Re: [Mailman-Users] Search and import

[Tom Chaudoir]

Wow. Great question. I'm new here and would love to know how
to add archives from my old list server to the Mailman
database.

My archive became searchable without my doing anything.
Google crawled it all by itself. Try copying the url of your
archive. Go to Google's advanced search. Look for a search
term in that url.

If it works, you can easily build a form that uses Google to
search your archive.

Best,
Tom
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| Is there some general faq about making mailman archives
searchable? I.e.
| usable.
|
|
|
| I have a bunch of emails from another system that I wish
to import to mailman.
|
| I don't think I have access to mailman directly as my
hosting company
| set it up for me. So any tips of how I send these mails
and maintain the
| date?
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| frodo$ grep Date: 07db3d2dcd9e7a11e06cb2f5b1ec4c84
| Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:05:46 +1000
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[Mailman-Users] Search and import

[Kai Hendry]

Is there some general faq about making mailman archives searchable? I.e.
usable.



I have a bunch of emails from another system that I wish to import to mailman.

I don't think I have access to mailman directly as my hosting company
set it up for me. So any tips of how I send these mails and maintain the
date?

frodo$ grep Date: 07db3d2dcd9e7a11e06cb2f5b1ec4c84
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:05:46 +1000
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Re: [Mailman-Users] How can our MM site admin see unadvertised lists via web interface?

[Steve Rifkin]

Even to the site admins?  Was it always like that?  I was chatting with another 
admin here today, and for some reason, we seem to remember the site admin being 
able to see all lists via the web interface... mind you, that's when we were 
running MM about 2-3 years ago, and we just might be remembering something else.

(We haven't run MM for a while now but are restarting the service and are 
trying 
to catch up.) 

Is there a reason why the design of Mailman doesn't allow for the web interface 
to display _all_ lists for a Mailman site admin only?  I would think that would 
be a good feature to have, in that, if I wanted to configure lists remotely as 
the site admin (as opposed to a list admin), I'd want to see the names of all 
the lists, advertised or not.

Thanks for your reply.

Steve

Brad Knowles wrote:

>
>   Via the web interface?  You don't.  The web interface only shows 
>the public lists.


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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error when sending to test-subscribe

[John Dennis]

On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 16:11 -0400, John Dennis wrote:
> ouch. you're building in the install area before you've installed,

This probably was not clear because I omitted an important but somewhat 
hidden fact, /usr/local/mailman is the default installation directory.

Had you typed "./configure --help" you would have seen this:

Installation directories:
  --prefix=PREFIX install architecture-independent files in PREFIX
  [/usr/local/mailman]

You could override the prefix or have picked another build area, but the
two should not be identical because they will collide.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] "Reply to all" with original destination and list destination

[Brad Knowles]

At 3:02 PM -0300 2005-08-09, Tiago Cruz wrote:

>  But, when user is not part of list, the "Reply to all" don't works...
>  the new message is formated only to list...
>
>  Have a way to fix this?

Did you check the Mailman FAQ Wizard at 
?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] How can our MM site admin see unadvertised lists via web interface?

[Brad Knowles]

At 12:31 PM -0400 2005-08-09, Steve Rifkin wrote:

>  If I am the site Mailman admin for my Mailman site, using the web
>  interface, how can I see the lists of all my site's lists, including
>  the unadvertised lists?

Via the web interface?  You don't.  The web interface only shows 
the public lists.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error when sending to test-subscribe

[John Dennis]

On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 14:24 -0500, Mike Hanby wrote:
> Ok, I reinstalled, here are the steps that I followed (btw I'm using
> Slackware 10).
> 
> As root, I created the mailman user and mailman group.  I have mailman
> temporarily set up to allow shell access (so I can install as mailman).

You do not need to be mailman to install mailman, to install mailman you
should be root. The mailman user and group will need to exist prior to
installation so that the installed components can be assigned that
identity.

> # cd /usr/local
> # tar -zxvf ./mailman-2.1.6.tgz
> # chgrp -R mailman ./mailman-2.1.6
> # chmod -R a+rx,g+ws ./mailman-2.1.6
> # ln -s ./mailman-2.1.6 ./mailman
> # su - mailman

None of this is necessary (except for untaring)

> % cd /usr/local/mailman
> % ./configure --with-mail-gid=nogroup
> % make install > ./mailman-install.log 2>&1

ouch. you're building in the install area before you've installed,
sounds like a recipe for disaster. :-) You've also installed as the user
mailman, not root.

Think of your build area as a "staging area" that is used to construct
what will be placed into the the install area by the root user. By
trying to point the install at your build you're going to step all over
what you've built as it installs. It's equivalent to trying to copy a
file onto itself :-(

> I still don't see the ./scripts/subscribe script.

