[meteorite-list] India Explosion Was Not A Meteorite Fall
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/chennai/it-was-not-a-meteorite-say-scientists/article8311566.ece Vellore Explosion Was Not A Meteorite Fall S. Vijay Kumar The Hindu March 4, 2016 Scientists say the blast is a matter of 'serious concern". Nearly a month after the mysterious explosion in Vellore district scientists have declared that they did not find any meteorite substance in the samples collected from the scene. Chief Minister Jayalalithaa and the State police had earlier said the explosion was caused by a "meteorite fall". On February 6, a man was killed and three others injured following an explosion in the campus of a private engineering college at Natrampalli in Vellore district. While forensic experts ruled out a land explosion since no explosive material, ingredient or chemical residuals were found at the scene, scientists from the country's top laboratories say they have reasons to believe that the mysterious explosion, the first of its kind, is a matter of 'serious concern". 'There is no definite proof to conclude that it was a meteorite fall. The samples given to us do not have the properties of a meteorite. May be, we are looking at the wrong samples. The footage from surveillance cameras, eyewitness accounts and nature of injuries certainly point to something serious. It is likely that something fell from the space - whether it bounced off or got scattered has to be seen," a top scientist from the National Physical Laboratory, Ahmedabad, told The Hindu on Thursday. The focus now is on ascertaining the source of the object and preventing the recurrence of such falls. Scientists are looking for other remains of the suspicious object around the campus. "This is a top priority investigation. If need be, we will simulate the circumstances for a better understanding of the impact. As a scientist, I am curious to know what it is - it cannot be dismissed as a meteorite because there is no such evidence as of now," said the scientist seeking anonymity. __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite09FEB2016 Graphic!
The third degree burns and stifling should be the first clue that it was not a meteorite that capped this poor fellow. Another B.S. story that belongs in the archives. Liars and Thieves all deserved to be exposed like whomever broke this story. Adam - Original Message - From: "drtanuki via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:25 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite09FEB2016 Graphic! List, India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite 09FEB2016 Graphic! http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2016/02/india-meteor-killed-man-was-not-by.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo The Latest Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite 09FEB2016 Graphic!
List, India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite 09FEB2016 Graphic! http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2016/02/india-meteor-killed-man-was-not-by.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo The Latest Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite09FEB2016 Graphic!
The object that killed the man was indeed a meteorite. It was a lunar meteorite filled with Martian blood vessels. It was hot to the touch. It made a buzzing sound. It attracted nearby metal objects. It was glowing. It smelled like baked cheese. It contains gold and quartz. It is being offered for sale at $10,000,000 USD, Western Union preferred. ;) On 2/9/16, drtanuki via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > Adam, I guess I am the first one to publicly call this out! Dirk > Dirk Ross...Tokyo The Latest Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News > http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ > > > - Original Message - > From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:37 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT > byMeteorite09FEB2016 Graphic! > > The third degree burns and stifling should be the first clue that it was not > > a meteorite that capped this poor fellow. > > Another B.S. story that belongs in the archives. Liars and Thieves all > deserved to be exposed like whomever broke this story. > > Adam > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "drtanuki via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:25 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by > Meteorite09FEB2016 Graphic! > > >> List, >> >> >> India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite 09FEB2016 Graphic! >> http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2016/02/india-meteor-killed-man-was-not-by.html >> Dirk Ross...Tokyo The Latest Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News >> http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ >> __ >> >> Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the >> >> Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite09FEB2016 Graphic!
Adam, I guess I am the first one to publicly call this out! Dirk Dirk Ross...Tokyo The Latest Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ - Original Message - From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite09FEB2016 Graphic! The third degree burns and stifling should be the first clue that it was not a meteorite that capped this poor fellow. Another B.S. story that belongs in the archives. Liars and Thieves all deserved to be exposed like whomever broke this story. Adam - Original Message - From: "drtanuki via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:25 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite09FEB2016 Graphic! > List, > > > India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite 09FEB2016 Graphic! > http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2016/02/india-meteor-killed-man-was-not-by.html > Dirk Ross...Tokyo The Latest Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News > http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOTby Meteorite09FEB2016 Graphic!
Any confirmation as to what the object was/is? As soon as someone knows can you let us on the List know. Cheers Don - Original Message - From: "drtanuki via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOTby Meteorite09FEB2016 Graphic! Adam, I guess I am the first one to publicly call this out! Dirk Dirk Ross...Tokyo The Latest Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ - Original Message - From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite09FEB2016 Graphic! The third degree burns and stifling should be the first clue that it was not a meteorite that capped this poor fellow. Another B.S. story that belongs in the archives. Liars and Thieves all deserved to be exposed like whomever broke this story. Adam - Original Message - From: "drtanuki via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:25 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite09FEB2016 Graphic! List, India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite 09FEB2016 Graphic! http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2016/02/india-meteor-killed-man-was-not-by.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo The Latest Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT byMeteorite09FEB2016 Graphic!
I was referring to the liar that wrote the original story and broke it. This poor guy will be remembered for the myth somebody created about meeting his demise from a meteorite strike when a dynamite accident is more likely. This fabrication may be taken for the truth in years to come. I am a stickler for accuracy is one of the reasons the bogus story bothers me. Adam - Original Message - From: "drtanuki" <drtan...@yahoo.com> To: "Raremeteorites" <raremeteori...@centurylink.net>; <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT byMeteorite09FEB2016 Graphic! Adam, I guess I am the first one to publicly call this out! Dirk Dirk Ross...Tokyo The Latest Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ - Original Message - From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite09FEB2016 Graphic! The third degree burns and stifling should be the first clue that it was not a meteorite that capped this poor fellow. Another B.S. story that belongs in the archives. Liars and Thieves all deserved to be exposed like whomever broke this story. Adam - Original Message - From: "drtanuki via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:25 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite09FEB2016 Graphic! List, India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite 09FEB2016 Graphic! http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2016/02/india-meteor-killed-man-was-not-by.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo The Latest Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite09FEB2016 Graphic!
Wait for it.. All sales of lunar meteorites with Martian blood vessels are hereby suspended until the govmint admits that meteorites never existed before this confirmed death. -Richard Montgomery :) -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks via Meteorite-list Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 1:18 PM To: drtanuki Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; Raremeteorites Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite09FEB2016 Graphic! The object that killed the man was indeed a meteorite. It was a lunar meteorite filled with Martian blood vessels. It was hot to the touch. It made a buzzing sound. It attracted nearby metal objects. It was glowing. It smelled like baked cheese. It contains gold and quartz. It is being offered for sale at $10,000,000 USD, Western Union preferred. ;) On 2/9/16, drtanuki via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: Adam, I guess I am the first one to publicly call this out! Dirk Dirk Ross...Tokyo The Latest Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ - Original Message - From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:37 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite09FEB2016 Graphic! The third degree burns and stifling should be the first clue that it was not a meteorite that capped this poor fellow. Another B.S. story that belongs in the archives. Liars and Thieves all deserved to be exposed like whomever broke this story. Adam - Original Message - From: "drtanuki via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:25 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite09FEB2016 Graphic! List, India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite 09FEB2016 Graphic! http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2016/02/india-meteor-killed-man-was-not-by.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo The Latest Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite09FEB2016 Graphic!
I've been calling it out since it happened. Michael Farmer > On Feb 9, 2016, at 1:46 PM, drtanuki via Meteorite-list > <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote: > > Adam, I guess I am the first one to publicly call this out! Dirk > Dirk Ross...Tokyo The Latest Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News > http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ > > > - Original Message - > From: Raremeteorites via Meteorite-list <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2016 5:37 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by > Meteorite09FEB2016 Graphic! > > The third degree burns and stifling should be the first clue that it was not > a meteorite that capped this poor fellow. > > Another B.S. story that belongs in the archives. Liars and Thieves all > deserved to be exposed like whomever broke this story. > > Adam > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "drtanuki via Meteorite-list" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > To: "Meteorite Mailing List" <meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> > Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2016 12:25 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by > Meteorite09FEB2016 Graphic! > > >> List, >> >> >> India "Meteor-Killed Man" was NOT by Meteorite 09FEB2016 Graphic! >> http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2016/02/india-meteor-killed-man-was-not-by.html >> Dirk Ross...Tokyo The Latest Worldwide Meteor/Meteorite News >> http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/ >> __ >> >> Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the >> Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > > Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the > Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit our Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/meteoritecentral and the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] India Meteor 2000 Local Time 31JAN2015
List, India Meteor 2000 Local Time 31JAN2015 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2015/02/india-meteor-31jan2015.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com https://pairlist3.pair.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] India Puts First Interaplanetary Probe in Orbit At Mars (MOM)
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mom/140923moi/ India puts first interplanetary probe in orbit at Mars BY STEPHEN CLARK SPACEFLIGHT NOW September 23, 2014 India's first interplanetary mission went into orbit around Mars late Tuesday, vaulting India into rarefied company among the countries that have successfully sent a mission to the red planet. Firing its main engine for 24 minutes, the Indian-built spacecraft autonomously guided itself into orbit around Mars as engineers on Earth watched the probe pass out of communications, a planned loss of signal as it moved behind the red planet. Right on time at 10:30 p.m. EDT (0230 GMT), officials at the mission's control center in Bangalore broke into applause and leapt from their chairs as telemetry from the spacecraft made it to the ground, confirming it was in orbit. India has successfully reached Mars! declared Indian prime minister Narendra Modi, who watched the event from an observation gallery at the Bangalore control center. The Mars mission makes India the fourth entity to put a spacecraft into orbit around Mars, following the United States, Russia and the European Space Agency. We have gone beyond the boundaries of human enterprise and imagination, Modi said. We have accurately navigated our spacecraft on a route known to very few, and we have done it from a distance so large that it took a command signal from us to reach it more than it takes sunlight to reach us. The Mars Orbiter Mission -- known as MOM -- closed in on Mars after a journey of 414 million miles since it departed Earth in November 2013 after blasting off on India's Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle. Mission control received signals from the MOM spacecraft 12 minutes after the probe sent the updates, the time it takes for light waves to travel the gulf of 139 million miles separating Earth and Mars. The probe's main engine was supposed to slow down the MOM spacecraft by 2,457 mph, enough for Martian gravity to pull the satellite into orbit. An update posted on the Indian Space Research Organization's Facebook page said data from the craft indicated it performed the burn exactly as planned. History has been created today, Modi said in remarks to the ISRO control team. We have dared to reach out into the unknown and have achieved the near-impossible. I congratulate all ISRO scientists as well as all my fellow Indians on this historic occasion. The Mars Orbiter Mission was supposed to spiral into an orbit with a high point nearly 50,000 miles from Mars. On the orbit's closest approach to the red planet, the MOM spacecraft would fly at an altitude of just 263 miles. The solar-powered spacecraft -- about the size of a compact car -- joins six other missions operating at Mars. NASA's Curiosity and Opportunity rovers are wheeling across the red planet's dusty surface, and the U.S. space agency has three orbiters flying above Mars -- Odyssey, the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, and the MAVEN atmospheric research craft. Europe's Mars Express mission has circled Mars since December 2003. ISRO joins a elite group of only three other agencies worldwide to have successfully reached the red planet, Modi said. India, in fact, is the only country to have succeeded in its very first attempt. We put together the spacecraft in record time, within a mere three years from first studying its feasibility. More than half of the world's attempts to send a craft to Mars have failed, including Russia's most recent Mars mission in 2011 and Japan's Nozomi spacecraft, which missed a chance to enter orbit at Mars in 1999. NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory provided communications and navigation support to mission controllers in India. Scientists built five research instruments to fly to Mars on the Indian orbiter, which officials said is primarily a technology demonstration mission. Now that the spacecraft is in orbit at Mars, attention will turn toward scientific observations. The mission carries about 33 pounds, or 15 kilograms, of scientific instrumentation to gather data on the history of the Martian climate and the mineral make-up of its surface. The mission carries a color imaging camera to return medium-resolution pictures of the Martian surface, a thermal infrared spectrometer to measure the chemical composition of rocks and soils, and instruments to assess the Mars atmosphere, including a methane detector. Scientific assessments of methane in the Martian atmosphere have returned mixed results. Methane is a potential indicator of current microbial life on Mars, but some types of geologic activity can also produce trace levels of the gas. Modi said India developed the $72 million Mars Orbiter Mission at about one-tenth the cost of NASA's $671 million MAVEN mission, which completed its journey to the red planet with a flawless orbit insertion burn Sunday night. India's low-budget Mars mission cost less than many Hollywood films, Modi
