Re: Re[2]: diff within Lyx and OpenOffice with styles
At Fri, 2 Nov 2007 23:23:19 -0400, Alan G Isaac wrote: > > On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, Steve Litt apparently wrote: > > OpenOffice has the worst implementation of styles I've > > ever seen. They just magically change and disappear. > > Googling around, yours seems to be an uncommon experience. > However if you are importing Word documents, you may have > styles troubles. It may be uncommon but it's definitely one of the key reasons I gave up on OOo (despite wanting to like it). -- MC . -.. --- - ..-. .-. .- --. .- .- - ..- -.-. .-.. .- -.-. ..- -.- NL Professor Eric S Fraga, Chemical Engineering, University College London BF >++[>++>+++[<]>-]>++.>.<-.++.--.
Re: diff within Lyx and OpenOffice with styles
Marcelo Acuña wrote: hello, a question rised in a free soft forum. I propposed latex/lyx and another person question: Why lyx/latex and not open office with styles? What I said about it? Well, test both! Are they equally capable? I use LyX out of habit - openoffice did not exist when I first needed a word processor on linux. I haven't used openoffice that much, it is mostly a reader for the word & openoffice files I get in the mail. Still, I know that the typesetting capability of latex is tremendous. I wrote a book in LyX, and the publisher printed it the way latex laid it out. I sort of doubt that openoffice is _that_ good. It is word-compatible, and word isn't. Also, openoffice tries to break lines on screen the same way it does when printing. That means it has to use fast algorithms for line breaking, and it is hard to get those good enough for properly justified text. No surprise that openoffice defaults to ragged right then. But I see no reason to use lower quality in other writing, than I use for published books. LyX manages this, after all. Justified text is default, like it is in any book or newspaper. And the justification is good - there is not excessive white space between words, and not too many hyphens either. And the hyphens we get are correct for the language in use. Can openoffice do this? I don't know. If you want to know, render a few pages of justified text with openoffice and LyX. Then look at the results. Is the automatic hyphenation ok? Is the spacing between words ok in every line? Then make up your mind. Helge Hafting
Re: diff within Lyx and OpenOffice with styles
On Sunday 04 November 2007 12:45, Maria Gouskova wrote: > > > > Why lyx/latex and not open office with styles? > > > > > > OpenOffice has the worst implementation of styles > > > I've ever seen. They just > > > magically change and disappear. If you're doing more > > > than writing a letter, > > > I'd recommend against OpenOffice. > > > > > > SteveT > > > > I have equal experience ;-) > > Marcelo > > I initially tried NeoOffice (OpenOffice implementation for Macs) after > defecting from MSWord, but had to gave up after struggling with it for > a couple of weeks. Even Word has a better implementation of styles > than OO. I had some other problems with it--for example, it either > hides or doesn't provide formatting features that I use on a daily > basis. The inability to work with styles and the mystery behind > bibliography support were total deal busters for me. > > I still keep it on my computer to open old WordPerfect files. That's the perfect example of how lame OpenOffice is. I just opened my 1990 WordPerfect 5.1 authored book "Troubleshooting: Tools, Tips and Techniques" in OpenOffice. It got some of the formatting right, but then dropped ALL the styles of that heavily stylized book. If I wanted to change the appearance of every instance of the word Mental Model, I'd need to search and change them all rather than changing the character style MentalModel that I put in the original WP5.1 document. OpenOffice could have been a tremendous tool, but instead it's turned out to be a huge disappointment. LyX is so much cleaner. SteveT Steve Litt Books written in LyX: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting Troubleshooting: Just the Facts
Re: diff within Lyx and OpenOffice with styles
> > > Why lyx/latex and not open office with styles? > > > > OpenOffice has the worst implementation of styles > > I've ever seen. They just > > magically change and disappear. If you're doing more > > than writing a letter, > > I'd recommend against OpenOffice. > > > > SteveT > > I have equal experience ;-) > Marcelo I initially tried NeoOffice (OpenOffice implementation for Macs) after defecting from MSWord, but had to gave up after struggling with it for a couple of weeks. Even Word has a better implementation of styles than OO. I had some other problems with it--for example, it either hides or doesn't provide formatting features that I use on a daily basis. The inability to work with styles and the mystery behind bibliography support were total deal busters for me. I still keep it on my computer to open old WordPerfect files. Maria
Re: diff within Lyx and OpenOffice with styles
