfx byte)
 (map (lambda (bit)
  (if (logbit? bit byte) #{ c'64 #} #{ r64 #}))
  (iota 8 7 -1)))

#@(byteToPfx 34) c'64

  (Is lilypond-mode up to standard indenting thoose things?)
  is just producing side effects and to be able to return a music
  expression, I have to use define-music-function, is it so ?

#(define (showByte  byte) (display byte)(newline))
#(showByte 224)

  works as expected, but for byteToPfx I have to use #@, so is
  returning something, but what is it returning?

Regards,
/Karl Hammar

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Re: LilyPond blog has new home!

[David Kastrup]

k...@aspodata.se (Karl Hammar) writes:

   (Is lilypond-mode up to standard indenting thoose things?)

No.  I make do by switching to scheme-mode, indenting, and then
switching back to LilyPond-mode.

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k...@aspodata.se (Karl Hammar) writes:

   It seems that

 #(define (byteToPfx byte)
  (map (lambda (bit)
   (if (logbit? bit byte) #{ c'64 #} #{ r64 #}))
   (iota 8 7 -1)))

 #@(byteToPfx 34) c'64

   (Is lilypond-mode up to standard indenting thoose things?)
   is just producing side effects and to be able to return a music
   expression, I have to use define-music-function, is it so ?

 #(define (showByte  byte) (display byte)(newline))
 #(showByte 224)

   works as expected, but for byteToPfx I have to use #@, so is
   returning something, but what is it returning?

A list of music expressions.  Which is not the same as music.  If you
want to pass the result through a music function, you can wrap
it with

(make-sequential-music ...)

and could unwrap it again (in case you need the single expressions) using

(ly:music-property ... 'elements)

At the current point of time, there is no such thing as multi-valued
music functions.

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Re: LilyPond blog has new home!

[Urs Liska]

Hey, this work looks fantastic.

I would really love to include that in my reply post which now looks 
like http://lilypondblog.org/?p=830preview=1_ppp=e3bfee8403
I have elaborated on how easy it is to recreate one example with 
LilyPond and speculated a bit how one could generate a complete set of 
patterns with one function call.


_Please_ have a look at the passage after the score example and think 
about tweaking your work so it can be used for that purpose. I think it 
would be an absolute killer if we could prove we can re-generate dozens 
or hundreds of pages of these books with a few dozens of lines of 
LilyPond code!!!


(See also 
http://davidaldridge.wordpress.com/2013/04/18/finale-music-and-the-elements-of-rhythm-vols-i-ii-cyber-ink-on-steroids/
and 
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss/178-1995663-2572616?url=search-alias%3Dapsfield-keywords=aldridge+elements+of+rhythm


Urs

PS: One point which could prove difficult is the beaming issue

Am 10.07.2013 11:07, schrieb Karl Hammar:

David Kastrup:

k...@aspodata.se (Karl Hammar) writes:


If you look at:

  http://downloads2.makemusic.com/blog/elementsv1-p221.pdf 

from his Binary Theory and Creation of the Fundamental Rhythm
Patterns, you'll see that the table is simply a

  pattern = 0x00E0; // where each bit '1' is 64th note, '0' 64 pause

  while ( pattern  0xFF ) {
   print_top7bits(pattern);
   print_byte(pattern);
   pattern++;
   print_byte(pattern);
   pattern++;
   next_line();
  }

  make_box();

How hard would that to do in lilypond ?

Well, obviously pretty easy once you have print_byte and their ilk.
Without any such helper functions, something like

In the file attached to Davids mail:

\new RhythmicStaff \with { \omit TimeSignature }
{ \time 1/8
   #@(map (lambda (s) #{ [ #@s s64] | #@s r64 | #@s c'64 \break #})
 (map (lambda (pattern)
(map (lambda (bit)
   (if (logbit? bit pattern)
   #{ c'64 #}
   #{ r64 #}))
 (iota 7 7 -1)))
  (iota 16 224 2)))
}


That was all too easy

Here is the next version (with barnumber used as exercise no.,
and maybe one should group beams four notes a time):

///
\paper {
   indent = 0 \mm
}

#(set-global-staff-size 16) % for A4 at least

\new RhythmicStaff \with { \omit TimeSignature }
{
   \time 3/8
   \set Score.barNumberVisibility = #all-bar-numbers-visible
   \bar 
   #@(map (lambda (s) #{ [ #@s s64] \bar | [ #@s r64] \bar | [ #@s 
c'64] \break #})
 (map (lambda (pattern)
(map (lambda (bit)
   (if (logbit? bit pattern)
   #{ c'64 #}
   #{ r64 #}))
 (iota 7 7 -1)))
  (iota 16 224 2)))
}
///

   Maybe I will find time to expand this multiple pages...

   It seems that

#(define (byteToPfx byte)
  (map (lambda (bit)
   (if (logbit? bit byte) #{ c'64 #} #{ r64 #}))
   (iota 8 7 -1)))

#@(byteToPfx 34) c'64

   (Is lilypond-mode up to standard indenting thoose things?)
   is just producing side effects and to be able to return a music
   expression, I have to use define-music-function, is it so ?

#(define (showByte  byte) (display byte)(newline))
#(showByte 224)

   works as expected, but for byteToPfx I have to use #@, so is
   returning something, but what is it returning?

Regards,
/Karl Hammar

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Re: LilyPond blog has new home!

[Karl Hammar]

David:
 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes:
 
  Hi all,
 
  i managed to get internet connection for a moment.
 
  2013/7/7 Karl Hammar k...@aspodata.se:
  Urs:
  Would you mind writing the same as a comment to the original post
  on the blog? That would be nice.
 
  I'm not found of forums, mostly since I'm using a dialled up
  connection.
 
  I'm not sure if i understand: is posting comments on the blog too
  bandwidth-expensive for you?
 
 More like time-expensive, I'd guess.  Mailing lists and Usenet can be
 fetched and sent batched.  Web interfaces require you to be online.  And
 if online-time is billed by the minute...

Correct.

  I would really like the blog to become more 'alive'.  Comments like
  the one you've made are excellent and i would *very much* like to have
  them on the blog (copying-and-pasting them by us wouldn't make sense,
  because it would look unauthentic).
 
 I might venture a guess that Karl would not mind looking unauthentic if
 he does not have to fight his way through a web interface...

(I don't understand your first line.)
Yes, I wery much prefer my own editor.

Regards,
/Karl Hammar

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Re: LilyPond blog has new home!

[Urs Liska]

Am 07.07.2013 10:46, schrieb Karl Hammar:

Janek:


///

If you look at:

  http://downloads2.makemusic.com/blog/elementsv1-p221.pdf 

from his Binary Theory and Creation of the Fundamental Rhythm
Patterns, you'll see that the table is simply a

  pattern = 0x00E0; // where each bit '1' is 64th note, '0' 64 pause

  while ( pattern  0xFF ) {
   print_top7bits(pattern);
   print_byte(pattern);
   pattern++;
   print_byte(pattern);
   pattern++;
   next_line();
  }

  make_box();

How hard would that to do in lilypond ?
I'm not sure, but I would also consider writing a script/program to 
generate the necessary code. The author prints hundreds of examples, and 
he needs the patterns in different places of his books, so that might be 
the way to go.


///

If you look at his

  http://downloads2.makemusic.com/blog/elementsv2-p79.pdf

the exercise 19 and 20 are similar to the above,


I try to recreate ex. 19 with LilyPond and unfortunately it isn't that 
easy either :-(
If you look at the attached score you'll notice that the barlines don't 
align. Playing around with proportionalDurationNotation didn't help. Is 
it possible at all to achieve that? Maybe by somehow forcing the first 
notes of the systems to align (after the different time signatures)?
If that's not possible I have to fallback to using one single system 
with independent Timings. That would make alignment perfect, but I'd 
prefer to have both options.


Any ideas?

Urs

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Am 09.07.2013 11:41, schrieb Urs Liska:


If you look at the attached score

:-[
\version 2.16.2

\paper {
  % Remove the indentation of the first system
  indent = 0
  % Set the number of systems to prevent line breaks in the middle of a pattern
  system-count = 5
}

% Define the pattern.
% This could also be done using a Scheme function,
% but I want to keep it simple for this example.
pattern = { 
  c2[ r r c] r r r |
  c2[ r r c r r c] |
  c2[ r r c r c] r |
  c2[ r r c r c c] 
  \break
}

\new DrumStaff \drummode {
  % Turn stems upwards (cosmetic modification)
  \stemUp
  % Define number of staff lines
  \override Staff.StaffSymbol #'line-count = #1
  % Prevent reminder time signatures to be printed at the end of the staff
  \override Staff.TimeSignature #'break-visibility = #'#(#f #t #t)
  % Remove barnumbers (optionally)
  \override Score.BarNumber #'break-visibility = #'#(#f #f #f)
  % Set initial time signature
  \time 7/2
%  \set proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1 2)
  % Use the pattern
  \pattern
  % Set next time signature
  \time 7/4
%  \set proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1 4)
  % Use the pattern with modified durations
  \shiftDurations #1 #0 \pattern
  \time 7/8
%  \set proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1 8)
  \shiftDurations #2 #0 \pattern
  \time 7/16
%  \set proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1 16)
  \shiftDurations #3 #0 \pattern
  \time 7/32
%  \set proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1 32)
  \shiftDurations #4 #0 \pattern
}

%
%\score {
%  \new DrumStaff \drum
%  \layout { }
%}
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Re: LilyPond blog has new home!

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k...@aspodata.se (Karl Hammar) writes:

 If you look at:

  http://downloads2.makemusic.com/blog/elementsv1-p221.pdf 

 from his Binary Theory and Creation of the Fundamental Rhythm
 Patterns, you'll see that the table is simply a 

  pattern = 0x00E0; // where each bit '1' is 64th note, '0' 64 pause

  while ( pattern  0xFF ) {
   print_top7bits(pattern);
   print_byte(pattern);
   pattern++;
   print_byte(pattern);
   pattern++;
   next_line();
  }

  make_box();

 How hard would that to do in lilypond ?