[meteorite-list] India Planning Lunar Rover (Chandrayan-2)
http://www.dnaindia.com/ahmedabad/report-chandrayan-ii-s-rover-will-close-moon-isro-gap-1961550 Chandrayan-II's rover will close 'moon-Isro' gap DNA February 12, 2014 India's Chandrayan-II mission will see the country sending a rover and a lander on the moon surface. This was revealed by AS Kiran Kumar, director of Space Application Centre (SAC), Ahmedabad, at a press interaction organised at Isro. Kiran Kumar, who has been conferred Padma Shri, the fourth highest civilian award, was speaking on the sidelines of a felicitation function organised by Isro for his achievement. In Chandrayan-I we dropped a Moon Impact Probe on the surface while in the second mission we will send a lander and a rover on the surface which will then collect data for us. What sets the phase-II apart is that earlier we had to depend on Russia for a rover and a lander but this time around we will be making it on our own, said Kiran Kumar. According to him, the mission is likely to be ready by 2016. To a question on the possibility of a manned mission to moon, he said they were working only on critical technology development. As to where India stands globally as far as space technology is concerned, he said the space technology programme in India was aimed at addressing specific problems of the country and not to be in a race with other nations. India is the only country other than the US to have a satellite like INSAT-3D that gives it an edge in weather predictions, said Kiran Kumar. He pointed out that this was the reason why the country could correctly predict landfall and location of cyclone Phailin and minimise the loss of life. He talked of Isroâs work in helping agencies identify prospective fishing zone, crop yield forecast, etc. When quizzed about his feeling at being awarded the Padma Shri, he said the honour belonged to the entire team of SAC, not one individual. The only difference it makes is that it puts on you greater responsibility and you carry high expectations of people and the government. After the award, I carry with me the aspirations of a huge number of people, said Kiran Kumar. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] India to Sling Mars Spacecraft Into Solar Orbit on Sunday
http://www.ianslive.in/index.php?param=news/India_to_sling_Mars_craft_into_Sun_orbit_on_Sunday-404412/SCI-TECH%20and%20HEALTH/36 India to sling Mars craft into Sun orbit on Sunday. IANS Live November 28, 2013 Bangalore: India's maiden Mars craft will sling into Sun orbit early Sunday for a 280-day long voyage to reach the red planet Sep 24, 2014. The Orbiter entered the final orbit of earth early Wednesday for its trans-injection into the Sun orbit on Sunday at 00.49 a.m. for a nine-month journey to Mars through the interplanetary space, a senior space agency official said here. The craft passed its penultimate perigee (closest to equator) at 07.10 a.m. Wednesday to commence its four-day final orbit around earth to leave for Mars in the wee hours of Sunday. A 440 Newton engine will be fired for nearly 23 minutes to sling the craft into the Sun orbit at a speed of 648 metres per second for which 190 kg of fuel will be consumed, Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) scientific secretary V. Koteshwara Rao told reporters here. Orbiter has completed its six-orbit raising manoeuvres between Nov 7 and Nov 16 and crossed an apogee (farthest from equator) of 192,915 km. All is going well, Orbiter will be slung into the heliocentric (Sun) orbit towards Mars for a 680-million-long coasting distance, Rao said at the space agency's telemetry, tracking and command network (Istrac) in the city. The 1,337-kg Orbiter was launched on Nov 5 from Sriharikota spaceport off the Bay of Bengal, about 80 km north east of Chennai, on board a 350-tonne rocket with five scientific instruments to detect Methane in the Martian atmosphere, measure the thermal emission and capture images of the red planet from its orbit at a distance of 500 km. The slingshot for the trans-injection will be a complex combination of navigation and propulsion technologies, governed by the gravity of Sun and Mars, Rao said at a briefing on the Rs.450-crore mission's next phase. The Orbiter's trajectory will be achieved using the attitude and orbit control thrusters during the correction manoeuvres planned enroute. As the fourth planet from Sun and behind Earth, Mars is the second smallest celestial body in the solar system. Named after Roman god of war, it is also known as red planet due to the presence of iron oxide in abundance, giving it a reddish appearance. Though Earth and Mars have equal period of revolution around their axis, the red planet takes 24 hours and 37 minutes to complete a revolution. Earth takes around 365 days to orbit the sun and Mars 687 days. The craft will be injected into the outer space in a trajectory by precisely computing 280 days in advance the position it would achieve near Mars Sep 14, 2014, which will be 500 km above its surface at that time, Rao pointed out. The Mars Orbiter Mission (MOM) complex at Istrac is also daily conducting checks of the main bus systems, redundant systems, failure detection, reconfiguration and its scientific instruments, including its powerful colour camera. The camera, which has been activated, has demonstrated its functioning by taking a clear picture of the Indian sub-continent Nov 19 from a distance of 67,975 km with a 3.5 metre resolution. During the helio sun phase, travelling at a speed of 32.5 km per second mid-course corrections will be carried, if required, Dec 11, mid-April, mid-August and Sept 14. The Orbiter will be inserted on Sep 24 at 07:14 a.m. into the Martian orbit at 372 km periapsis (nearest to surface) and 80,000 apo-asis (farthest from surface) by firing the engine for nearly 29 minutes in the reverse direction to reduce its speed to 11,009 metres per second by consuming 24 kg fuel, Rao pointed out. The mission has also built-in mechanism for contingencies and redundancies have been built into the systems and the onboard autonomy to switch over from primary to stand by system. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] India Putting Final Touches on Mars-bound Spacecraft (MOM)
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1310/07isromars/ India putting final touches on Mars-bound spacecraft BY STEPHEN CLARK SPACEFLIGHT NOW October 7, 2013 India's first Mars probe is preparing for launch in late October on a trial run to the red planet to lay the technological foundation for future Indian deep space missions. Set for liftoff as soon as Oct. 28, the Mars Orbiter Mission will demonstrate deep space navigation and communications, interplanetary travel, spacecraft autonomy, and the complex make-or-break rocket burn to place the spacecraft in orbit around Mars. Only the United States, Russia and the European Space Agency have successfully dispatched robots to Mars before. The Indian Space Research Organization hopes to be the fourth space agency to accomplish the feat. The Indian orbiter also carries a small camera to return medium-resolution color imagery of the Martian terrain, a thermal infrared spectrometer to measure the chemical composition of the surface, and instruments to assess the Mars atmosphere, including a methane detector. But Indian officials rank the orbiter's technological objectives higher than its science goals, according to J.N. Goswami, director of ISRO's Physical Research Laboratory and a top scientist on the Mars Orbiter Mission. Goswami gave a briefing on the mission in March at the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference in Houston. Engineers put together the Mars Orbiter Mission in quick time. Goswami said ISRO approved the mission in August 2011, with all the hardware assembled on the orbiter in less than two years. Designers based the spacecraft on the Chandrayaan 1 lunar orbiter, which India successfully placed in orbit around the moon in November 2008 and successfully operated until August 2009. The $73 million Mars Orbiter Mission has a launch window opening Oct. 28 and extending through Nov. 19. The Jet Propulsion Laboratory is providing communications and navigation support for the mission, which requires the use of NASA's Deep Space Network, a set of three tracking stations in California, Spain and Australia. Indian scientists last week feared the partial shutdown of the U.S. government - caused by political wrangling in Washington - could threaten India's access to NASA's tracking and navigation expertise. NASA/JPL authorities have reaffirmed support for the Mars Orbiter Mission as planned and stated that the current U.S. government partial shutdown will not affect the schedule of Mars Orbiter Mission, ISRO said in a statement released Saturday. The spacecraft arrived at the Satish Dhawan Space Center on India's east coast Thursday after an overland trip from its factory and test facility in Bangalore. Over the next three weeks, technicians will add rocket fuel to the spacecraft, which is about the size of a compact car. Then engineers will hoist the 2,976-pound probe atop an amped-up version of India's Polar Satellite Launch Vehicle called the PSLV XL. Boosted by enlarged strap-on rocket motors, the PSLV will hurl the Mars-bound spacecraft into an elliptical loop with a peak altitude about 14,300 miles above Earth. The Mars Orbiter Mission will propel itself out of the grasp of Earth's gravity with six engine burns, concluding the escape maneuvers around Nov. 30 and embarking on a 10-month interplanetary cruise to the red planet. Arrival at Mars is scheduled for Sept. 21, 2014, one day before the arrival NASA's MAVEN Mars orbiter, which is on track for launch directly to Mars from Florida on Nov. 18. The Indian spacecraft will enter an orbit ranging in altitude from 234 miles to nearly 50,000 miles above Mars, completing a lap around the planet every 3.2 days. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] India Hammer Fall 22MAY2012
A meteorite fall occurred in the Katol area on afternoon of 22.05.2012 with a loud noise heard between 2.0 to 2.30 pm. Samples were collected from four localities in and around the Katol city. Samples collected are of stony meteorites with varying size, shape and dimensions with typical dark brown burnt surface. Compositionally these meteorites are dominated by silicates with little iron. There is very good chance of getting meteorite samples from other part of the Vidarbha area between Akola and Nagpur as huge sound with very bright and dazzling light has been noticed between Akola and Nagpur by many peoples in a stretch of around 150 km in ENEWSW direction. http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2012/05/katol-vidharbha-area-maharashtra-india.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] India Nuke Safety from meteorite strikes Kota Meteorite, India
Dear list, This article was just located in the Indian Press about the Kota meteorite fall and the safety of nuclear power plants. Sorry, the article is a bit dated but the court`s decision is still pending regarding this case. Thank you to Manoj Pai and others for your determination and resolve to find the facts concerning this case. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo http://www.zeenews.com/articles.asp?rep=2aid=412298archisec=NAT Govt to reply on steps taken to safeguard atomic power plant New Delhi, Dec 09: Seen as an alternative energy source, how safe are the country's atomic power stations from nature's threats? Concerned over the safety hazards at a nuclear plant in Rajasthan, an amateur astronomer Manoj Pai moved the Central Information Commission inquiring on precautionary measures taken by the Centre to safeguard them from natural calamities. Noting the applicant had not moved an appeal before the Appellate Authority of Department of Atomic Energy (DAE), Chief Information Commissioner Wajahat Habibullah remanded back Pai's information request to the department, directing it to reply within 15 days. Pai had filed his RTI application before information officer of DAE on September 12 last year, but did not get a reply to his query. Aggrieved on that, he moved a complaint before the Commission. Pai, a resident of Ahmedabad, wanted to know about safety hazards at Rawatbhata Atomic Power Station (RAPS) near Kota in Rajasthan from meteorite strikes. He became apprehensive after a media report quoted a senior official of Geological Survey of India saying that devastation of an unimaginable scale could have been caused had the August 2006 meteorite fall over Kota struck RAPS. His application had also queried about precautions taken by DAE, responsible for design, construction and operation of nuclear power stations, to prevent such an eventuality. Habibullah has, however, issued a show cause notice to the department's CPIO for failing to reply to Pai's application within the stipulated time as required under the RTI Act. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] India to send robotic lunar mission
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/india/news/article_1309898.php/IIT_Kanpur_developing_robot_for_Indias_moon_mission New Delhi, May 27 (IANS) When India sends its proposed moon mission in 2011, it will have a unique robot developed indigenously by student-engineers and their professors at the Indian Institute of Technology (IIT) at Kanpur. The 'SmartNav' robot being developed for the Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) will help space scientists to navigate moon's surface during the manned moon mission and provide real-time data and pictures of the surface there. The two-legged robot, fitted with sophisticated sensors and high-resolution cameras, is capable of recording information and images using laser beams. 'It can also detect the distance of a hindrance, enter a small crater, bring surface samples and return high resolution images to the lunar vehicle,' said Susmit Sen, head centre for robotics at IIT-Kanpur. 'It will also make data gathering a lot easier for astronauts,' Sen told IANS. He said the device would help the ISRO immensely during the Chandrayan-II Moon Mission in 2011. In the first moon mission scheduled in 2008, the lunar vehicle will not land on moon but only circle around its surface, he added. 'We gave ISRO scientists a detailed presentation in January 2007. They have now have shown interest in our prototype. The organisation is seriously considering collaboration with us,' added Sen, a senior research engineer. The robot has been designed and put together at a cost of Rs.2 million (under $50,000), said Sen, and added that before it ventures into the space, some more customisation will be done by his team. 'Weather conditions in space are very different than on earth. So we have agreed that our robot to space will be a four-legged device for better navigation and convenience. 'After all, the robot must survive extreme shocks and work in rough terrain and vacuum conditions.' © 2007 Indo-Asian News Service Checking Google images for moon robot India comes up with this, but I'm not sure if it is accurate: http://www.whattofix.com/images/RocketPenguin.jpg __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] India Meteorite Guessing Contest?