The subscribe script is just a copy of the join script (unsubscribe is a
copy of leave). The part of install that copied the existing scripts
worked, the part that installed copies of join and leave did not. I'm
not sure why that part of the install failed but installing into the
build area and not being root during the install are likely culprits.
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Re: [Mailman-Users] Mailman error when sending to test-subscribe

[Mike Hanby]

Ok, I reinstalled, here are the steps that I followed (btw I'm using
Slackware 10).

As root, I created the mailman user and mailman group.  I have mailman
temporarily set up to allow shell access (so I can install as mailman).

# cd /usr/local
# tar -zxvf ./mailman-2.1.6.tgz
# chgrp -R mailman ./mailman-2.1.6
# chmod -R a+rx,g+ws ./mailman-2.1.6
# ln -s ./mailman-2.1.6 ./mailman
# ls -ld ./mailman*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 2005-08-09 11:51 mailman ->
./mailman-2.1.6/
drwxrwsrwx 13 joeblow mailman 976 2005-08-09 11:50 mailman-2.1.6/
# su - mailman

% cd /usr/local/mailman
% ./configure --with-mail-gid=nogroup
% make install > ./mailman-install.log 2>&1
( According to mailman-install.txt you don't need to run make by
itself, and they say to run make install as non root)

I still don't see the ./scripts/subscribe script.

Here's what's in that /usr/local/mailman/scripts
Makefile
Makefile.in*
bounces*
confirm*
driver*
join*
leave*
mailman*
owner*
paths.py
paths.pyc
post*
request*

Any suggestions?
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Cc: mailman-users@python.org
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On Mon, Aug 08, 2005 at 04:31:24PM -0500, Mike Hanby wrote:
> to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced
> (Command died with status 2: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman subscribe
> test". Command output: /usr/bin/python: can't open file
> '/usr/local/mailman/scripts/subscribe' )
>
>   I looked in /usr/local/mailman/scripts and sure enough that script
> isn't there!

It should be.  :-)

> MY CONFIGURATION:
> 
> I installed from source using the configure command:
> 
>   ./configure --with-mail-gid=nogroup

And then did 'make', and then as root 'make install'?

It looks like your installation isn't complete or the
/usr/local/mailman/scripts/subscribe file would exist.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Premature End of Script Headers (permissions error?)

[John Dennis]

On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 14:52 -0400, Chris Mueller wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm farily new to Linux administration, but my employer has just asked
> me to set up some mailing lists. As Mailman seems like a popular and
> robust piece of software, I decided to give it a try.
> 
> I have performed the installation of Mailman (on Redhat), but continue
> to receive 500 Internal Server Errors when I try to access anything in
> the Mailman cgi-bin, e.g. localhost/mailman/create. The Apache logs
> show two errors: "(13) Permission denied: exec of
> '/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create' failed." and "Premature end of
> script headers: create."

I think the path of least resistance is to install the pre-built mailman
rpm from Red Hat rather than trying to perform every piece of obscure
configuration yourself. The rpm package is designed to integrate with
existing Red Hat packages and configuration. If you do start with the
rpm it won't mean you'll be free from any configuration issues but
you'll avoid a number of headaches. If you do go this route please be
sure to follow the instructions
in /usr/share/doc/mailman-*/INSTALL.REDHAT.
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[Mailman-Users] Premature End of Script Headers (permissions error?)

[Chris Mueller]

Hi,

I'm farily new to Linux administration, but my employer has just asked
me to set up some mailing lists. As Mailman seems like a popular and
robust piece of software, I decided to give it a try.

I have performed the installation of Mailman (on Redhat), but continue
to receive 500 Internal Server Errors when I try to access anything in
the Mailman cgi-bin, e.g. localhost/mailman/create. The Apache logs
show two errors: "(13) Permission denied: exec of
'/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/create' failed." and "Premature end of
script headers: create."

I'm guessing that these errors are coming from a permissions problem
somewhere. I've tried reconfiguring Mailman with several cgi-gid's
(nobody, apache, mailman, www), but none of these group names changes
the error at all. What group should I be using, or how do I determine
what group I should use?

Thanks,
Chris
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[Mailman-Users] "Reply to all" with original destination and list destination

[Tiago Cruz]

Hello all!

I see reply_goes_to_list parameter, and I like of "This list" because a 
simple "reply" send e-mail always do list.

But, when user is not part of list, the "Reply to all" don't works... 
the new message is formated only to list...

Have a way to fix this?

Thanks a lot!
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[Mailman-Users] How can our MM site admin see unadvertised lists via web interface?

[Steve Rifkin]

If I am the site Mailman admin for my Mailman site, using the web interface, 
how 
can I see the lists of all my site's lists, including the unadvertised lists? 

