Re: OT: Are things really this bad?
Todd Finney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I was looking at jobs.perl.org this afternoon, and there are a lot of > things on there like this: Over here, the barometer looks like: http://www.jobstats.co.uk/ And those residual 4000 are agents trolling for leads from CVs. -- Dave Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hire http://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Starhttp://www.thehighwaystar.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: [OT] Better Linux server platform: Redhat or SuSe?
Valerio_Valdez Paolini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I never used RH RPMs for Apache and mod_perl, mostly because of DSO > issues. I'm running stock RH RPM apache/mod_perl on some fairly hairy sites (hand-crafted mod_perl, slashcode etc.) with _no_ problems. And that was through the current round of upgrades. FWIW. -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com All the Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: [JOB] Crack OOP Perl whitebox tester wanted
Phil Dobbin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sorry if I haven't kept up with this thread but, is this really the > way the mod_perl list is going to go? I hope so. All these job postings are making me feel warm and fuzzy for the future. -- Dave Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hire http://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Starhttp://www.thehighwaystar.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: Problems installing on Solaris 8
Wayne Pascoe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Dave Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Ged Haywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > > Something very wrong there. Do you have squeaky clean source trees? > > > I'd be tempted to erase the lot and start again. What's the compiler? > > > Post your httpd.conf? Have you built other (older) versions of Apache > > > and mod_perl on the same OS? > > > > httpd -l > > > > should verify what modules really are linked in. > > [8:37am]# httpd -l > Compiled-in modules: > http_core.c > mod_so.c > mod_perl.c > suexec: disabled; invalid wrapper /usr/local/apache/bin/suexec As a matter of principle, I tend not to mix static and dynamic. Recent redhats have been good anough to go all dynamic, where I'm unsure, I go all static and build distinct binaries. Not a solution, but an approach... -- Dave Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hire http://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Starhttp://www.thehighwaystar.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: Problems installing on Solaris 8
Ged Haywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Something very wrong there. Do you have squeaky clean source trees? > I'd be tempted to erase the lot and start again. What's the compiler? > Post your httpd.conf? Have you built other (older) versions of Apache > and mod_perl on the same OS? httpd -l should verify what modules really are linked in. -- Dave Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hire http://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Starhttp://www.thehighwaystar.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: 0 being appended to non mod_perl scripts.
Per Einar Ellefsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I suspect that you don't get the 0 from static files, or anything > which sends a Content-Length header. Look more into the raw > transmitted data, and you might find out something. Might it be an HTTP/1.1 KeepAlive artefact? -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com All the Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: modperl and SQL db select
darren chamberlain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Quoting dreamwvr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [Mar 21, 2002 13:10]: > > Is there any issue with using modperl with postgres vs mysql > > for a database driven website? Don't want to bark up the wrong > > tree in a mod_perl project only to discover I picked the wrong > > .db :-/ > > Take a look at http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/tim2705.php3>, > in which the author discusses why Sourceforge uses postgresql > instead of MySQL. It's a little dated (the postgres version is > 7.1, for example) but a fun read. It's also been thoroughly rebutted ISTR :-) -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com All the Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: How to do connection pooling
"A.C.Sekhar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi all, > > How can I maintain the connections in perl? For this I want to use connection > pooling to contol the traffic of my site. How can I do this in perl? Can > anybody help me in this regard? If possible please give the steps included in > this. Use a two-tier Apache and restrict MaxClients on the back-end. -- Dave Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hire http://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Starhttp://www.thehighwaystar.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: mod_perl, mod_gzip, incredible suckage
"Jeffrey W. Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Does mod_gzip suck or what? Some of you claim to use it. Now is the > time to confess. How do you get it to work? I use the Apache::Gzip chain module thingy on the backend Apache. That's the only one that cares about text, right? -- Dave Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hire http://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: choice of mod_perl technology for news site
Nate Campi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Lets pretend I work for Wired News, and I really really hate Vignette's > content management system. I mean *really* hate it. I'm the Ops guy > supporting it and I have nightmares about the next unexplained CMS > crash. > > Ok, we all know mod_perl is the right choice to replace their system, > but what is the right way to go when you have a full news staff with > many stories going out six days a week, and about a million hits a day? My .02c: 1. Draw a REALLY sharp distinction between CMS and publishing the pages. 2. Deliver the bulk of the content from a Template Toolkit, include-driven system. 3. Find a system that does what you need on the content management end, what the pages out to files. 4. Do _not_ try to serve content from a database - keep it simple. 5. Many things you'd think about doing in mod_perl you can probably do in mod_rewrite on the front-end Apache. Um, that's all I can think of for now. -- Dave Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hire http://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: modperl growth
