Re: Emacs & Hebrew
On Sunday 22 February 2009, Dov Grobgeld wrote: > I agree that I don't believe chances are big of finding funding. And even > if there was funding I think there are more urgent BiDi issues like fixing > bugs in OpenOffice, Gtk, or KDE. > > So unless I sit at home rolling my thumbs for too long, I'm afraid that I > won't have time looking into it. > I guess you are right. Anyway, if you ever get to work on this sometime, call me up, maybe I can join the effort. --y signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Emacs & Hebrew
I agree that I don't believe chances are big of finding funding. And even if there was funding I think there are more urgent BiDi issues like fixing bugs in OpenOffice, Gtk, or KDE. So unless I sit at home rolling my thumbs for too long, I'm afraid that I won't have time looking into it. Regards, Dov 2009/2/21 Amit Aronovitch > 2009/2/20 Dov Grobgeld > >> There was a complex issue of emacs bidi that I tried to follow back in >> 2002. The mailing list still up at: >> >> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-bidi/ >> >> What I remember from the discussion was that fribidi and the Unicode Bidi >> algorithm were ruled out, because they were considered not to be >> "sufficient" for the emacs bidi needs. The discussion eventually reached >> such a technical complexity that I lost interest. In the end, appearently >> nothing came out of the effort and the bidi changes never made it into the >> trunk. >> >> It is probably a good idea to restart and try to copy the Gtk or the Qt >> behavior. Note that BiDi is a lot more than just the application of the >> algorithm. You also need to take into account things such as: >> >>- Cursor movement. >>- Internal splitting of the visual and the logical positions. >>- Hit detection for mouse down. >>- The fact that a continous logical selection may be one, two, or >>three visual selections. >>- How to deal with zero width characters. (Is there a >>view-control-code mode in emacs?). >> >> I'd be willing to do the work, if someone else would fund it. I'm leaving >> my current employment in another few months, and I'm currently looking for >> large and small jobs. >> > > I doubt that we can find serious funding for this issue - emacs is not very > fashionable these days and I don't know of any local organization that uses > it regularly as a major platform (although you can find Emacsers scattered > practically everywhere). > However, maybe we can try setting up a bounty, through Hamakor, or maybe > even through FSF. > > Having said that, I am certainly interested in this issue. I use emacs for > daily work, but switch to gedit whenever there's Hebrew involved - not very > convenient (but managable since work is in English)... > If someone else starts working on this, I'll follow closely and maybe give > a hand (if I find time). > > Amit > > ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Bank Leumi site finally works from Linux
> > > I spent a couple of hours calling Leumi and being transferred from one > > > person to another. Some of them knew nothing about the upgrade. Some > > > said everyone was using the same site. One tried to convince me that Here's the info as published by the bank itself: http://www.leumi.co.il/Leumi/ExternalArticle/1,6069,171561,00.html --y signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part. ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
Re: Emacs & Hebrew
2009/2/20 Dov Grobgeld > There was a complex issue of emacs bidi that I tried to follow back in > 2002. The mailing list still up at: > > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-bidi/ > > What I remember from the discussion was that fribidi and the Unicode Bidi > algorithm were ruled out, because they were considered not to be > "sufficient" for the emacs bidi needs. The discussion eventually reached > such a technical complexity that I lost interest. In the end, appearently > nothing came out of the effort and the bidi changes never made it into the > trunk. > > It is probably a good idea to restart and try to copy the Gtk or the Qt > behavior. Note that BiDi is a lot more than just the application of the > algorithm. You also need to take into account things such as: > >- Cursor movement. >- Internal splitting of the visual and the logical positions. >- Hit detection for mouse down. >- The fact that a continous logical selection may be one, two, or three >visual selections. >- How to deal with zero width characters. (Is there a view-control-code >mode in emacs?). > > I'd be willing to do the work, if someone else would fund it. I'm leaving > my current employment in another few months, and I'm currently looking for > large and small jobs. > I doubt that we can find serious funding for this issue - emacs is not very fashionable these days and I don't know of any local organization that uses it regularly as a major platform (although you can find Emacsers scattered practically everywhere). However, maybe we can try setting up a bounty, through Hamakor, or maybe even through FSF. Having said that, I am certainly interested in this issue. I use emacs for daily work, but switch to gedit whenever there's Hebrew involved - not very convenient (but managable since work is in English)... If someone else starts working on this, I'll follow closely and maybe give a hand (if I find time). Amit ___ Linux-il mailing list Linux-il@cs.huji.ac.il http://mailman.cs.huji.ac.il/mailman/listinfo/linux-il
