Re: [MBZ] 220D
Way too much crack, horrible aftermarket seat covers. Sent from my iPhone > On May 9, 2024, at 11:25 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/412594924968812/ > > AZBob > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D
I wonder if AT was an extra cost option back in 1969... Offer $5k Steam clean interior Flip on BAT for $10k. On Thu, May 9, 2024 at 12:45 PM Allan Streib via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Interesting if it's not rusted. Manual transmission, no AC, velour seat > panels. Grey market car? Interior needs a little TLC. > > On Thu, May 9, 2024, at 11:24, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: > > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/412594924968812/ > > > > AZBob > > > > > > ___ > > http://www.okiebenz.com > > > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D
Interesting if it's not rusted. Manual transmission, no AC, velour seat panels. Grey market car? Interior needs a little TLC. On Thu, May 9, 2024, at 11:24, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/412594924968812/ > > AZBob > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D With a 240D Engine, Tranny Swap.....What?
> I didn’t think those things would fit in there. A 250 is an I6. I'm sure any I4 could fit instead. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D With a 240D Engine, Tranny Swap.....What?
250…sorry, I miss read. Sent from Mail for Windows From: Robert RentfroSent: Thursday, December 28, 2023 8:19 AMTo: Buggered Benzmail via MercedesSubject: 220D With a 240D Engine, Tranny Swap.What? https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/787536163209332/ I didn’t think those things would fit in there. AZBob Sent from Mail for Windows ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D
That’s the sort of car that would be fun to build a rat rod using newer drivetrain and suspension and stuff. Lot of work but could be cool. --FT Sent from iFōn > On Nov 24, 2023, at 1:42 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > Look at this post on Facebook > https://www.facebook.com/share/jywqTaJ1AiRRbwwZ/?mibextid=79PoIi > > AZBob > > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D
Looks like a stick shift in the pics. Michael E. Esh > On Nov 24, 2023, at 1:58 PM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes > wrote: > > I think they’re better off sending that thing to the crusher, unfortunately. > > -D > >> On Nov 24, 2023, at 1:41 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> Look at this post on Facebook >> https://www.facebook.com/share/jywqTaJ1AiRRbwwZ/?mibextid=79PoIi >> >> AZBob >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D
I think they’re better off sending that thing to the crusher, unfortunately. -D > On Nov 24, 2023, at 1:41 PM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > Look at this post on Facebook > https://www.facebook.com/share/jywqTaJ1AiRRbwwZ/?mibextid=79PoIi > > AZBob > > > Sent from my iPhone > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D 4 speed manual 1970 Mercedes-Benz Mercedes-Benz 300 D Sedan 4D, $12, 000
Might be worth it with either/and a sunroof and power windows. On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 10:55 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes < mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote: > Beautiful car, 70s realtor spec > > https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/266370689024986 > > -- > --FT > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D
Wow looks nice and probably not an unreasonable ask in the condition and with the miles. Was a basic car in its day but I would think it's getting hard to find nice examples of these. Too bad it's an automatic. Allan On Sun, Aug 15, 2021, at 11:34 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > https://rockies.craigslist.org/cto/d/salida-1973-mercedes-220d-diesel-sedan/7362179973.html > > > > > > > > Bob Rentfro > > Nuclear Operations Training Instructor > > 5801 South Wintersburg Road, Tonopah, AZ 85354-7529, M.S. 7896 > > Office 623.393.6372 Cell 623-695-2072 > > > > --- NOTICE --- > > > > This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain > > confidential, privileged or proprietary information. If you have received > > it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original > > and any copy or printout. Unintended recipients are prohibited from making > > any other use of this e-mail. Although we have taken reasonable > > precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this e-mail, we accept no > > liability for any loss or damage arising from the use of this e-mail or > > attachments, or for any delay or errors or omissions in the contents which > > result from e-mail transmission. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D
If it had a manual transmission, maybe... Max Dillon Charleston SC Aug 15, 2021 12:13:53 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes : > Nice but way too much money > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 15, 2021, at 10:35 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> >>> >>> >>> https://rockies.craigslist.org/cto/d/salida-1973-mercedes-220d-diesel-sedan/7362179973.html >> >> >>> >>> >>> Bob Rentfro >>> Nuclear Operations Training Instructor >>> 5801 South Wintersburg Road, Tonopah, AZ 85354-7529, M.S. 7896 >>> Office 623.393.6372 Cell 623-695-2072 >>> >>> --- NOTICE --- >>> >>> This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain >>> confidential, privileged or proprietary information. If you have received >>> it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original >>> and any copy or printout. Unintended recipients are prohibited from making >>> any other use of this e-mail. Although we have taken reasonable >>> precautions to ensure no viruses are present in this e-mail, we accept no >>> liability for any loss or damage arising from the use of this e-mail or >>> attachments, or for any delay or errors or omissions in the contents which >>> result from e-mail transmission. >> ___ >> http://www.okiebenz.com >> >> To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ >> >> To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: >> http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com >> > > > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D
Nice but way too much money Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 15, 2021, at 10:35 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes > wrote: > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > >> >> >> https://rockies.craigslist.org/cto/d/salida-1973-mercedes-220d-diesel-sedan/7362179973.html > > >> >> >> Bob Rentfro >> Nuclear Operations Training Instructor >> 5801 South Wintersburg Road, Tonopah, AZ 85354-7529, M.S. 7896 >> Office 623.393.6372 Cell 623-695-2072 >> >> --- NOTICE --- >> >> This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain >> confidential, privileged or proprietary information. If you have received >> it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original >> and any copy or printout. Unintended recipients are prohibited from making >> any other use of this e-mail. Although we have taken reasonable precautions >> to ensure no viruses are present in this e-mail, we accept no liability for >> any loss or damage arising from the use of this e-mail or attachments, or >> for any delay or errors or omissions in the contents which result from >> e-mail transmission. > ___ > http://www.okiebenz.com > > To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ > > To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: > http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com > ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220d
On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 20:28:10 -0500 "Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes"wrote: > Mercedes 220d parts > > https://wichita.craigslist.org/cto/d/mercedes-220d-parts/6299550634.html "body wrecked left side could be fixed" but no pictures of the left side. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting
On 25/12/2011 9:46 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: Looks nice in red. Maybe someone will buy it for Christmas! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2011, at 11:42 PM, Mike Eshmichael...@me.com wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300639635101#v4-47 Michael E. Esh Someone paid about $1200 for this thing. Must be the manual tranny that makes it desirable with no engine. Did you note the photo with all the rust? Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting
I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be had reasonably. Is a 615 engine so difficult to find? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617? On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rick Knoble wrote: 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115 tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine bay. Mitch. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting
I know of an even better 617 engine itching to go for another run of 250K miles. On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be had reasonably. Is a 615 engine so difficult to find? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617? On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rick Knoble wrote: 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115 tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine bay. Mitch. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting
Won't fit I know of an even better 617 engine itching to go for another run of 250K miles. On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be had reasonably. Is a 615 engine so difficult to find? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617? On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rick Knoble wrote: 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115 tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine bay. Mitch. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting
The 1976 300D was a 115 with a 617 clay On Dec 26, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Won't fit I know of an even better 617 engine itching to go for another run of 250K miles. On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be had reasonably. Is a 615 engine so difficult to find? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617? On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rick Knoble wrote: 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115 tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine bay. Mitch. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting
With the radiator support moved forward, and a definate pointy nose (compared to the earlier W115 chassis). Hood and fenders are different as well. On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 6:05 PM, clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: The 1976 300D was a 115 with a 617 clay On Dec 26, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Won't fit -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting
Yes, it was. It (617.916) is a different subtype than the 617 in the 123 (617.912). Different blocks. Still won't fit without major modifications. The 1976 300D was a 115 with a 617 clay On Dec 26, 2011, at 3:57 PM, Dieselhead wrote: Won't fit I know of an even better 617 engine itching to go for another run of 250K miles. On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be had reasonably. Is a 615 engine so difficult to find? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting
Speaking of that, i looked at a 72 220D today that had some pretty bad rust, but a rebuilt engine (from adsit co) a few years ago. It ran very nicely and had nearly no blowby on startup... something you don't see very often on these 4 cylinder diesels. And it was a one family car from new, daily driven still (I've been seeing it around for years), with all service records, including the engine replacement. The car isn't drivable due to rust: the steering box separated from the frame of the car it seems. Makes me really want to find a 220D to put that engine into. I found a '74 240D recently that had pretty excessive blow by, but was other wise nice and wasn't rusty. But putting a 220D engine in a 240D seems silly. But it wouldn't be a bad temporary fix while the OM616 was being rebuilt. The car was located around here, in northern NJ, for $1500 if anyones interested. One thing that struck me odd... the engine number indicated it was for a manual trans car (615 912 10 xx), but the car was an automatic. There isn't much difference between the engines, but does adsit really not supply them for the correct transmission type? Jaime On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be had reasonably. Is a 615 engine so difficult to find? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617? On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rick Knoble wrote: 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115 tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine bay. Mitch. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting
The 1976 300D was a 115 with a 617 clay Different chassis subtype too. W115 240D 74-76 115.117 616.916 W115 300D 75-76 115.114 617.916 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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$1500? They are on crack. I bought one just like it except not nearly that much rust with either a rebuilt or very great original with no blowby engine for $300. On 12/26/2011 6:34 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Speaking of that, i looked at a 72 220D today that had some pretty bad rust, but a rebuilt engine (from adsit co) a few years ago. It ran very nicely and had nearly no blowby on startup... something you don't see very often on these 4 cylinder diesels. And it was a one family car from new, daily driven still (I've been seeing it around for years), with all service records, including the engine replacement. The car isn't drivable due to rust: the steering box separated from the frame of the car it seems. Makes me really want to find a 220D to put that engine into. I found a '74 240D recently that had pretty excessive blow by, but was other wise nice and wasn't rusty. But putting a 220D engine in a 240D seems silly. But it wouldn't be a bad temporary fix while the OM616 was being rebuilt. The car was located around here, in northern NJ, for $1500 if anyones interested. One thing that struck me odd... the engine number indicated it was for a manual trans car (615 912 10 xx), but the car was an automatic. There isn't much difference between the engines, but does adsit really not supply them for the correct transmission type? Jaime On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com wrote: I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be had reasonably. Is a 615 engine so difficult to find? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Donokd...@gmail.com wrote: A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617? On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: Rick Knoble wrote: 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115 tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine bay. Mitch. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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IIRC, which I might not, the tranny mounting ring and flywheel are the only differences between the standard and automatic OM615 engines. I helped my father replace the OM615 stndard engine with bad blow-by and hard to start with an engine from an auto 220D, and that's all that I can remember needing to be swapped. So I wouldn't see any reason to try to match the OM615 engine to the tranny. On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.comwrote: One thing that struck me odd... the engine number indicated it was for a manual trans car (615 912 10 xx), but the car was an automatic. There isn't much difference between the engines, but does adsit really not supply them for the correct transmission type? Jaime -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There is no such thing as a car that cheap around here. Except for this: http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/2758251980.html The guys been trying to sell it for a while. I'd guess its pretty horrible to not sell at that price. If I had a place to hide junk, I'd buy it and part it out. Jaime On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 7:43 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: $1500? They are on crack. I bought one just like it except not nearly that much rust with either a rebuilt or very great original with no blowby engine for $300. On 12/26/2011 6:34 PM, Jaime Kopchinski wrote: Speaking of that, i looked at a 72 220D today that had some pretty bad rust, but a rebuilt engine (from adsit co) a few years ago. It ran very nicely and had nearly no blowby on startup... something you don't see very often on these 4 cylinder diesels. And it was a one family car from new, daily driven still (I've been seeing it around for years), with all service records, including the engine replacement. The car isn't drivable due to rust: the steering box separated from the frame of the car it seems. Makes me really want to find a 220D to put that engine into. I found a '74 240D recently that had pretty excessive blow by, but was other wise nice and wasn't rusty. But putting a 220D engine in a 240D seems silly. But it wouldn't be a bad temporary fix while the OM616 was being rebuilt. The car was located around here, in northern NJ, for $1500 if anyones interested. One thing that struck me odd... the engine number indicated it was for a manual trans car (615 912 10 xx), but the car was an automatic. There isn't much difference between the engines, but does adsit really not supply them for the correct transmission type? Jaime On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 4:28 AM, Dieselhead126die...@gmail.com** wrote: I know where there is an almost new complete 615 engine that could be had reasonably. Is a 615 engine so difficult to find? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Donokd...@gmail.com wrote: A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617? On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haleym...@voyager.net wrote: Rick Knoble wrote: 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115 tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine bay. Mitch. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/
Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting
Yep, I think you're right. With some engines, there was a difference in the injection pumps, but I think this might be gasoline engines only. Jaime On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 7:54 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: IIRC, which I might not, the tranny mounting ring and flywheel are the only differences between the standard and automatic OM615 engines. I helped my father replace the OM615 stndard engine with bad blow-by and hard to start with an engine from an auto 220D, and that's all that I can remember needing to be swapped. So I wouldn't see any reason to try to match the OM615 engine to the tranny. On Mon, Dec 26, 2011 at 6:34 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: One thing that struck me odd... the engine number indicated it was for a manual trans car (615 912 10 xx), but the car was an automatic. There isn't much difference between the engines, but does adsit really not supply them for the correct transmission type? Jaime -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting
That one must be really horrible for that price... If the trans was the only thing wrong with it thats a great deal. 116 are such nice driving cars... I bought my '83 240D in Mount Laurel, NJ. Thats maybe 1/2 hour out of the city (I forget, its been 8 years (sheesh how time flies)). It was just over 200k, had minimal rust although some of the clearcoat was flaking, started and ran good for $1500. I drove it ~80k over the next 6 years of off and on ownership. Did me good for the price. -Curt Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 19:54:50 -0500 From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting Message-ID: cacy-bakuegq3sowplkyinfxxn5zy24ybn8-so_b9s+oq03w...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 There is no such thing as a car that cheap around here. Except for this: http://newjersey.craigslist.org/cto/2758251980.html The guys been trying to sell it for a while. I'd guess its pretty horrible to not sell at that price. If I had a place to hide junk, I'd buy it and part it out. Jaime ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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andrew wrote: There's a whole lot of vetting going on right now for those who would replace him, and it isn't a pretty picture. And that is exactly what will give him clear sailing into being re-elected. He can sit back, save the $1bn campaign fund, speak nothing and be re-elected. That is my bet. The vetting is being done to the demise of any believe-ability of the opposition, tea party be damned. The one guy that could put some teeth in to the race is Ron Paul but the ministry of truth is not airing anything about the most substanial thoughts addressing the situations in the country. I agree with Kaleb - the country will be thru real soon. Lets take it to banned. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting
Rick Knoble wrote: Yup. Mitch is about as close as you or I ... And I believe he has a new (to him) Landgrebe car dolly. BTW, Landgrebe was a congress critter years ago. A quote attributed to him. Don't confuse me with the facts. My mind is made up. George Landgrebe? Seems a nice fellow on the phone. Said he'd weld brake mounting flanges to my spindles for $30. The local hitch and trailer shop wanted $200. (but that probably included the fifteen minutes spent removing and reinstalling my hubs, George's quote was if I mailed him the spindles) Yes, that car's sort of between me and Mike, about 50 miles from me. Where are you, Valparaiso or something? Unfortunately, that transmission won't easily bolt to a 602 turbo. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Mitch wrote: George Landgrebe? Seems a nice fellow on the phone A relative of the late congressman, I figure. Where are you, Valparaiso or something? Portage, just off of I80 Unfortunately, that transmission won't easily bolt to a 602 turbo. There should be a few cheap 617's around. I don't know if it would bolt up or not tho'. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, 25 Dec 2011 09:07:33 -0600 Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, that transmission won't easily bolt to a 602 turbo. There should be a few cheap 617's around. I don't know if it would bolt up or not tho'. Yes, it will. You may have to swap the bellhousing mounting plate that bolts to the back of the engine block, but it's the same family of engine. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Looks nice in red. Maybe someone will buy it for Christmas! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2011, at 11:42 PM, Mike Esh michael...@me.com wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300639635101#v4-47 Michael E. Esh ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting
Rick Knoble wrote: There should be a few cheap 617's around. I don't know if it would bolt up or not tho'. 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115 tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine bay. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting
That would be Earl Landgrebe, who represented the district (W. Lafayette and surrounds) when I was at Purdue. His opponent, one Floyd Fithian, had radio ads that played that quote. Earl lost badly. I think there was also some controversy about him telling a racialist joke on a private airplane flight, or maybe that was some other stupid pol (but perhaps I am being redundant). --R On 12/24/11 11:51 PM, Rick Knoble wrote: Yup. Mitch is about as close as you or I ... And I believe he has a new (to him) Landgrebe car dolly. BTW, Landgrebe was a congress critter years ago. A quote attributed to him. Don't confuse me with the facts. My mind is made up. Rick Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2011, at 10:43 PM, Mike Eshmichael...@me.com wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300639635101#v4-47 Michael E. Esh ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting
Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: That would be Earl Landgrebe, who represented the district (W. Lafayette and surrounds) when I was at Purdue. His opponent, one Floyd Fithian, had radio ads that played that quote. Earl lost badly. I think there was also some controversy about him telling a racialist joke on a private airplane flight, or maybe that was some other stupid pol (but perhaps I am being redundant). I can't wait to see what happens when today's teens and 20-somethings start running for office. Imagine what will be dragged up out of their Facebook and other social website postings. Nobody will be electable. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I think the country will be thru by then so we won't have to worry about it Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net writes: That would be Earl Landgrebe, who represented the district (W. Lafayette and surrounds) when I was at Purdue. His opponent, one Floyd Fithian, had radio ads that played that quote. Earl lost badly. I think there was also some controversy about him telling a racialist joke on a private airplane flight, or maybe that was some other stupid pol (but perhaps I am being redundant). I can't wait to see what happens when today's teens and 20-somethings start running for office. Imagine what will be dragged up out of their Facebook and other social website postings. Nobody will be electable. Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting
A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617? On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rick Knoble wrote: 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115 tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine bay. Mitch. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Is a 615 engine so difficult to find? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617? On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rick Knoble wrote: 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115 tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine bay. Mitch. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The W114 has a different radiator support, I think. Only the 2-door was a six, all the rest are W115s. The 616 will ONLY fit in a W115 if it has a remote oil filter -- otherwise the oil filter occupies the same space as the fender brace. Some W123s have a remote filter, so the adapter is around, but they are not very common. Peter On Dec 25, 2011, at 7:12 PM, OK Don wrote: A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617? On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rick Knoble wrote: 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115 tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine bay. Mitch. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting
I got one in a 72 220d, I'm very tempted by this car but I think it's too much money Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2011, at 7:21 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Is a 615 engine so difficult to find? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617? On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rick Knoble wrote: 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115 tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine bay. Mitch. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting
Someone down here in a fairly affluent suburb has a 1984/5 240D that's had a 617 engine transplanted into it. I am tempted to look at it (they say everything is working, even the ICE COLD AIR) but they also state that the odometer stopped working at 278k and has never been fixed since then... Dan On Dec 25, 2011, at 9:18 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I got one in a 72 220d, I'm very tempted by this car but I think it's too much money Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2011, at 7:21 PM, Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com wrote: Is a 615 engine so difficult to find? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2011, at 8:12 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: A 616 should fit, per the '75-'76 240D, but I'm not sure of the oil filter position. The '75 and '76 hd an extended front end - to fit the OM617. I always wondered if the 6 cyl vergassers were shorter than the OM617? On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Rick Knoble wrote: 617/616 should bolt to the tranny, I once met a guy who'd used a 114/115 tranny to convert a 116 300SD to manual. The problem would probably be cramming a 616/617 and its associated oil filter into the 220D's engine bay. Mitch. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting
Should be able to buy one from buddy Walt. I've never actually seen it but heard good things from one of his customers. -Curt Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 19:58:30 -0600 From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting Message-ID: a8eb5844-6795-4aff-89cc-60c3aac8e...@earthlink.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed The W114 has a different radiator support, I think. Only the 2-door was a six, all the rest are W115s. The 616 will ONLY fit in a W115 if it has a remote oil filter -- otherwise the oil filter occupies the same space as the fender brace. Some W123s have a remote filter, so the adapter is around, but they are not very common. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting
On Dec 25, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I can't wait to see what happens when today's teens and 20-somethings start running for office. Imagine what will be dragged up out of their Facebook and other social website postings. Nobody will be electable. I believe if our sitting president would've been properly vetted, he would not have been elected... Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting
There's a whole lot of vetting going on right now for those who would replace him, and it isn't a pretty picture. On Sun, Dec 25, 2011 at 10:17 PM, Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.comwrote: On Dec 25, 2011, at 4:10 PM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I can't wait to see what happens when today's teens and 20-somethings start running for office. Imagine what will be dragged up out of their Facebook and other social website postings. Nobody will be electable. I believe if our sitting president would've been properly vetted, he would not have been elected... Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D. So tempting
Yup. Mitch is about as close as you or I ... And I believe he has a new (to him) Landgrebe car dolly. BTW, Landgrebe was a congress critter years ago. A quote attributed to him. Don't confuse me with the facts. My mind is made up. Rick Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2011, at 10:43 PM, Mike Esh michael...@me.com wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300639635101#v4-47 Michael E. Esh ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back?