Mark Maunder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I was thinking that too, but then I remembered that if you're not from an IT > background, you're probably not going to be able to write a line of mod_perl > code anyhoo. No, but you can pick up Mason, embperl, or Apache::Template (the TT loaded into Apache). -- Dave Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hire http://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: modperl growth
Dave Rolsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 4 Feb 2002, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: > > > And if the Slashcode were as easy to install and customise as > > phpnuke... > > For OSCON (and hopefully YAPC too), I've submitted a talk on using > Module::Build (an ExtUtils::MakeMaker replacement) for modules and using > it to build an application installer. For slashcode, the HTML templating is a little hairy although beutifully crafted and using Template Toolkit. It's just real hard to find your way round the first time. > I'm not sure how on-topic this is anymore, though I don't think creating a > separate list would exactly help at this point. I'm sure several mod_perl advocacy lists have spun out like a little UFO in Conway's game of life and disappeared off the edge of the screen already... -- Dave Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hire http://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: modperl growth
___cliff rayman___ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > one more guess - in the group of guesses. ;-) > > perhaps redhat or another popular distro is > configuring standard with mod_perl (i use > redhat, but i always hand select my packages). > if this is the case, then the banner will show mod_perl, > even if the user has no idea what it is, and it > is not in use. the good news is, there is lots > of mod_perl installed out there, so if more applications > are created that use it, there is a bigger installed base > capable of running them. And if the Slashcode were as easy to install and customise as phpnuke... ;-) Hmmmactually, there's half a point buried in there. -- Dave Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hire http://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: modperl growth
Paul DuBois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > At 11:02 + 2/3/02, Dave Hodgkinson wrote: > >Paul DuBois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >> Mac OS X includes Apache, and mod_perl works there, too. That's > >> another group of potential new mod_perl-ized servers. > > > >I think all the recent RedHats come with mod_perl as a DSO by default. > > I just looked on a RH 7.2 machine. It has the AddModule line in the > default httpd.conf, but no mod_perl.so in the modules directory. OK try: ps wwaux | grep httpd Does it have -DHAVE_PERL? -- Dave Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hire http://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: modperl growth
Paul DuBois <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Mac OS X includes Apache, and mod_perl works there, too. That's > another group of potential new mod_perl-ized servers. I think all the recent RedHats come with mod_perl as a DSO by default. -- Dave Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hire http://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: modperl growth
Matt Sergeant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > However I'm always skeptical of such massive changes - perhaps more likely > is a change in SecuritySpace's methodology? Don't Netcraft keep numbers? -- Dave Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hire http://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: New mod_perl Logo
Ged Haywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi there, > > On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Chris Thompson wrote: > > > "mod_perl" is a lousy name. > [snip] > > mod_perl needs a name. Something marketable, something catchy. > > How about "BigFoot"? Sasquatch. -- Dave Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hire http://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: Dynamically serving an .htaccess file with mod_perl
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Does anyone know of a way that I can server the contents of an > > > .htaccess file dynamically? > > Make the .htacess file in question a FIFO, with a script on the > > backend that Does The Right Thing. > > Whoops, you would loose big when two concurrent Apache processes > attempt to access the .htaccess simultaneously... Not if the file is small enough...low level reads are granular up to, I think 8k. Maybe. -- Dave Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hire http://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: Thumbnail generator
Issac Goldstand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Part of the idea here is to do everything on-the-fly so that changes > on the filesystem (in terms of adding/removing pictures) will > IMMEDIATELY take effect (including caching, etc) on the web interface. > That means no thumbnails to start with. Yeah, but cache early, cache often. -- Dave Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hire http://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: Fast template system
Ryan Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Any thoughts? You really have to ask?!!! * _Dave thinks: Template Toolit. -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Deep Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: irc
Thomas Eibner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sat, Dec 22, 2001 at 07:21:00AM -0800, brian moseley wrote: > > > > i can't believe i never thought to ask this in 4 years, but: > > do any of you hang out on irc anywhere in particular? > > shouldn't there be a #mod_perl somewhere, if there isn't > > already? > > We used to hang on #Take23 on Openprojects for a while, but it kinda > died out.. > > You have any suggestions? #london.pm on irc.rhizomatic.net Very warm and fuzzy. -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Deep Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: mod_perl vs. C for high performance Apache modules