Hi All, Looks like we have another opportunity for a classification contest. Based upon the early photos, it sure looks like the glossy Ca-rich fusion crust of a Eucrite, with my more specific guess (hard to tell since the photo is small) of a polymict fragmental breccia with dominantly plagioclase and pyroxene clasts set into a fine-grained matrix of zoned orthopyroxene. My guess on the TKW is under 200g! What's that based upon? Well, it looks like the other fragments found are too weathered to be from this fall, and are likely from this planet (if you catch my drift). Cheers, Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India Meteorite Guessing Contest?
Martin, I concur, Eucrite. dirk ross..Tokyo --- Martin Horejsi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Looks like we have another opportunity for a classification contest. Based upon the early photos, it sure looks like the glossy Ca-rich fusion crust of a Eucrite, with my more specific guess (hard to tell since the photo is small) of a polymict fragmental breccia with dominantly plagioclase and pyroxene clasts set into a fine-grained matrix of zoned orthopyroxene. My guess on the TKW is under 200g! What's that based upon? Well, it looks like the other fragments found are too weathered to be from this fall, and are likely from this planet (if you catch my drift). Cheers, Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India Meteorite Guessing Contest?
Paving stone - basalt from the local quarry! AA - Original Message - From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Horejsi [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] India Meteorite Guessing Contest? Martin, I concur, Eucrite. dirk ross..Tokyo --- Martin Horejsi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Looks like we have another opportunity for a classification contest. Based upon the early photos, it sure looks like the glossy Ca-rich fusion crust of a Eucrite, with my more specific guess (hard to tell since the photo is small) of a polymict fragmental breccia with dominantly plagioclase and pyroxene clasts set into a fine-grained matrix of zoned orthopyroxene. My guess on the TKW is under 200g! What's that based upon? Well, it looks like the other fragments found are too weathered to be from this fall, and are likely from this planet (if you catch my drift). Cheers, Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] india irons
Hello again list.Of the 14 india irons that have fallen,are there any forsale anywhere?I might want to buy one. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] india irons
for after re-sale on ebay? Matteo --- Steve Arnold, Chicago!! [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hello again list.Of the 14 india irons that have fallen,are there any forsale anywhere?I might want to buy one. steve Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] India`s Lonar Impact Crater in Peril
Dear List, This was forwarded to me ; the persons on the list that are interested in impact craters may find this of interest. Best, Dirk Ross...Tokyo Lonar's declining salinity cause for worry, say experts Correspondent : G. Chandrashekhar SOURCE : The Indian Express, Wednesday, October 19, 2005 Pune, October 18: LONAR lake, Buldhana district's unique geological feature, has fascinated scientists for decades. The formation of the saline lake has been widely attributed to a meteor impact. But recent studies of the water by scientists from Agharkar Research Institute (ARI), Pune, say the lake is losing its unique chemical properties to human interference. Also, the salinity has been decreasing at an alarming rate, which may lead to extinction of several microbial species that thrive in it. ''In 10 years, the salinity has come down drastically - tenth of what it used to be,'' says ARI microbiologist Pradnya Kanekar. The studies were conducted between November 1993 and January 2002. A concerned Kanekar says the ph rate (which determines the acidic or alkaline nature of a substance) has come down. ''It will adversely affect the unique ecosystem of the lake. Many varieties of halophilic (salt loving) and alkaliphilic (alkaline system loving) microbes survive in the water. They will be endangered by the change.'' She warns, '' Lonar will become like any freshwater lake in the region.'' The lake is fed by many sweetwater springs that originate at the top of the hills surrounding the lake. Kanekar says human interference like removal of salt from the lake's bed during summer and pipes that discharge fresh water into it could be the reasons for the salinity going down. Her concern is shared by Geological Survey of India's senior deputy director-general (operations) and Lonar expert K.G. Bhoskar, who is likely to initiate a new study. ''Usually, the salinity changes due to rain. However, if there has been a steady decline in salinity, it is cause for concern,'' said Bhoskar. But there are bureaucratic wheels that will have to roll. ''We can only make suggestions to the government which will have to take appropriate action,'' he added. Lonar's birth LONAR is the only crater lake found in basaltic rock. It is suspected to have been formed after a meteor impact. The saline lake is 100 meters deep with a diameter of 1,830 meters. Studies by GSI geologists and scientists the world over indicate that the lake was formed some 15,000 to 30,000 years ago. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] India meteorite fall.
Does anyone have the link to the meteorite that fell in India month or so ago? A new one fell near Kendrapara, but I cant find the link someone sent. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] India space program accident.
A little off topic, but thought some list members would be interested in this article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3513841.stm Howard Wu Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] India space program accident.
The accident took place about 10 mins drive from my house back in India. Looks like there are a lot more deaths than reported. clear skies Vishnu --- Howard Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A little off topic, but thought some list members would be interested in this article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3513841.stm Howard Wu - Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now = Vishnu Vardhan Reddy Department of Space Studies University of North Dakota, Grand Forks ND 58203, USA. Phone-701-777-9641 www.geocities.com/moonyguy www.space.edu Spaceguard India www.spaceguardindia.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] India Village Has A Visitor From The Sky
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_444933,0009.htm UP village has visitor from the sky Vasishtha Bharadwaj Hindustan Times (India) November 3, 2003 Muzaffarnagar - Residents of Kasauli village near Muzaffarnagar had a surprise on Monday when a meteorite landed on a local field. Subedar Dhyansingh of Kasauli said he first heard a sound similar to that of a passing aeroplane. When he looked up, Dhyansingh saw a strange object falling on a nearby field. The villagers found that the object had made a small crater in the field. They reported the matter to the police, who dug the object out and took it to the office of SSP Navneet Sikera. The object turned out to be a meteorite. Its recovery has spurred activity in geological circles. Sikera said teams from the Geological Survey of India, Dehra Dun, Physics Research Laboratory, Ahmedabad and IIT, Roorkee are scheduled to arrive here shortly to examine the meteorite. R.P. Singh, vice-chancellor of Chaudhury Charan Singh University, Meerut, has pronounced the 19-kg meteorite as a `rare find.' He said that since meteors disintegrate after entering the earth's atmosphere, it is likely that more such fragments may be found soon. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] india meteorite fall
thanx 4 the stories! sounds like you need a good airboat and a tommy gun w/ a drum clip! hope you find more skyrox- you have definitely paid the price. this kow talk makes me wanna go get a steak. headed to ruth's chris as a result of your stories to get a fix. nice to read your post for those of us who will never go. there seems to be lots of electronic diarrhea on this list now instead of skyrock talk anf your posts breath liife back into the list. good luck and thanx again. From: Michael Farmer From: Michael Farmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] India Meteorite Report from the scene Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2003 22:53:26 -0700 (PDT) Hi everyone, internet here is little better than smoke signals, it has taken me almost 2 hours to go through 50 emails, so slow, and Matteo's crying like a 2 year old baby. Matteo, shut the hell up, PLEASE, if I see another email about "Other people is make prices ruin" I will have to beat the hell out of you when I see you (Just kidding, but only a little). OK I am in the strewnfield. I have a small piece of the meteorite. IT is an H chondrite and similar to Zag, veining and slickensides. There is EXTREME flooding here, all parts are under water, there is NO HOPE of recovering more material unless it is simply in a village and not known about yet. the strewnfield is some miles long, traveling between two villages that the local assured me were only 5 km apart by air took over 2 hours by road (if you can call it that). India is beautiful and horrible at the same time. The road is covered with untold thousands of people, dogs, cows, goats, etc, NONE of which move or are even slightly annoyed by the incessant use of the horn, we actually ran over a dogs foot yesterday, he would not move until the car ran right over him. I felt sorry for it but then again if anything is that stupid. I also wish I had a gun with me, to put some of the stupidist creature on the planet (The cow) out of their misery (or ignorant bliss) whichever it is. There are thousands of them, laying in the roads, cars just go around them whereever possible. the entire area is flooded, and I mean bad, hundreds of thousands of miles under water, looks like the ocean with small patched of trees and huts standing out of it. Roads are almost not more than small trails with everyone and everything blocking them. Most of the meteorite has been taken by the police, I am working on tracking down a couple of pieces, but it looks hopeless as it takes me 6 hours to get to the area even though it is only 70 miles away, the max spees is about 10 miles an hour on the highway and about 2 miles an hour on the village route. these are small villages, I mean aobut 10 familes each, no electricity, nothing more than some mud huts in a land of mud. I had to go on motorcycle for a few miles last night with a spectacular lightning show in the distance, it was the most eery and beatiful drive I have ever taken, the flooded swampland, cool wind, nice people and all made me fell like I was in some sort of 16 th century expedition. When we got to the village, the people showed me where a 6-8 kilo stone fell, coming down right down the slanted roof of a hut, denting in the grass roof and making a large crater at the base of the hut. That stone was taken 2 days ago, but I have two competing guys traking down the person who took it, to get it for me. We will see if this hut smasher comes home with me. I do have a 13 gram fragment of it, (They smashed it). The meteorite is like Zag, large veins and slickensides. The 6 hour trip back to town last night was the most harrowing of my life, I would say at least 50 near head on collisions with giant trucks, busses, all without lights, cars on the wrong side of the road, washed out roads, cows of course (and they would much rather drive off a cliff and die than kill a cow here!). there should be hundreds of stones, but it is all rivers and swamps and rice paddies, all under several feet of water, so virtually none will be recovered. I saw photos of the 5 kilo stone, very nice. Anyway, sorry for the format of this email, but using the computer here is not easy. Anyone thinking of coming to get some, forget it, as it is, with my 13 gram piece, i will have paid over $400.00 gram for my piece! But I will have memories of a lifetime of this hunt, which doing it alone, I already consider by far my most exotic and interesting. the people in the villages do not speak english or Hindi, but Orissi, a local tribal language. the meteorite fell only about 1/2 mile from the Bay of Bengal (but now it seems to be in the Bay of bengal with everything under water anyway). I will post more info as soon as I can. Mike Farmer Meteorite Hunter Writing from Orissa India. __ Meteorite-list mail
Re: [meteorite-list] India, new message
Mike, It is great to see that you have an altruistic side. You are well suited for your job since you love to meet new peoples. I have been in India twice this year and fully understand what you mean by the sights and sounds and smells. I can also relate to the children. During my trips I toured a few Bangladeshi camps outside of Delhi. I too have never seen such poverty. Even the people living in tin shacks with 10 children in El Salvador seem rich compared to these folks. What surprised me during my tours was how friendly the people are. The children come and stare and some want to play. Many adults are always willing to give a warm smile. In the slums I was not accosted by beggars and it was here that I gave most often in order to help. In the cities, where there are many tourists, it is difficult to stand anywhere and not be swarmed by a dozen or so beggars. The truly sad part is that these groups are controlled by local thieves and they must give the majority of what they beg to the local crime boss. This may not be universal throughout India but it is common. There is a spirituality in India that helps to transcend the poverty and hard conditions. The people are truely lovely and it is an eye-opening experience to visit. Best time is to go during the Holi festival in May before the heat waves come and then the monsoons. A visit to India (not just at the resorts) will give a westerner a much better perspective on what is going on in the world and how spoiled we really are. Can't wait to see some of your pictures Mike. Cheers, tett Owen Sound, Ontario - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 11:07 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] India, new message Good morning all. I want to clarify a couple of things, we all seem to forget that while meteorites are important, people are far more inportant. The poor people here have no luck, the rains and floods come every year, thousands die, then every few years cyclones wipe the entire area clean, only to start the cycle again. there is nowhere else for the people to go, they have to live here. I must say that the people here are the NICEST I have ever met anywhere in the world, the children are so inquisitive, we played some games yesterday while waiting in a village. I am not driven by my hunt for meteorites, I already have given away basically everything i brought except the clothes I still need to get home. there are about 20 people wearing $20 to $50 shirts, which cost more than they make in a year! I always do this, I take clothes, and toys and give them away. I had no room for toys unfortunately, but the children here live the lives they should, playing, swimming, and fishing all day. India is indeed the worts poverty and the most beautiful place I have ever seen. I will indeed be coming back, making India a high priority on my trips to see the world, it will take many trips to even get a glimpse of this large country. I cant explain what I have seen, the sights and smells, all mixed into a large collage of colors, rich and poor, dirty and pristine, all mixed together. The landscape of flloded fields, rice paddies, palm trees, towering thunderstorms, and monkeys playing in the road is like nothing i have ever seen. If you want to know this place, you must come here, photos and stories tell nothing, you must experiance it. While I might get frustrated at the roads, it is fascinating, so alien to me to see what I have seen. I thought Burkina Faso was wild, it has NOTHING on India. I highly suggest anyone with the time and means come here, you wil lnever forget it. So as far as the meteorite goes, to me this trip was a perfect success, financially it is a disaster, so when Iget home, I must hold another sale to help pay the bills which will come in the mail, regardless of whether I get any meteorite or not. You should all thank whatever god you believe in or just fate that you were fortunate enough to have what you have, these people have nothing, and the floods take even that away. then the government comes and takes their meteorite as well with no compensation whatsoever. Please note, I cannot check my comcast mail from here, for whatever reason, so if you are trying to contact me that way, please use this address, sorry I cant email all of you privately, too many emails, and internet is so hard to use here it isnt even funny. Matteo, I can now see that you are very anti-american. That is your business, but I hope anyone from the USA on this list see's that and would never deal with you again. You are nothing but a lier and a theif (Dont think that I have forgotton the pieces of Fredericksburg that you bought from me 2 years ago and never paid for)! I have written them off, they were small and I dont have the time to even try and get them or the money from you, I would never have