I find that if I go to the MM admin page for my site, it says, "There currently 
are no publicly-advertised Mailman  mailing lists on mysite.jhu.edu.  To visit 
the administrators configuration page for an unadvertised list, open a URL 
similar to this one, but with a '/' and the list name appended."

However, there is at least one list on the site, but it is set not to 
'advertise'.  As the site admin, I can log into this specific unadvertised list 
from the web and make changes.

But, I have to know ahead of time that this list is actually on our MM server.  

So, as site admin, how can I use the web interface to see the entire set of 
lists, advertised and unadvertised, on my MM server via the web, so that I know 
what lists I have to choose from?  I thought I used to be able to do this on an 
old install of Mailman we used to have, but I can't seem to find any docs or 
FAQ 
entries that describe how to do it.

(I know I can get the list of all MM mail lists at the command line, but if I'm 
working remotely via the web, I'd like not to have to log into the MM server 
machine at a command prompt and have to run the MM commands just to see all the 
lists on our server.)

Thank in advance!

Steve

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect mail being received on mailman list

[John W. Baxter]

On 8/9/05 7:37 AM, "Richard Hobbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> We have routers setup in exim, in the following order:
> 
>  - mailman_router:
>  - dnslookup:
>  - system_aliases:
>  - userforward:
>  - spam_router:
>  - localuser:
> 
> Lets say our domain is "domain.com" and we have one mailing list named
> "fred".
> 
> When emails are sent through exim to the address "[EMAIL PROTECTED]",
> they are actually accepted by mailman and delivered to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]".
> This is obviously incorrect.
> 
> Should mailman be reconfigured to only accept mail for particular domains,
> or do I have the routers in a non-perfect order?
> 
> Any advice is very much appreciated :-)

There are more complete answers on the Exim-users list, which I happened to
read after Mailman-users this morning.  I would still reorder the routers as
below, but the mailman_router should also select for only the domains which
contain lists.  See exim-users.

You have the routers out of order.

You don't want to be doing "local" aliasing while messages for the world are
still being considered by the routers.  mailman_router after dnslookup
should do the trick, given your router list above.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Incorrect mail being received on mailman list

[John W. Baxter]

On 8/9/05 7:37 AM, "Richard Hobbs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> We have routers setup in exim, in the following order:
> 
>  - mailman_router:
>  - dnslookup:
>  - system_aliases:
>  - userforward:
>  - spam_router:
>  - localuser:
> 
> Lets say our domain is "domain.com" and we have one mailing list named
> "fred".
> 
> When emails are sent through exim to the address "[EMAIL PROTECTED]",
> they are actually accepted by mailman and delivered to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]".
> This is obviously incorrect.
> 
> Should mailman be reconfigured to only accept mail for particular domains,
> or do I have the routers in a non-perfect order?
> 
> Any advice is very much appreciated :-)

You have the routers out of order.

You don't want to be doing "local" aliasing while messages for the world are
still being considered by the routers.  mailman_router after dnslookup
should do the trick, given your router list above.

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Re: [Mailman-Users] check_perms errors

[John Dennis]

On Tue, 2005-08-09 at 09:30 -0600, Tim DeBoer wrote:
> timlist". Command output: Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the
> mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailnull", but the
> system's mail server executed the mail script as group "mailman".  Try
> tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mailnull", or
> re-run configure,  providing the command line option
> `--with-mail-gid=mailman'. )
> 
> I think I understand what it's telling me to do here, I just don't
> know where to change it. Should I make 'mailnull' group part of my
> "mail" group which also includes my postfix user?

No, you don't want to be changing group membership. You should do what
its telling you:

This assumes you built and installed mailman yourself, if you didn't you
can't perform this step.

cd to the mailman source root
./configure --with-mail-gid=mailman
make
make install

Don't forget to add any other configure options you used previously.
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[Mailman-Users] check_perms errors

[Tim DeBoer]

I've managed to get my web interface to mailman working, but... when I
run check_perms I see all this.
# bin/check_perms
Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "bin/check_perms", line 380, in ?
checkall()
  File "bin/check_perms", line 196, in checkall
os.path.walk(d, checkwalk, STATE)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/posixpath.py", line 290, in walk
walk(name, func, arg)
  File "/usr/local/lib/python2.3/posixpath.py", line 282, in walk
func(arg, top, names)
  File "bin/check_perms", line 110, in checkwalk
mode, gid = statgidmode(path)
  File "bin/check_perms", line 83, in statgidmode
stat = os.stat(path)
OSError: [Errno 62] Too many levels of symbolic links:
'/usr/local/mailman/cgi-bin/mailman'