Well, obviously pretty easy once you have print_byte and their ilk.
Without any such helper functions, something like

\new RhythmicStaff \with { \omit TimeSignature }
{ \time 1/8
  #@(map (lambda (s) #{ [ #@s s64] | #@s r64 | #@s c'64 \break #})
	 (map (lambda (pattern)
		(map (lambda (bit)
		   (if (logbit? bit pattern)
			   #{ c'64 #}
			   #{ r64 #}))
		 (iota 7 7 -1)))
	  (iota 16 224 2)))
}

would seem like a reasonable starting point.

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Re: LilyPond blog has new home!

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Am 09.07.2013 11:41, schrieb Urs Liska:

Am 07.07.2013 10:46, schrieb Karl Hammar:

Janek:


///

If you look at:

  http://downloads2.makemusic.com/blog/elementsv1-p221.pdf 

from his Binary Theory and Creation of the Fundamental Rhythm
Patterns, you'll see that the table is simply a

  pattern = 0x00E0; // where each bit '1' is 64th note, '0' 64 pause

  while ( pattern  0xFF ) {
   print_top7bits(pattern);
   print_byte(pattern);
   pattern++;
   print_byte(pattern);
   pattern++;
   next_line();
  }

  make_box();

How hard would that to do in lilypond ?
I'm not sure, but I would also consider writing a script/program to 
generate the necessary code. The author prints hundreds of examples, 
and he needs the patterns in different places of his books, so that 
might be the way to go.


///

If you look at his

  http://downloads2.makemusic.com/blog/elementsv2-p79.pdf

the exercise 19 and 20 are similar to the above,


I try to recreate ex. 19 with LilyPond and unfortunately it isn't that 
easy either :-(
If you look at the attached score you'll notice that the barlines 
don't align. Playing around with proportionalDurationNotation didn't 
help. Is it possible at all to achieve that? Maybe by somehow forcing 
the first notes of the systems to align (after the different time 
signatures)?
If that's not possible I have to fallback to using one single system 
with independent Timings. That would make alignment perfect, but I'd 
prefer to have both options.


Any ideas?

Urs


I now tried it the other way and am quite confused:
I managed to get everything lined up neatly, but I don't know where all 
those additional barlines come from (and don't get rid of them).

If I set Timing.defaultBarType = 

the barlines are right, but the system isn't justified to line-width 
anymore ...


Any help welcome.
Urs

\version 2.16.2

\paper {
  % Remove the indentation of the first system
  indent = 0
  ragged-last = #f
  % Set the number of systems to prevent line breaks in the middle of a pattern
}

% Define the pattern.
% This could also be done using a Scheme function,
% but I want to keep it simple for this example.
pattern = { 
  c2[ r r c] r r r |
  c2[ r r c r r c] |
  c2[ r r c r c] r |
  c2[ r r c r c c] 
}

I =  {
  % Turn stems upwards (cosmetic modification)
  \stemUp  
  % Set initial time signature
  \time 7/2
  %
  \scaleDurations 1/16
%  \set proportionalNotationDuration = #(ly:make-moment 1 2)
  % Use the pattern
  \pattern
}

II =  {
  \stemUp  
  \time 7/2
  \set DrumStaff.timeSignatureFraction = 7/4
  \shiftDurations #1 #0
  \scaleDurations 1/8
  \pattern
}

III =  {
  \stemUp  
  \time 7/2
  \set DrumStaff.timeSignatureFraction = 7/8
  \shiftDurations #2 #0
  \scaleDurations 1/4
  \pattern
}

IV =  {
  \stemUp  
  \time 7/2
  \set DrumStaff.timeSignatureFraction = 7/16
  \shiftDurations #3 #0
  \scaleDurations 1/2
  \pattern
}

V =  {
  \stemUp  
  \time 7/2
  \set DrumStaff.timeSignatureFraction = 7/32
  %\scaleDurations 1/4
  \shiftDurations #4 #0
  \pattern
}


\layout {
  \context {
\Score
\remove Timing_translator
% remove connecting line at system start
\override SystemStartBar #'stencil = ##f
  }
  \context {
\DrumStaff
  \consists Timing_translator
  \override StaffSymbol #'line-count = #1
  }
}

\score {
  
\new DrumStaff \drummode { \I }
\new DrumStaff \drummode { \II }
\new DrumStaff \drummode { \III }
\new DrumStaff \drummode { \IV }
\new DrumStaff \drummode { \V }
  
  \layout { }
}
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Am 09.07.2013 18:01, schrieb Urs Liska:



Urs


I now tried it the other way and am quite confused:
I managed to get everything lined up neatly, but I don't know where 
all those additional barlines come from (and don't get rid of them).

If I set Timing.defaultBarType = 

the barlines are right, but the system isn't justified to line-width 
anymore ...


Any help welcome.
Urs



I narrowed it down a bit:
The attached score works as it should, but when I move Timing_translator 
from Score to DrumStaff it seems to add a bar after each beat.


I find that strange...

Urs




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\version 2.17.18

\paper {
  indent = 0
}

pattern = { 
  c2[ r r c] r r r |
  c2[ r r c r r c] |
  c2[ r r c r c] r |
  c2[ r r c r c c] 
}

I =  {
  \time 7/2
  \pattern
}



\layout {
  \context {
\Score
%\remove Timing_translator
  }
  \context {
\DrumStaff
  %\consists Timing_translator
  \override StaffSymbol #'line-count = #1
  }
  
}

\score {
  
\new DrumStaff \drummode { \I }
  
  \layout { }
}
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Re: LilyPond blog has new home!

[Urs Liska]

Am 09.07.2013 18:18, schrieb Urs Liska:


I narrowed it down a bit:

I narrowed it down further: It is advantageous to read carefully :-[

From the manual:

\layout {
  \context {
\Score
\remove Timing_translator
\remove Default_bar_line_engraver
  }
  \context {
\Staff
\consists Timing_translator
\consists Default_bar_line_engraver
  }
}


Just add the Default_bar_line_engraver lines and everything works ...

Sorry for all the noise. But it may yield a nice result.

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Re: LilyPond blog has new home!

[David Kastrup]

Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes:

 Am 09.07.2013 18:01, schrieb Urs Liska:

 Urs

 I now tried it the other way and am quite confused:
 I managed to get everything lined up neatly, but I don't know where
 all those additional barlines come from (and don't get rid of them).
 If I set Timing.defaultBarType = 

 the barlines are right, but the system isn't justified to line-width
 anymore ...

 Any help welcome.
 Urs


 I narrowed it down a bit:
 The attached score works as it should, but when I move
 Timing_translator from Score to DrumStaff it seems to add a bar after
 each beat.

 I find that strange...

Well, you should probably move the Default_bar_line_engraver as well or
it will not be able to see the Timing it is supposed to dance to.

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Re: LilyPond blog has new home!

[Urs Liska]

Am 09.07.2013 18:28, schrieb David Kastrup:


I find that strange...
Well, you should probably move the Default_bar_line_engraver as well or
it will not be able to see the Timing it is supposed to dance to.


As I said: RTFM

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Re: LilyPond blog has new home!

[Janek Warchoł]

Hi all,

i managed to get internet connection for a moment.

2013/7/7 Karl Hammar k...@aspodata.se:
 Urs:
 Would you mind writing the same as a comment to the original post
 on the blog? That would be nice.

 I'm not found of forums, mostly since I'm using a dialled up
 connection.

I'm not sure if i understand: is posting comments on the blog too
bandwidth-expensive for you?
I would really like the blog to become more 'alive'.  Comments like
the one you've made are excellent and i would *very much* like to have
them on the blog (copying-and-pasting them by us wouldn't make sense,
because it would look unauthentic).

 And, to have some weight, the comment should actually implement what
 I showed in pseudocode.

Well, that would actually be enough for a whole post!  If Urs hadn't
already written one, i would insist that you did ;-)

thanks!!
Janek

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Re: LilyPond blog has new home!

[David Kastrup]

Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com writes:

 Hi all,

 i managed to get internet connection for a moment.

 2013/7/7 Karl Hammar k...@aspodata.se:
 Urs:
 Would you mind writing the same as a comment to the original post
 on the blog? That would be nice.

 I'm not found of forums, mostly since I'm using a dialled up
 connection.

 I'm not sure if i understand: is posting comments on the blog too
 bandwidth-expensive for you?

More like time-expensive, I'd guess.  Mailing lists and Usenet can be
fetched and sent batched.  Web interfaces require you to be online.  And
if online-time is billed by the minute...

 I would really like the blog to become more 'alive'.  Comments like
 the one you've made are excellent and i would *very much* like to have
 them on the blog (copying-and-pasting them by us wouldn't make sense,
 because it would look unauthentic).

I might venture a guess that Karl would not mind looking unauthentic if
he does not have to fight his way through a web interface...

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Re: LilyPond blog has new home!

[Karl Hammar]

Janek:
 So, how do you like the new location and graphic design?  I saw a lot
 of visitors after the announcement, but there were very few
 comments...

I'm fine with the new locataion and design.

///

In your Less blatant marketing, please? you seen to focus on the wrong thing:
In the finale blog, you could have picked up:

 The two books collectively consist of four basic layouts: 0/1
 combination tables (where 0 and 1 express silence and sound),
 rest/note combination tables, single staff music measures, and
 multi-staff music measures. The 0/1 tables were created in
 InDesign, the layout program where all the Finale files were
 eventually imported and placed as TIFF files. 

Can't indesign handle vector graphics, or why did he use tiff files
(bitmaps). This seem to be a flaw in his workflow.

 The single staff music measures were created to present the
 patterns generated in the combination tables. Each vertical
 measure line had to be aligned manually to create a symmetrical
 appearance on the page. The multi-staff music measures in Vol. II
 were created to present identical patterns written in different
 metric contexts (e.g., 4/2, 4/4, 4/8, 4/16, 4/32). 

had to be alignend manually, why was that nessesary ?
Is is the wrong tools, or did he not know how to use the tools?

