Re: [meteorite-list] Tornado snatches 1, 000 pound pallasite meteorite
List, If you look at photo #12 here: http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/ In the center of the picture about 1/6 of the way up from the bottom there is what looks like the 2 ft x 3 ft oak stand (possibly tipped over) that the 1,000 pound meteorite used to sit on. Something is still on the stand, but it might be debris. But, just to the left of the stand is a big brown blob. I think that is the meteorite. However, the brown blob might be the old buffalo skin that was kept in the same room as the meteorite. The meteorite might be gone now. It could have been removed by officials, for protection. It could have been stolen. It could have been removed by tornado. As for the extensive city meteorite collection I am almost certain all the city owned was the 1,000 pound Brenham specimen (kept at the Big Well Gift shop) a roughly 300g end piece of Brenham, and a roughly 100g Odessa iron slice in resin (both kept at the City Hall). In any case, I do believe that the items would have been insured. Early on, I think in the first interview the City Manager did mention that the well was in tact, but strangely did NOT mention if the meteorite was still there. And for reports of the Big Well being covered in debris, as you can see very plainly in that same photo #12 (lower left corner) that the gray metal box that covered the hole at the top of the well, that people could walk up to and look down into the well, is intact although the glass is broken in some of the panes. And there is relatively very little debris on top of the well, which is in front of the Gift Shop building that is destroyed. A close look and you can see a bit of the 32 ft wide circular rock wall that extends above ground, that was sitting-bench high above the concrete slap that covers the top of the well. Steve In a message dated 5/6/2007 3:39:36 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 6 May 2007 13:49:07 -0500, you wrote: I agree with Charlie. I don't think it would be moved much, if any. I think a wind greater than the terminal velocity of the object in free fall would be needed to lift it, and that would be several hundred miles per hour. If it is truly missing, I would be willing to bet on theft. I wouldn't expect theft-- yet. A chaotic situation known about only minutes in advance, destroying the entire town, and a theft needing heavy lifting equipment and transportation (even if only a engine-block lifter and a big pickup) doesn't seem too likely. I'd bet it is still in the pile of debris that was the building containing it. Unless that building is what is now on top of the well, in which case it could be at the bottom of the well. What is more of a concern (from a meteorite perspective, not to belittle all the other human an material loss) is the other meteorite collection of the town that is mentioned-- which would be much more easily lost and much harder to find. Speaking of, anyone have photos of the other meteorite collection, as mentioned in the articles? ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tornado snatches 1, 000 pound pallasite meteorite
you oughtta see how far it can throw a 6,000 lbs. car! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 5/5/2007 11:52:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tornado snatches 1,000 pound pallasite meteorite Good evening Folks, Certainly a half-ton rock couldn't have been thrown all that far. I certainly expect and hope that Steve will have recovered it within the next 48 hours. Best regards to you all, Paul Martyn Savannah ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tornado snatches 1, 000 pound pallasite meteorite
Here are some aerial photos: (terrible!) http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/ http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/ From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tornado snatches 1,000 pound pallasite meteorite Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 06:30:49 +0200 for a Tornado 1000 lb its a grain of sand Matteo - Original Message - Da : Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : [meteorite-list] Tornado snatches 1,000 pound pallasite meteorite Data : Sat, 05 May 2007 23:54:10 -0500 http://www.kbsd6.com/Global/story.asp?S=6475057 Tornado snatches 1,000 pound pallasite meteorite GREENSBURG, Kan. The tornado that razed the Kansas town of Greensburg also snatched one of its most valuable treasures. The thousand-pound Brenham pallasite meteorite is gone. Greensburg has drawn world-class meteorite hunters for decades to this remote Kansas hamlet. Trooper Ronald Knoefel says even the town's own extensive meteorite collection is gone. And the town's other claim to fame -- the world's largest hand dug well -- is buried under a mountain of debris. The nearby gift shop for the attraction had housed the famous meteorite. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ RealLiveMoms: Share your experience with Real Live Moms just like you http://www.reallivemoms.ca/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tornado snatches 1, 000 pound pallasite meteorite