Toni Andjelkovic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > 2.x linux kernels too. > > that was an issue with 2.0.x, since 2.2.x > you can do it with That was what I meant...decimal point in the wrong place... :-) -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Deep Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: mod_perl vs. C for high performance Apache modules
"Perrin Harkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I spoke to the technical lead at Yahoo who said mod_perl will not scale as > > well as c++ when you get to their level of traffic, but for a large > > ecommerce site mod_perl is fine. > > According to something I once read by David Filo, Yahoo also had to tweak > the FreeBSD code because they had trouble scaling *TCP/IP*! I would say > their experience is not typical. Increasing the number of file handles, I'd wager. That was an issue on 2.x linux kernels too. -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Deep Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: mod_perl vs. C for high performance Apache modules
Jeff Yoak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi All, > > Recently I did a substantial project for a client in using > mod_perl. That client is happy with the work, but an > investor with their company is very angry because of what a > horrible choice mod_perl is for high-load web applications > compared with Apache modules and even CGI programs, written > in C. If anyone on this list could forward any resources > that do comparisons along these lines, or even analysis of > mod_perl's handling of high-load web traffic, I would be very > grateful. Kill the investors. Really. -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Deep Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: load balancing on apache
"Perrin Harkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I am planning to host an application and its size is going to be big one , > > so expect the concurrent number of connection s to be around 2200. > > To combat the same , want to perform load sharing on 3-4 servers. > > If you really expect 2200 concurrent connections, you should buy dedicated > load-balancing hardware like Big/IP or Cisco LocalDirector. Aside from the fact I _really_ wouldn't expect that manny actual, live TCP connections at one time...that many users, maybe... I _really_ hate so-called dedicated boxes. They're closed, nasty, inflexible and often don't work in _your_ situation. Doing smart session-based redirection can be hard with these boxes. -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Deep Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: load balancing on apache
"Hemant Singh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi All > > > > I am planning to host an application and its size is going to be big one , so > expect the concurrent number of connection s to be around 2200.To combat the > same , want to perform load sharing on 3-4 servers.So the ide is to put one > machine on external IP and this machine , after receiving the requests would > forward them to any of the other three machines having the application > deployed and running on the same environment.Pls suggest how can i achieve > this on apache. Depends how much session persistence you're keeping on the middle tier. You can do things smarter than pure round robin with a few mod_rewrite rules on the front. -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Deep Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: ASP.NET Linux equivalent?
Medi Montaseri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > You can also use the tie() feature of Perl to abstract read/write to > database. In fact you can write a pretty flexible module to figure out > many things, such as table name, col name, etc... I'm a HUGE fan of Tie::DBI for dealing with little lookup tables. Works especially well with GGI.pm's widgets for creating drop downs and radio lists. Whatever happened to the widget subproject that span out of the modperl list a few months ago? -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Deep Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: ASP.NET Linux equivalent?
Kee Hinckley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > At 6:55 PM -0500 12/3/01, Vsevolod Ilyushchenko wrote: > >Hi, > > > >Is anyone aware of a Linux product equivalent to ASP.NET from MS? Its most > >attractive feature is the GUI construction of Web forms and the automatic > >connection of their fields to a database. Since I am getting sick and tired > >of writing over and over the code to process user input and store it in the > >database, a similar product would be a huge help. (PHPLens does something > > The combo of Embperl and DBIx::Recordset will come pretty close to > automating the fetch and store of database records into a form > (perhaps four or five lines of embedded Perl for each). Designing > the form is not there though. I did an auto-form generator-from-schema thing once. Too many exceptions and meta-data involved to actually make it really worthwhile. -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Deep Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: [modperl site design challenge] please vote
Stas Bekman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Thanks to Eric Cholet for providing this voting script and hosting it. HTTP/1.1 200 OK Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 09:39:28 GMT Server: Apache/1.3.23-dev (Unix) PHP/4.0.6 mod_perl/1.26_01-dev Connection: close Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Expires: Tue, 04 Dec 2001 09:39:28 GMT Double header issue? -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Deep Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: [OT] log analyzing programs
Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Any suggestions for favorite ones? wusage seems to require a lot of > resources -- maybe that's not unusual? It runs once a week. Here's a > about six days worth of requests. Doesn't see like that many. analog - but _do_ read the words that go with it, know what you're analysing. i have a stats redux note on my site too. -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Deep Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: [OT] A couple of dubious network problems...