> > hello, > > a question rised in a free soft forum. I > > propposed latex/lyx and another person question: > > Why lyx/latex and not open office with styles? > > What I said about it? > > Anyhing but (La)TeX is awful at math typesetting. > > And I am not even talking about editing math, but > the printed result. > > Andre' > You are right. My question is for books of history and others. Thanks Marcelo Los referentes más importantes en compra/ venta de autos se juntaron: Demotores y Yahoo! Ahora comprar o vender tu auto es más fácil. Vistá ar.autos.yahoo.com/
Re: diff within Lyx and OpenOffice with styles
> > hello, > > a question rised in a free soft forum. I > > propposed latex/lyx and another person question: > > Why lyx/latex and not open office with styles? > > What I said about it? > > OpenOffice has the worst implementation of styles > I've ever seen. They just > magically change and disappear. If you're doing more > than writing a letter, > I'd recommend against OpenOffice. > > SteveT I have equal experience ;-) Marcelo Los referentes más importantes en compra/ venta de autos se juntaron: Demotores y Yahoo! Ahora comprar o vender tu auto es más fácil. Vistá ar.autos.yahoo.com/
Re: diff within Lyx and OpenOffice with styles
Olá Marcelo, One of the reasons that convinced me right away to learn and use LyX/LaTeX was the ability of changing the whole look of a text, no matter what length, with a single change of style. When you use a WYSIWYG application like Open Office, you may define styles for each component of a text, say paragraphs and titles for instance. But, if you want to change the global appearance of a text you still would have to change each of the styles, one by one. Even when you try to export them to a markup language format like XML, you either get the contents without any semantic distinction (this paragraph is a quotation, this is not) our you get styles and contents intermixed. With LyX or LaTeX, you can have one text and change its appearance as many times you want just by choosing different output style packages or by creating them yourself. What you get, really, is a markup language that, just as wisely used X/HTML, separates content from presentation and allows you to use the same content over and over in different contexts by just applying to it different style sheets (in the Web they're called CSS, Cascading Style Sheets). You just can't do that in any other WYSIWYG application, as far as I'm aware of. But, then again, if you just want to produce texts that will only be used once, say a letter or a school homework, then you should really use Open Office, which is an excellent application, solid, reliable (I never heard of disappearing styles), and extremely easy to use. LyX and LaTeX have many other advantages, but we could write a book just on it... HTH. Roberto -- On Fri, November 2, 2007 11:14 pm, Marcelo Acuña wrote: > hello, > a question rised in a free soft forum. I > propposed latex/lyx and another person question: > Why lyx/latex and not open office with styles? > What I said about it? > > Marcelo -Roberto Gorjão freelance designer and web designer personal site: www.castelosnoar.com PORTUGAL / BRAGA / PÓVOA DE LANHOSO
Re: diff within Lyx and OpenOffice with styles
On Fri, Nov 02, 2007 at 08:14:21PM -0300, Marcelo Acuña wrote: > hello, > a question rised in a free soft forum. I > propposed latex/lyx and another person question: > Why lyx/latex and not open office with styles? > What I said about it? Anyhing but (La)TeX is awful at math typesetting. And I am not even talking about editing math, but the printed result. Andre'
Re[2]: diff within Lyx and OpenOffice with styles
On Fri, 2 Nov 2007, Steve Litt apparently wrote: > OpenOffice has the worst implementation of styles I've > ever seen. They just magically change and disappear. Googling around, yours seems to be an uncommon experience. However if you are importing Word documents, you may have styles troubles. Cheers, Alan Isaac
Re: diff within Lyx and OpenOffice with styles
On Friday 02 November 2007 19:14, Marcelo Acuña wrote: > hello, > a question rised in a free soft forum. I > propposed latex/lyx and another person question: > Why lyx/latex and not open office with styles? > What I said about it? OpenOffice has the worst implementation of styles I've ever seen. They just magically change and disappear. If you're doing more than writing a letter, I'd recommend against OpenOffice. SteveT Steve Litt Books written in LyX: Troubleshooting Techniques of the Successful Technologist Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting Troubleshooting: Just the Facts
diff within Lyx and OpenOffice with styles
hello, a question rised in a free soft forum. I propposed latex/lyx and another person question: Why lyx/latex and not open office with styles? What I said about it? Marcelo Yahoo! Noticias Todo lo que tenés que saber sobre Elecciones Presidenciales 2007 encontralo en Yahoo! Noticias. http://ar.news.yahoo.com/elecciones2007/