It could be tough to find. If a dense rock like that was in a field and a tornado went directly over it, it probably would not have moved at all. However, it was suspended in a building of comparably much lighter material with a large surface area. Collectively, when the building was ripped apart, it could have been launched a considerable distance. Having virtually no aerodynamic properties It is most likely within a 1/2 mile radius of where it was originally housed. It may even be embedded in the soft earth. I agree with Charlie. I don't think it would be moved much, if any. I think a wind greater than the terminal velocity of the object in free fall would be needed to lift it, and that would be several hundred miles per hour. If it is truly missing, I would be willing to bet on theft. Mike Fowler Chicago __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tornado snatches 1, 000 pound pallasite meteorite
On Sun, 6 May 2007 13:49:07 -0500, you wrote: I agree with Charlie. I don't think it would be moved much, if any. I think a wind greater than the terminal velocity of the object in free fall would be needed to lift it, and that would be several hundred miles per hour. If it is truly missing, I would be willing to bet on theft. I wouldn't expect theft-- yet. A chaotic situation known about only minutes in advance, destroying the entire town, and a theft needing heavy lifting equipment and transportation (even if only a engine-block lifter and a big pickup) doesn't seem too likely. I'd bet it is still in the pile of debris that was the building containing it. Unless that building is what is now on top of the well, in which case it could be at the bottom of the well. What is more of a concern (from a meteorite perspective, not to belittle all the other human an material loss) is the other meteorite collection of the town that is mentioned-- which would be much more easily lost and much harder to find. Speaking of, anyone have photos of the other meteorite collection, as mentioned in the articles? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tornado snatches 1, 000 pound pallasite meteorite
Hi, All, Maria Haas's original post on relief efforts had a message from Steve Arnold appended to it that hasn't appeared separately on the List. In it, he says: On a side note, if you go here: http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/ In photo #12, is the picture of the twisted water tower, and the Big Well building that housed the 1,000 pound meteorite. You can see what I think is the oak stand (about 2 feet high and 3 feet wide, possibly tipped over) that the 1,000 pound meteorite had sat on (in the center of the frame, about 1/6 of the way up from the bottom). If I am not mistaken, I think the meteorite is the brown object on the floor just to the right of the stand. I can't of anybody more qualified to recognize a big Brenham, so maybe it hasn't gone very far. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 4:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tornado snatches 1,000 pound pallasite meteorite On Sun, 6 May 2007 13:49:07 -0500, you wrote: I agree with Charlie. I don't think it would be moved much, if any. I think a wind greater than the terminal velocity of the object in free fall would be needed to lift it, and that would be several hundred miles per hour. If it is truly missing, I would be willing to bet on theft. I wouldn't expect theft-- yet. A chaotic situation known about only minutes in advance, destroying the entire town, and a theft needing heavy lifting equipment and transportation (even if only a engine-block lifter and a big pickup) doesn't seem too likely. I'd bet it is still in the pile of debris that was the building containing it. Unless that building is what is now on top of the well, in which case it could be at the bottom of the well. What is more of a concern (from a meteorite perspective, not to belittle all the other human an material loss) is the other meteorite collection of the town that is mentioned-- which would be much more easily lost and much harder to find. Speaking of, anyone have photos of the other meteorite collection, as mentioned in the articles? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tornado snatches 1, 000 pound pallasite meteorite
On Sun, 6 May 2007 17:35:04 EDT, you wrote: If you look at photo #12 here: http://www.kansas.com/static/slides/050507tornadoaerials/ In the center of the picture about 1/6 of the way up from the bottom there is what looks like the 2 ft x 3 ft oak stand (possibly tipped over) that the 1,000 pound meteorite used to sit on. Something is still on the stand, but it might be debris. But, just to the left of the stand is a big brown blob. I think that is the meteorite. However, the brown blob might be the old buffalo skin that was kept in the same room as the meteorite. I think you're right about that lower object. And another brown blob just behind and to the right of the stand could be the buffalo skin: http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/tmp/debris.jpg __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tornado snatches 1, 000 pound pallasite meteorite