[meteorite-list] India report #3
Good evening. I have just got back to my hotel after a full day of tourism. I visited Konark and Puri, the most sacred place in India. It is a 2300 year old temple city, with the sun temple the most spectacular archeological item I have ever seen. It is huge, completely covered with carvings, virtually all are Kama Sutra type scenes, by this I mean extreme sex! 2300 year old pornos if you will. Unbelievable. I also saw the most horrible thing that I have ever seen in my life, i need to tell it here just to get it off my chest. As I said, every time you get in a car here, you are taking your life at serious risk. I have seen terrible remains of car wrecks all over the roads, but today saw one moments after it happened. We came upon a large bus that had litteraly crushed and ripped in hafe a minivan, here in India, the game seems to be to see how many men, women and children you can put inside a vehicle, then put some more on top, on the hood, and hangin off the sides. The bus crushed most of the van, and ripped the rest completely off. It must have happened within one or two minutes before I got there, as there were bodies piled everywhere, and blood still running out of the van all over. I saw at leat 7 or 8 dead people, with some children crushed in the metal, and parts laying on the road. there was nothing we could do, already alot of people there, but no one survived in the van, I think 10 or more people likely, but impossible to tell. I was about 2 feet from it, and I almost vomited. The children here all play in the road, and ride on the top or hang out the windows of the overloaded cars, i think most of the dead I saw where children. I am so afraid here now, driving terrifies me, and I hope that I can get out of here. We have had so many close calls that I think my share is about used up. I dont see how anyone lives here. It is terrible the way life is thrown away. I am really messed up right now, trying to forget what I saw, knowing that i will never forget that, ever. As far as the meteorite goes, we got a call that they have almost found the large piece of the hut smasher, and should call us in a few hours. I want them to bring it here, there is no way in hell that I am going back on the roads at night here ever again. Anyone who comes to India, DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCE drive at night, just stop, i dont care where you are, sleep in the car, driving at night here is worse than pointing a loaded gun at your head and pulling the trigger. I almost soiled myself so many times last night on the way back to the hotel, it isnt worth it. I have one more day to recover some meteorite, so hopefully we will get a call. If not, I will be in Calcutta for a and a half day to see the museum there, then on my way home, arriving Wednesday night, home for a week, then on to Gifhorn and Munich shows. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Farmer, you are only a little idiot, come here and you see who crylittle boy. Ah what method you use for take off India the all material take, you have the permission? Pertain the prices, you are the first one that ruins them with your auctions on Ebay, and then claim prices highs in your sites. I not understand why this character does not be been thrown outside from the List, seen that is the first one that attaches the persons with its stupidity Regards Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, internet here is little better than smoke signals, it has taken me almost 2 hours to go through 50 emails, so slow, and Matteo's crying like a 2 year old baby. Matteo, shut the hell up, PLEASE, if I see another email about Other people is make prices ruin I will have to beat the hell out of you when I see you (Just kidding, but only a little). OK I am in the strewnfield. I have a small piece of the meteorite. IT is an H chondrite and similar to Zag, veining and slickensides. There is EXTREME flooding here, all parts are under water, there is NO HOPE of recovering more material unless it is simply in a village and not known about yet. the strewnfield is some miles long, traveling between two villages that the local assured me were only 5 km apart by air took over 2 hours by road (if you can call it that). India is beautiful and horrible at the same time. The road is covered with untold thousands of people, dogs, cows, goats, etc, NONE of which move or are even slightly annoyed by the incessant use of the horn, we actually ran over a dogs foot yesterday, he would not move until the car ran right over him. I felt sorry for it but then again if anything is that stupid. I also wish I had a gun with me, to put some of the stupidist creature on the planet (The cow) out of their misery (or ignorant bliss) whichever it is. There are thousands of them, laying in the roads, cars just go around them whereever possible. the entire area is flooded, and I mean bad, hundreds of thousands of miles under water, looks like the ocean with small patched of trees and huts standing out of it. Roads are almost not more than small trails with everyone and everything blocking them. Most of the meteorite has been taken by the police, I am working on tracking down a couple of pieces, but it looks hopeless as it takes me 6 hours to get to the area even though it is only 70 miles away, the max spees is about 10 miles an hour on the highway and about 2 miles an hour on the village route. these are small villages, I mean aobut 10 familes each, no electricity, nothing more than some mud huts in a land of mud. I had to go on motorcycle for a few miles last night with a spectacular lightning show in the distance, it was the most eery and beatiful drive I have ever taken, the flooded swampland, cool wind, nice people and all made me fell like I was in some sort of 16 th century expedition. When we got to the village, the people showed me where a 6-8 kilo stone fell, coming down right down the slanted roof of a hut, denting in the grass roof and making a large crater at the base of the hut. That stone was taken 2 days ago, but I have two competing guys traking down the person who took it, to get it for me. We will see if this hut smasher comes home with me. I do have a 13 gram fragment of it, (They smashed it). The meteorite is like Zag, large veins and slickensides. The 6 hour trip back to town last night was the most harrowing of my life, I would say at least 50 near head on collisions with giant trucks, busses, all without lights, cars on the wrong side of the road, washed out roads, cows of course (and they would much rather drive off a cliff and die than kill a cow here!). there should be hundreds of stones, but it is all rivers and swamps and rice paddies, all under several feet of water, so virtually none will be recovered. I saw photos of the 5 kilo stone, very nice. Anyway, sorry for the format of this email, but using the computer here is not easy. Anyone thinking of coming to get some, forget it, as it is, with my 13 gram piece, i will have paid over $400.00 gram for my piece! But I will have memories of a lifetime of this hunt, which doing it alone, I already consider by far my most exotic and interesting. the people in the villages do not speak english or Hindi, but Orissi, a local tribal language. the meteorite fell only about 1/2 mile from the Bay of Bengal (but now it seems to be in the Bay of bengal with everything under water anyway). I will post more info as soon as I can. Mike Farmer Meteorite Hunter Writing from Orissa India. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 -
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Yeah, right, SHOW ME, that is what I say, Matteo, I will hound you inceesently about this little lie you just told. Anyway, it shows what a coward you are, what, not man enought to take the risks like I do, to go see where meteorites fall, or are you taking Caspers place as the money hunry dealer, not the slightest interested in the story as you are in making money. That Matteo, is what makes you and I so very different. I hope you enjoy opening your package should it actually arrive, I will look at my 13 gram piece, smile remembering buying it from the finder in the village that before yesterday, I never knew existed, in a beautiful and very strange place. Matteo, have you ever left Italy? Mike Farmer --- M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am underr contact for buy 1 kilos of material, and all from my home, not come in India .SHHH --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, internet here is little better than smoke signals, it has taken me almost 2 hours to go through 50 emails, so slow, and Matteo's crying like a 2 year old baby. Matteo, shut the hell up, PLEASE, if I see another email about Other people is make prices ruin I will have to beat the hell out of you when I see you (Just kidding, but only a little). OK I am in the strewnfield. I have a small piece of the meteorite. IT is an H chondrite and similar to Zag, veining and slickensides. There is EXTREME flooding here, all parts are under water, there is NO HOPE of recovering more material unless it is simply in a village and not known about yet. the strewnfield is some miles long, traveling between two villages that the local assured me were only 5 km apart by air took over 2 hours by road (if you can call it that). India is beautiful and horrible at the same time. The road is covered with untold thousands of people, dogs, cows, goats, etc, NONE of which move or are even slightly annoyed by the incessant use of the horn, we actually ran over a dogs foot yesterday, he would not move until the car ran right over him. I felt sorry for it but then again if anything is that stupid. I also wish I had a gun with me, to put some of the stupidist creature on the planet (The cow) out of their misery (or ignorant bliss) whichever it is. There are thousands of them, laying in the roads, cars just go around them whereever possible. the entire area is flooded, and I mean bad, hundreds of thousands of miles under water, looks like the ocean with small patched of trees and huts standing out of it. Roads are almost not more than small trails with everyone and everything blocking them. Most of the meteorite has been taken by the police, I am working on tracking down a couple of pieces, but it looks hopeless as it takes me 6 hours to get to the area even though it is only 70 miles away, the max spees is about 10 miles an hour on the highway and about 2 miles an hour on the village route. these are small villages, I mean aobut 10 familes each, no electricity, nothing more than some mud huts in a land of mud. I had to go on motorcycle for a few miles last night with a spectacular lightning show in the distance, it was the most eery and beatiful drive I have ever taken, the flooded swampland, cool wind, nice people and all made me fell like I was in some sort of 16 th century expedition. When we got to the village, the people showed me where a 6-8 kilo stone fell, coming down right down the slanted roof of a hut, denting in the grass roof and making a large crater at the base of the hut. That stone was taken 2 days ago, but I have two competing guys traking down the person who took it, to get it for me. We will see if this hut smasher comes home with me. I do have a 13 gram fragment of it, (They smashed it). The meteorite is like Zag, large veins and slickensides. The 6 hour trip back to town last night was the most harrowing of my life, I would say at least 50 near head on collisions with giant trucks, busses, all without lights, cars on the wrong side of the road, washed out roads, cows of course (and they would much rather drive off a cliff and die than kill a cow here!). there should be hundreds of stones, but it is all rivers and swamps and rice paddies, all under several feet of water, so virtually none will be recovered. I saw photos of the 5 kilo stone, very nice. Anyway, sorry for the format of this email, but using the computer here is not easy. Anyone thinking of coming to get some, forget it, as it is, with my 13 gram piece, i will have paid over $400.00 gram for my piece! But I will have memories of a lifetime of this hunt, which doing it alone, I already consider by far my most exotic and interesting. the people in the villages do not speak english or