///

If you look at:

 http://downloads2.makemusic.com/blog/elementsv1-p221.pdf 

from his Binary Theory and Creation of the Fundamental Rhythm
Patterns, you'll see that the table is simply a 

 pattern = 0x00E0; // where each bit '1' is 64th note, '0' 64 pause

 while ( pattern  0xFF ) {
  print_top7bits(pattern);
  print_byte(pattern);
  pattern++;
  print_byte(pattern);
  pattern++;
  next_line();
 }

 make_box();

How hard would that to do in lilypond ?

///

If you look at his

 http://downloads2.makemusic.com/blog/elementsv2-p79.pdf

the exercise 19 and 20 are similar to the above,

 a = 0x48;
 make_exercise( number, a ) {
  music = { \time 7/2 }
  add_measure( music, a )
  add_measure( music, ++a )
  add_measure( music, ++a )
  add_measure( music, ++a )
  \mark\markup { \box number }
  print_music(music);
 }

 make_exercise( 19, 0x48   );
 make_exercise( 20, 0x48+4 );

If the rest of his book is like that, it wouldn't seem unreasonable
that the exercises could be generated from just a modest set of
lilypond code.

///

And BTW, what is rhythm pattern theory ?

( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory :
 A theory is not the same as a hypothesis, as a theory is a 'proven'
 hypothesis, that, in other words, has never been disproved through
 experiment, and has a basis in fact.)

Regards,
/Karl Hammar

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Re: LilyPond blog has new home!

[Karl Hammar]

Karl:
...
 If you look at his
 
  http://downloads2.makemusic.com/blog/elementsv2-p79.pdf
 
 the exercise 19 and 20 are similar to the above,
 
  a = 0x48;
  make_exercise( number, a ) {
   music = { \time 7/2 }
   add_measure( music, a )
   add_measure( music, ++a )
   add_measure( music, ++a )
   add_measure( music, ++a )
   \mark\markup { \box number }
   print_music(music);

Aw, forgot:

 music = \shiftDurations #1 #0 \music
 print_music(music);
 music = \shiftDurations #1 #0 \music
 print_music(music);
 music = \shiftDurations #1 #0 \music
 print_music(music);
 music = \shiftDurations #1 #0 \music
 print_music(music);

  }
 
  make_exercise( 19, 0x48   );
  make_exercise( 20, 0x48+4 );

Regards,
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Re: LilyPond blog has new home!

[Urs Liska]

Am 07.07.2013 11:23, schrieb Karl Hammar:

Karl:
...


Hi Karl,

thank you for your comments. Very striking.
Would you mind writing the same as a comment to the original post on the 
blog? That would be nice.


Urs

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Re: LilyPond blog has new home!

[Karl Hammar]

Urs:
 Am 07.07.2013 11:23, schrieb Karl Hammar:
  Karl:
  ...
 
 Hi Karl,
 
 thank you for your comments. Very striking.

Yes, the thing to look for is not what people claim, it is the
stupidity they confess.

 Would you mind writing the same as a comment to the original post
 on the blog? That would be nice.

I'm not found of forums, mostly since I'm using a dialled up
connection. But you are welcome to quote me or take the words as
yours.

And, to have some weight, the comment should actually implement what
I showed in pseudocode.

Regards,
/Karl Hammar

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Re: LilyPond blog has new home!

[Janek Warchoł]

So, how do you like the new location and graphic design?  I saw a lot
of visitors after the announcement, but there were very few
comments...

Janek

2013/6/29 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com:
 Hi all,

 the fate of LilyPond blog has been decided: we have moved it from
 wordpress.com to a brand new domain, hosted on Paul Morris' server.
 See for yourself (we changed the design a bit, so there's some
 eye-candy involved):
 http://lilypondblog.org/2013/06/goodbye-wordpress-hello-wordpress/

 Please update your bookmarks/feed settings. You can also:
 - like blog's page on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/lilypondblog
 - follow the blog on Twitter https://twitter.com/lilypondblog

 Everyone's invited to contribute to the blog!
 We've paid extra attention not to use plugins that would track our
 activity and report it to 3rd party sites (for example to Facebook -
 the plugin we've used just sends the post to the fb page, but it
 doesn't tell fb anything else).  Please consider this as the gold
 embellishments to the invitation :)

 And most importantly: since the blog has a permanent address now,
 please spread the word as far as you can - let the world know that we
 have an awesome blog, and let Finale and Sibelius tremble with fear
 ;-)
 (Seriously, it'd be great to have many Finale and Sibelius users read our 
 blog)
 We've had close to 4000 views in 4 weeks since launch - that's a nice
 result, but now it is the time to double this number!

 best,
 Janek

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Re: LilyPond blog has new home!

[Werner LEMBERG]

 So, how do you like the new location and graphic design?  I saw a
 lot of visitors after the announcement, but there were very few
 comments...

It looks nice, thanks!


 Werner

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LilyPond blog has new home!

[Janek Warchoł]

Hi all,

the fate of LilyPond blog has been decided: we have moved it from
wordpress.com to a brand new domain, hosted on Paul Morris' server.
See for yourself (we changed the design a bit, so there's some
eye-candy involved):
http://lilypondblog.org/2013/06/goodbye-wordpress-hello-wordpress/

Please update your bookmarks/feed settings. You can also:
- like blog's page on Facebook https://www.facebook.com/lilypondblog
- follow the blog on Twitter https://twitter.com/lilypondblog

Everyone's invited to contribute to the blog!
We've paid extra attention not to use plugins that would track our
activity and report it to 3rd party sites (for example to Facebook -
the plugin we've used just sends the post to the fb page, but it
doesn't tell fb anything else).  Please consider this as the gold
embellishments to the invitation :)

And most importantly: since the blog has a permanent address now,
please spread the word as far as you can - let the world know that we
have an awesome blog, and let Finale and Sibelius tremble with fear
;-)
(Seriously, it'd be great to have many Finale and Sibelius users read our blog)
We've had close to 4000 views in 4 weeks since launch - that's a nice
result, but now it is the time to double this number!

best,
Janek

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Re: lilypond blog address: final decision. please state your opinion.

[Paul Morris]

I also prefer blog.lilypond.org 

But lilypondblog.org would be fine, and it looks like the path of least
resistance and the more likely outcome given the previous discussion.



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Re: lilypond blog address: final decision. please state your opinion.

[Mike Solomon]

On 20 juin 2013, at 12:56, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote:

 Am 20.06.2013 11:17, schrieb Phil Holmes:
 - Original Message - From: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com
 To: LilyPond Users lilypond-user@gnu.org; Graham Percival 
 gra...@percival-music.ca; Han-Wen Nienhuys han...@xs4all.nl; Jan 
 Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org
 Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:08 AM
 Subject: lilypond blog address: final decision. please state your opinion.
 
 
 Hi,
 
 I'd like to make the final decision about the blog address.  


I think putting it anywhere is fine - I'm indifferent.  Try to get it in a 
place where it will be easily accessible and maintainable.  But the most 
important thing is to get it up and running.  If you build it, they will come.

Cheers,
MS
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Re: lilypond blog address: final decision. please state your opinion.

[Janek Warchoł]

2013/6/20 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org:
 Am 20.06.2013 11:17, schrieb Phil Holmes:

 - Original Message - From: Janek Warchoł
 janek.lilyp...@gmail.com
 To: LilyPond Users lilypond-user@gnu.org; Graham Percival
 gra...@percival-music.ca; Han-Wen Nienhuys han...@xs4all.nl; Jan
 Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org
 Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:08 AM
 Subject: lilypond blog address: final decision. please state your opinion.


 Hi,

 I'd like to make the final decision about the blog address.  The
 previous discussion (maybe we could use blog.lilypond.org as the
 blog's address?) gave me an impression that some of you don't want
 the blog to be on blog.lilypond.org, but despite the many emails that
 were written i really don't have a clear idea why this would be bad.
 After all:
 - as you can see, the blog contains serious content and i get positive
 feedback about it.  There's nothing there that could make LilyPond
 look silly - quite the contrary.
 - There are good chances that the blog will remain active, especially
 if the authors (currently me and Urs) get some encouragement from the
 project leaders - for example by being allowed to use
 blog.lilypond.org address.
 - if the blog dies, you can always turn off the domain.

 I really don't see any way in which using blog.lilypond.org as the
 blog's address could hurt anyone.  Of course, if you won't agree, i'll
 just purchase a lilypondblog.org domain or something.

 So after all you don't like the idea of lilynet.net/blog anymore?

I see its advantages.  The reason why i'm more in favor of
lilypondblog.org is that i believe the single most important thing is
to have an instantly recognizable domain name.
But maybe i'm wrong...

best,
Janek

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Re: lilypond blog address: final decision. please state your opinion.

[Urs Liska]

Am 22.06.2013 23:31, schrieb Mike Solomon:

On 20 juin 2013, at 12:56, Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org wrote:


Am 20.06.2013 11:17, schrieb Phil Holmes:

- Original Message - From: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com
To: LilyPond Users lilypond-user@gnu.org; Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca; Han-Wen 
Nienhuys han...@xs4all.nl; Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org
Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:08 AM
Subject: lilypond blog address: final decision. please state your opinion.



Hi,

I'd like to make the final decision about the blog address.


I think putting it anywhere is fine - I'm indifferent.  Try to get it in a 
place where it will be easily accessible and maintainable.  But the most 
important thing is to get it up and running.  If you build it, they will come.

Hey Janek,

I think that's exactly what I told you too, but in very concise and 
convincing words ...


Urs


Cheers,
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Re: lilypond blog address: final decision. please state your opinion.

[nothingwavering]

I like blog.lilypond.org better than lilypondblog.org -- it makes it more 
official.


