Re: It's Release Notes time!
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Andre Klapper wrote: > Am Donnerstag, den 30.09.2010, 15:00 +0300 schrieb Zeeshan Ali > (Khattak): >> I tried my best to help you out in this regard while fixing all the >> critical issues in rygel and the deps in time for GNOME 2.32. What do >> I get in return? You completely ignored my project in the release >> notes rather than helping me out by putting the features I put-up on >> the wiki that rygel adds to GNOME, in nice words for users. > > Can you please change your tone? > I'm a bit tired of hurt egos. I already apologized Paul for being rude on IRC and here is another apology. For the record, This was all a misunderstanding between me and Paul and that he had very little time to write the release notes. -- Regards, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) FSF member#5124 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: It's Release Notes time!
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote: > On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 15:00 +0300, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: >> Hi, >> >> On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Paul Cutler wrote: >> > Can you feel it in the air? It's that time when we start writing >> > release notes to tell our users and developers what's coming in the next >> > GNOME release! >> > >> > Thank you to the Anjuta team for adding some bullet points about what's >> > coming in GNOME 2.32. >> > >> > Now I need YOUR help! >> >> I tried my best to help you out in this regard while fixing all the >> critical issues in rygel and the deps in time for GNOME 2.32. What do >> I get in return? You completely ignored my project in the release >> notes rather than helping me out by putting the features I put-up on >> the wiki that rygel adds to GNOME, in nice words for users. > > To be honest, Rygel in 2.32 isn't the experience we want to offer to > users. We still have separate capplets for Rygel, gnome-user-share, and > vino, and we'd want to merge all that under one panel for 3.0. > > Given the user experience, I don't feel so bad that it was ignored from > the release notes this time, and we can offer a much better user > experience when we get to 3.0, and publicise it. /me nods. Hopefully we managed to do all those things in time for GNOME 3.0. -- Regards, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) FSF member#5124 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: It's Release Notes time!
Hi, On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Paul Cutler wrote: > Can you feel it in the air? It's that time when we start writing > release notes to tell our users and developers what's coming in the next > GNOME release! > > Thank you to the Anjuta team for adding some bullet points about what's > coming in GNOME 2.32. > > Now I need YOUR help! I tried my best to help you out in this regard while fixing all the critical issues in rygel and the deps in time for GNOME 2.32. What do I get in return? You completely ignored my project in the release notes rather than helping me out by putting the features I put-up on the wiki that rygel adds to GNOME, in nice words for users. -- Regards, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) FSF member#5124 -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: It's Release Notes time!
On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 15:00 +0300, Zeeshan Ali (Khattak) wrote: > Hi, > > On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 9:23 PM, Paul Cutler wrote: > > Can you feel it in the air? It's that time when we start writing > > release notes to tell our users and developers what's coming in the next > > GNOME release! > > > > Thank you to the Anjuta team for adding some bullet points about what's > > coming in GNOME 2.32. > > > > Now I need YOUR help! > > I tried my best to help you out in this regard while fixing all the > critical issues in rygel and the deps in time for GNOME 2.32. What do > I get in return? You completely ignored my project in the release > notes rather than helping me out by putting the features I put-up on > the wiki that rygel adds to GNOME, in nice words for users. To be honest, Rygel in 2.32 isn't the experience we want to offer to users. We still have separate capplets for Rygel, gnome-user-share, and vino, and we'd want to merge all that under one panel for 3.0. Given the user experience, I don't feel so bad that it was ignored from the release notes this time, and we can offer a much better user experience when we get to 3.0, and publicise it. Cheers -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: It's Release Notes time!
Am Donnerstag, den 30.09.2010, 15:00 +0300 schrieb Zeeshan Ali (Khattak): > I tried my best to help you out in this regard while fixing all the > critical issues in rygel and the deps in time for GNOME 2.32. What do > I get in return? You completely ignored my project in the release > notes rather than helping me out by putting the features I put-up on > the wiki that rygel adds to GNOME, in nice words for users. Can you please change your tone? I'm a bit tired of hurt egos. Thanks in advance, andre -- mailto:ak...@gmx.net | failed http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: It's Release Notes time!