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WOW, all I can say is WOW, I have seen your photos, if you have not seen mine, I suggest you look. It was a joke, but with just a little nudjing, i could take it serious. Is there anyone esle who is tired of Matteo? I already know who is tired of me. Mike Farmer. --- M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Farmer, you are only a little idiot, come here and you see who crylittle boy. Ah what method you use for take off India the all material take, you have the permission? Pertain the prices, you are the first one that ruins them with your auctions on Ebay, and then claim prices highs in your sites. I not understand why this character does not be been thrown outside from the List, seen that is the first one that attaches the persons with its stupidity Regards Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, internet here is little better than smoke signals, it has taken me almost 2 hours to go through 50 emails, so slow, and Matteo's crying like a 2 year old baby. Matteo, shut the hell up, PLEASE, if I see another email about Other people is make prices ruin I will have to beat the hell out of you when I see you (Just kidding, but only a little). OK I am in the strewnfield. I have a small piece of the meteorite. IT is an H chondrite and similar to Zag, veining and slickensides. There is EXTREME flooding here, all parts are under water, there is NO HOPE of recovering more material unless it is simply in a village and not known about yet. the strewnfield is some miles long, traveling between two villages that the local assured me were only 5 km apart by air took over 2 hours by road (if you can call it that). India is beautiful and horrible at the same time. The road is covered with untold thousands of people, dogs, cows, goats, etc, NONE of which move or are even slightly annoyed by the incessant use of the horn, we actually ran over a dogs foot yesterday, he would not move until the car ran right over him. I felt sorry for it but then again if anything is that stupid. I also wish I had a gun with me, to put some of the stupidist creature on the planet (The cow) out of their misery (or ignorant bliss) whichever it is. There are thousands of them, laying in the roads, cars just go around them whereever possible. the entire area is flooded, and I mean bad, hundreds of thousands of miles under water, looks like the ocean with small patched of trees and huts standing out of it. Roads are almost not more than small trails with everyone and everything blocking them. Most of the meteorite has been taken by the police, I am working on tracking down a couple of pieces, but it looks hopeless as it takes me 6 hours to get to the area even though it is only 70 miles away, the max spees is about 10 miles an hour on the highway and about 2 miles an hour on the village route. these are small villages, I mean aobut 10 familes each, no electricity, nothing more than some mud huts in a land of mud. I had to go on motorcycle for a few miles last night with a spectacular lightning show in the distance, it was the most eery and beatiful drive I have ever taken, the flooded swampland, cool wind, nice people and all made me fell like I was in some sort of 16 th century expedition. When we got to the village, the people showed me where a 6-8 kilo stone fell, coming down right down the slanted roof of a hut, denting in the grass roof and making a large crater at the base of the hut. That stone was taken 2 days ago, but I have two competing guys traking down the person who took it, to get it for me. We will see if this hut smasher comes home with me. I do have a 13 gram fragment of it, (They smashed it). The meteorite is like Zag, large veins and slickensides. The 6 hour trip back to town last night was the most harrowing of my life, I would say at least 50 near head on collisions with giant trucks, busses, all without lights, cars on the wrong side of the road, washed out roads, cows of course (and they would much rather drive off a cliff and die than kill a cow here!). there should be hundreds of stones, but it is all rivers and swamps and rice paddies, all under several feet of water, so virtually none will be recovered. I saw photos of the 5 kilo stone, very nice. Anyway, sorry for the format of this email, but using the computer here is not easy. Anyone thinking of coming to get some, forget it, as it is, with my 13 gram piece, i will have paid over $400.00 gram for my piece! But I will have memories of a lifetime of this hunt, which doing it alone, I already consider by far my most exotic and interesting. the people in the villages do not speak english or Hindi, but Orissi, a local tribal language. the meteorite fell only
Re: [meteorite-list] India Meteorite Report from the scene
I not understand why this character does not be been thrown outside from the List, seen that is the first one that attaches the persons with its stupidity Regards Matteo You're still her aren't you? Dave __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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or who is tired of you and your arrogance emailsprobably never you see here in list write in pubblic a opinion on you of a member, but is suffice for me to know who it is against of you, and bushels getting tired a lot of persons with your arrogance. Come one members, write in pubblic it does thought of it of this character, have for case fear of him? Stop to broken me or the spam box is ready for you. Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: WOW, all I can say is WOW, I have seen your photos, if you have not seen mine, I suggest you look. It was a joke, but with just a little nudjing, i could take it serious. Is there anyone esle who is tired of Matteo? I already know who is tired of me. Mike Farmer. --- M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Farmer, you are only a little idiot, come here and you see who crylittle boy. Ah what method you use for take off India the all material take, you have the permission? Pertain the prices, you are the first one that ruins them with your auctions on Ebay, and then claim prices highs in your sites. I not understand why this character does not be been thrown outside from the List, seen that is the first one that attaches the persons with its stupidity Regards Matteo --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, internet here is little better than smoke signals, it has taken me almost 2 hours to go through 50 emails, so slow, and Matteo's crying like a 2 year old baby. Matteo, shut the hell up, PLEASE, if I see another email about Other people is make prices ruin I will have to beat the hell out of you when I see you (Just kidding, but only a little). OK I am in the strewnfield. I have a small piece of the meteorite. IT is an H chondrite and similar to Zag, veining and slickensides. There is EXTREME flooding here, all parts are under water, there is NO HOPE of recovering more material unless it is simply in a village and not known about yet. the strewnfield is some miles long, traveling between two villages that the local assured me were only 5 km apart by air took over 2 hours by road (if you can call it that). India is beautiful and horrible at the same time. The road is covered with untold thousands of people, dogs, cows, goats, etc, NONE of which move or are even slightly annoyed by the incessant use of the horn, we actually ran over a dogs foot yesterday, he would not move until the car ran right over him. I felt sorry for it but then again if anything is that stupid. I also wish I had a gun with me, to put some of the stupidist creature on the planet (The cow) out of their misery (or ignorant bliss) whichever it is. There are thousands of them, laying in the roads, cars just go around them whereever possible. the entire area is flooded, and I mean bad, hundreds of thousands of miles under water, looks like the ocean with small patched of trees and huts standing out of it. Roads are almost not more than small trails with everyone and everything blocking them. Most of the meteorite has been taken by the police, I am working on tracking down a couple of pieces, but it looks hopeless as it takes me 6 hours to get to the area even though it is only 70 miles away, the max spees is about 10 miles an hour on the highway and about 2 miles an hour on the village route. these are small villages, I mean aobut 10 familes each, no electricity, nothing more than some mud huts in a land of mud. I had to go on motorcycle for a few miles last night with a spectacular lightning show in the distance, it was the most eery and beatiful drive I have ever taken, the flooded swampland, cool wind, nice people and all made me fell like I was in some sort of 16 th century expedition. When we got to the village, the people showed me where a 6-8 kilo stone fell, coming down right down the slanted roof of a hut, denting in the grass roof and making a large crater at the base of the hut. That stone was taken 2 days ago, but I have two competing guys traking down the person who took it, to get it for me. We will see if this hut smasher comes home with me. I do have a 13 gram fragment of it, (They smashed it). The meteorite is like Zag, large veins and slickensides. The 6 hour trip back to town last night was the most harrowing of my life, I would say at least 50 near head on collisions with giant trucks, busses, all without lights, cars on the wrong side of the road, washed out roads, cows of course (and they would much rather drive off a cliff and die than kill a cow here!). there should be hundreds of stones, but it is all rivers and swamps and rice
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OK Matteo, you asked for it. I think you should back off of all your meteorwrongs on eBay crap. Frankly Scarlet, I don't give a damn! You are giving the IMCA a bad name with all your harrassment. Second of all, you may despise the US collector/dealers, but most deliver their product without blaming the Italian Post Office for not arriving as planned (or at all). Third of all, over here, you buy something, you pay for it. That's just the way it goesthe American (and every other country's) way. That goes for the UK (which is part of Europe, last I checked) as well. Don't play Miss Goody-Two-Shoes around here with me. I'm sorry, but I couldn't take any more babble from this YOU. I apologize if I have offended anyone other than you-know-who. Put me down for a Farmer votehe may be hot-headed but at least he's: willing to take a risk, be punctual, and deliver. Dave M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: or who is tired of you and your arrogance emailsprobably never you see here in list write in pubblic a opinion on you of a member, but is suffice for me to know who it is against of you, and bushels getting tired a lot of persons with your arrogance. Come one members, write in pubblic it does thought of it of this character, have for case fear of him? Stop to broken me or the spam box is ready for you. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India Meteorite Report from the scene
I have asked an opinion to you? You go to read my feedbacks on ebay and write me where is my delays in the delivery of a pack, not even one. Instead with other here present persons of delays of it quite I had, and above all people that has taken the money and never sent the material, I repeat, I monitor all the Italian customs and know if the package is passed or no. Besides, I find a what absolutely indecent that I pay a meteorite the next day won it on Ebay, and this should be sent who knows when because the person is known, does not answer immediately and does it after months. Well to this person arrives immediately the negative feedback and I warning also Ebay, thing that I do between few days after have informed it for the umpteenth time via email, seen I have pay the auction in the 25 August. The reliability of some dealers here inside is not for good nothing. Besides I would want actual to know where I would have abused the name IMCA, seen that I inform only the list of the fake meteorites on sale on ebay. Matteo --- DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK Matteo, you asked for it. I think you should back off of all your meteorwrongs on eBay crap. Frankly Scarlet, I don't give a damn! You are giving the IMCA a bad name with all your harrassment. Second of all, you may despise the US collector/dealers, but most deliver their product without blaming the Italian Post Office for not arriving as planned (or at all). Third of all, over here, you buy something, you pay for it. That's just the way it goesthe American (and every other country's) way. That goes for the UK (which is part of Europe, last I checked) as well. Don't play Miss Goody-Two-Shoes around here with me. I'm sorry, but I couldn't take any more babble from this YOU. I apologize if I have offended anyone other than you-know-who. Put me down for a Farmer votehe may be hot-headed but at least he's: willing to take a risk, be punctual, and deliver. Dave M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: or who is tired of you and your arrogance emailsprobably never you see here in list write in pubblic a opinion on you of a member, but is suffice for me to know who it is against of you, and bushels getting tired a lot of persons with your arrogance. Come one members, write in pubblic it does thought of it of this character, have for case fear of him? Stop to broken me or the spam box is ready for you. = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India Meteorite Report from the scene
Michael, With the exception of the initial Matteo rant, which kind of turned me off, the India trip report I find very interesting. Keep this up; these on site field reports. That is where you shine. Steve Schoner/ams Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, internet here is little better than smokesignals, it has taken me almost 2 hours to go through50 emails, so slow, and Matteo's crying like a 2 yearold baby. Matteo, shut the hell up, PLEASE, if I seeanother email about "Other people is make prices ruin"I will have to beat the hell out of you when I see you(Just kidding, but only a little).OKI am in the strewnfield. I have a small piece of the meteorite. IT is an Hchondrite and similar to Zag, veining andslickensides. There is EXTREME flooding here, all parts are underwater, there is NO HOPE of recovering more materialunless it is simply in a village and not known aboutyet. the strewnfield is some miles long, travelingbetween two villages that the local assured me wereonly 5 km apart by air took over 2 hours by road (ifyou can call it that). India is beautiful and horribleat the same time. The road is covered with untoldthousands of people, dogs, cows, goats, etc, NONE ofwhich move or are even slightly annoyed by theincessant use of the horn, we actually ran over a dogsfoot yesterday, he would not move until the car ranright over him. I felt sorry for it but then again ifanything is that stupid.I also wish I had a gun with me, to put some of thestupidist creature on the planet (The cow) out oftheir misery (or ignorant bliss) whichever it is.There are thousands of them, laying in the roads, carsjust go around them whereever possible. the entire area is flooded, and I mean bad, hundredsof thousands of miles under water, looks like theocean with small patched of trees and huts standingout of it. Roads are almost not more than small trailswith everyone and everything blocking them.Most of the meteorite has been taken by the police, Iam working on tracking down a couple of pieces, but itlooks hopeless as it takes me 6 hours to get to thearea even though it is only 70 miles away, the maxspees is about 10 miles an hour on the highway andabout 2 miles an hour on the village route. these are small villages, I mean aobut 10 famileseach, no electricity, nothing more than some mud hutsin a land of mud. I had to go on motorcycle for a fewmiles last night with a spectacular lightning show inthe distance, it was the most eery and beatiful driveI have ever taken, the flooded swampland, cool wind,nice people and all made me fell like I was in somesort of 16 th century expedition. When we got to thevillage, the people showed me where a 6-8 kilo stonefell, coming down right down the slanted roof of ahut, denting in the grass roof and making a largecrater at the base of the hut. That stone was taken 2days ago, but I have two competing guys traking downthe person who took it, to get it for me. We will seeif this hut smasher comes home with me. I do have a 13gram fragment of it, (They smashed it). The meteoriteis like Zag, large veins and slickensides.The 6 hour trip back to town last night was the mostharrowing of my life, I would say at least 50 nearhead on collisions with giant trucks, busses, allwithout lights, cars on the wrong side of the road,washed out roads, cows of course (and they would muchrather drive off a cliff and die than kill a cowhere!).there should be hundreds of stones, but it is allrivers and swamps and rice paddies, all under severalfeet of water, so virtually none will be recovered.I saw photos of the 5 kilo stone, very nice. Anyway, sorry for the format of this email, but usingthe computer here is not easy.Anyone thinking of coming to get some, forget it, asit is, with my 13 gram piece, i will have paid over$400.00 gram for my piece! But I will have memories ofa lifetime of this hunt, which doing it alone, Ialready consider by far my most exotic andinteresting. the people in the villages do not speak english orHindi, but Orissi, a local tribal language. the meteorite fell only about 1/2 mile from the Bay ofBengal (but now it seems to be in the Bay of bengalwith everything under water anyway). I will post more info as soon as I can. Mike FarmerMeteorite HunterWriting from Orissa India.__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
[meteorite-list] India report #2.