On Jun 20, 2013, at 3:08 AM, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 I'd like to make the final decision about the blog address.  The
 previous discussion (maybe we could use blog.lilypond.org as the
 blog's address?) gave me an impression that some of you don't want
 the blog to be on blog.lilypond.org, but despite the many emails that
 were written i really don't have a clear idea why this would be bad.
 After all:
 - as you can see, the blog contains serious content and i get positive
 feedback about it.  There's nothing there that could make LilyPond
 look silly - quite the contrary.
 - There are good chances that the blog will remain active, especially
 if the authors (currently me and Urs) get some encouragement from the
 project leaders - for example by being allowed to use
 blog.lilypond.org address.
 - if the blog dies, you can always turn off the domain.
 
 I really don't see any way in which using blog.lilypond.org as the
 blog's address could hurt anyone.  Of course, if you won't agree, i'll
 just purchase a lilypondblog.org domain or something.
 
 cheers,
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lilypond blog address: final decision. please state your opinion.

[Janek Warchoł]

Hi,

I'd like to make the final decision about the blog address.  The
previous discussion (maybe we could use blog.lilypond.org as the
blog's address?) gave me an impression that some of you don't want
the blog to be on blog.lilypond.org, but despite the many emails that
were written i really don't have a clear idea why this would be bad.
After all:
- as you can see, the blog contains serious content and i get positive
feedback about it.  There's nothing there that could make LilyPond
look silly - quite the contrary.
- There are good chances that the blog will remain active, especially
if the authors (currently me and Urs) get some encouragement from the
project leaders - for example by being allowed to use
blog.lilypond.org address.
- if the blog dies, you can always turn off the domain.

I really don't see any way in which using blog.lilypond.org as the
blog's address could hurt anyone.  Of course, if you won't agree, i'll
just purchase a lilypondblog.org domain or something.

cheers,
janek

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Re: lilypond blog address: final decision. please state your opinion.

[Phil Holmes]

- Original Message - 
From: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com
To: LilyPond Users lilypond-user@gnu.org; Graham Percival 
gra...@percival-music.ca; Han-Wen Nienhuys han...@xs4all.nl; Jan 
Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org

Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:08 AM
Subject: lilypond blog address: final decision. please state your opinion.



Hi,

I'd like to make the final decision about the blog address.  The
previous discussion (maybe we could use blog.lilypond.org as the
blog's address?) gave me an impression that some of you don't want
the blog to be on blog.lilypond.org, but despite the many emails that
were written i really don't have a clear idea why this would be bad.
After all:
- as you can see, the blog contains serious content and i get positive
feedback about it.  There's nothing there that could make LilyPond
look silly - quite the contrary.
- There are good chances that the blog will remain active, especially
if the authors (currently me and Urs) get some encouragement from the
project leaders - for example by being allowed to use
blog.lilypond.org address.
- if the blog dies, you can always turn off the domain.

I really don't see any way in which using blog.lilypond.org as the
blog's address could hurt anyone.  Of course, if you won't agree, i'll
just purchase a lilypondblog.org domain or something.

cheers,
janek



I've no personal objection to using that as an address, and I doubt whether 
others would.  My question concerns the technicalities: how would a 
sub-domain of lilypond.org be registered?  Who would do it? How would a blog 
on that sub-domain be hosted?


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Re: lilypond blog address: final decision. please state your opinion.

[Urs Liska]

Am 20.06.2013 11:17, schrieb Phil Holmes:
- Original Message - From: Janek Warchoł 
janek.lilyp...@gmail.com
To: LilyPond Users lilypond-user@gnu.org; Graham Percival 
gra...@percival-music.ca; Han-Wen Nienhuys han...@xs4all.nl; 
Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org

Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 10:08 AM
Subject: lilypond blog address: final decision. please state your 
opinion.




Hi,

I'd like to make the final decision about the blog address.  The
previous discussion (maybe we could use blog.lilypond.org as the
blog's address?) gave me an impression that some of you don't want
the blog to be on blog.lilypond.org, but despite the many emails that
were written i really don't have a clear idea why this would be bad.
After all:
- as you can see, the blog contains serious content and i get positive
feedback about it.  There's nothing there that could make LilyPond
look silly - quite the contrary.
- There are good chances that the blog will remain active, especially
if the authors (currently me and Urs) get some encouragement from the
project leaders - for example by being allowed to use
blog.lilypond.org address.
- if the blog dies, you can always turn off the domain.

I really don't see any way in which using blog.lilypond.org as the
blog's address could hurt anyone.  Of course, if you won't agree, i'll
just purchase a lilypondblog.org domain or something.

So after all you don't like the idea of lilynet.net/blog anymore?

cheers,
janek



I've no personal objection to using that as an address, and I doubt 
whether others would.  My question concerns the technicalities: how 
would a sub-domain of lilypond.org be registered?  Who would do it? 
How would a blog on that sub-domain be hosted?


Someone who volunteers to host the blog (that is currently Paul Morris 
and me) has to register the domain as an external registration. As far 
as my provider told me this would mean that the domain is registered 
twice, once normally and externally in addition.
I assume this involves the current owner of the domain approving this 
additional registration.


Then the nameserver on lilypond.org has to be updated as to direct 
requests for the subdomain blog.lilypond.org to the IP of the other's 
server.
The other's server has to be set up as to answer requests to 
blog.lilypond.org.


All this would be feasible AFAICS.

HTH understanding
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[Chris Mear]

On Tuesday, 4 June 2013, Graham Percival wrote:

 On Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 12:52:17PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote:
  - Original Message - From: Janek Warchol
  it seems to be decided that we're moving the blog to our website (i.e.
  to be hosted on lilypond.org), and we're doing it asap, because as
  Paul said:

 wait, what?

  I don't think we've agreed anything of the sort.  People have
  requested it, but nothing more.

 Yes.

  I have them, because I need them to upload the website.  However, I
  honestly don't think it's a case of just asking someone and admin
  being given.  As others have said, what about the load on the
  server?  Will there be any other effect.  I'd suggest trying to
  involve GP before assuming this will automatically happen.

 If the blog posts are being written in texinfo, then these posts
 would just be news items.  Nothing strange.  Write a doc patch,
 test with make website, git-cl, review, etc.  Or we could even
 skip the review and push straight to staging as long as you test
 with make doc first.


I think part of the motivation behind this blog idea is that there could be
a more informal, more frequently-updated source of Lilypond
updates/sightings/tidbits (as opposed to the official project news channel,
which is for important news about the project itself). Hence the initial
jump to a familiar blogging platform, with a user-friendly web interface
that a variety of contributors can use.

Writing posts in texinfo and running 'make' commands is a pretty high
barrier of entry for contributors who aren't already developers.

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[Noeck]

Hi Janek, all,

this blog is a very good idea! I will follow it regularly. I also like
your approach: Just do it, now. The discussion coming up here is quite
expected, I would say, and it is also what prevented such a blog to be
created before.

If there is a chance to integrate it in the LP website, that would be
nice. But if it was my time and energy, I would skip the discussion,
keep the enthusiasm and go for an independent setup - with a link or
some forward mechanism from the main website, if possible. (Just one
more opinion in this thread.)

The possibility to comment is nice. This blog was a missing part in the
LP world, imho. Once I can find some more time, I would like to write an
article. But unfortunately not this summer.

Btw, there seems to be a syntax highlighter for wordpress:
http://speckyboy.com/2009/02/19/12-wordpress-plugins-to-display-and-highlight-code-within-your-blog/

Cheers,
Joram

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2013/6/5 Shevek s...@saultobin.com:
 Have you considered using a Jekyll based CMS?

I've heard about Jekyll but i have no experience with it.  If there's
someone familiar with Jekyll who thinks that it'd be a better choice
(and would help with transition), we can discuss it.  As for now i see
that Wordpress provides everything i need and seems to work.
(sorry if that sounds brusque - i'd love to have time to discuss and
consider everything, but alas, i'm too busy :( )

best,
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[Graham Percival]

On Wed, Jun 05, 2013 at 11:19:01PM +0200, Janek Warchoł wrote:
 As for now i see that Wordpress provides everything i need and
 seems to work.

I have no personal experience with wordpress, but I heavily
recommend wordpress / google blogger / identi.ca / any pre-made
blog-hosting system,  rather than trying to handle the technical
sutff manually.

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[Janek Warchoł]

Hi Joram,

2013/6/5 Noeck noeck.marb...@gmx.de:
 Hi Janek, all,

 this blog is a very good idea! I will follow it regularly. I also like
 your approach: Just do it, now. The discussion coming up here is quite
 expected, I would say, and it is also what prevented such a blog to be
 created before.

thanks, that's very encourageing!

 If there is a chance to integrate it in the LP website, that would be
 nice. But if it was my time and energy, I would skip the discussion,
 keep the enthusiasm and go for an independent setup - with a link or
 some forward mechanism from the main website, if possible. (Just one
 more opinion in this thread.)

It seems there may be an easy way to handle this.  I'll write about it
in another email, to keep things separate.

 The possibility to comment is nice. This blog was a missing part in the
 LP world, imho. Once I can find some more time, I would like to write an
 article. But unfortunately not this summer.

Great!  Of course, you're invited to write short, informal posts as
well if you'd like (for example, your cheat sheet is a very good topic
for a blog post, short or long).

 Btw, there seems to be a syntax highlighter for wordpress:
 http://speckyboy.com/2009/02/19/12-wordpress-plugins-to-display-and-highlight-code-within-your-blog/

i'll try to check it in a free moment.  The plugin i tried had support
for highlightning several languages but not lilypond, and i didn't see
an option to add custom rules.

thanks!
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[Janek Warchoł]

Hi all,

it seems to be decided that we're moving the blog to our website (i.e.
to be hosted on lilypond.org), and we're doing it asap, because as
Paul said:

2013/6/4 Paul Morris p...@paulwmorris.com:
 people will link to it, and the longer you wait to move it,
 the more broken links you create

So,

2013/6/4 Paul Morris p...@paulwmorris.com:
 If you have questions about WordPress or need advice or help with it, I have
 set up and administered a handful of sites with it.  (i.e. not on
 wordpress.com...)