Hi! > Do we have a plan? Has the Release Team documented this anywhere? I > can't write about it if I don't know about it. :) Such a plan would probably not be worth the paper it is written on. Sure, there will be 2.32.x releases until GNOME 3.0 is released but I doubt that any module maintainer will have time to do anything afterwards. If patches accumulate in bugzilla, people might make other release but that's not much more than bringing distro patches upstream. Note also that the LTS releases of distributions all use 2.30.x anyway and it's very unlikely that they update to 2.32.x. Overall, the non-OpenGL parts will have 3.0 releases so these people aren't required to run GNOME 2.32 but can switch to 3.0 instead (without much 3.0 feeling though...) Regards, Johannes -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: It's Release Notes time!
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 18:19 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote: > Paul: > > > This is the last (we promise!) release of the GNOME 2.x series - let's > > document the release as best we can. > > > > Add your news here: > > http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointThirtyone/ReleaseNotes > > Since many distributions ship GNOME 2.x in Long Term Supported releases, > it might make sense to continue releasing updated modules with bugfixes > and its possible that some GNOME 2.x modules may continue to be > maintained (such as those needed to support non-OpenGL users). > > Therefore, it might not make sense to say that there will be no more > GNOME 2.x releases. If, at some point in the future, there are enough > important accumulated bugfixes in GNOME 2.x, it might make sense to > do more GNOME 2.x releases. Just to help ensure that distros have > available the highest quality GNOME 2.x code with the latest security > patches, etc. Last 2.x release, but not last 2.32.y release? I'd assume accumulated bugfixes would just warrant another few micro releases, as they always have done. Philip > Brian > ___ > desktop-devel-list mailing list > desktop-devel-l...@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/desktop-devel-list signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: It's Release Notes time!
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 18:36 -0500, Brian Cameron wrote: > > However we want to handle it, I think we should be clear in the > release > notes that we have a plan in place for managing releasing ongoing > support for GNOME 2.x, at least for a reasonable period of time. > People reading our release notes should be assured that if their > distro > ends up providing only GNOME 2.x for a while, that we will continue to > support them. Do we have a plan? Has the Release Team documented this anywhere? I can't write about it if I don't know about it. :) Paul -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: It's Release Notes time!
Last 2.x release, but not last 2.32.y release? I'd assume accumulated bugfixes would just warrant another few micro releases, as they always have done. However we want to handle it, I think we should be clear in the release notes that we have a plan in place for managing releasing ongoing support for GNOME 2.x, at least for a reasonable period of time. People reading our release notes should be assured that if their distro ends up providing only GNOME 2.x for a while, that we will continue to support them. We want to avoid distros patching GNOME 2.32 and not providing those patch fixes upstream, for example. If we give the impression that there will be no more releases, distros might not let us know about bugs or fixes they have. Also, it's hard to predict the future, so making proclamations about the last release only beg contradiction later on. Perhaps we could word it in a way that highlights that we do not have any future planned releases, but avoid proclaiming that we will never do something. Brian -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
Re: It's Release Notes time!
Paul: This is the last (we promise!) release of the GNOME 2.x series - let's document the release as best we can. Add your news here: http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointThirtyone/ReleaseNotes Since many distributions ship GNOME 2.x in Long Term Supported releases, it might make sense to continue releasing updated modules with bugfixes and its possible that some GNOME 2.x modules may continue to be maintained (such as those needed to support non-OpenGL users). Therefore, it might not make sense to say that there will be no more GNOME 2.x releases. If, at some point in the future, there are enough important accumulated bugfixes in GNOME 2.x, it might make sense to do more GNOME 2.x releases. Just to help ensure that distros have available the highest quality GNOME 2.x code with the latest security patches, etc. Brian -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
It's Release Notes time!
Can you feel it in the air? It's that time when we start writing release notes to tell our users and developers what's coming in the next GNOME release! Thank you to the Anjuta team for adding some bullet points about what's coming in GNOME 2.32. Now I need YOUR help! What new features does your application have? What bug fixes? What new libraries have we deprecated for the GNOME 3.0 release next year? What are the cool new things developers need to know about GNOME's development platform to write awesome apps in GNOME 3.0? What's new in accessibility? This is the last (we promise!) release of the GNOME 2.x series - let's document the release as best we can. Add your news here: http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointThirtyone/ReleaseNotes Thanks in advance for the help! Paul PS - I've branched 2.32 in the release-notes module in GNOME git. -- marketing-list mailing list marketing-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/marketing-list