Also, when I try to actually send an email to my list, I get this in my maillog
Aug  9 10:27:05 chad Mailman mail-wrapper: Group mismatch error. 
Mailman expected the mail wrapper script to be executed as group
"mailnull", but the system's mail server executed the mail script as
group "mailman".  Try tweaking the mail server to run the script as
group "mailnull", or re-run configure,  providing the command line
option `--with-mail-gid=mailman'.
Aug  9 10:27:05 chad postfix/local[95804]: 878207AB672:
to=<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, relay=local, delay=1, status=bounced
(Command died with status 2: "/usr/local/mailman/mail/mailman post
timlist". Command output: Group mismatch error.  Mailman expected the
mail wrapper script to be executed as group "mailnull", but the
system's mail server executed the mail script as group "mailman".  Try
tweaking the mail server to run the script as group "mailnull", or
re-run configure,  providing the command line option
`--with-mail-gid=mailman'. )

I think I understand what it's telling me to do here, I just don't
know where to change it. Should I make 'mailnull' group part of my
"mail" group which also includes my postfix user?

Thanks folks!

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[Mailman-Users] Incorrect mail being received on mailman list

[Richard Hobbs]

Hello,

We have routers setup in exim, in the following order:

 - mailman_router:
 - dnslookup:
 - system_aliases:
 - userforward:
 - spam_router:
 - localuser:

Lets say our domain is "domain.com" and we have one mailing list named
"fred".

When emails are sent through exim to the address "[EMAIL PROTECTED]",
they are actually accepted by mailman and delivered to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]".
This is obviously incorrect.

Should mailman be reconfigured to only accept mail for particular domains,
or do I have the routers in a non-perfect order?

Any advice is very much appreciated :-)

Thanks in advance,
Richard.

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[Mailman-Users] attachment files

[Jean-Philippe GIOLA]

Hi all!!

I would like to know, when a mail is sent to a list with a file in 
attachment, how mailman store it in the archives ?
i-e the directory name where the attach file is store is a random name ? 
(in 
archives/private/list_name/attachments/date/_*directory_name*_/file_name)

reguards

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Re: [Mailman-Users] arch does consider configuration c hanges for old posts

[Raphael Bossek]

> At 7:48 AM +0200 2005-08-09, Raphael Bossek wrote:
> 
> >  Does arch not consider configuration changes for old posts? Or did
> >  I something wrong? I'm running mailman 2.1.5
> 
>   Did you do an "arch --wipe" (or whatever it is), so as to 
> completely wipe out the previous archive and start over again with 
> the new configuration?
Yes I did. I've checked also if the HTML files gone.

I'm a little bit disapointed because I tried to investigate the problem
myself before writting here :( But it's not easy to follow the code and
determine when the GLOBAL_PIPELINE (Defaults.py) definitions are executed.

The MimeDel implementation (part of GLOBAL_PIPELINE) is responsible for
it. Setting debug output in did not shouw it will be run using `arch 
--wipe`.
Where to continue?

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Re: [Mailman-Users] Add the users' email adress in the footer

[Jim Tittsler]

On Aug 9, 2005, at 17:51, Travel in Spain wrote:

> I am using Mailman 2.1.5 and have enabled VERP. I am looking for a  
> solution
> to add the subscribers' email adress in the footer of my emails.  
> Any idea
> of the variable I can use? (such as %(real_name)s mailing list
> %(real_name)[EMAIL PROTECTED](host_name)s ... but for the email adress !)

If you set OWNERS_CAN_ENABLE_PERSONALIZATION = Yes in your mm_cfg.py,  
the non-digest options page will allow you to enable personalization  
for your list.  If you check the help for msg_header or msg_footer in  
that case, you will see you can use %(user_address)s or % 
(user_delivered_to) to get the user's email address in all lower case  
or case preserved form.  The %(user_optionsurl)s value to get a URL  
pointing directly to the subscriber's options/unsubscribe page can be  
very useful for subscribers not used to mailing lists.

This isn't directly related to VERP... but if you are already doing  
VERP in Mailman, the added impact of enabling list personalization is  
small.

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[Mailman-Users] Add the users' email adress in the footer

[Travel in Spain]

I am using Mailman 2.1.5 and have enabled VERP. I am looking for a solution 
to add the subscribers' email adress in the footer of my emails. Any idea 
of the variable I can use? (such as %(real_name)s mailing list 
%(real_name)[EMAIL PROTECTED](host_name)s ... but for the email adress !)
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Re: [Mailman-Users] arch does consider configuration changes for old posts

[Brad Knowles]

At 7:48 AM +0200 2005-08-09, Raphael Bossek wrote:

>  Does arch not consider configuration changes for old posts? Or did
>  I something wrong? I'm running mailman 2.1.5

Did you do an "arch --wipe" (or whatever it is), so as to 
completely wipe out the previous archive and start over again with 
the new configuration?

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