Great!  I definitely need helpadvice - i don't have time to figure
out details on my own :(

As i see it, there are a few decisions we have to make:
1) are we going to use WordPress or something else, for example Mezzaine:

2013/6/3 Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com:
 Another option could be Mezzanine, a CMS based on Django which has many
 built-in features (including blogging).
 Considering that many lilypond developers know python, it could be a wise
 choice in case we need to hack on it.
 Mezzanine has some scripts to import from other CMS (Wordpress included):
 http://mezzanine.jupo.org/docs/blog-importing.html

?
(my vote is with Wordpress, but i really have no experience apart from
last few days)

2) what the precise address/location should be?  Paul suggests:

2013/6/4 Paul Morris p...@paulwmorris.com:
 Ideally it could be at www.lilypond.org/blog/ on the lilypond.org domain and
 to some extent integrated into the main LilyPond website.  (i.e. make it
 easy to navigate back and forth between the two sites seamlessly)

(another option could probably be blog.lilypond.org, but i have no
idea whether that's a purely cosmetical choice or has some
implications.)

As for the integration, i think that the blog should be accessible as
an item in the top menubar (I.e. next to Introduction, Manuals,
Download and Community).

If we go for WordPress, Jacques Menu showed a starting point.
Jacques, i count on your help as well! :)  There is no way i could do
this alone.

2013/6/3 Jacques Menu jacques.m...@tvtmail.ch:
 Hello,

 I've switched from CMS Made Simple (lives up to its name) to WordPress for 
 its power and rich set of plugins.

 Using 3.5.1 and a child of the new twentytwelve template makes browsing on 
 phones and templates much more practical (you can check  with 
 http://gioiacantar.ch).

 You'll need:
 - write FTP access to the folder hosting the site;
 - a dedicated MySQL database;
 - PHP activated;
 - ability to run cron tasks.

 Installing WordPress is a one click operation. Don't forget to remove 
 install.php and readme.html for security when it's done.

 To backup the site, export the database structure and data, which is easily 
 done with cron, and rsync the folder contents elsewhere.


Please discuss!

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Re: moving LilyPond blog to our website

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- Original Message - 
From: Janek Warchol janek.lilyp...@gmail.com
To: Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com; LilyPond Users 
lilypond-user@gnu.org; Jacques Menu jacques.m...@tvtmail.ch; Paul 
Morris p...@paulwmorris.com; Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org; 
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org

Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 9:55 AM
Subject: moving LilyPond blog to our website



Hi all,

it seems to be decided that we're moving the blog to our website (i.e.
to be hosted on lilypond.org), and we're doing it asap, because as
Paul said:


I don't think we've agreed anything of the sort.  People have requested it, 
but nothing more.  Who is going to get admin permission on lilypond.org to 
administer this?


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[Urs Liska]

Am 04.06.2013 10:55, schrieb Janek Warchoł:

Hi all,

it seems to be decided that we're moving the blog to our website (i.e.
to be hosted on lilypond.org),


Makes sense to move away from a commercial provider.


  and we're doing it asap, because as
Paul said:


Installing WordPress is a one click operation. Don't forget to remove 
install.php and readme.html for security when it's done.

To backup the site, export the database structure and data, which is easily 
done with cron, and rsync the folder contents elsewhere.

Please discuss!

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2013/6/4 Paul Morris p...@paulwmorris.com:

people will link to it, and the longer you wait to move it,
the more broken links you create


+1. There already are links which will be broken.

As i see it, there are a few decisions we have to make: 1) are we 
going to use WordPress or something else, for example Mezzaine: 
2013/6/3 Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com:

Another option could be Mezzanine, a CMS based on Django which has many
built-in features (including blogging).
Considering that many lilypond developers know python, it could be a wise
choice in case we need to hack on it.
Mezzanine has some scripts to import from other CMS (Wordpress included):
http://mezzanine.jupo.org/docs/blog-importing.html

?
(my vote is with Wordpress, but i really have no experience apart from
last few days)


The fundamental question is whether to host the blog on a 'live' (i.e. 
php based) system or with a static site generator.
What are the capabilities on the lilypond.org server (wrt installed 
programs and performance)?

lilypond.org is (currently) a statically served web site.

I think using a static site generator isn't really an option because any 
update would have to be compiled and uploaded by someone with the 
necessary write access.
But we first should know whether lilypond.org actually can serve a 
Django or PHP based site.


WordPress seems to be a quite 'big' application so there would be much 
overhead. OTOH the fact that it is quite comfortable to use makes it a 
good choice when we actually want to use it (and not to be busy 
configuring and maintaining it).


Of course Python would be a good thing, but PHP isn't hard to hack either.



2) what the precise address/location should be?  Paul suggests:

2013/6/4 Paul Morris p...@paulwmorris.com:

Ideally it could be at www.lilypond.org/blog/ on the lilypond.org domain and
to some extent integrated into the main LilyPond website.  (i.e. make it
easy to navigate back and forth between the two sites seamlessly)

(another option could probably be blog.lilypond.org, but i have no
idea whether that's a purely cosmetical choice or has some
implications.)


I think I'd prefer lilypond.org/blog because it's consistent with the 
other menu entries.
But a subdomain could be more straightforward when it comes to running a 
live web application.
A subdomain can also be transparently mapped to another service provider 
if the lilypond.org server doesn't provide the necessary infrastructure.




As for the integration, i think that the blog should be accessible as
an item in the top menubar (I.e. next to Introduction, Manuals,
Download and Community).


+1

We could also modify the Pondings box to point to the newest or a 
random blog post (of the 'productions' category).
(That's a redundancy anyway, and if we host the blog on lilypond.org we 
should sort it out).




If we go for WordPress, Jacques Menu showed a starting point.
Jacques, i count on your help as well! :)  There is no way i could do
this alone.

2013/6/3 Jacques Menu jacques.m...@tvtmail.ch:

Hello,

I've switched from CMS Made Simple (lives up to its name) to WordPress for its 
power and rich set of plugins.

Using 3.5.1 and a child of the new twentytwelve template makes browsing on 
phones and templates much more practical (you can check  with 
http://gioiacantar.ch).

You'll need:
 - write FTP access to the folder hosting the site;
 - a dedicated MySQL database;
 - PHP activated;
 - ability to run cron tasks.


As mentioned above this would be crucial. So someone involved in the 
hosting should check and clarify .


Urs

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[Urs Liska]

Am 04.06.2013 11:24, schrieb Urs Liska:


I think I'd prefer lilypond.org/blog because it's consistent with the 
other menu entries.
But a subdomain could be more straightforward when it comes to running 
a live web application.
A subdomain can also be transparently mapped to another service 
provider if the lilypond.org server doesn't provide the necessary 
infrastructure.




Am 04.06.2013 11:21, schrieb Phil Holmes:

Who is going to get admin permission on lilypond.org to administer this?
Mapping blog.lilypond.org to another server/provider could also be 
useful for this issue.


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[Janek Warchoł]

Hi,

2013/6/4 Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net:
 - Original Message - From: Janek Warchol
 it seems to be decided that we're moving the blog to our website (i.e.
 to be hosted on lilypond.org), and we're doing it asap, because as
 Paul said:

 I don't think we've agreed anything of the sort.  People have requested it,
 but nothing more.

I apologize if that sounded like i'm trying to enforce something.
That's not my intention; i'd just like to get things done asap (and i
don't imagine why anyone would oppose moving the blog to our website).

 Who is going to get admin permission on lilypond.org to
 administer this?

I can if that's necessary.  How do i get them, and is there anyone who
has them already?

best,
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[Phil Holmes]

- Original Message - 
From: Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com

To: Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net
Cc: Federico Bruni fedel...@gmail.com; LilyPond Users 
lilypond-user@gnu.org; Jacques Menu jacques.m...@tvtmail.ch; Paul 
Morris p...@paulwmorris.com; Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org; 
David Kastrup d...@gnu.org

Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: moving LilyPond blog to our website



Hi,

2013/6/4 Phil Holmes m...@philholmes.net:

- Original Message - From: Janek Warchol

it seems to be decided that we're moving the blog to our website (i.e.
to be hosted on lilypond.org), and we're doing it asap, because as
Paul said:


I don't think we've agreed anything of the sort.  People have requested 
it,

but nothing more.


I apologize if that sounded like i'm trying to enforce something.
That's not my intention; i'd just like to get things done asap (and i
don't imagine why anyone would oppose moving the blog to our website).


Who is going to get admin permission on lilypond.org to
administer this?


I can if that's necessary.  How do i get them, and is there anyone who
has them already?

best,
Janek



I have them, because I need them to upload the website.  However, I honestly 
don't think it's a case of just asking someone and admin being given.  As 
others have said, what about the load on the server?  Will there be any 
other effect.  I'd suggest trying to involve GP before assuming this will 
automatically happen.


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[Urs Liska]

Am 04.06.2013 10:55, schrieb Janek Warchoł:
If we go for WordPress, Jacques Menu showed a starting point. Jacques, 
i count on your help as well! :) There is no way i could do this 
alone. 2013/6/3 Jacques Menu jacques.m...@tvtmail.ch:

Hello,

I've switched from CMS Made Simple (lives up to its name) to WordPress for its 
power and rich set of plugins.

Using 3.5.1 and a child of the new twentytwelve template makes browsing on 
phones and templates much more practical (you can check  with 
http://gioiacantar.ch).

You'll need:
 - write FTP access to the folder hosting the site;
 - a dedicated MySQL database;
 - PHP activated;
 - ability to run cron tasks.

Installing WordPress is a one click operation. Don't forget to remove 
install.php and readme.html for security when it's done.

To backup the site, export the database structure and data, which is easily 
done with cron, and rsync the folder contents elsewhere.


In theory I can offer to host that on my webspace. I (still) have enough 
storage available, can set up a ftp access point restricted to the blog, 
have PHP and MySQL and also can run cron jobs.