Good evening everyone, it is 10 pm here in Bhubaneswar India. another rainy day, more flooding, lots of problems. I went back to Kendrapara today, and was able to break through the absolutely hopeless Indian beurocracy and see the meteorites. I had to go to their version of a state or city hall, the place in charge of the surrounding area. They are working on the flood emergency, and told me that over 1000 villages are submerged and so many people dead, interestingly the Indian Government only reports 17 dead, and according to the locals, it is in the hundreds. Anyway, after alot of talking, explaining who I was and liberal if not quite true use of the word University, and making formal request letters to see and photograph the stones, the convened a meeting, made alot of phone calls, and just at dark I finally got authorization to go to the finance department and open the vault and play with the meteorites. The two stones they still have here are 5.7 kilos and a 500 gram fragment. They are stored in a large metal lock box, sealed with cord and then sealed with a wax stamp to avoid tampering. They do not really know what they are, and with the government people all demanding the stones, they have refused to release them to anyone since they do not understand who they belong to. It seems that the local and federal government are about to fight over them. I got to fully examine them, and took about 40 photos, but since the sun had set and they had one tiny light in the building, I dont know how well they will come out. The large stone was very nicely regmaglypted, but one side was broken off, and already very badly weathered only two weeks after the fall. The wet climate takes it's toll on meteorites fast. The other piece was from another stone which the villagers had broken up, and the other pieces have all been taken already. It is a breccia, like I said nice slickensides, i could not see many chondrules, but clearly an H chondrite. There is no possibility of any acquisition of these pieces, they made a special file just for me that I opened the box and examined the stone. It seems that in India, a file is made for even the slightest thing, as I said, just to see the stones I had to make a formal letter, get it signed by about 20 people, and authorized by countless more by telephone. The local government people were absolutely fascinated though. they asked me so many questions, and one of them thought that this was the first time in history that a stone had fallen from space, hence the reluctance to even show them. They were all afraid of radiation or viruses, and all did not understand why the stone burned. I explained the super high velocity is the cause of the fireball and burning, but they could not comprehend a stone burning because it was moving so fast. there was also an armed guard there while I opened the box! I was reported to the police by the cheif of the Suniti village, where the large stone fell, he wanted me to give him money yesterday so that he could get me a stone, I refused so I guess he called the state police today and reported me stealing a large stone, the police were surprised when I showed up at the station today, as I could only be the American who was to be arrested on sight. Of course they laughed it off, I did not find it quite as ammusing. Overall, even though the extreme beurocracy is what seems to stifle the Indian government, they were all very nice and just wanted to cover their own butts as it was explained to me. I doubt I will get any other pieces, so tomorrow is a tourism day, beach and temples. I saw alot of very tame monkeys today, ad even fed a few some bananas from on top of my head! You put a little banana up on your head, and the monkeys run right up your back and sit on your head eating away! I must say, that I appreciate every single day of travel that meteorites have brought me, even though it seems I will lose my shirt on this trip, oh well, ill make it up next time when I get the next fall. I am so pleased that I got my own little piece of this fall, bought right from the tiny village where it smashed the edge of a hut. I will never part with that piece. I have tons of photos, and will make a nice web page when I get home. But hey, all is not over yet, we are waiting on a phone call from the villages, and if it comes Ill go get a large stone, it is out there, hiding from me for now, but I have two more full days here in the strewnfield to make up for lost time. For those of you who like these rambling emails, thanks for listening, for those who hate me, oh well, I will never apologize for being myself, I may say things that should not be said sometimes, and I am sorry for that, but to me I value a person who speaks their mind and lets their feelings be known much more than a coward who lies to your face. I am exausted again, driving at night here is the worst kind of Russian Roulette, and it takes it's toll. Until tomorrow. Another
Re: [meteorite-list] India report #2.
Mike, Just wanted to thank you for taking me - and everyone else on the List - along with you on your latest hunting adventure. I'm one of the, shall we say, "less well off" members of the List, and I can't afford to jump on a plane and do an Indiana Jones like you do, so it is always a treat to be able to travel virtually with you, and others, to far flung corners of the globe in search of new specimens. I wish you nothing but good fortune on this trip, seriously. What I think some others in this community forget is that you're representing ALL of us out there, and I think you're doing a bloody good job, if you'll excuse my language. So, good luck out there - go get 'em! :-) My own travelling is rather more modest. Two weeks ago I was up in the Shetland Islands - a scattering of tree-less, wind-swept, sea-battered, aurora-lit rocky outcrops so far north of Scotland they're almost as close to Norway as they are to the British mainland - doing some "Outreach" work in schools up there. It rained almost the whole week, so much I was either going to start growing gills or building a big boat and rounding up pairs of animals, but I had an amazing time. I visited 5 different schools in 5 days, some small, some big, but all the kids I talked to - and the total must have been around 400 over the week - were fascinated by astronomy, and absolutely hypnotised by the selection of meteorites I took along with me to show them and let them hold. Up there, almost totally free from light pollution, and blessed with skies that overflow with stars when the icy North Atlantic winds blow the clouds away, they've had a spectacular view of Mars over the summer, so you can imagine how thrilled they were to be able to see and actually hold tiny pieces of Zagami. My much-travelled Canyon Diablo was passed around again and again, and other pieces were received just as enthusiastically. Wonderful kids, really, so polite and curious, and such fun too! In a school on a tiny island called Whallsay, one girl, Heather, patiently listened to me telling her group how cold Pluto was then raised her hand with a question: "So," she asked in her almost-Scandanavian accent, face absolutely dead-pan serious, "if I went to Pluto with my cat, and threw it outside without a spacesuit on, would it freeze solid?" That was enough of a stunner, but when she went on to enquire if her petrified cat would "break into bits" if she hit it with a hammer I lost it, totally cracked up, even as the teacher looked on aghast, hand over mouth, from the sidelines. ( Turned out the class had seen a demonstration of a rose dipped in liquid oxygen the week before, and Heather put two and two together to make 5...! ) The Shetlands are Viking country, and the Norse mythology about the sky, particularly the aurora, is fascinating. Apparently when the Norse people witnessed an aurora they thought they were seeing, among other things, the Dead playing with the head of a walrus, or clans of gods fighting, splashing blood (the red aurora) across the sky... Didn't find any meteorites as I wandered the broad, sandy beaches, under a truly enormous sky, but maybe next time. What I do have, which is almost as good, is a big pile of Thank You letters from many of the kids I met, many of them sharing their excitement about getting to hold the meteorites and "bits of Mars", which are very special. So, not exactly India, but just as exciting in its own way. Good luck out there Mike, you're doing a fine job. I'm sure I speak for a lot of folks on this List, the silent majority, when I say that I'm proud of ya - and very grateful for letting me ride in your pocket as you hunt! Take care, Stu
Re: [meteorite-list] India note and meteorite deaths.
Great story, Mike, but I don't concider dying of a heart attack a meteorite kill. No more than someone dying of a heart attach ifthey found outthey paid thousands of dollars for what latter turned out to be a piece of slag. Would you call that a meteorwrong death? Howard WuMichael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matteo, you are so full of %$%$. You claim to havemade a higher offer on a kilo than me? That is a neattrick since I have not made a single offer on anythingas there is nothing to be had. The only piece I madean offer on is sitting in my hotel safe, as I boughtit. The large pieces are firmly locked in policehands. Perhaps you are smoking crack tonight? This isa Casper tactic, if you have not, what the hell, claimyou have anyway. I just hope for meteorite collectingsake, that you dont try to pull some crap and sellanother meteorite as this one, you have been caughtonce before with your fake Italian fall. Anyone whodoes not know what I am talking about, ask me when Iget home, I can show your where Matteo had a supposednew fall from Italy denounced and the name removedfrom the Meteoritical bulletin. It seems that he soldsome stones that scientifically turned out to bePultusk stones. Buyer beware. I also loved the part about your "Indian sources". youmean Atar? a person who is 25000 kilometers fromIndia? I am laughing my ass off. The people here 10kilometers from the village cant tell you where thenext village is, much less get on the internet, andquickly contact of all people Matteo Chineletto inItaly. I am on the ground here with $10,000 in mypocket, enought money to buy 10 or 12 villages, andyet I cant get anything, but you matteo, being offeredkilos of stones, JEEEZ, do you think we are all thatfrigin stupid? It is you my friend that is living in adreamland. Wake up. Ill be reminding you and everyoneelse of your claim from time to time, just to seewhere this piece is. The truth about this fall is interesting enough, liesare not needed to make it more dramatic, it hasalready killed one man, that is confirmed that an oldman had a heart attack when the meteorite fell, he wastaken to the local clinic and then moved to a largerhospital in Cuttack where he died. Mike Farmer__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listWant to chat instantly with your online friends? Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger
Re: [meteorite-list] India report #2.
Mike, Thanks for making the effort to post a report of your adventure in India. News like yours makes wading through the garbage on the Meteorite List worth the effort. and Matteo, I know there are several List members who have had to deal with your unorthodox and questionable business ethics, including myself. Most have kept quiet because they know it's good form to keep one's mouth shut most of the time. However, when you provoke responses from the likes of good characters like Dave Freeman and Dave Andrews, you're starting to step on more than just people's toes. Brothers Andrews and Freeman have expressed their opinions concerning you incessant whining and complaining, and there will be more to follow if you continue your banal rhetoric. You certainly don't want more testimonials to make their way to this List, do you? Your silence would be greatly appreciated, John Gwilliam At 09:52 AM 10/10/03 -0700, Michael Farmer wrote: Good evening everyone, it is 10 pm here in Bhubaneswar India. another rainy day, more flooding, lots of problems. I went back to Kendrapara today, and was able to break through the absolutely hopeless Indian beurocracy and see the meteorites. I had to go to their version of a state or city hall, the place in charge of the surrounding area. They are working on the flood emergency, and told me that over 1000 villages are submerged and so many people dead, interestingly the Indian Government only reports 17 dead, and according to the locals, it is in the hundreds. Anyway, after alot of talking, explaining who I was and liberal if not quite true use of the word University, and making formal request letters to see and photograph the stones, the convened a meeting, made alot of phone calls, and just at dark I finally got authorization to go to the finance department and open the vault and play with the meteorites. The two stones they still have here are 5.7 kilos and a 500 gram fragment. They are stored in a large metal lock box, sealed with cord and then sealed with a wax stamp to avoid tampering. They do not really know what they are, and with the government people all demanding the stones, they have refused to release them to anyone since they do not understand who they belong to. It seems that the local and federal government are about to fight over them. I got to fully examine them, and took about 40 photos, but since the sun had set and they had one tiny light in the building, I dont know how well they will come out. The large stone was very nicely regmaglypted, but one side was broken off, and already very badly weathered only two weeks after the fall. The wet climate takes it's toll on meteorites fast. The other piece was from another stone which the villagers had broken up, and the other pieces have all been taken already. It is a breccia, like I said nice slickensides, i could not see many chondrules, but clearly an H chondrite. There is no possibility of any acquisition of these pieces, they made a special file just for me that I opened the box and examined the stone. It seems that in India, a file is made for even the slightest thing, as I said, just to see the stones I had to make a formal letter, get it signed by about 20 people, and authorized by countless more by telephone. The local government people were absolutely fascinated though. they asked me so many questions, and one of them thought that this was the first time in history that a stone had fallen from space, hence the reluctance to even show them. They were all afraid of radiation or viruses, and all did not understand why the stone burned. I explained the super high velocity is the cause of the fireball and burning, but they could not comprehend a stone burning because it was moving so fast. there was also an armed guard there while I opened the box! I was reported to the police by the cheif of the Suniti village, where the large stone fell, he wanted me to give him money yesterday so that he could get me a stone, I refused so I guess he called the state police today and reported me stealing a large stone, the police were surprised when I showed up at the station today, as I could only be the American who was to be arrested on sight. Of course they laughed it off, I did not find it quite as ammusing. Overall, even though the extreme beurocracy is what seems to stifle the Indian government, they were all very nice and just wanted to cover their own butts as it was explained to me. I doubt I will get any other pieces, so tomorrow is a tourism day, beach and temples. I saw alot of very tame monkeys today, ad even fed a few some bananas from on top of my head! You put a little banana up on your head, and the monkeys run right up your back and sit on your head eating away! I must say, that I appreciate every single day of travel that meteorites have brought me, even though it seems I will lose my shirt on this trip, oh well, ill make it up next time when I get the next fall. I am so
Re: [meteorite-list] India report #2.