Mark Maunder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Dave Hodgkinson wrote: > > > 1. On a RH6.0 (yes, ick) box without persistent DBI connections, the > > server side of the DBD::mysql connection was successfully closed > > (netstat shows nothing), but the client side shows a TIME_WAIT state, > > which hangs around for 30 seconds or so before > > disappearing. Obviously, using Apache::DBI makes this go away, but > > it's disturbing nonetheless. Does this ring any bells? > > Dunno about number 2, but 1 is perfectly normal. TIME_WAIT is a condition > the OS puts a closed socket into to prevent another app from using the > socket, just in case the peer host has any more packets to send to that > port. The host that closes the socket will put the old socket into > TIME_WAIT. BSD IP stack implementations keep sockets in time_wait for > about 30 seconds, others go up to 2 minutes. The duration is called 2MSL > (2 * max_segment_lifetime). Don't worry about it and dont mess with it > (unless you're consuming 64000+ sockets per 30 seconds, in which case you > have other problems to deal with ;-) Does SO_REUSEADDR make this go away? -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Deep Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
[OT] A couple of dubious network problems...
Chaps, Can I pick the wisdom of the hive here please? I witnessed a couple of mod_perl related network problems yesterday which are kind of mod_perl related: 1. On a RH6.0 (yes, ick) box without persistent DBI connections, the server side of the DBD::mysql connection was successfully closed (netstat shows nothing), but the client side shows a TIME_WAIT state, which hangs around for 30 seconds or so before disappearing. Obviously, using Apache::DBI makes this go away, but it's disturbing nonetheless. Does this ring any bells? 2. On both RH6 (in the office) and Solaris (at the co-lo) with a middling-recent Apache and mod_perl, some pages were getting truncated when sent to the browser. This happens on a variety of browsers and a variety of pages. Once it happens on a particular combination of page and browser it's reproducible. Now, the page is definitely being completely sent to $r-print(), but it's not making it to the browser (or at least that's what tcpdump shows). Again, any bells ringing? Thanks, Dave
Re: [DBI] DBI->install_driver fails
Ged Haywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi there, > > On Sat, 17 Nov 2001, Dau Hee wrote: > > [snip,snip] > > I also use up2date to upgraded my glibc to 2.2.4 from 2.2.2. > > Why? If it ain't broke, don't mend it. Because RedHat will have fixed stuff. For some values of fixed. I normally roll my own mod_perl Apaches, but I recently put RH7.1 on my desktop and so far, the out-of-the box install and complete up2date has been sweet. My recommendation to our friend would be to make sure ALL the RPMs are up to date - perl included. It might be a large update, but at least everything will be in step. When are we going for that beer, Ged? ;-) -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Deep Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: Doing Authorization using mod_perl from a programmers perspective
"Jonathan E. Paton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Please don't flame me, I'll go away... honest :P I wonder if you're trying to do too much too soon? If you're concerned about hosting then *gulp* PHP might server you better. I rent a dedicated server because I want absolute control and the ability to run my own handler. -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Deep Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: Excellent article on Apache/mod_perl at eToys
Nathan Torkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Leon Brocard writes: > > > Perhaps a port of JMS is in order. > > > > Interestingly, I've been thinking along the same lines. Spread > > (http://www.spread.org/) can be used for the publish/subscribe > > messaging domain but queueing seems to be important too. Straying a > > bit offtopic perhaps, but I wonder what would be involved... > > I like the idea of P2EE. If the goal is to provide the same features > as Java, why not just implement the Java messaging, transactions, > etc. APIs in Perl? That is, endeavour to have the same classes and > methods as Java, to the greatest extent possible. That'll also make > it possible for Java programmers to become Perl programmers, bwahaha. That's P5EE Is there a nice graphicy map of what actually constitutes J2EE onto which we can overlay the relevant perl bitz? -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com All the Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: Mod_perl component based architecture
Gargi Bodke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > hi > i have been asked to suggest an architecture to seperate the business > logic from the html. > how is this done in modperl? i guess by using functions for the business > logic. > is there any other way? By using one of the many available templaters, my preference being the Template Toolkit. you can fake up a pretty decent Model-View-Controller patterm from that. > > also does modperl support object oriented programming? As much as perl does. -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com All the Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: Programmer Wanted
"BuildReferrals.com" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Hello, You need a decent client side programmer too...all the stupid popups, scripting and crap killed my netscape. -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com All the Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: Off-topic - Apache Config - Load crises
Rafiq Ismail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >iv) Something else? Two tier Apache. Increase shareability. Read the guide. -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com All the Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: [VERY OT] What hourly rate to charge for programming?
Chris Devers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Ahh, you have Budweiser in Australia too, then? ;) Worse: Fosters. -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com All the Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: [VERY OT] What hourly rate to charge for programming?
Gunther Birznieks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > America is richer than Australia. Yeah, but the food's better in Oz. Still, the beer sucks in both ;-) -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com All the Purple Family Tree news http://www.slashrock.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
For hire...