I can't guarantee this to be a permanent offer, but as it seems it 
should be possible to move the site if necessary.


I'm not sure though if/how it's possible to transparently redirect the 
browsers from lilypond.org so it looks like being hosted on 
lilypond.org/blog or blog.lilypond.org.


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[Paul Morris]

Janek wrote:
  1) are we going to use WordPress or something else, for example Mezzaine:

I have no experience with Mezzanine, but I found this helpful comparison with 
WordPress from a Mezzanine users forum:
http://grokbase.com/t/gg/mezzanine-users/12byf39adw/wordpress-vs-mezzanine

It sounds like Mezzanine is great if you have a Python/Django developer who can 
administer it and especially if you want to do more than blogging with your 
site (i.e. web applications).  On the other hand, WordPress requires less 
developer effort, has fewer dependencies, and works well if you just want to do 
a blog site (i.e. _not_ web applications).


  (another option could probably be blog.lilypond.org, but i have no
  idea whether that's a purely cosmetical choice or has some
  implications.)

One consequence here is that subdomains like blog.lilypond.org are treated as 
separate sites by search engines, and so they are ranked separately.  So this 
splits your site content into two sites, rather than putting it all under one 
site.  I think the latter is generally better from a 
doing-well-in-search-results (SEO) perspective.  


  As for the integration, i think that the blog should be accessible as
  an item in the top menubar (I.e. next to Introduction, Manuals,
  Download and Community).


Another possibility is to have it as a sublink/subheading under Community and 
maybe also have a link from the home page where Pondings is.  Maybe as Urs 
mentioned have a few recent posts listed there (possibly from a particular 
category?).  This would be a more conservative approach.  Depending on how 
things go, later a link to the blog could move up into the top-level navigation 
menu (while keeping the URLs the same).  

Going the other direction, you could have the top level navigation/menubar 
appear on all the blog pages, making it easy to get from the blog back to the 
rest of the site.  This just requires tweaking your WordPress theme (using a 
child theme of the twentytwelve theme you're now using).  That's something 
I've done and could help with.  (I'm less help with installing PHP and the 
MySQL database, but I'm pretty handy customizing a WordPress site once it's up 
and running.)

Urs Liska wrote:
 The fundamental question is whether to host the blog on a 'live' (i.e. php 
 based) system or with a static site generator. What are the capabilities on 
 the lilypond.org server (wrt installed programs and performance)?  

This is a good question.  For a blog where people can post comments and then 
immediately see them appear, that means dynamic rather than static.  However, 
there are caching plugins for WordPress[1] that help with this by automatically 
storing a static html copy of each page and then just sending that to the web 
browser[2].  When a new post or comment is made, the changed pages are removed 
from the cache and the new version of those pages gets stored again. 

[1] I've used HyperCache: 
http://wordpress.org/plugins/hyper-cache/  
http://www.satollo.net/plugins/hyper-cache

[2] How it works, from one of the links above:
On each request, the cache engine is called by WordPress. It checks if the 
html for this request is in cache and is still valid. If so the html page is 
returned and everything stops. WordPress calls the cache engine BEFORE any 
other kind of operations, so no plugins are activated, no database connection 
established, no queries executed. If the page requested is not in cache, the 
cache engine “captures” the html produced by WordPress and puts it on file.


Phil Holmes wrote:
 However, I honestly don't think it's a case of just asking someone and admin 
 being given. As others have said, what about the load on the server? Will 
 there be any other effect. I'd suggest trying to involve GP before assuming 
 this will automatically happen.

I think this is a good idea.

-Paul Morris


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[Paul Morris]

Janek wrote:
  1) are we going to use WordPress or something else, for example Mezzaine:

I have no experience with Mezzanine, but I found this helpful comparison with 
WordPress from a Mezzanine users forum:
http://grokbase.com/t/gg/mezzanine-users/12byf39adw/wordpress-vs-mezzanine

It sounds like Mezzanine is great if you have a Python/Django developer who can 
administer it and especially if you want to do more than blogging with your 
site (i.e. web applications).  On the other hand, WordPress requires less 
developer effort, has fewer dependencies, and works well if you just want to do 
a blog site (i.e. _not_ web applications).


  (another option could probably be blog.lilypond.org, but i have no
  idea whether that's a purely cosmetical choice or has some
  implications.)

One consequence here is that subdomains like blog.lilypond.org are treated as 
separate sites by search engines, and so they are ranked separately.  So this 
splits your site content into two sites, rather than putting it all under one 
site.  I think the latter is generally better from a 
doing-well-in-search-results (SEO) perspective.  


  As for the integration, i think that the blog should be accessible as
  an item in the top menubar (I.e. next to Introduction, Manuals,
  Download and Community).


Another possibility is to have it as a sublink/subheading under Community and 
maybe also have a link from the home page where Pondings is.  Maybe as Urs 
mentioned have a few recent posts listed there (possibly from a particular 
category?).  This would be a more conservative approach.  Depending on how 
things go, later a link to the blog could move up into the top-level navigation 
menu (while keeping the URLs the same).  

Going the other direction, you could have the top level navigation/menubar 
appear on all the blog pages, making it easy to get from the blog back to the 
rest of the site.  This just requires tweaking your WordPress theme (using a 
child theme of the twentytwelve theme you're now using).  That's something 
I've done and could help with.  (I'm less help with installing PHP and the 
MySQL database, but I'm pretty handy customizing a WordPress site once it's up 
and running.)

Urs Liska wrote:
 The fundamental question is whether to host the blog on a 'live' (i.e. php 
 based) system or with a static site generator. What are the capabilities on 
 the lilypond.org server (wrt installed programs and performance)?  

This is a good question.  For a blog where people can post comments and then 
immediately see them appear, that means dynamic rather than static.  However, 
there are caching plugins for WordPress[1] that help with this by automatically 
storing a static html copy of each page and then just sending that to the web 
browser[2].  When a new post or comment is made, the changed pages are removed 
from the cache and the new version of those pages gets stored again. 

[1] I've used HyperCache: 
http://wordpress.org/plugins/hyper-cache/  
http://www.satollo.net/plugins/hyper-cache

[2] How it works, from one of the links above:
On each request, the cache engine is called by WordPress. It checks if the 
html for this request is in cache and is still valid. If so the html page is 
returned and everything stops. WordPress calls the cache engine BEFORE any 
other kind of operations, so no plugins are activated, no database connection 
established, no queries executed. If the page requested is not in cache, the 
cache engine “captures” the html produced by WordPress and puts it on file.


Phil Holmes wrote:
 However, I honestly don't think it's a case of just asking someone and admin 
 being given. As others have said, what about the load on the server? Will 
 there be any other effect. I'd suggest trying to involve GP before assuming 
 this will automatically happen.

I think this is a good idea.

-Paul Morris


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Re: moving LilyPond blog to our website

[Graham Percival]

On Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 12:52:17PM +0100, Phil Holmes wrote:
 - Original Message - From: Janek Warchol
 it seems to be decided that we're moving the blog to our website (i.e.
 to be hosted on lilypond.org), and we're doing it asap, because as
 Paul said:

wait, what?

 I don't think we've agreed anything of the sort.  People have
 requested it, but nothing more.

Yes.

 I have them, because I need them to upload the website.  However, I
 honestly don't think it's a case of just asking someone and admin
 being given.  As others have said, what about the load on the
 server?  Will there be any other effect.  I'd suggest trying to
 involve GP before assuming this will automatically happen.

If the blog posts are being written in texinfo, then these posts
would just be news items.  Nothing strange.  Write a doc patch,
test with make website, git-cl, review, etc.  Or we could even
skip the review and push straight to staging as long as you test
with make doc first.

If you want to write the posts in rst or markdown, then you'd want
to look at a static site generator, like pelican or nikola.  I've
been experimenting with nikola for my own website (not uploaded
yet).  While you investigate those programs, you should check that
they can integrate nicely with the existing website.

If you don't have experience with static site generators and our
website build process, ETA 20 hours to get a decent hello world.
This time includes responding to patch reviews.

- Graham

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Re: moving LilyPond blog to our website

[Jim Long]

On Tue, Jun 04, 2013 at 10:55:38AM +0200, Janek Warcho?? wrote:
 (my vote is with Wordpress, but i really have no experience apart from
 last few days)

Be prepared to make frequent security upgrades to WordPress/PHP
if you are concerned about the security of the hosting server.
In 2012, 23 Wordpress issues were reported, although some of
those are disputed.

http://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-2337/product_id-4096/

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Re: moving LilyPond blog to our website

[Shevek]

Have you considered using a Jekyll based CMS?



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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Gagi Petrovic]

Dear LilyPonder, this is awesome! :) Best, Gagi


On 2 June 2013 16:17, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote:

 2013/6/2 Nils Gey i...@nilsgey.de:
  On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 15:39:43 +0200
  Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote:
  However, i think that it should be just another category of posts (as
  i've already said, i'd like this blog to be multi-authored and i'll be
  happy to give contributor privileges to everyone, even if they write
  one post per decade).  That's simple and i'll make such a category
  right away.
  Would you like to write a post immediately? :)
 
  What about giving third party programs, not hosted in the lilypond code,
 but which deal directly with Lilypond, a platform?
  For short announcements, not for marketing.

 Let's say the rule is as follows: anything that is a valid and
 interesting blog post will be accepted.  So you just have to wrap the
 information you want to give into a blogpost form.

 For example, imagine that you want to announce Lily 2.17.1 release.
 Instead of writing something like:

   We are proud to announce the release of GNU LilyPond 2.17.1.
   This release contains the following improvements:
- bug 235234 was fixed,
- feature foobar was added,
- objects use skylines instead of boxes for calculating collisions.

 whis is boring, write something like this:

   After several months of intense development, an important improvement
   is implemented in the newly released LilyPond 2.17.1: the program no
   longer treats objects as if they were rectangles, but uses skylines to
   approximate their shapes.  Thanks to this feature, things that used to
 look
   like this:
   ugly image
   now look like this:
   nice image
   There are several other improvements in this version - you can see
   a full list here link.