Yep, because some misguided soul replaced the SLS struts with shocks, if you believe the seller. I've never heard of a 114 or 115 with SLS. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: http://saginaw.craigslist.org/cto/2549897404.html _ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back?
I never knew that 115's had SLS. Dwight Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:11:47 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back? http://saginaw.craigslist.org/cto/2549897404.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back?
They did, in europe. Heres one that had it: http://images.jaimekop.com/2002_11_19_220D/index.html I almost bought this car... it was a bit too rough mechanically for the price, and I needed something to drive without much work. A few days later, i bought this: http://images.jaimekop.com/2002_12_22_Waxed_240D/ Jaime On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 8:59 PM, degco...@cox.net wrote: I never knew that 115's had SLS. Dwight Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:11:47 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back? http://saginaw.craigslist.org/cto/2549897404.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back?
SLS was quite common on taxis, and was available on the diesel models as a result. Not many in the US, but I do know of an example or two. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back?
Ok that makes sense. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:13:37 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back? SLS was quite common on taxis, and was available on the diesel models as a result. Not many in the US, but I do know of an example or two. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back?
Interesting-seems odd on a smaller MB- usually think of wagons and top line 126's. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 21:09:37 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back? They did, in europe. Heres one that had it: http://images.jaimekop.com/2002_11_19_220D/index.html I almost bought this car... it was a bit too rough mechanically for the price, and I needed something to drive without much work. A few days later, i bought this: http://images.jaimekop.com/2002_12_22_Waxed_240D/ Jaime On Tue, Aug 16, 2011 at 8:59 PM, degco...@cox.net wrote: I never knew that 115's had SLS. Dwight Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Sender: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 20:11:47 To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: [MBZ] 220D riding a bit low in the back? http://saginaw.craigslist.org/cto/2549897404.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D no start
I spent the rest of the day poking, yanking and swearing at the cable. Got it moved back, forward, right, left and inside out. I think the cable is too short to do all three functions. I can get the thing long enough to start, but it will not shut off, or it will be long enough to shut off, but not long enough to get the starter to engage. Figure I will just let the clutch be the stop pedal. clay On Oct 11, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: I found out the cable was off, and proceeded to hook it back to the IP and now it is not willing to start when the knob gets pulled. It will go to glow, but I am not able to pull it further so that it engages the start circuit. That cable is adjustable, in some manner. You need to adjust it so that it has enough travel to hit the starter contacts. What would work better would be a simple manual glow switch, and a push to start button. Probably pain in the rear to figure out the way to cut into the circuits. Yeah, they combined all three systems on one easy-to-use knob. Until it breaks, then it's a PITA. But if you fix it right you can go back to your nearly-unstealable stealth ignition system. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D no start
Thanks Craig, I drug out the shop manuals and the chiltons to peruse over beers. No good answers on just what the correct adjustment is. I suspect it needs the cable to be new. The old one lost the lead knot on the end that would have been right. I have it bent over to lock it to the slide mechanism clay On Oct 11, 2009, at 4:42 PM, Craig McCluskey wrote: On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:30:42 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: That cable is adjustable, in some manner. You need to adjust it so that it has enough travel to hit the starter contacts. Yeah, they combined all three systems on one easy-to-use knob. Until it breaks, then it's a PITA. But if you fix it right you can go back to your nearly-unstealable stealth ignition system. Yeah, what he said. With the dash knob pushed all the way in, the cable has to push on the injection pump lever to stop the engine. With the dash knob in the released position, the pin on the injection pump lever should be somewhere in the slot on the fitting on the end of the start cable. With the dash knob in the start position, the pin on the injection pump should be against the front end of the slot on the fitting on the end of the start cable and pulled a little more back than its normal operating position. This causes the injection pump to put out more fuel so the starting is easier. It's indeed possible to correctly adjust the cable. When it's correctly adjusted, everything works as designed. If this isn't enough information, I can look through my 1973 Chilton's and see if it has more. I may even scan the pages, but later, because I don't have time right now. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D no start
'Sure rough on clutch, tranny, drive shaft, dif., axle, etc. Wilton - Original Message - From: Redghost redgh...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D no start I spent the rest of the day poking, yanking and swearing at the cable. Got it moved back, forward, right, left and inside out. I think the cable is too short to do all three functions. I can get the thing long enough to start, but it will not shut off, or it will be long enough to shut off, but not long enough to get the starter to engage. Figure I will just let the clutch be the stop pedal. clay On Oct 11, 2009, at 4:30 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: I found out the cable was off, and proceeded to hook it back to the IP and now it is not willing to start when the knob gets pulled. It will go to glow, but I am not able to pull it further so that it engages the start circuit. That cable is adjustable, in some manner. You need to adjust it so that it has enough travel to hit the starter contacts. What would work better would be a simple manual glow switch, and a push to start button. Probably pain in the rear to figure out the way to cut into the circuits. Yeah, they combined all three systems on one easy-to-use knob. Until it breaks, then it's a PITA. But if you fix it right you can go back to your nearly-unstealable stealth ignition system. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D no start
The old one lost the lead knot on the end that would have been right. I have it bent over to lock it to the slide mechanism. Hey Clay! Your cable's too short! Translation: you lost center wire length, so now the sheath is 'too long' and you don't have enough effective travel to accomplish all functions. You can move the sheath out of its proper position in the retaining clamp in order to pick up your choice of functions at either end of the travel, but not both at the same time. If there's enough overall length left you could try nipping off some of the outer sheath in order to regain some range of motion... -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D no start
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 17:31:27 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: The old one lost the lead knot on the end that would have been right. I have it bent over to lock it to the slide mechanism. Hey Clay! Your cable's too short! Translation: you lost center wire length, so now the sheath is 'too long' and you don't have enough effective travel to accomplish all functions. You can move the sheath out of its proper position in the retaining clamp in order to pick up your choice of functions at either end of the travel, but not both at the same time. If there's enough overall length left you could try nipping off some of the outer sheath in order to regain some range of motion... What he said ... You can use a triangular file to cut (carefully!) through the outer sheath. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D no start
I found out the cable was off, and proceeded to hook it back to the IP and now it is not willing to start when the knob gets pulled. It will go to glow, but I am not able to pull it further so that it engages the start circuit. That cable is adjustable, in some manner. You need to adjust it so that it has enough travel to hit the starter contacts. What would work better would be a simple manual glow switch, and a push to start button. Probably pain in the rear to figure out the way to cut into the circuits. Yeah, they combined all three systems on one easy-to-use knob. Until it breaks, then it's a PITA. But if you fix it right you can go back to your nearly-unstealable stealth ignition system. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D no start