--- John Gwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matteo, I know there are several List members who have had to deal with your unorthodox and questionable business ethics, including myself. Most have kept quiet because they know it's good form to keep one's mouth shut most of the time. However, when you provoke responses from the likes of good characters like Dave Freeman and Dave Andrews, you're starting to step on more than just people's toes. Brothers Andrews and Freeman have expressed their opinions concerning you incessant whining and complaining, and there will be more to follow if you continue your banal rhetoric. You certainly don't want more testimonials to make their way to this List, do you? Your silence would be greatly appreciated, Ah yes. ... who have been these persons, I am actual curious to know, but I see that here it is threatened but not speaks. Pertain the meteorites, big little, gained from you always I paid immediately, see also on ebay, while with a certain meteorite you pretended of not understand that I wanted to buy it when had given it ok that was on hold for me, and after few minutes had been sold. I repeat, to all the persons that I have sold meteorites any of this has complained, therefore I do not know where you dream you these persons that did not do questionable business with me, while to the opposite one I should say it with who did questionable business, and it seems to have me also written. Pertain my silence, if I want I am quiet, not you of secure you make myself be quiet. Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India report #2.
M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: --- John Gwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matteo, I know there are several List members who have had to deal with your unorthodox and questionable business ethics, including myself. Most have kept quiet because they know it's good form to keep one's mouth shut most of the time. However, when you provoke responses from the likes of good characters like Dave Freeman and Dave Andrews, you're starting to step on more than just people's toes. Brothers Andrews and Freeman have expressed their opinions concerning you incessant whining and complaining, and there will be more to follow if you continue your banal rhetoric. You certainly don't want more testimonials to make their way to this List, do you? Your silence would be greatly appreciated, Ah yes. ... who have been these persons, I am actual curious to know, but I see that here it is threatened but not speaks. Pertain the meteorites, big little, gained from you always I paid immediately, see also on ebay, while with a certain meteorite you pretended of not understand that I wanted to buy it when had given it ok that was on hold for me, and after few minutes had been sold. I repeat, to all the persons that I have sold meteorites any of this has complained, therefore I do not know where you dream you these persons that did not do questionable business with me, while to the opposite one I should say it with who did questionable business, and it seems to have me also written. Pertain my silence, if I want I am quiet, not you of secure you make myself be quiet. Matteo Matteo, Your mail is filtered into my trash bin but others continue to quote your e-mails on their posts. I do not want to be included in your satisfied customer group so I'll speak up as you have asked. In fact, I have spoken up for over a year if you had noticed. Have you ever visited my Links page on my Meteorite Studies website? If so you would have seen a link at the end of the list titled Once burnt, twice shy. I maintain this page with all due deliberation. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] India report #2
Stu wrote: Mike, Just wanted to thank you for taking me - and everyone else on the List - along with you on your latest hunting adventure. I'm one of the, shall we say, "less welloff" members of the List, and I can't afford to jump on a plane and do an Indiana Jones like you do, so it is always a treat to be able to travel virtually with you,and others, to far flung corners of the globe in search of new specimens. I wish you nothing but good fortune on this trip, seriously. What I think some others inthis community forget is that you're representing ALL of us out there, and I think you're doing a bloody good job, if you'll excuse my language. So, good luck out there - go get 'em! :-) I agree 100%! Thanks a lot MIKE!!! Peter M.
Re: [meteorite-list] India report #2.
Matteo, Your mail is filtered into my trash bin but others continue to quote your e-mails on their posts. I do not want to be included in your satisfied customer group so I'll speak up as you have asked. In fact, I have spoken up for over a year if you had noticed. Have you ever visited my Links page on my Meteorite Studies website? If so you would have seen a link at the end of the list titled Once burnt, twice shy. I maintain this page with all due deliberation. David Item purchased was not classified as advertised. Very poor communication. HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you have look my sale site? Now I not remember what you have buy, if is NWA 1058 or 1054, but one is a primitive achondrite like winonaite exit in the last Met.Bull. if is NWA 1054 is a achondrite acapulcoite. First to write idiocies look the updatings. However most of you disappointed me in all of the fronts, people that I thought adult instead show themselves alone of the children that beat the foots on the ground, like if the argument meteorites is of USA property, when the history of meteorites is born in Europe. Who wants knows where to find me, sincerely speack with similar persons I am not interested. This is my last email I write on this argument, now I know from who to keep a distance and I will know to inform also the others. without not any respect Matteo = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India Meteorite Report from the scene
Hi Steve and List, I also find field reports such as this to be interesting reading. Just think, we get to read about these trips as they happen and our kids can read about them from later books andperiodical articles. In fact, I hope Mike and others who recover meteorites publish their reports in book form one day. -Walter --www.branchmeteorites.comWalter Branch, Ph.D.Branch MeteoritesPO Box 60492Savannah, GA 31420 - Original Message - From: Steve Schoner To: Michael Farmer ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 10, 2003 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] India Meteorite Report from the scene Michael, With the exception of the initial Matteo rant, which kind of turned me off, the India trip report I find very interesting. Keep this up; these on site field reports. That is where you shine. Steve Schoner/ams Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi everyone, internet here is little better than smokesignals, it has taken me almost 2 hours to go through50 emails, so slow, and Matteo's crying like a 2 yearold baby. Matteo, shut the hell up, PLEASE, if I seeanother email about "Other people is make prices ruin"I will have to beat the hell out of you when I see you(Just kidding, but only a little).OKI am in the strewnfield. I have a small piece of the meteorite. IT is an Hchondrite and similar to Zag, veining andslickensides. There is EXTREME flooding here, all parts are underwater, there is NO HOPE of recovering more materialunless it is simply in a village and not known aboutyet. the strewnfield is some miles long, travelingbetween two villages that the local assured me wereonly 5 km apart by air took over 2 hours by road (ifyou can call it that). India is beautiful and horribleat the same time. The road is covered with untoldthousands of people, dogs, cows, goats, etc, NONE ofwhich move or are even slightly annoyed by theincessant use of the horn, we actually ran over a dogsfoot yesterday, he would not move until the car ranright over him. I felt sorry for it but then again ifanything is that stupid.I also wish I had a gun with me, to put some of thestupidist creature on the planet (The cow) out oftheir misery (or ignorant bliss) whichever it is.There are thousands of them, laying in the roads, carsjust go around them whereever possible. the entire area is flooded, and I mean bad, hundredsof thousands of miles under water, looks like theocean with small patched of trees and huts standingout of it. Roads are almost not more than small trailswith everyone and everything blocking them.Most of the meteorite has been taken by the police, Iam working on tracking down a couple of pieces, but itlooks hopeless as it takes me 6 hours to get to thearea even though it is only 70 miles away, the maxspees is about 10 miles an hour on the highway andabout 2 miles an hour on the village route. these are small villages, I mean aobut 10 famileseach, no electricity, nothing more than some mud hutsin a land of mud. I had to go on motorcycle for a fewmiles last night with a spectacular lightning show inthe distance, it was the most eery and beatiful driveI have ever taken, the flooded swampland, cool wind,nice people and all made me fell like I was in somesort of 16 th century expedition. When we got to thevillage, the people showed me where a 6-8 kilo stonefell, coming down right down the slanted roof of ahut, denting in the grass roof and making a largecrater at the base of the hut. That stone was taken 2days ago, but I have two competing guys traking downthe person who took it, to get it for me. We will seeif this hut smasher comes home with me. I do have a 13gram fragment of it, (They smashed it). The meteoriteis like Zag, large veins and slickensides.The 6 hour trip back to town last night was the mostharrowing of my life, I would say at least 50 nearhead on collisions with giant trucks, busses, allwithout lights, cars on the wrong side of the road,washed out roads, cows of course (and they would muchrather drive off a cliff and die than kill a cowhere!).there should be hundreds of stones, but it is allrivers and swamps and rice paddies, all under severalfeet of water, so virtually none will be recovered.I saw photos of the 5 kilo stone, very nice. Anyway, sorry for the format of this email, but usingthe computer here is not easy.Anyone thinking of coming to get some, forget it, asit is, with my 13 gram piece, i will have paid over$400.00 gram for my piece! But I will have memories ofa lifetime of this hunt, which doing it alone, Ialready consider by far my most exotic andinteresting. the people in the v
Re: [meteorite-list] India report #2.
Matteo: This is my last email I write on thisargument, Does this meanyou are leaving the list.again? Gregory
Re: [meteorite-list] India report #2.
At 01:39 PM 10/10/03 -0700, M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: --- John Gwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matteo, I know there are several List members who have had to deal with your unorthodox and questionable business ethics, including myself. Most have kept quiet because they know it's good form to keep one's mouth shut most of the time. However, when you provoke responses from the likes of good characters like Dave Freeman and Dave Andrews, you're starting to step on more than just people's toes. Brothers Andrews and Freeman have expressed their opinions concerning you incessant whining and complaining, and there will be more to follow if you continue your banal rhetoric. You certainly don't want more testimonials to make their way to this List, do you? Your silence would be greatly appreciated, Ah yes. ... who have been these persons, I am actual curious to know, but I see that here it is threatened but not speaks. Pertain the meteorites, big little, gained from you always I paid immediately, see also on ebay, while with a certain meteorite you pretended of not understand that I wanted to buy it when had given it ok that was on hold for me, and after few minutes had been sold. I repeat, to all the persons that I have sold meteorites any of this has complained, therefore I do not know where you dream you these persons that did not do questionable business with me, while to the opposite one I should say it with who did questionable business, and it seems to have me also written. Pertain my silence, if I want I am quiet, not you of secure you make myself be quiet. Matteo Matteo, Since you decided to respond to my last post via the List, I'll elaborate on a few things. First of all, any of the folks that I referred to having personal knowledge of your unorthodox and questionable business ethics can speak for themselves if they so choose. Since my communications with them was private, I'll not post any of our conversations without their permission or approval. Before you began using Paypal, you won one of my meteorites on Ebay. You emailed me and said you'd be sending me cash in the mail. When you letter arrived, it contained several U.S. twenty dollar bills. The problem was that your payment was short twenty dollars. When I contacted you by email and told you about the shortage, your first claimed I was trying to cheat you. My reply to you was simple - your payment was short twenty dollars and the meteorite wouldn't be sent to you until the problem was corrected. Your next email blamed the problem on the corrupt Italian mail system. I actually got quite a laugh out of the idea that a crooked Italian postal clerk would steal just one twenty dollar bill out of six. To be fair, I will say that you did send the missing twenty dollars and your meteorite was sent to you. During a conversation with another dealer, I mentioned the missing twenty dollars. He commented that this was a standard practice with you. Checking with a few more folks in the meteorite community, I got similar responses. The other incident you refer to in you post is incorrect. It did not involve a meteorite on Ebay, but was the most recent sale I posted to the List. The sale, as always, said first come, first served or something similar to those words. Nowhere did I mention that I would accept trades. I received an email from you requesting me to put a specimen on hold for you and would I be interested in doing a trade. I replied no and you next email to me asked If I would accept delayed payment from you - somewhere in the time frame of two weeks to a month, I don't remember exactly. During the time between your emails, someone else contacted me and said they wanted the specimen and would send payment as soon as I sent them a total. The way I see it, Matteo, you missed out on getting the specimen in question because you were too busy trying to negotiate a trade (which I didn't want) and/or a delay of payment(which I didn't agree to). During the rest of the day, I received SIX emails from you where you ranted and raved about injustice...blah, blah, blah. Same old, same old. Now if anyone else chooses to share with the List any of their experiences with you, that's their business. I'd think most of them would want to avoid your tirades of verbal diarrhea so they'll probably shy away. Like David Weir, you emails have been filtered out of my system for a long time now, but you still make you way onto my screen because your emails are piggybacked on the messages of other List members. Regards and Regrets to the List, John Gwilliam = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] India, new message
