Re: [MBZ] Cold Weather Get In and Go
Curt, I see, I see very thoughful with the Marine Battery. You doing that is truely love. I travel allot in sales and some times I stay at hotels in the Northeast, New England/Upstate NY area. When I check into a hotel, I ask for the spot for the handicapped car which translates into I need an outdoor 110 volt plug for my 1977 300D and my 100 foot extention cord. I find myself always looking where there are 110 volt outdoor plug ins near parking lots and other areas as I travel. Funny how that goes Regards Tom Scordato - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cold Weather Get In and Go Nope, I use the marine battery to power the block heater. Technically I use the battery to power an inverter to power the heater but you get the idea. 3rd floor walkup, my apartment is on the other side of the building. We're looking to buy a condo with parking lot exposure so I don't have to do this any more. -Curt Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:39:10 -0500 From: Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cold Weather Get In and Go To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Curt said To do that I lug a 110ah battery down to the car. Curt I take it you use too batteries to start the car? Just wondering Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA 1977 300D 262K 1979 240D 76K - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Cold Weather Get In and Go
Bob Rentfro wrote: We were having discussions today at the old nuke plant about cold weather starting (well...cold by our standards [39 degrees]). Some were saying as soon as one sees oil pressure, you can take off like a scalded dog...both for gassers and diesels. Others say let it warm until it's off the cold peg. Dr. Booth has always said MB diesels were not intended to idle for more than a couple of minutes. Since it very seldom gets cold here, I've forgotten. When I lived in IL back in the day, I just plugged in my 220D each night when it was cold and the temp gauge was always off the cold peg. What's the deal? Mercedes recommends that as soon as the oil pressure pegs, it's best for the engine to start driving (DON'T push it hard until temps come into the normal range). It will come up to temp most quickly (3-5 min) with a modest load on the engine and that will keep engine wear to a minimum. AT idle it may take 10-15 minutes for the engine to come to temp and that could double the engine wear or worse. Idling also cokes injectors, but this is a less important issue - especially if you do some highway driving shortly after. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Cold Weather Get In and Go
Hmm, starting a nuke is that easy then? How much oil do them things take? What kind do you use? How long it last, what with neutron bombardment and all that? --R Bob Rentfro wrote: We were having discussions today at the old nuke plant about cold weather starting (well...cold by our standards [39 degrees]). Some were saying as soon as one sees oil pressure
Re: [MBZ] Cold Weather Get In and Go
Bob Rentfro wrote: We were having discussions today at the old nuke plant about cold weather starting I'm in the drive away as soon as you have oil pressure, but don't stomp on it until temp stabilizes camp.
Re: [MBZ] Cold Weather Get In and Go
Hi Bob, Interestingly on my 240D anyway as soon as you turn the key to on the temp needle comes off the cold peg If its very cold, like below 0F I'll use the block heater. To do that I lug a 110ah battery down to the car. So after the car is started I'll let it idle while I hike the battery back upstairs and put it on the charger. Then I'll usually have another cup of coffee before heading to work. Marshall's contention about not letting the car idle is mostly because of carbon build up. Since I have a 80 mile roundtrip highway commute I'm not real worried about carbon buildup. One time 2 winters ago the glowplugs on Hammie failed so I left him running at work all day. (it was 10F, he'd never have started without glowplugs) -Curt '83 240D Hammie 248kmi Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:07:44 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Cold Weather Get In and Go To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 We were having discussions today at the old nuke plant about cold weather starting (well...cold by our standards [39 degrees]). Some were saying as soon as one sees oil pressure, you can take off like a scalded dog...both for gassers and diesels. Others say let it warm until it's off the cold peg. Dr. Booth has always said MB diesels were not intended to idle for more than a couple of minutes. Since it very seldom gets cold here, I've forgotten. When I lived in IL back in the day, I just plugged in my 220D each night when it was cold and the temp gauge was always off the cold peg. What's the deal? Bob Rentfro '77 300D 144K Litchfield Park, AZ - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 29 15:31:33 2005 Received: from sccmmhc91.asp.att.net ([204.127.203.211]) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1Eh7S9-0001Hm-Mq for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:31:33 + Received: from lono2.leadingchange.com (12-216-11-137.client.mchsi.com[12.216.11.137]) by sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91) with SMTP id 20051129153129m91003fe2ne; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:31:29 + Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.308 [266.7.2]); Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:31:29 -0600 Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:21:32 -0600 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Hey you rural Okies and Iowans X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 15:31:33 - Its only an opportunity if you are an established utility. I am all too familiar with Prairie Inet, and with the lack of availability in rural areas. Prairie inet only started to set up on the relatively flat areas of north central Iowa. Most of the state has rolling hills and is not suited to wireless, unless the wireless nodes were supported by a wired backbone. But still, the wired infrastructure is not there. Qwest has no plans to upgrade wiring or switches anywhere that I know of, other than in cities. Even in cities Qwest is famous for delivering only 1/4 or less of the bandwidth they charge for. The wired problem is compounded by people abandoning the wired phones and using cell phones only. There is a huge opportunity for verizon and US cellular to provide cheap wireless internet. The big difference was that in 1936, there was a farmhouse on every 40. Now one farm consists of 25-50 or more 40s. The population is not as dense as it was at the time of rural electrification. At 08:34 AM 11/29/2005, you wrote: Here is your next new business oppty --R http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/29/technology/29broad.html Money Is There to Aid Rural Internet, but Loans Are Hard to Get By VIKAS BAJAJ DALLAS CENTER, Iowa - Daniel and Linda Hawkins expected to lose some amenities when they moved to this small farming town, population 1,759, from a slightly larger city nearby. But they were so sure they would have high-speed Internet access that they had high-capacity wiring installed in every room in the house.