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 16:30:42 -0700 Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: That cable is adjustable, in some manner. You need to adjust it so that it has enough travel to hit the starter contacts. Yeah, they combined all three systems on one easy-to-use knob. Until it breaks, then it's a PITA. But if you fix it right you can go back to your nearly-unstealable stealth ignition system. Yeah, what he said. With the dash knob pushed all the way in, the cable has to push on the injection pump lever to stop the engine. With the dash knob in the released position, the pin on the injection pump lever should be somewhere in the slot on the fitting on the end of the start cable. With the dash knob in the start position, the pin on the injection pump should be against the front end of the slot on the fitting on the end of the start cable and pulled a little more back than its normal operating position. This causes the injection pump to put out more fuel so the starting is easier. It's indeed possible to correctly adjust the cable. When it's correctly adjusted, everything works as designed. If this isn't enough information, I can look through my 1973 Chilton's and see if it has more. I may even scan the pages, but later, because I don't have time right now. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D no start
You need to loosen the clamp on the cable jacket at the IP, and slide the jacket toward the firewall enough so that it will hit the start position. Probably 2-4 mm as a guess. THat is the primary adjustment. As for glow, I have several times installed a secondary glow or starter switch. Take a ford fender mounted starter relay. (fairly easy to find at the junkyards 20 years ago. Not sure if they still use them, but I think so) Run a #10 wire (or fusable link) from the battery to the relay (mounted on the rear of the engine or on the firewall) large terminal (left, facing the two small terminals) From the right large terminal, run a #10 wire to the (hot) terminal of the glow resistor if you have loop glow plugs. (on a newer car, or one converted to pencil glow plugs, it goes to the terminal of the last GP) Then run a wire from any suitable hot fused terminal (31, switched) to a pushbutton (NO) mounted under the dash, then back to the new starter relay left small terminal. (single small terminal if your relay has only one small terminal. In that case, the mounting of the relay is expected to provide a ground for the pilot circuit.) From the second small terminal, run a wire to a good ground. If/when you have doubts about the glow switch working, you can try the secondary circuit. It it starts from that one, you know you have a problem in the glow switch circuit. My escort Diesel developed a problem in the switch/relay. Rather than spend days tracking down an intermittent problem in the winter. I rigged up the push button circuit in a mcparts lot when it was 20 below. It only took me 30 min or so, and I did all the wiring I could inside the idling car. Then I went out and installed it. Not fun at 20 below. Much better than spending days trying to fix an intermittent. You can hear the relay engage. I've also used a secondary pushbutton circuit to troubleshoot starter switch/starter solenoid problems. for that, you don't need the relay, just the pushbutton pilot circuit. At 05:18 PM 10/11/2009, you wrote: Gump is being a turd. The start cable fell off the IP while I was out with flu and oldest boy drove. He was not aware the cable had come detached and had trouble starting, but it would eventually light off. I found out the cable was off, and proceeded to hook it back to the IP and now it is not willing to start when the knob gets pulled. It will go to glow, but I am not able to pull it further so that it engages the start circuit. I did learn that the knob mechanism is a three part system. It first opens the fuel flow, then moves to engage the glow system. Final position is to engage the starter. What would work better would be a simple manual glow switch, and a push to start button. Probably pain in the rear to figure out the way to cut into the circuits. Anybody have advise on how to get Gump lit off? -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal
No Way! it would be easier to put a 123 OM 616 or 617 in the 115. major problems are flywheel/trans mating; oil filter and motor mounts. Of those, the motor mounts are the easiest. THere is probably a factory set of motor mount arms somewhere that will bolt in, or can be mounted on 2 of the 4 motor mount bolts, and one additional bolt fore or aft that just happens to already be there. To install the 123 616 into the 110 chassis, we made a cover plate for the oil filter, and the block, where the filter mounts. then we could mount the oil filter remotely, and connect the 2 plates via hoses. Actually, I think you could take your 615 block and use all 616 components to rebuild it. I thought about trying that with the OM 621. THen the block would bolt in, and you would have a 616 in all other aspects. I think you could also use the 615 crank and flywheel assembly, so the trans end would bolt up too. bear in mind the last paragraph is speculation. the 616 in 110 transplant, I did At 03:44 PM 8/12/2009, you wrote: Can I put a 615 motor into a W123? Thanks, Bruce Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal
old dogs carried liability insurance. RLE -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090810/5fc6320b/attachment.html -- Message: 9 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:44:20 -0400 From: Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4a80db04.9050...@voyager.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Russ Williams wrote: Last week he took in a 2007 Ford F-250 w/PowerChoke All Maxed out for a Prius. No go figure that one. Truck only had 22k m on it. Good Grief. If the customer wanted $4500 trade-in on that, the dealer made a fortune. If the dealer processed the paperwork to scrap a $20,000 vehicle for a $4500 government check, they're idiots. If you believe that the government would accept a 'clunker' that doesn't have an EPA mileage rating, well, then... Mitch. -- Message: 10 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:54:36 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 4Matic? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 437bc980908101954h3a3eb982r6ee7b3397407e...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Four wheel drive. On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 9:10 PM, John Ingram joh...@cloud9.net wrote: What is 4Matic? -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090810/c8c83410/attachment.html -- Message: 11 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:55:30 -0700 From: Kevin ke...@mordred.punk.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] clunkers To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20090811025530.gf43...@mordred.punk.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:42:08PM -0400, relng...@aol.com wrote: I'm also wondering how many of those tattered old dogs carried liability insurance. Had to have valid registration and insurance for the preceeding calendar year. -- Message: 12 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:06:38 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cash for clunkers hits home To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: m1ljlr122p@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Wonko the Sane don.b...@gmail.com writes: The last sentence is why I am still in favor of the program. I know it is sad to see a low/mid-teens MPG car go to the crusher in favor of something that burns less fuel, but that is not necessarily a bad thing (even if nice interior goes to the crusher). If one sits down with a pencil and paper, or a computer spreadsheet if the former are unfamiliar, one may find that the supposed money saved by a higher MPG rating is very little and often not offset by the added cost of ownership of a new vehicle. The $4,500 from Uncle Sam may help, if so be sure to thank your grandchildren for helping you buy your new car. Allan -- 1983 300D -- Message: 13 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 21:16:50 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20090810211650.1d2791e4.diese...@pisquared.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:51:37 -0500 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: You may just need a new rod. Note that the 616 engine will NOT fit in a W115 chassis unless you remove the fender brace -- hte oil filter housing is in the wrong place. Is that what they did to get a W115 240D? Or better yet, where is the oil filter on a W115 240D? I presume it's in a different place than the W123 240D, namely underneath like the W115 220D. Craig -- Message: 14 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 20:17:06 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] had a brain flash (or brain fart) today To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: f7b6bd1a0908102017n4d01119ay2f2cf1d278ca6...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:18 PM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: I've always wanted a Postal Jeep. FourWheeler did a neat buildup on one years ago. If I could find one for reasonable money my 240D would be available for firesale money... Nah, this is what you want, Curt. I'm sure it can tow your snowmobiles just fine and all your friends can sit in the back! http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/1311988170.html Alex -- Message: 15 Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 23:22:46 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] FW: [Fwd: FW: Smart Car?] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal
Don't know -- check for suspension clearance for the oil filter housing. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue
You may just need a new rod. Note that the 616 engine will NOT fit in a W115 chassis unless you remove the fender brace -- hte oil filter housing is in the wrong place. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:51:37 -0500 Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.net wrote: You may just need a new rod. Note that the 616 engine will NOT fit in a W115 chassis unless you remove the fender brace -- hte oil filter housing is in the wrong place. Is that what they did to get a W115 240D? Or better yet, where is the oil filter on a W115 240D? I presume it's in a different place than the W123 240D, namely underneath like the W115 220D. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue
The oil filter on a W115 is up front, underneath in a canister. Huge PITA to change as you always end up with oil running down your armpit. The filter housing is by #1 cylinder underneath the injection pump. On the 616 (as opposed to the 615 which is in the W115), the oil filter housing is on top of the fitting and the filter is removed by taking the cover off. I have seen a few with a remote housing, but only in the W123 chassis, not the W115. Much nicer, as you don't have to lie on the ground with oil dripping on you. You cannot put a 617 out of a W123 into a W115 for the same reason. Has to be the one installed there, and they are uncommon these days. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue
But there was a 115 version of the 616 On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Peter Frederick psf...@earthlink.netwrote: The oil filter on a W115 is up front, underneath in a canister. Huge PITA to change as you always end up with oil running down your armpit. The filter housing is by #1 cylinder underneath the injection pump. On the 616 (as opposed to the 615 which is in the W115), the oil filter housing is on top of the fitting and the filter is removed by taking the cover off. I have seen a few with a remote housing, but only in the W123 chassis, not the W115. Much nicer, as you don't have to lie on the ground with oil dripping on you. You cannot put a 617 out of a W123 into a W115 for the same reason. Has to be the one installed there, and they are uncommon these days. Peter -- OK Don, with oil stained armpits still from the three 115 Diesels I used to own. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090810/f3d021c8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue
On Mon, 10 Aug 2009 22:30:29 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: But there was a 115 version of the 616 Yes, and a W115 version of the 617, too! Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue
Not the same one as in the W123 though. Ditto for the 617, different suffix on the engine numbers. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal - Epilogue
Finally got the head off. Had to remove water pump, etc. and fabricated a puller for the timing chain rail pin using a hose clamp and a bolt. The pin came out nicely and I removed the rail and lifted off the head. Everything looked fine...except that 3 pistons were at TDC! #2 piston was stationary. Oh well. I was looking forward to puttering around in the little 220 but I guess a motor swap with the banged up 240D is in the works. Cheers, Bruce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090809/4912e911/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal
Jim, I found that the tensioner rail is 2mm wider than the slot. I don't have the shop manual, but the Haynes manual alludes to a 'hook style' rail that requires removal. It mounts on a pin by the crankshaft that requires a special puller to remove which I lack. Don't know why they did that. Would have been so easy to make the rail fit - 30 sec on a grinder. Removing the head is incredibly troublesome. So I tried grinding down the rail with the Dremel, but it's extremely slow. It turns out that everything was fine inside the cylinders anyway (was looking for prechamber damage). So I might just button it back up with the old head gasket and hope it seals. Is there any reason that might not work? Thanks, Bruce -- Message: 6 Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 06:21:32 -0700 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 39606fc0-8355-11de-95a3-000502d9a...@windwireless.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed I am trying to remove the head on the 72 220D (long story why).? Everything is out and loose but the timing chain tensioner rail is interfering with the head.? It looks like the rail is every bit as wide as the slot in the head.? Do I need to remove the tensioner rail (and how is that done), or does it merely need a little 'encouragement' to fit through the slot in the head? I wasn't present for our recent 220D head un-removal, but the top end of the main tensioner rail is narrower than the hole, IIRC. The plastic non-moving guide up at the top needs to come off. (Threaded pin pulls out with a slide hammer, or crowbar forks and a regular one if you're like us.) -- Jim -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090808/1ef49ae7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal
On Sat, 8 Aug 2009 21:50:39 -0700 (PDT) B Dike bdi...@yahoo.com wrote: So I tried grinding down the rail with the Dremel, but it's extremely slow. You did grind the rail while it was installed in the engine, didn't you? If so, what did you do with the grinding dust? So I might just button it back up with the old head gasket and hope it seals. Is there any reason that might not work? That's a bad idea -- the gasket has lost all of its crush and getting it exactly the same place is highly unlikely. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal
I am trying to remove the head on the 72 220D (long story why). Everything is out and loose but the timing chain tensioner rail is interfering with the head. It looks like the rail is every bit as wide as the slot in the head. Do I need to remove the tensioner rail (and how is that done), or does it merely need a little 'encouragement' to fit through the slot in the head? I wasn't present for our recent 220D head un-removal, but the top end of the main tensioner rail is narrower than the hole, IIRC. The plastic non-moving guide up at the top needs to come off. (Threaded pin pulls out with a slide hammer, or crowbar forks and a regular one if you're like us.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D Head Removal
There is a bolt pin done by the crank balancer that holds the rail in place. Screw a bolt into it (or use the fancy Benz tool if you can locate one) and pull the pin out to release the rail. You will need to align the slot in the balancer with the pin to pull it. You CAN get the head off with the rail in place, but it's easier to take it out. Needless to say, it's vastly easier to remove the bolt pin with the engine out of the car Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery
Jim Cathey wrote: We've been starting to figure out means of pulling the engine. (I think some 2x6's endwise across the rafters will support my chain hoist. We've got three bodies, so removing the hood and general manhandling are well covered.) If the rafters will hold, the 2x6's should be fine. I built a A-frame hoist stand. The top beam is a pair of 10ft 2x6 in a 'V'. It just so happens the angle of the 'V' matches the angle of the legs. I put a oak 1x5 (from an old pallet) across the top in the center to deal with the abuse from the chain to which the chain hoist was attached. I have pulled a few Chevy small-blocks with transmission attached (117 mm manual and 700R4 autos) with that rig. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery
Just a wild guess - but could alink or two be rusted together and not willing to go around a sprocket, or not willing to straighten out when it gets to a rail? Sounds like it was open to the world for some time. It was open for considerable time, but the exposed parts of the chain are rust-free. (I brought the car home 4.5 years ago, and Casey had had it in his yard for at least a year. Zippo has been done since Casey got it, whenever that was.) A kink would make the chain awfully short, would it not? If anything the chain is on the loose side, not tight. We probably need a new one, checking the stretch was going to be the first thing done once we got it rotating freely. Even so a new chain wasn't considered until after the engine was running. The oil pump chain seems to be moving fine. Take the chain completely out, inspect it, and see if the crankshaft rotates without it installed. Then ... Yeah, we might have to. But to do that we have to break the chain, which means a new master link in order to un-break it. Probably deserves a new chain at that point, but again, we don't want to spend any money on _this_ engine if it's crap. A U-Pull engine is within the budget, but of course there aren't any right now. Check for a loose bolt pin as well. You may also want to pull the vacuum pump and see if there is something in there beside the injection timer. A bolt or screw or something riding along on the chain will do this too What bolt pin? We did remove the vacuum pump, for peeking purposes. No sign of trouble. There is evidence that the kid took apart more than we'd thought, the lower oil pan and the vacuum pump were both red RTV'd, and all-new shiny flanged bolts that are a bit too short. Ominous. No sign that the kid had ever been inside the big oil pan, or had the tranny or clutch off. So will a tangle in the chain, but it won't fit that way -- too short. It doesn't seem short. Rusty cylinder wall? Initially, yes. Wouldn't turn at all. Engine stored at TDC#1. But some WD-40 down in the injector holes and some vigorous torque on the crank bolt worked it loose. Again, the range of motion is now almost exactly 180 degrees. Both directions 'clunk', one cleanly, and one (CW) that wedges if you run into it too hard. The mild cylinder corrosion worked loose very quickly, these hard stops don't move anymore. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery
Jim Cathey wrote: Again, the range of motion is now almost exactly 180 degrees. Both directions 'clunk', one cleanly, and one (CW) that wedges if you run into it too hard. The mild cylinder corrosion worked loose very quickly, these hard stops don't move anymore. Sounds like a 2x4 in the oil pan Any bolts down near the crank that may have been replace with ones that are too long? What about flywheel clutch/torque converter/transmission? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery
Busted off prechamber tip on top of a piston? Busted off prechamber ball on top of a piston? At 09:28 PM 8/1/2009, you wrote: Jim. Rusty cylinder wall? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred At 08:49 PM 8/1/2009, you wrote: We can't see anything wrong, and have the vacuum pump and the lower oil pan off for visibility. The cam followers are not yet in, so all the valves are fully retracted. All four holes suck and blow when you rock the engine back and forth. No thrown rods that we can see. Is this likely to be a chain kink? Or something much worse? Anybody BTDT? Suggestions? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery
I vote for a chain issue. As Craig said, pull the chain out completely, then see what happens. A long time ago, I was working on an OM621 (basically similar to OM615-616) and dropped the center link of the master link when it slipped. The link dropped down in the chain cavity. I tried fishing around with a magnet, but had no luck. SO I hoped for the best, that it settled in the oil pan, and turned the engine over by hand. No luck. It would stick tight. Same if I turned it backwards. I had to pull the engine. Link was stuck in the crank sprocket. The crank sprocket was badly worn. I had to buy a new sprocket and a new master link. On the OM621, the pan can only be pulled with the engine out of the car. At 07:49 PM 8/1/2009, you wrote: So today I went to the neighbors' again and we had another surgery session on the former blackberry patch also known as the $100 220D. (Some kid had taken off the head, and even removed the gallery plugs.) We've been slowly reassembling the thing to see if it's any good, spending as little as humanly possible until we can determine this crucial detail. This is to be the kid's car, and Fall is coming fast. Anyway, today the chain got hooked back up. It'd been loose in the vault, tie-wrapped together but not very well. We got it together and the engine turning again, but the engine will only turn about 180 degrees back and forth before it seems to hit something _very_ solid. When 'clunked' clockwise it wedges, and has to be BFH'd back loose with a piece of pipe on one of the balancer's notches, since otherwise it'll just unscrew the big bolt due to the strength of the wedging. We can't see anything wrong, and have the vacuum pump and the lower oil pan off for visibility. The cam followers are not yet in, so all the valves are fully retracted. All four holes suck and blow when you rock the engine back and forth. No thrown rods that we can see. Is this likely to be a chain kink? Or something much worse? Anybody BTDT? Suggestions? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery
Sounds like a 2x4 in the oil pan We looked in there, as best one can through the small (front) pan's hole. Nothing obviously wrong. Any bolts down near the crank that may have been replace with ones that are too long? Looks OK, and the pan bolts look long-undisturbed. What about flywheel clutch/torque converter/transmission? Could be, we've not looked at that end yet. Busted off prechamber tip on top of a piston? Busted off prechamber ball on top of a piston? No, we just put that head (back) on ourselves a couple of weeks ago. Besides, if that was the blocker you'd get nearly 360 degrees of rotation out of the engine. (Unless you can support the notion of two differently-phased pistons having the same problems at home.) I vote for a chain issue. As Craig said, pull the chain out completely, then see what happens. We might have to. It's just that then we've for sure bought into the joy of re-timing the IP. We were hoping to avoid that little walk in the park, if at all possible. I'm not sure how we can actually remove the chain, though, given that the engine doesn't rotate. A long time ago, I was working on an OM621 (basically similar to OM615-616) and dropped the center link of the master link when it slipped. The link dropped down in the chain cavity. I tried fishing around with a magnet, but had no luck. SO I hoped for the best, that it settled in the oil pan, and turned the engine over by hand. No luck. It would stick tight. Same if I turned it backwards. Oops. I had to pull the engine. Link was stuck in the crank sprocket. The crank sprocket was badly worn. I had to buy a new sprocket and a new master link. On the OM621, the pan can only be pulled with the engine out of the car. We've been starting to figure out means of pulling the engine. (I think some 2x6's endwise across the rafters will support my chain hoist. We've got three bodies, so removing the hood and general manhandling are well covered.) -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery
Step 1. Fix Unimog Step 2. Apply crane I had to pull the engine. Link was stuck in the crank sprocket. The crank sprocket was badly worn. I had to buy a new sprocket and a new master link. On the OM621, the pan can only be pulled with the engine out of the car. We've been starting to figure out means of pulling the engine. (I think some 2x6's endwise across the rafters will support my chain hoist. We've got three bodies, so removing the hood and general manhandling are well covered.) -- Jim -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090802/1ebb9dd8/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery
Just a wild guess - but could alink or two be rusted together and not willing to go around a sprocket, or not willing to straighten out when it gets to a rail? Sounds like it was open to the world for some time. Is this likely to be a chain kink? Or something much worse? Anybody BTDT? Suggestions? -- Jim -- OK Don Pair of W124 300D 2.5 Turbos -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20090801/d99120b7/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery
On Sat, 1 Aug 2009 20:12:27 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: Just a wild guess - but could alink or two be rusted together and not willing to go around a sprocket, or not willing to straighten out when it gets to a rail? Sounds like it was open to the world for some time. Is this likely to be a chain kink? Or something much worse? Anybody BTDT? Suggestions? Take the chain completely out, inspect it, and see if the crankshaft rotates without it installed. Then ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery
Check for a loose bolt pin as well. You may also want to pull the vacuum pump and see if there is something in there beside the injection timer. A bolt or screw or something riding along on the chain will do this too So will a tangle in the chain, but it won't fit that way -- too short. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D surgery
Jim. Rusty cylinder wall? Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred At 08:49 PM 8/1/2009, you wrote: We can't see anything wrong, and have the vacuum pump and the lower oil pan off for visibility. The cam followers are not yet in, so all the valves are fully retracted. All four holes suck and blow when you rock the engine back and forth. No thrown rods that we can see. Is this likely to be a chain kink? Or something much worse? Anybody BTDT? Suggestions? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D, syncro van, fox ads
The audi wasn't worth that much new. Those things were a wiring problem waiting to happen, at least all the dead and dying ones that crossed my path not long after they were new. Too bad the syncro isn't a diesel. -Robert Mitch Haley wrote: Misc 70's-80's German Michigan/Indiana/Ohio Autotrader ads: 220D, two drivetrains, new paint, looks like no drivetrain installed $1000 http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=CM2320085 VW Syncro van, engine built, surface rust touched up and primered, needs exhaust $3000 http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=CM2320274 Audi Fox, low miles, no rust, stored inside. I haven't seen one of these in roadworthy shape for about 20 years. $3500, can't be worth that much. http://www.auto-rv.com/browse.aspx?AdName=CMW2320120 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D, syncro van, fox ads
