Re: (Thread name objectionable as well) Re: Real men don't attack straw men
2007/12/16, bofh [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The language is not ready for it. Other languages do not have such a problem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-neutral_pronoun Best Martin
Re: (Thread name objectionable as well) Re: Real men don't attack straw men
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and by the way, I'm not a real man. Actually I'm not a man at all. Not all people who are in software are men. This an interesting point.. I came up with a solution and also wrote it down here: http://z505.com/cgi-bin/qkcont/qkcont.cgi?p=The-He-She-Woman-Man-Problem-Solved Yee will find it interesting if yee is a uman.
Re: (Thread name objectionable as well) Re: Real men don't attack straw men
On Dec 16, 2007 1:26 PM, L [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh, and by the way, I'm not a real man. I came up with a solution and also wrote it down here: http://z505.com/cgi-bin/qkcont/qkcont.cgi?p=The-He-She-Woman-Man-Problem-Solved Yee will find it interesting if yee is a uman. The language is not ready for it. Other languages do not have such a problem -- http://www.glumbert.com/media/shift http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk This officer's men seem to follow him merely out of idle curiosity. -- Sandhurst officer cadet evaluation. Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted. -- Gene Spafford learn french: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1G-3laJJP0feature=related
Re: (Thread name objectionable as well) Re: Real men don't attack straw men
L writes: Yee will find it interesting if yee is a uman. Har, har. Just use they. It used to be considered poor English to use they when speaking of a single person, but the language has evolved. I did not find the thread title objectionable; in fact I found it humorous that anyone thought manhood was at stake in a discussion about software.
Re: (Thread name objectionable as well) Re: Real men don't attack straw men
On Dec 16, 2007 2:02 PM, Deanna Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: L writes: Yee will find it interesting if yee is a uman. Har, har. Just use they. It used to be considered poor English to use they when speaking of a single person, but the language has evolved. Actually, it just came back to it's roots: http://www.crossmyt.com/hc/linghebr/austheir.html But now we're offtopic. -Nick
OT: Sexist vs. gender neutral language (was Re: (Thread name objectionable as well) Re: Real men don't attack straw men)
Hi!
On Sun, Dec 16, 2007 at 11:26:17AM -0700, L wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Oh, and by the way, I'm not a real man.
Actually I'm not a man at all.
Not all people who are in software are men.
This an interesting point..
I came up with a solution and also wrote it down here:
http://z505.com/cgi-bin/qkcont/qkcont.cgi?p=The-He-She-Woman-Man-Problem-Solved
Yee will find it interesting if yee is a uman.
No need to invent yet another kind of wheel, in my eyes.
See for example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-neutral_pronoun
Seems Middle English even already had a completely neutral singular 3rd
person pronoun but that got lost again. From the neologistic
neutral/epicene singular 3rd person pronouns, the ones I see most are
singular use they, sie/hir, zie/zir, ze/hir (somewhat close to
sie/hir), or the slashed variant (s/he, etc.). For the neutral noun,
nothing wrong with human (the latin origin with the male bias is remote
enough for me so it feels neutral in its current use) or person, no need
to invent another word for that.
But then, I've been bugged with non-linguistic sexist assumptions even
more than by the linguistic ones. Yes, here. Like you can't really be
a woman if you're a that good {programmer,OS person,choosewhatyoulike}.
If that's not sexist, what is?
Kind regards,
Hannah.
Re: (Thread name objectionable as well) Re: Real men don't attack straw men
Deanna Phillips wrote: Yee will find it interesting if yee is a uman. Har, har. Just use they. The problem with they is.. They are coming over. : Oh, are they? No. It's just one person! : But you said they? Yes.. I said they are coming over. : You mean they is coming over? No, they are coming over. : A group of people? No. Only one person is coming over. : What? You said they ARE coming over. No. : Pardon? It used to be considered poor English to use they when speaking of a single person, but the language has evolved. I did not find the thread title objectionable; in fact I found it humorous that anyone thought manhood was at stake in a discussion about software. You mean umanhood. Regards, L505 Software = female Hardware = male
Re: OT: Sexist vs. gender neutral language (was Re: (Thread name objectionable as well) Re: Real men don't attack straw men)
Hannah Schroeter wrote:
Yee will find it interesting if yee is a uman.
No need to invent yet another kind of wheel, in my eyes.
S/he will find it interesting if s/he is a wo/man.
This contains the obnoxious GNU/Linux slash.
Yee and uman is superior.
(GNU/Linux should really be called: BSD/GNU/Linux.
Gnu has bsd code inside of it, openssh, and other BSD patches)
See for example
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender-neutral_pronoun
Seems Middle English even already had a completely neutral singular 3rd
person pronoun but that got lost again. From the neologistic
neutral/epicene singular 3rd person pronouns, the ones I see most are
singular use they, sie/hir, zie/zir, ze/hir (somewhat close to
sie/hir), or the slashed variant (s/he, etc.).
Obnoxious gnu/linux slashes
More complications:
S/He or S/he at the beginning of a sentence?
The GNU/Linux Gnu/Linux GNU/linux problem plagues us..
For the neutral noun,
nothing wrong with human
Real humans don't attack straw humans.
It can work..
The only argument I can come up with..
The word human kind of implies we are distinguishing a species.. i.e.
humans vs cats vs dogs.
or person, no need
to invent another word for that.
Real persons don't attack straw persons.
It can work. It is 'ess' sounding.. Not as dramatic as 'men'.
But then, I've been bugged with non-linguistic sexist assumptions even
more than by the linguistic ones. Yes, here. Like you can't really be
a woman if you're a that good {programmer,OS person,choosewhatyoulike}.
If that's not sexist, what is?
Kind regards,
Real men don't send kind regards to anyone.
Hannah.
How do I know Hannah is not a man's name?
You throw around your name like that at the bottom of your email as if
it means something!
Regards,
L505
---
Disclaimer:
No one should ever hold a door open for a girl.
That is a form of sexism.
The main purpose of my articles are to gain brownie points with females,
as by writing my umen/yee article I now can be considered someone who is
equal and non sexist. Anyone who writes such pieces is obviously just
trying to cover up their true self through overcompensation.
(Thread name objectionable as well) Re: Real men don't attack straw men
Oh, and by the way, I'm not a real man. Actually I'm not a man at all. Not all people who are in software are men. I've contributed in small ways to OpenBSD, FreeBSD, Linux and Plan9. --- Marina Brown On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Richard Stallman wrote: An anthology contains the actual licensed material of the books. The ports tree only contains urls of these pieces of software you object to. You're right, but I don't think that difference matters for this issue. Giving just the URLs for non-free software is referring people to them.