 I think you can see the difference immediately.
 So, everyone's invited - just write in a way that can be interesting
 to outsiders as well as long-time users.

 best,
 Janek

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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[PMA]

...
Let's say the rule is as follows: anything that is a valid and
interesting blog post will be accepted.  So you just have to wrap the
information you want to give into a blogpost form.

For example, imagine that you want to announce Lily 2.17.1 release.
Instead of writing something like:

   We are proud to announce the release of GNU LilyPond 2.17.1.
   This release contains the following improvements:
- bug 235234 was fixed,
- feature foobar was added,
- objects use skylines instead of boxes for calculating collisions.

whis is boring, write something like this:

   After several months of intense development, an important improvement
   is implemented in the newly released LilyPond 2.17.1: the program no
   longer treats objects as if they were rectangles, but uses skylines to
   approximate their shapes.  Thanks to this feature, things that used to
look
   like this:
   ugly image
   now look like this:
   nice image
   There are several other improvements in this version - you can see
   a full list herelink.


FWIW, I'd go for the boring one.

PA

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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Paul Morris]

I like the blog idea.  (I also like the LilyPonderings name FWIW.)  

If you have questions about WordPress or need advice or help with it, I have
set up and administered a handful of sites with it.  (i.e. not on
wordpress.com...)

I would suggest figuring out the blog's permanent home (URL) sooner than
later because people will link to it, and the longer you wait to move it,
the more broken links you create, and that does not help when it comes to
search engine results.  Also running it on your own server gives you control
of the software, data, etc.

Ideally it could be at www.lilypond.org/blog/ on the lilypond.org domain and
to some extent integrated into the main LilyPond website.  (i.e. make it
easy to navigate back and forth between the two sites seamlessly)

-Paul Morris



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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Urs Liska]

Am 02.06.2013 03:27, schrieb Janek Warchoł:

Hello everybody,

thanks for your interest!  The blog is up and running at
http://lilypondblog.wordpress.com/ :)

Great, congratulations!

More later - I only say kid's birthday party ...

Urs

It's quite possible that we may move it to some other location, but
right now i just want to write some posts.

It would be awesome if you joined me!  I'm generous and will give
contributor access (contributors can write drafts and submit them for
approval) to *everyone who asks*.  Everyone whom i know a bit better
will get author privileges - let's get the ball rolling!

cheers,
Janek

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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[David Nalesnik]

Hi Janek,


On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hello everybody,

 thanks for your interest!  The blog is up and running at
 http://lilypondblog.wordpress.com/ :)


Looks great!
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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Chris Mear]

On 2 Jun 2013, at 02:27, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote:

 thanks for your interest!  The blog is up and running at
 http://lilypondblog.wordpress.com/ :)
 It's quite possible that we may move it to some other location, but
 right now i just want to write some posts.

Can I suggest that something straightforward like A blog about Lilypond is 
added to the blog's header?

The title/subtitle are cute, but to an newcomer they don't mean anything, so 
it's not immediately clear what this website is about.

Chris


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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Federico Bruni]

2013/6/2 Chris Mear chrism...@gmail.com

 On 2 Jun 2013, at 02:27, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote:

  thanks for your interest!  The blog is up and running at
  http://lilypondblog.wordpress.com/ :)
  It's quite possible that we may move it to some other location, but
  right now i just want to write some posts.

 Can I suggest that something straightforward like A blog about Lilypond
 is added to the blog's header?

 The title/subtitle are cute, but to an newcomer they don't mean anything,
 so it's not immediately clear what this website is about.


+1
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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Janek Warchoł]

2013/6/2 Chris Mear chrism...@gmail.com:
 On 2 Jun 2013, at 02:27, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote:

 thanks for your interest!  The blog is up and running at
 http://lilypondblog.wordpress.com/ :)
 It's quite possible that we may move it to some other location, but
 right now i just want to write some posts.

 Can I suggest that something straightforward like A blog about Lilypond is 
 added to the blog's header?

 The title/subtitle are cute, but to an newcomer they don't mean anything, so 
 it's not immediately clear what this website is about.

Done, how do you like it?

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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Chris Mear]

On Sunday, 2 June 2013, Janek Warchoł wrote:

 2013/6/2 Chris Mear chrism...@gmail.com javascript:;:
  On 2 Jun 2013, at 02:27, Janek Warchoł 
  janek.lilyp...@gmail.comjavascript:;
 wrote:
 
  thanks for your interest!  The blog is up and running at
  http://lilypondblog.wordpress.com/ :)
  It's quite possible that we may move it to some other location, but
  right now i just want to write some posts.
 
  Can I suggest that something straightforward like A blog about
 Lilypond is added to the blog's header?
 
  The title/subtitle are cute, but to an newcomer they don't mean
 anything, so it's not immediately clear what this website is about.

 Done, how do you like it?


Looks great -- very clear!

Thanks,
Chris
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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Janek,

What about a section (maybe Splashes) where we Pond-dwellers can post our 
concerts, performances, CD recording sessions, etc. which use Lilypond-engraved 
scores?
Like the Pondings section of the main site.

Thanks,
Kieren.
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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Janek Warchoł]

Hi Kieren,

2013/6/2 Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca:
 Hi Janek,

 What about a section (maybe Splashes) where we Pond-dwellers can post our 
 concerts, performances, CD recording sessions, etc. which use 
 Lilypond-engraved scores?
 Like the Pondings section of the main site.

Definitely, but do you mean a post category or a separate visual area
on the website?
I have extremely little experience with webdesign and hosting, and
little time to experiment, so the second option would require someone
else's help.
However, i think that it should be just another category of posts (as
i've already said, i'd like this blog to be multi-authored and i'll be
happy to give contributor privileges to everyone, even if they write
one post per decade).  That's simple and i'll make such a category
right away.
Would you like to write a post immediately? :)

best,
Janek

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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Nils Gey]

On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 15:39:43 +0200
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote:
 However, i think that it should be just another category of posts (as
 i've already said, i'd like this blog to be multi-authored and i'll be
 happy to give contributor privileges to everyone, even if they write
 one post per decade).  That's simple and i'll make such a category
 right away.
 Would you like to write a post immediately? :)

What about giving third party programs, not hosted in the lilypond code, but 
which deal directly with Lilypond, a platform?
For short announcements, not for marketing.
The teams could then have an account each and write short messages when they 
feel they have something important to say.

I think of big tools like Frescobaldi and Denemo but also converters and 
command line programs, if they are not already in the lily git.

Nils


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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Janek Warchoł]

2013/6/2 Nils Gey i...@nilsgey.de:
 On Sun, 2 Jun 2013 15:39:43 +0200
 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote:
 However, i think that it should be just another category of posts (as
 i've already said, i'd like this blog to be multi-authored and i'll be
 happy to give contributor privileges to everyone, even if they write
 one post per decade).  That's simple and i'll make such a category
 right away.
 Would you like to write a post immediately? :)

 What about giving third party programs, not hosted in the lilypond code, but 
 which deal directly with Lilypond, a platform?
 For short announcements, not for marketing.

Let's say the rule is as follows: anything that is a valid and
interesting blog post will be accepted.  So you just have to wrap the
information you want to give into a blogpost form.

For example, imagine that you want to announce Lily 2.17.1 release.
Instead of writing something like:

  We are proud to announce the release of GNU LilyPond 2.17.1.
  This release contains the following improvements:
   - bug 235234 was fixed,
   - feature foobar was added,
   - objects use skylines instead of boxes for calculating collisions.

whis is boring, write something like this:

  After several months of intense development, an important improvement
  is implemented in the newly released LilyPond 2.17.1: the program no
  longer treats objects as if they were rectangles, but uses skylines to
  approximate their shapes.  Thanks to this feature, things that used to look
  like this:
  ugly image
  now look like this:
  nice image
  There are several other improvements in this version - you can see
  a full list here link.

I think you can see the difference immediately.
So, everyone's invited - just write in a way that can be interesting
to outsiders as well as long-time users.

best,
Janek

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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Urs Liska]

Scores of Beauty



Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com schrieb:

2013/5/31 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com:
 this cannot wait any longer: there has to be a LilyPond blog.
 Unless someone has a better idea, i'm going to create a blog on
 WordPress.com tomorrow morning.

and it's time for a first contest!  The blog needs a catchy name.
Whoever suggests the best name will be the first one interviewed on
the new blog!
:D

Janek

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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Johan Vromans]

Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org writes:

 Scores of Beauty

+1

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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[James Harkins]

Janek Warchoł janek.lilypond at gmail.com writes:

 2013/5/31 Janek Warchoł janek.lilypond at gmail.com:
  this cannot wait any longer: there has to be a LilyPond blog.
  Unless someone has a better idea, i'm going to create a blog on
  WordPress.com tomorrow morning.
 
 and it's time for a first contest!  The blog needs a catchy name.
 Whoever suggests the best name will be the first one interviewed on
 the new blog!
 :D

We could take a hint from the Ford Motor Company and hire a poet:

http://www.listsofnote.com/2012/02/utopian-turtletop.html

hjh


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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Jim Long]

Clef Notes

Beauty and the Beats

Quaver and the Crotchets (Or The Crotchety Quavers)
(Or The Quaver -n- Crotchet, etc. etc.   Sounds more like
a pub, though.)

Random Staff

Just Segno



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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Renato Biolcati Rinaldi]

Il laghetto del larghetto..
(laghetto= pond in Italian)

Just kidding, but it's fun:-)

Renato

On Fri, 31 May 2013 23:59:12 +0200
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote:

 2013/5/31 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com:
  this cannot wait any longer: there has to be a LilyPond blog.
  Unless someone has a better idea, i'm going to create a blog on
  WordPress.com tomorrow morning.
 
 and it's time for a first contest!  The blog needs a catchy name.
 Whoever suggests the best name will be the first one interviewed on
 the new blog!
 :D
 
 Janek
 
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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[luis jure]

on 2013-06-01 at 07:37 Robert Schmaus wrote:

 The Lilyponderer

hey, i like that one!