Hi All, this is really devastating. Poor people in Greensburg! I am sure this group will make a difference by helping out in whatever way one can. This is truly a great community! And to the meteorite, this is a story to be told after all this tragedy is over. Has it been found yet? It looks to me also that it sits right next to the stand on the image. With best regards, Moni _ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tornado snatches 1, 000 pound pallasite meteorite
On Sun, 06 May 2007 21:15:45 -0700, you wrote: this is really devastating. Poor people in Greensburg! I heard on the news tonight that the residents had a 20 minute warning to seek shelter. If they didn't have an early warning system, or it happened a few hours later while everyone was asleep, I think that there would have been a thousand dead people and not around a dozen. I'm shocked by how little loss of life there was, seeing how total the destruction was. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tornado snatches 1, 000 pound pallasite meteorite
In a message dated 5/5/2007 11:52:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tornado snatches 1,000 pound pallasite meteorite Good evening Folks, Certainly a half-ton rock couldn't have been thrown all that far. I certainly expect and hope that Steve will have recovered it within the next 48 hours. Best regards to you all, Paul Martyn Savannah ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tornado snatches 1, 000 pound pallasite meteorite
for a Tornado 1000 lb its a grain of sand Matteo - Original Message - Da : Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : [meteorite-list] Tornado snatches 1,000 pound pallasite meteorite Data : Sat, 05 May 2007 23:54:10 -0500 http://www.kbsd6.com/Global/story.asp?S=6475057 Tornado snatches 1,000 pound pallasite meteorite GREENSBURG, Kan. The tornado that razed the Kansas town of Greensburg also snatched one of its most valuable treasures. The thousand-pound Brenham pallasite meteorite is gone. Greensburg has drawn world-class meteorite hunters for decades to this remote Kansas hamlet. Trooper Ronald Knoefel says even the town's own extensive meteorite collection is gone. And the town's other claim to fame -- the world's largest hand dug well -- is buried under a mountain of debris. The nearby gift shop for the attraction had housed the famous meteorite. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tornado snatches 1, 000 pound pallasite meteorite
Indeed, it will be interesting to see where the meteorite ends up being found at, a perfect chance for scientists to measure the distance an object with exact known weight is thrown. Terrible news though, it seems that the town no longer exists. Michael Farmer --- M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for a Tornado 1000 lb its a grain of sand Matteo - Original Message - Da : Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : [meteorite-list] Tornado snatches 1,000 pound pallasite meteorite Data : Sat, 05 May 2007 23:54:10 -0500 http://www.kbsd6.com/Global/story.asp?S=6475057 Tornado snatches 1,000 pound pallasite meteorite GREENSBURG, Kan. The tornado that razed the Kansas town of Greensburg also snatched one of its most valuable treasures. The thousand-pound Brenham pallasite meteorite is gone. Greensburg has drawn world-class meteorite hunters for decades to this remote Kansas hamlet. Trooper Ronald Knoefel says even the town's own extensive meteorite collection is gone. And the town's other claim to fame -- the world's largest hand dug well -- is buried under a mountain of debris. The nearby gift shop for the attraction had housed the famous meteorite. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tornado snatches 1, 000 pound pallasite meteorite
It could be tough to find. If a dense rock like that was in a field and a tornado went directly over it, it probably would not have moved at all. However, it was suspended in a building of comparably much lighter material with a large surface area. Collectively, when the building was ripped apart, it could have been launched a considerable distance. Having virtually no aerodynamic properties It is most likely within a 1/2 mile radius of where it was originally housed. It may even be embedded in the soft earth. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 12:07 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tornado snatches 1,000 pound pallasite meteorite In a message dated 5/5/2007 11:52:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tornado snatches 1,000 pound pallasite meteorite Good evening Folks, Certainly a half-ton rock couldn't have been thrown all that far. I certainly expect and hope that Steve will have recovered it within the next 48 hours. Best regards to you all, Paul Martyn Savannah ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.4/789 - Release Date: 5/4/2007 5:49 PM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.6.4/789 - Release Date: 5/4/2007 5:49 PM __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