Re: [MBZ] Cold Weather Get In and Go
Here's my $.02 if you want it. Let your car warm up for 5 minutes or so in the warm weather and 10 minutes in the really cold stuff. Just because the oil pressure guage shows pressure it doesn't always mean EVERYTHING in the engine is oiled yet. My best friends father used to do a demonstration with an old Chevy 250 inline 6. He would remove te rocker cover and tell someone to start the car and watch the manual oil pressure gauge he had under the hood. The gauge would go up after only a few seconds signifying oil pressure.BUTThe rockers were still not getting oil.Took some of them a good minute and a half to pump up the lifters and get the whole engine oiling properly. My other logic is that different metals expand and contract differently depending on temp as well. The engine was designed to run at it's proper operating temperature and therefore I would assume that putting the engine under load at the improper temperature would also mean that many of the bearings and such are not to thier proper clearances therefore causing undue wear. Mike - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 11:07 PM Subject: [MBZ] Cold Weather Get In and Go We were having discussions today at the old nuke plant about cold weather starting (well...cold by our standards [39 degrees]). Some were saying as soon as one sees oil pressure, you can take off like a scalded dog...both for gassers and diesels. Others say let it warm until it's off the cold peg. Dr. Booth has always said MB diesels were not intended to idle for more than a couple of minutes. Since it very seldom gets cold here, I've forgotten. When I lived in IL back in the day, I just plugged in my 220D each night when it was cold and the temp gauge was always off the cold peg. What's the deal? Bob Rentfro '77 300D 144K Litchfield Park, AZ ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Cold Weather Get In and Go
Curt said To do that I lug a 110ah battery down to the car. Curt I take it you use too batteries to start the car? Just wondering Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA 1977 300D 262K 1979 240D 76K - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 10:25 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cold Weather Get In and Go Hi Bob, Interestingly on my 240D anyway as soon as you turn the key to on the temp needle comes off the cold peg If its very cold, like below 0F I'll use the block heater. To do that I lug a 110ah battery down to the car. So after the car is started I'll let it idle while I hike the battery back upstairs and put it on the charger. Then I'll usually have another cup of coffee before heading to work. Marshall's contention about not letting the car idle is mostly because of carbon build up. Since I have a 80 mile roundtrip highway commute I'm not real worried about carbon buildup. One time 2 winters ago the glowplugs on Hammie failed so I left him running at work all day. (it was 10F, he'd never have started without glowplugs) -Curt '83 240D Hammie 248kmi Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 21:07:44 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Cold Weather Get In and Go To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 We were having discussions today at the old nuke plant about cold weather starting (well...cold by our standards [39 degrees]). Some were saying as soon as one sees oil pressure, you can take off like a scalded dog...both for gassers and diesels. Others say let it warm until it's off the cold peg. Dr. Booth has always said MB diesels were not intended to idle for more than a couple of minutes. Since it very seldom gets cold here, I've forgotten. When I lived in IL back in the day, I just plugged in my 220D each night when it was cold and the temp gauge was always off the cold peg. What's the deal? Bob Rentfro '77 300D 144K Litchfield Park, AZ - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. ___ For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Cold Weather Get In and Go
Nope, I use the marine battery to power the block heater. Technically I use the battery to power an inverter to power the heater but you get the idea. 3rd floor walkup, my apartment is on the other side of the building. We're looking to buy a condo with parking lot exposure so I don't have to do this any more. -Curt Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:39:10 -0500 From: Tom Scordato [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Cold Weather Get In and Go To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Curt said To do that I lug a 110ah battery down to the car. Curt I take it you use too batteries to start the car? Just wondering Regards Tom Scordato Bellefonte PA 1977 300D 262K 1979 240D 76K - Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Nov 29 23:35:12 2005 Received: from ms-smtp-04-lbl.southeast.rr.com ([24.25.9.103] helo=ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by server1.arterytc1.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EhF0C-0003sc-Pf for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:35:12 + Received: from computer (cpe-066-057-051-190.nc.res.rr.com [66.57.51.190]) by ms-smtp-04-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id jATNZ01u009855 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:35:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: wilton strickland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 18:20:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: [MBZ] GM/What? X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes mailing list mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 23:35:13 - I also watched GM ruin the diesel market in N America. Wilton 80 240D totaled at 15 yrs and 185kmi 81 300D sold at 24 yrs and 170kmi 91 350SDL 181kmi 87 300D showroom cond. at 94kmi