On 9/22/07, Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too bad the syncro isn't a diesel. Why, so it could be even slower? The good Lord intended Vanagons to have Subaru engines in them. http://www.vanaru.com/ Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D, syncro van, fox ads
From my experience of owning one of those beasts [named the anti-christ] I would question the assumption that the good lord had anything at all to do with them. I think you have your directions all wrong as far as Vanagons go... BillR Jacksonville FL 1981 300SD, currently getting a rebuilt transmission and LF caliper from Rusty. Ex-owner of a mid 80's sucking Vanagon from down below. -Original Message- From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 22, 2007 6:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 220D, syncro van, fox ads On 9/22/07, Robert Tara Ludwick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Too bad the syncro isn't a diesel. Why, so it could be even slower? The good Lord intended Vanagons to have Subaru engines in them. http://www.vanaru.com/ Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo et al. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D doors
Tinted Window wings? I think they are tinted more green than gray. Not clear. On Jan 6, 2007, at 5:41 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Explain Grays? Both wing windows are there Umm, they would be gray? In color. are 1972 model year doors in that nasty cream/white color. And that would be the answer. My doors are rusting badly, but paint is outside of the realm of possibility. I just parked it inside, for about the first time ever. (On my watch.) Had to do some serious rearrangement of the garage again to get the 450 SL crosswise along the front. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 220D doors
Tinted Window wings? I think they are tinted more green than gray. Not clear. Paint, Clay. Gray _paint_! Oh, and that green tint to the windows upsets me. The ones on the Frankenheap are water-clear, and my 'new' un-etched replacements are greenish and don't match. I've been watching for water-clear ones, but everything has been greenish. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 220D doors
Sorry for being slow. PAINT. yep. Has some. Was Gump green from the looks of the interior. Got a reshoot of that nasty cream. If you were inclined, you could get some rattle can gray and make them fit the frankenheap. On Jan 7, 2007, at 9:27 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Tinted Window wings? I think they are tinted more green than gray. Not clear. Paint, Clay. Gray _paint_! Oh, and that green tint to the windows upsets me. The ones on the Frankenheap are water-clear, and my 'new' un-etched replacements are greenish and don't match. I've been watching for water-clear ones, but everything has been greenish. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 220D doors
i thought green-tinted windows was a factory option at that time ... just means there's more iron in the glass and cheaper to make. On 1/8/07, Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sorry for being slow. PAINT. yep. Has some. Was Gump green from the looks of the interior. Got a reshoot of that nasty cream. If you were inclined, you could get some rattle can gray and make them fit the frankenheap. On Jan 7, 2007, at 9:27 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Tinted Window wings? I think they are tinted more green than gray. Not clear. Paint, Clay. Gray _paint_! Oh, and that green tint to the windows upsets me. The ones on the Frankenheap are water-clear, and my 'new' un-etched replacements are greenish and don't match. I've been watching for water-clear ones, but everything has been greenish. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] 220D doors
Explain Grays? Both wing windows are there Umm, they would be gray? In color. are 1972 model year doors in that nasty cream/white color. And that would be the answer. My doors are rusting badly, but paint is outside of the realm of possibility. I just parked it inside, for about the first time ever. (On my watch.) Had to do some serious rearrangement of the garage again to get the 450 SL crosswise along the front. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 220D doors
I bought a rear door from a 68 115 years ago to replace the crashed one on my 73 220D. The replacement door was far off. It was not even close to fitting. Don't know why. Still have the damaged door on the car ten years later. I'll end up just repairing it when I get a chance. Dimitri --- Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to compete with our faithful list father, but I snagged some 114/115 doors today. Anybody need one? Cover shipping and call it good. Have the trunk lid too. I am intending to source some parts from these filthy things, but if you need the sheet metal parts, I am happy to ship on your dime. UPS Ground. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D doors
Explain Grays? Both wing windows are there On Jan 4, 2007, at 10:40 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: Not to compete with our faithful list father, but I snagged some 114/115 doors today. Anybody need one? Cover shipping and call it good. Have the trunk lid too. Any wing-window grays? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 220D doors
I do not have body, just the doors, no thresholds On Jan 5, 2007, at 2:43 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need the plastic door threshold piece on driver and pass side (not on the door but on the threshold) Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:10 PM Subject: [MBZ] 220D doors Not to compete with our faithful list father, but I snagged some 114/115 doors today. Anybody need one? Cover shipping and call it good. Have the trunk lid too. I am intending to source some parts from these filthy things, but if you need the sheet metal parts, I am happy to ship on your dime. UPS Ground. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 220D doors
Might be body damage to your 73 made the older door not fit well. The doors I have are 1972 model year doors in that nasty cream/white color. On Jan 5, 2007, at 6:24 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: I bought a rear door from a 68 115 years ago to replace the crashed one on my 73 220D. The replacement door was far off. It was not even close to fitting. Don't know why. Still have the damaged door on the car ten years later. I'll end up just repairing it when I get a chance. Dimitri --- Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to compete with our faithful list father, but I snagged some 114/115 doors today. Anybody need one? Cover shipping and call it good. Have the trunk lid too. I am intending to source some parts from these filthy things, but if you need the sheet metal parts, I am happy to ship on your dime. UPS Ground. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] 220D doors
Yeah. Definitely body damage as both doors and rocker panel were involved. The rear door is pretty badly dented but I'll do my best to fix it. If I can't then maybe I try a replacement door again. Dimitri --- Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Might be body damage to your 73 made the older door not fit well. The doors I have are 1972 model year doors in that nasty cream/white color. On Jan 5, 2007, at 6:24 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote: I bought a rear door from a 68 115 years ago to replace the crashed one on my 73 220D. The replacement door was far off. It was not even close to fitting. Don't know why. Still have the damaged door on the car ten years later. I'll end up just repairing it when I get a chance. Dimitri --- Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not to compete with our faithful list father, but I snagged some 114/115 doors today. Anybody need one? Cover shipping and call it good. Have the trunk lid too. I am intending to source some parts from these filthy things, but if you need the sheet metal parts, I am happy to ship on your dime. UPS Ground. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D doors
Not to compete with our faithful list father, but I snagged some 114/115 doors today. Anybody need one? Cover shipping and call it good. Have the trunk lid too. Any wing-window grays? -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 220D doors
I need the plastic door threshold piece on driver and pass side (not on the door but on the threshold) Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA - Original Message - From: Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:10 PM Subject: [MBZ] 220D doors Not to compete with our faithful list father, but I snagged some 114/115 doors today. Anybody need one? Cover shipping and call it good. Have the trunk lid too. I am intending to source some parts from these filthy things, but if you need the sheet metal parts, I am happy to ship on your dime. UPS Ground. -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 220D seller on CRACK!
SEVERE CRACK! Gump was all of $117.50 and in as good of shape as he thinks his is. On Dec 20, 2006, at 10:32 AM, kevin kraly wrote: Here's an ad for a 1970 220D for $3200. for that price, it sure does need lots of work. http://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/car/251587390.html I could buy nearly 3 of my 300SD's for that! Kevin in Hillsboro, OR 1983 300SD 265K miles, Ursula bought for $1300, what a steal! -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz