Re: [MBZ] OT Tesla Semi, an electric big rig truck with 500-mile range, rolls into reality
It seems that Walmart has already placed an order for five of them - can't be totally out of the range of reality, they'd only order one if that were the case? On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > When a car costs 2/3 as much as a nicely appointed owner-operator grade > conventional tractor, a super-cool tractor built like that car will cost a > lot. > And then there's the cost of duplicating 80 gallons of diesel fuel in > lithium battery form. If they say $400k, I'll take their word for it. > And like somebody (Fmiser?) said earlier, 80 gallons a day is short-haul, > not OTR, fuel consumption. > Mitch. > > On November 17, 2017 at 2:19 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > > > > > > https://www.technologyreview.com/the-download/609514/ > teslas-all-electric-semi-sounds-amazing-but-how-much-will-it-cost-exactly > > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > -- OK Don *“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain "There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves." WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2017 Subaru Legacy, 30 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Tesla Semi, an electric big rig truck with 500-mile range, rolls into reality
When a car costs 2/3 as much as a nicely appointed owner-operator grade conventional tractor, a super-cool tractor built like that car will cost a lot. And then there's the cost of duplicating 80 gallons of diesel fuel in lithium battery form. If they say $400k, I'll take their word for it. And like somebody (Fmiser?) said earlier, 80 gallons a day is short-haul, not OTR, fuel consumption. Mitch. > On November 17, 2017 at 2:19 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes > wrote: > > > https://www.technologyreview.com/the-download/609514/teslas-all-electric-semi-sounds-amazing-but-how-much-will-it-cost-exactly > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Tesla Semi, an electric big rig truck with 500-mile range, rolls into reality
https://www.technologyreview.com/the-download/609514/teslas-all-electric-semi-sounds-amazing-but-how-much-will-it-cost-exactly --FT On 11/17/17 1:14 PM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote: Max wrote: https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2017/11/16/tesla-semi-electric-big-rig-truck-rolls-into-reality/873162001/ More significantly for trucking companies, Musk said that a standard diesel truck would be 20% more expensive to operate than a Tesla truck: $1.26 per mile compared to $1.51 per mile. Does that price per mile include battery replacement? Or are they ignoring that elephant in the closet? ...Tesla Trucks can hit 65 mph vs. 45 mph up a 5% grade compared to a standard truck, There is no "standard" truck! Average can be approximately determined, but without mentioning the engine, transmission, and differential of the "standard" truck we really can't compare. Then the biggest applause and hoots accompanied this stat: a 500-mile range, at maximum weight at highway speeds. Ugh! That isn't even a full "shift". I drove one truck that only had 200 gallons. It was a day-cab used for local work only and the range was still annoying. On a truck used over-the-road, I found less than 1000 mile range to be bothersome. The article then says "charging to 80% would take only 30 minutes". With that, it _might_ work. HoS (Hours of Service) rules say a 30 min break is required within the 11 hour driving shift. But that break would have to be taken at a charging station. And a full charge would take longer and also require a charging station, presumably while the drive is off-duty. It's hard enough to find a parking spot for a truck that doesn't need to be recharged for the next driving shift. The article also says, "drive the cost-per-mile below that of today’s gas-powered machines". There are effectively zero gasoline powered class 8 trucks. Maybe a few with spark engines running on propane... Makes me wonder about the accuracy of the rest of it, though elsewhere it refers to diesel. And the name bugs me. "semi" is in reference to tho "semi-trailer" that most truck and trailer rigs in the US use. With the wheels at the far aft end, approx 50% of the trailer weight is on the truck, thus making it not really a full trailer, just a partial, incomplete, or semi-trailer. I think the Nikola One is a better approach. Using hydrogen it can be "recharged" about as quickly as a diesel tank can be filled. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Tesla Semi, an electric big rig truck with 500-mile range, rolls into reality
> Max wrote: > https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2017/11/16/tesla-semi-electric-big-rig-truck-rolls-into-reality/873162001/ > > More significantly for trucking companies, Musk said that a > standard diesel truck would be 20% more expensive to operate > than a Tesla truck: $1.26 per mile compared to $1.51 per mile. Does that price per mile include battery replacement? Or are they ignoring that elephant in the closet? > ...Tesla Trucks can hit 65 mph vs. 45 mph up a 5% grade compared > to a standard truck, There is no "standard" truck! Average can be approximately determined, but without mentioning the engine, transmission, and differential of the "standard" truck we really can't compare. > Then the biggest applause and hoots accompanied this stat: a > 500-mile range, at maximum weight at highway speeds. Ugh! That isn't even a full "shift". I drove one truck that only had 200 gallons. It was a day-cab used for local work only and the range was still annoying. On a truck used over-the-road, I found less than 1000 mile range to be bothersome. The article then says "charging to 80% would take only 30 minutes". With that, it _might_ work. HoS (Hours of Service) rules say a 30 min break is required within the 11 hour driving shift. But that break would have to be taken at a charging station. And a full charge would take longer and also require a charging station, presumably while the drive is off-duty. It's hard enough to find a parking spot for a truck that doesn't need to be recharged for the next driving shift. The article also says, "drive the cost-per-mile below that of today’s gas-powered machines". There are effectively zero gasoline powered class 8 trucks. Maybe a few with spark engines running on propane... Makes me wonder about the accuracy of the rest of it, though elsewhere it refers to diesel. And the name bugs me. "semi" is in reference to tho "semi-trailer" that most truck and trailer rigs in the US use. With the wheels at the far aft end, approx 50% of the trailer weight is on the truck, thus making it not really a full trailer, just a partial, incomplete, or semi-trailer. I think the Nikola One is a better approach. Using hydrogen it can be "recharged" about as quickly as a diesel tank can be filled. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Tesla Semi, an electric big rig truck with 500-mile range, rolls into reality
Interesting. I hope it works out. Looks like he is incorporating solar power into the charging network which would remove the displaced emissions aspect of electrics. --R On 11/17/17 7:32 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote: https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2017/11/16/tesla-semi-electric-big-rig-truck-rolls-into-reality/873162001/ ..."Even with 80,000 pounds it'll get to 60 mph in 20 seconds," Musk said, hopping out of a truck. "What about up a hill?" More significantly for trucking companies, Musk said that a standard diesel truck would be 20% more expensive to operate than a Tesla truck: $1.26 per mile compared to $1.51 per mile. ...Tesla Trucks can hit 65 mph vs. 45 mph up a 5% grade compared to a standard truck, he said. Then the biggest applause and hoots accompanied this stat: a 500-mile range, at maximum weight at highway speeds." - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT Tesla Semi, an electric big rig truck with 500-mile range, rolls into reality
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2017/11/16/tesla-semi-electric-big-rig-truck-rolls-into-reality/873162001/ ..."Even with 80,000 pounds it'll get to 60 mph in 20 seconds," Musk said, hopping out of a truck. "What about up a hill?" More significantly for trucking companies, Musk said that a standard diesel truck would be 20% more expensive to operate than a Tesla truck: $1.26 per mile compared to $1.51 per mile. ...Tesla Trucks can hit 65 mph vs. 45 mph up a 5% grade compared to a standard truck, he said. Then the biggest applause and hoots accompanied this stat: a 500-mile range, at maximum weight at highway speeds." - Max Charleston SC ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com