Good morning all. I want to clarify a couple of things, we all seem to forget that while meteorites are important, people are far more inportant. The poor people here have no luck, the rains and floods come every year, thousands die, then every few years cyclones wipe the entire area clean, only to start the cycle again. there is nowhere else for the people to go, they have to live here. I must say that the people here are the NICEST I have ever met anywhere in the world, the children are so inquisitive, we played some games yesterday while waiting in a village. I am not driven by my hunt for meteorites, I already have given away basically everything i brought except the clothes I still need to get home. there are about 20 people wearing $20 to $50 shirts, which cost more than they make in a year! I always do this, I take clothes, and toys and give them away. I had no room for toys unfortunately, but the children here live the lives they should, playing, swimming, and fishing all day. India is indeed the worts poverty and the most beautiful place I have ever seen. I will indeed be coming back, making India a high priority on my trips to see the world, it will take many trips to even get a glimpse of this large country. I cant explain what I have seen, the sights and smells, all mixed into a large collage of colors, rich and poor, dirty and pristine, all mixed together. The landscape of flloded fields, rice paddies, palm trees, towering thunderstorms, and monkeys playing in the road is like nothing i have ever seen. If you want to know this place, you must come here, photos and stories tell nothing, you must experiance it. While I might get frustrated at the roads, it is fascinating, so alien to me to see what I have seen. I thought Burkina Faso was wild, it has NOTHING on India. I highly suggest anyone with the time and means come here, you wil lnever forget it. So as far as the meteorite goes, to me this trip was a perfect success, financially it is a disaster, so when Iget home, I must hold another sale to help pay the bills which will come in the mail, regardless of whether I get any meteorite or not. You should all thank whatever god you believe in or just fate that you were fortunate enough to have what you have, these people have nothing, and the floods take even that away. then the government comes and takes their meteorite as well with no compensation whatsoever. Please note, I cannot check my comcast mail from here, for whatever reason, so if you are trying to contact me that way, please use this address, sorry I cant email all of you privately, too many emails, and internet is so hard to use here it isnt even funny. Matteo, I can now see that you are very anti-american. That is your business, but I hope anyone from the USA on this list see's that and would never deal with you again. You are nothing but a lier and a theif (Dont think that I have forgotton the pieces of Fredericksburg that you bought from me 2 years ago and never paid for)! I have written them off, they were small and I dont have the time to even try and get them or the money from you, I would never have mentioned this, but you have dug yourself so deep a hole that you will never climb out. And by the way, tell that other Italian guy who stole the Esquel piece the same way, to pay me the $100 he owes me (YEAH RIGHT). It seems that Italians are theives, not the Americans as you like to say. Look at yourself in a mirror Matteo, you need to come to terms with what you are. I hope to send another meteorite report tonight. Thanks to everyone Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] India Meteorite Report from the scene
Hi everyone, internet here is little better than smoke signals, it has taken me almost 2 hours to go through 50 emails, so slow, and Matteo's crying like a 2 year old baby. Matteo, shut the hell up, PLEASE, if I see another email about Other people is make prices ruin I will have to beat the hell out of you when I see you (Just kidding, but only a little). OK I am in the strewnfield. I have a small piece of the meteorite. IT is an H chondrite and similar to Zag, veining and slickensides. There is EXTREME flooding here, all parts are under water, there is NO HOPE of recovering more material unless it is simply in a village and not known about yet. the strewnfield is some miles long, traveling between two villages that the local assured me were only 5 km apart by air took over 2 hours by road (if you can call it that). India is beautiful and horrible at the same time. The road is covered with untold thousands of people, dogs, cows, goats, etc, NONE of which move or are even slightly annoyed by the incessant use of the horn, we actually ran over a dogs foot yesterday, he would not move until the car ran right over him. I felt sorry for it but then again if anything is that stupid. I also wish I had a gun with me, to put some of the stupidist creature on the planet (The cow) out of their misery (or ignorant bliss) whichever it is. There are thousands of them, laying in the roads, cars just go around them whereever possible. the entire area is flooded, and I mean bad, hundreds of thousands of miles under water, looks like the ocean with small patched of trees and huts standing out of it. Roads are almost not more than small trails with everyone and everything blocking them. Most of the meteorite has been taken by the police, I am working on tracking down a couple of pieces, but it looks hopeless as it takes me 6 hours to get to the area even though it is only 70 miles away, the max spees is about 10 miles an hour on the highway and about 2 miles an hour on the village route. these are small villages, I mean aobut 10 familes each, no electricity, nothing more than some mud huts in a land of mud. I had to go on motorcycle for a few miles last night with a spectacular lightning show in the distance, it was the most eery and beatiful drive I have ever taken, the flooded swampland, cool wind, nice people and all made me fell like I was in some sort of 16 th century expedition. When we got to the village, the people showed me where a 6-8 kilo stone fell, coming down right down the slanted roof of a hut, denting in the grass roof and making a large crater at the base of the hut. That stone was taken 2 days ago, but I have two competing guys traking down the person who took it, to get it for me. We will see if this hut smasher comes home with me. I do have a 13 gram fragment of it, (They smashed it). The meteorite is like Zag, large veins and slickensides. The 6 hour trip back to town last night was the most harrowing of my life, I would say at least 50 near head on collisions with giant trucks, busses, all without lights, cars on the wrong side of the road, washed out roads, cows of course (and they would much rather drive off a cliff and die than kill a cow here!). there should be hundreds of stones, but it is all rivers and swamps and rice paddies, all under several feet of water, so virtually none will be recovered. I saw photos of the 5 kilo stone, very nice. Anyway, sorry for the format of this email, but using the computer here is not easy. Anyone thinking of coming to get some, forget it, as it is, with my 13 gram piece, i will have paid over $400.00 gram for my piece! But I will have memories of a lifetime of this hunt, which doing it alone, I already consider by far my most exotic and interesting. the people in the villages do not speak english or Hindi, but Orissi, a local tribal language. the meteorite fell only about 1/2 mile from the Bay of Bengal (but now it seems to be in the Bay of bengal with everything under water anyway). I will post more info as soon as I can. Mike Farmer Meteorite Hunter Writing from Orissa India. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] India Meteorite Report from the scene
Hi everyone, internet here is little better than smoke signals, it has taken me almost 2 hours to go through 50 emails, so slow, and Matteo's crying like a 2 year old baby. Matteo, shut the hell up, PLEASE, if I see another email about Other people is make prices ruin I will have to beat the hell out of you when I see you (Just kidding, but only a little). OK I am in the strewnfield. I have a small piece of the meteorite. IT is an H chondrite and similar to Zag, veining and slickensides. There is EXTREME flooding here, all parts are under water, there is NO HOPE of recovering more material unless it is simply in a village and not known about yet. the strewnfield is some miles long, traveling between two villages that the local assured me were only 5 km apart by air took over 2 hours by road (if you can call it that). India is beautiful and horrible at the same time. The road is covered with untold thousands of people, dogs, cows, goats, etc, NONE of which move or are even slightly annoyed by the incessant use of the horn, we actually ran over a dogs foot yesterday, he would not move until the car ran right over him. I felt sorry for it but then again if anything is that stupid. I also wish I had a gun with me, to put some of the stupidist creature on the planet (The cow) out of their misery (or ignorant bliss) whichever it is. There are thousands of them, laying in the roads, cars just go around them whereever possible. the entire area is flooded, and I mean bad, hundreds of thousands of miles under water, looks like the ocean with small patched of trees and huts standing out of it. Roads are almost not more than small trails with everyone and everything blocking them. Most of the meteorite has been taken by the police, I am working on tracking down a couple of pieces, but it looks hopeless as it takes me 6 hours to get to the area even though it is only 70 miles away, the max spees is about 10 miles an hour on the highway and about 2 miles an hour on the village route. these are small villages, I mean aobut 10 familes each, no electricity, nothing more than some mud huts in a land of mud. I had to go on motorcycle for a few miles last night with a spectacular lightning show in the distance, it was the most eery and beatiful drive I have ever taken, the flooded swampland, cool wind, nice people and all made me fell like I was in some sort of 16 th century expedition. When we got to the village, the people showed me where a 6-8 kilo stone fell, coming down right down the slanted roof of a hut, denting in the grass roof and making a large crater at the base of the hut. That stone was taken 2 days ago, but I have two competing guys traking down the person who took it, to get it for me. We will see if this hut smasher comes home with me. I do have a 13 gram fragment of it, (They smashed it). The meteorite is like Zag, large veins and slickensides. The 6 hour trip back to town last night was the most harrowing of my life, I would say at least 50 near head on collisions with giant trucks, busses, all without lights, cars on the wrong side of the road, washed out roads, cows of course (and they would much rather drive off a cliff and die than kill a cow here!). there should be hundreds of stones, but it is all rivers and swamps and rice paddies, all under several feet of water, so virtually none will be recovered. I saw photos of the 5 kilo stone, very nice. Anyway, sorry for the format of this email, but using the computer here is not easy. Anyone thinking of coming to get some, forget it, as it is, with my 13 gram piece, i will have paid over $400.00 gram for my piece! But I will have memories of a lifetime of this hunt, which doing it alone, I already consider by far my most exotic and interesting. the people in the villages do not speak english or Hindi, but Orissi, a local tribal language. the meteorite fell only about 1/2 mile from the Bay of Bengal (but now it seems to be in the Bay of bengal with everything under water anyway). I will post more info as soon as I can. Mike Farmer Meteorite Hunter Writing from Orissa India. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India
Hay Mike, Howsabout posting some digital photos for all us here on the list? We would love seeing Calcutta. Best wishes, Michael on 10/7/03 7:28 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hello all, from Calcutta, the nastiests and most horrible city on the planet without doubt. i will be in the strenfield today, but there is terrible flooding here right now, so it may take a day or two to ascertain anything. hopefully, the next message will be to tell how many kilos of the new fall i have:) Mike Farmer ps This one may finally do me in, I hope i can survive this place. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list http://www.costofwar.com/ -- Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at an Elingsh uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoetnt tihng is taht frist and lsat ltteer is at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a toatl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae we do not raed ervey lteter by itslef but the wrod as a wlohe. -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm - Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Panoramic view of Meteor Crater: http://www.virtualguidebooks.com/Arizona/GrandCanyonRoute66/MeteorCrater/Met eorCraterRimL.html -- Cool Calendar Clock: http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India
Good to hear from ya Mike, What is it like a 100 degrees out there. Im sure Im speaking for everyone when I say that we appreciate you having the guts and willingness to go after this fall and hopefully bringing some back and making it available. Thanks Bob Evans - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 7:28 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] India hello all, from Calcutta, the nastiests and most horrible city on the planet without doubt. i will be in the strenfield today, but there is terrible flooding here right now, so it may take a day or two to ascertain anything. hopefully, the next message will be to tell how many kilos of the new fall i have:) Mike Farmer ps This one may finally do me in, I hope i can survive this place. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] India
Hi Mike and list Mother Theresa made it her home, must have some redeeming qualities, somewhere, maybe - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 7:28 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] India hello all, from Calcutta, the nastiests and most horrible city on the planet without doubt. i will be in the strenfield today, but there is terrible flooding here right now, so it may take a day or two to ascertain anything. hopefully, the next message will be to tell how many kilos of the new fall i have:) Mike Farmer ps This one may finally do me in, I hope i can survive this place. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] India Fall
Dear List Members, We were politely invited to team up on the India fall which excited us at first. We looked into it and decided we will hold off for awhile. We will wait to see if Mike Farmer and his group can successfully and legally remove this material from the country. It does not make sense to pursue this fall for us when trade permits have not been issued for previous falls in this country. It seems the government is happy to study their own meteorites and does not seem willing to share unless you are willing to trade lunar straight across for a common chondrite, no thanks! It is beginning to remind me of the Canadian policies regarding meteorites. We truly wish those who are willing to give it a try, good luck. If the Indian government loosens up their policies it seems it could be a pretty exciting trip. All the best, Adam and Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] India Burning
It is telling that Mr. Baalkeis reminded of thethoroughly discredited N-dog story* by today's dubious claim that a meteorite has fallen and burneda hut in India. The first reports indicate that no meteorites have beenfound in the hut. Perhaps this will become another example ofMr. Baalke's oft-stated "logic" (see many past messages in M-List archives),"just because no rocks were found, doesn't mean they don't exist". And in similar fashion, we are "thankful" that the hut burned, otherwise, the meteorite would not have been brought to our attention. So we have "no rocks" that "burned a hut" we all know "can't be burned by rocks". I have more to add in a few minutes.. Kevin Kichinka Fort Myers, Florida * see "Meteorite!", August, 1998, pp.16-17, or the same article posted with permission on Dave Weir's excellent website: www.meteoritestudies.comunder "Nakhla".
