Re: [Mailman-Users] best way to reconfirm a list

[Mark Sapiro]

On 05/06/2014 06:06 AM, Richard Shetron wrote:
> 
> The original lists are old enough to not have been confirmed.  The goal
> would be to send a confirmation email to everyone on the list and
> unsubscribe anyone who does not re-confirm within a reasonable time, say
> 1 week.


You would have to do that manually.

-- 
Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] best way to reconfirm a list

[Richard Shetron]

That is correct.  The lists are current news announcements so only the
list owner posts to the list.  The sample headers I got look legit as
far as I can tell.  They redacted all the email/destination information
that would id the receiving system/email.

The original lists are old enough to not have been confirmed.  The goal
would be to send a confirmation email to everyone on the list and
unsubscribe anyone who does not re-confirm within a reasonable time, say
1 week.

On 5/6/2014 12:59 AM, Peter Shute wrote:
> Keith Bierman wrote:
>>
>> ​But since the OP said
>> ".  New
>> subscribers are asked to subscribe to a yahoo group instead."
>>
>> I assumed it was really Yahoo (perhaps under a mask as mail 
>> provider for some other named service, ala comcast ;>) who 
>> was doing the blacklisting...
>> who else would be recommending yahoo groups as an alternative?
> 
> I took that to mean that these lists are no longer accepting new members, and 
> that prospective members are being advised to join some particular yahoo 
> groups instead. I.e. they're gradually migrating to yahoo groups.
> 
> Peter Shute
> --
> Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
> Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
> Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
> Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
> Unsubscribe: 
> https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/guest2%40sgeinc.com
> 
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] best way to reconfirm a list

[Peter Shute]

Keith Bierman wrote:
> 
> ​But since the OP said
> ".  New
> subscribers are asked to subscribe to a yahoo group instead."
> 
> I assumed it was really Yahoo (perhaps under a mask as mail 
> provider for some other named service, ala comcast ;>) who 
> was doing the blacklisting...
> who else would be recommending yahoo groups as an alternative?

I took that to mean that these lists are no longer accepting new members, and 
that prospective members are being advised to join some particular yahoo groups 
instead. I.e. they're gradually migrating to yahoo groups.

Peter Shute
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] best way to reconfirm a list

[Keith Bierman]

>
>
> ​...
>
>
> I don't discount this possibility, but the rejections just go back to
> the Mailman server and the list, and reports of the rejections go to the
> people publishing the DMARC p=reject policy for their domain. I don't
> see how any of this winds up being delivered to some third party's spam
> trap address.
>
> I.e., the people (or bots) at Yahoo receiving reports of your DMARC
> failures might decide to take some action against your server, but that
> would be Yahoo blacklisting you for excessive DMARC failures
> "impersonating" their domain. It wouldn't be maps saying you're sending
> mail to their spam traps.


​But since the OP said
".  New
subscribers are asked to subscribe to a yahoo group instead."

I assumed it was really Yahoo (perhaps under a mask as mail provider for
some other named service, ala comcast ;>) who was doing the blacklisting...
who else would be recommending yahoo groups as an alternative?​
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] best way to reconfirm a list

[Mark Sapiro]

On 05/05/2014 08:43 PM, Keith Bierman wrote:
> 
> I naively thought that
> a formerly well functioning list having a number of yahoo members might
> have resulted in enough rejection/bounces that some "anti-spam bot"
> might declare the list itself forbidden ;>​


I don't discount this possibility, but the rejections just go back to
the Mailman server and the list, and reports of the rejections go to the
people publishing the DMARC p=reject policy for their domain. I don't
see how any of this winds up being delivered to some third party's spam
trap address.

I.e., the people (or bots) at Yahoo receiving reports of your DMARC
failures might decide to take some action against your server, but that
would be Yahoo blacklisting you for excessive DMARC failures
"impersonating" their domain. It wouldn't be maps saying you're sending
mail to their spam traps.

-- 
Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] best way to reconfirm a list

[Keith Bierman]

On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 05/05/2014 08:33 PM, Keith Bierman wrote:
> >
> > Wouldn't this be likely to be another DMARC victim?
>
>
> Perhaps you can imagine such a scenario. I don't see it.
>

​I defer to your much greater wisdom in the area. I naively thought that a
formerly well functioning list having a number of yahoo members might have
resulted in enough rejection/bounces that some "anti-spam bot" might
declare the list itself forbidden ;>​

>
>
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] best way to reconfirm a list

[Keith Bierman]

On Mon, May 5, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Mark Sapiro  wrote:

> On 05/05/2014 06:47 PM, Richard Shetron wrote:
> > I looked through the list admin manual and didn't see anything about
> > reconfirming a list.  Is there an easy way to have mailman reconfirm a
> list?
>
>
> What does "reconfirm a list" mean to you?
> ​...
> > traps, but neither list has been added to in at least 3+ years.  New
> > subscribers are asked to subscribe to a yahoo group instead.
>
>
> There are other ways your list can hit a spam trap, e.g. a non-member
> post spoofs the spam trap address and thee list sends an autoresponse.


Wouldn't this be likely to be another DMARC victim?
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] best way to reconfirm a list

[Mark Sapiro]

On 05/05/2014 08:33 PM, Keith Bierman wrote:
> 
> Wouldn't this be likely to be another DMARC victim? 


Perhaps you can imagine such a scenario. I don't see it.

-- 
Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

Re: [Mailman-Users] best way to reconfirm a list

[Mark Sapiro]

On 05/05/2014 06:47 PM, Richard Shetron wrote:
> I looked through the list admin manual and didn't see anything about
> reconfirming a list.  Is there an easy way to have mailman reconfirm a list?


What does "reconfirm a list" mean to you?

Do you perhaps mean get a list of the list's members? If so, see the FAQ
at .


> I have a list that has been in use for 5+years and all of a sudden maps
> is saying I'm hitting a spam trap.  The list has not been added to in at
> least 3+years.  Actually I have 2 lists that maps claims is hitting spam
> traps, but neither list has been added to in at least 3+ years.  New
> subscribers are asked to subscribe to a yahoo group instead.


There are other ways your list can hit a spam trap, e.g. a non-member
post spoofs the spam trap address and thee list sends an autoresponse.

-- 
Mark Sapiro The highway is for gamblers,
San Francisco Bay Area, Californiabetter use your sense - B. Dylan
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org

[Mailman-Users] best way to reconfirm a list

[Richard Shetron]

I looked through the list admin manual and didn't see anything about
reconfirming a list.  Is there an easy way to have mailman reconfirm a list?

I have a list that has been in use for 5+years and all of a sudden maps
is saying I'm hitting a spam trap.  The list has not been added to in at
least 3+years.  Actually I have 2 lists that maps claims is hitting spam
traps, but neither list has been added to in at least 3+ years.  New
subscribers are asked to subscribe to a yahoo group instead.
--
Mailman-Users mailing list Mailman-Users@python.org
https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/mailman-users
Mailman FAQ: http://wiki.list.org/x/AgA3
Security Policy: http://wiki.list.org/x/QIA9
Searchable Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/mailman-users%40python.org/
Unsubscribe: 
https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/mailman-users/archive%40jab.org