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[pls]

fond of the pond

:)
On 01.06.2013, at 12:08, Renato Biolcati Rinaldi rebio...@gmail.com wrote:

 Il laghetto del larghetto..
 (laghetto= pond in Italian)
 
 Just kidding, but it's fun:-)
 
 Renato
 
 On Fri, 31 May 2013 23:59:12 +0200
 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 2013/5/31 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com:
 this cannot wait any longer: there has to be a LilyPond blog.
 Unless someone has a better idea, i'm going to create a blog on
 WordPress.com tomorrow morning.
 
 and it's time for a first contest!  The blog needs a catchy name.
 Whoever suggests the best name will be the first one interviewed on
 the new blog!
 :D
 
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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Janek Warchoł]

Thank you all for your suggestions!

and the winner is...

.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.

2013/6/1 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org:
 Scores of Beauty

Congratulations!

The second place (maybe a subtitle, who knows?) is

2013/6/1 Nils Gey i...@nilsgey.de:
 Aquatic Plants in Music

because, similarly to Graham,

2013/6/1 Graham Percival gra...@percival-music.ca:
 I like this.  Funny, but still classy, and definitely related to
 lilypond.  I could totally imagine that being the title of a
 contemporary music composition, too.

The only downside of this one was that it's an insider joke and
wouldn't be comprehensible to people not knowing LilyPond (who are
part of target audience).

By the way, there will be some delay: i've discovered that the address
lilypond.wordpress.com is taken, but inactive, so i'm trying to
contact Wordpress asking if they can do something about this.
Of course, we may end up with other address -
lilypondblog.wordpress.com, scoresofbeauty.wordpress.com or sth else.

best,
Janek

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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Nils Gey]

On Sat, 1 Jun 2013 13:43:00 +0200
Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote:

 and the winner is...
 2013/6/1 Urs Liska u...@openlilylib.org:
  Scores of Beauty
 
 Congratulations!

Congratulations!
I like funny or exotic titles more, but I can see that his might have the 
broadest appeal.

 The second place (maybe a subtitle, who knows?) is
 
 2013/6/1 Nils Gey i...@nilsgey.de:
  Aquatic Plants in Music

Does that get me the second interview? :) 

Nils


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[Patrick or Cynthia Karl]

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 Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 23:59:12 +0200
 From: Janek Warcho? janek.lilyp...@gmail.com
 To: LilyPond Users lilypond-user@gnu.org
 Subject: Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?
 Message-ID:
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 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
 
 2013/5/31 Janek Warcho? janek.lilyp...@gmail.com:
 this cannot wait any longer: there has to be a LilyPond blog.
 Unless someone has a better idea, i'm going to create a blog on
 WordPress.com tomorrow morning.
 
 and it's time for a first contest!  The blog needs a catchy name.
 Whoever suggests the best name will be the first one interviewed on
 the new blog!
 :D
 
 Janek

LilyNotes

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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Janek Warchoł]

2013/6/1 Nils Gey i...@nilsgey.de:

 Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote:
 The second place (maybe a subtitle, who knows?) is

 2013/6/1 Nils Gey i...@nilsgey.de:
  Aquatic Plants in Music

 Does that get me the second interview? :)

Sure!

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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Urs Liska]

Am 31.05.2013 23:09, schrieb Janek Warchoł:

Hi,

this cannot wait any longer: there has to be a LilyPond blog.
Unless someone has a better idea, i'm going to create a blog on
WordPress.com tomorrow morning.


+1



Goals:
- pick up the slack from The LilyPond Report,
- provide Lily users with interesting news concerning LilyPond, music
engraving etc.,
- provide Lily devs with insightful comments and analyses (similar to
http://news.lilynet.net/?The-LilyPond-Report-26#lilypond_output_analysis)
- be LilyPond's voice in the publishing industry, e.g. discuss
LilyPond's merits as compared to other notation programs.

Everyone's invited!
As far as i see, i should be able to add as many collaborators on
wordpress.com as i want.  Is there anyone for whom creating an account
on wordpress.com would be a problem?

not for me.

It is very important for me that
everyone, especially active developers, would be able to participate.


I'd be happy to participate. Although I don't know when I'll have 
something to contribute (or time for it. Have to try to catch up with 
everything anyway ...).
But with a regular blog platform the threshold to share even minor 
thoughts could become lower.


Urs


woohoo!  LilyPond ftw!
Janek



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LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Janek Warchoł]

Hi,

this cannot wait any longer: there has to be a LilyPond blog.
Unless someone has a better idea, i'm going to create a blog on
WordPress.com tomorrow morning.

Goals:
- pick up the slack from The LilyPond Report,
- provide Lily users with interesting news concerning LilyPond, music
engraving etc.,
- provide Lily devs with insightful comments and analyses (similar to
http://news.lilynet.net/?The-LilyPond-Report-26#lilypond_output_analysis)
- be LilyPond's voice in the publishing industry, e.g. discuss
LilyPond's merits as compared to other notation programs.

Everyone's invited!
As far as i see, i should be able to add as many collaborators on
wordpress.com as i want.  Is there anyone for whom creating an account
on wordpress.com would be a problem?  It is very important for me that
everyone, especially active developers, would be able to participate.

woohoo!  LilyPond ftw!
Janek

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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Kieren MacMillan]

Hi Janek,

This is great!

Thanks,
Kieren.

p.s.

LilyPonderings

??


On 2013-May-31, at 17:09, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,
 
 this cannot wait any longer: there has to be a LilyPond blog.
 Unless someone has a better idea, i'm going to create a blog on
 WordPress.com tomorrow morning.
 
 Goals:
 - pick up the slack from The LilyPond Report,
 - provide Lily users with interesting news concerning LilyPond, music
 engraving etc.,
 - provide Lily devs with insightful comments and analyses (similar to
 http://news.lilynet.net/?The-LilyPond-Report-26#lilypond_output_analysis)
 - be LilyPond's voice in the publishing industry, e.g. discuss
 LilyPond's merits as compared to other notation programs.
 
 Everyone's invited!
 As far as i see, i should be able to add as many collaborators on
 wordpress.com as i want.  Is there anyone for whom creating an account
 on wordpress.com would be a problem?  It is very important for me that
 everyone, especially active developers, would be able to participate.
 
 woohoo!  LilyPond ftw!
 Janek
 
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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Stefaan Himpe]

This is great!


+1 I can't wait to see the first blog post :)


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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Tim McNamara]

On Jun 1, 2013, at 11:58 AM, Kieren MacMillan kieren_macmil...@sympatico.ca 
wrote:

 Hi Janek,
 
 This is great!
 
 Thanks,
 Kieren.
 
 p.s.
 
 LilyPonderings

That one gets my vote.
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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Jan Nieuwenhuizen]

Janek Warchoł writes:

 this cannot wait any longer: there has to be a LilyPond blog.
 Unless someone has a better idea, i'm going to create a blog on
 WordPress.com tomorrow morning.

Apropos...why wordpress.com?  Is that syndicatable?  We --the lilypond
project-- were invited to get syndicated on planet.linuxaudio.org.

We need something that provides rss feeds, and get anything lilypond
syndicated there, imvho.

Greetings, Jan

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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Nils Gey]

On Sat, 01 Jun 2013 21:09:49 +0200
Jan Nieuwenhuizen jann...@gnu.org wrote:

 Janek Warchoł writes:
 
  this cannot wait any longer: there has to be a LilyPond blog.
  Unless someone has a better idea, i'm going to create a blog on
  WordPress.com tomorrow morning.
 
 Apropos...why wordpress.com?  Is that syndicatable?  We --the lilypond
 project-- were invited to get syndicated on planet.linuxaudio.org.
 
 We need something that provides rss feeds, and get anything lilypond
 syndicated there, imvho.
 
 Greetings, Jan

Feel invited. But there is no inner circle you need no invitation to the 
planet.linuxaudio.org, just notify 
If you have a blog that deals (remotely) with Linux and music (this includes 
release announcements as well) it would be very nice to get you in there.

My advice is create a stable URL for any RSS feed you offer. For example 
www.lilypond.org/feed and give that to the world.
Use htaccess to make a non-transparent forward to the actual feed. This way, 
even if the original feed changes, all subscribers will be able to receive the 
blog.


More info, the original invitation:

You can read it by RSS or Atom directly:
http://planet.linuxaudio.org/rss20.xml
http://planet.linuxaudio.org/atom.xml

Or visit the webpage:
http://planet.linuxaudio.org/

If you have a blog or website about linux audio feel welcome to get your own 
news added to the planet. See this page: http://wiki.linuxaudio.org/wiki/planet 
or write a mail with your website/feed address to pla...@linuxaudio.org

Please forward and share this message to your peers and the Linux Audio 
community.


greetings,

Nils

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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Janek Warchoł]

Hello everybody,

thanks for your interest!  The blog is up and running at
http://lilypondblog.wordpress.com/ :)
It's quite possible that we may move it to some other location, but
right now i just want to write some posts.

It would be awesome if you joined me!  I'm generous and will give
contributor access (contributors can write drafts and submit them for
approval) to *everyone who asks*.  Everyone whom i know a bit better
will get author privileges - let's get the ball rolling!

cheers,
Janek

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Re: LilyPond blog! who wants to join?

[Shane Brandes]

Late to the game, But seconding LilyPonderings

S.


On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 9:27 PM, Janek Warchoł janek.lilyp...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hello everybody,

 thanks for your interest!  The blog is up and running at
 http://lilypondblog.wordpress.com/ :)
 It's quite possible that we may move it to some other location, but
 right now i just want to write some posts.

 It would be awesome if you joined me!  I'm generous and will give
 contributor access (contributors can write drafts and submit them for
 approval) to *everyone who asks*.  Everyone whom i know a bit better
 will get author privileges - let's get the ball rolling!

 cheers,
 Janek

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