I've got some availability at the moment so if anyone needs anything from a couple of hours sorting out performance issues (and therefore avoiding that costly upgrade!) up to planning and implementing major rearchitectures, let me know. Check my site for recent projects, references supplied from ecstatic clients on request. Thanks, Dave -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.davehodgkinson.com Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire -- chmod a+x /bin/laden --
Re: keeping client images private
will trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > i'm sure there's more than one way to do this -- and before i > take the likely-to-be-most-circuituitous route, i thought i'd > cull advice from the clever minds on this list... Take a look at the mod_rewrite cookbook...there's some neat stuff in there. -- David Hodgkinson, Wizard for Hirehttp://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim Technical Director, Web Architecture Consultant for hire
Re: FW: AuthCookie Woes!
"Chris Lavin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have used a sniffer and no cookie is being sent! Man this is frustrating! Are you positive the cookie domain is being set properly? -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: OT: Re: ApacheCon Dublin Cancelled?
Nathan Torkington <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Are there any requests other than price for next year? Have it in London. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: CGI module or Apache
Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Just use it in your handlers normally. It'll only be included once per > process, . . . right? Put it in startup.pl and it'll get mostly shared too! -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Job: Chief Wizard for Hire
All the current projects are done and dusted and the T-shirts are at the printers (really!). I'm looking for the next round of excellent clients to work with. Take a look at my site at http://www.hodgkinson.org/ to see what I'm up to. Thanks, Dave -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: mod_perl and 700k files...
Morbus Iff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Well, it's a big deal if you've no "in" with the place you're webhosting > with, sure... No one wants to be told that some lowly customer wants to > restart the server that's running 200 other vhosts... > > Granted, I work at the damn webhost, but it's gotten to the point where all > the gizmo's and crap I've added have slowly been dipping the "stop touching > the server, you feature freak" - I'd rather not stress the relationship. Sounds like you need to start running multiple Apaches. Get to know the architecture sections of the guide, get familiar with mod_rewrite and start dividing up your servers. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: Is this startup.pl ok?
Philip Mak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I thought it was shared, because under top, "SHARE" was almost as big as > "RSS". Before Stas starts laying into me for misleading inaccuracy, take a look at the guide: http://perl.apache.org/guide/ There's LOTS of good stuff in there on shareabiliy. If your processes start at 10M, then grow to 80M, that memory is probably _not_ shared. Unless you're mapping in some shared memory or something. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: Is this startup.pl ok?
Philip Mak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > My Apache with modperl is acting weird with respect to memory usage. > > When it first starts up, each process uses 10 MB of memory. > > As time goes on, these processes' memory usage grows and grows. Right now > they're 20 MB (uptime 2 days). When I rebooted the machine two days ago, > they were using 80 MB each (shared memory, though). MaxRequestsPerChild is > set to 200. What operating system? I'd be inclined to stuff a lot more of the generic modules you use (CGI, Template Toolkit, URI, Date modules) into startup.pl. The more the merrier. If a process starts at 10M and grows to 80M that's 70M per process, _unshared_ for sure. Not good. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: Loading Index.pl as the Root File
"Jeffrey W. Baker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Al Morgan wrote: > > > I've been studying Slash to better understand mod_perl. I think I > > understand everything that happens in the config file, except for this: > > That is probably the single worst way to learn about mod_perl. Slash is > the only program that makes me physically ill. It is the single worst > piece of programming ever released upon the world. No, that would be Matt's Script Archive. Have you seen Slash 2.0? Even uses the Template Toolkit. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: mod_perl and low physical memory?
Davin Flatten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello all! > > I am writing a web based mapping application in Perl > using Apache, Mod_Perl, MySQL and such. I am writing > it at home on an old machine that has very little > memory. 32 Megs to be exact. I have found that when > I run my script under mod_perl it seems to follow this > pattern: Ok, 1..2..3: http://perl.apache.org/guide/ !!! -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: Web forum engine
"Per Einar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > I am looking around for a web forum engine like > wwwthreads(URL:http://www.wwwthreads.com/) which is GPL'ed(or atleast Open > Source) and runs under mod_perl. I know wwwthreads was GPL before, and I > think there have been someone who has taken up the project under a different > name, if anyone knows about this, please tell me. mwforum, and a Template Toolkit version may well be in the pipeline. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: Fast DB access
clayton cottingham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Matthew Kennedy wrote:
> >
> > On 17 Apr 2001 18:24:43 -0700, clayton wrote:
> > >
> > > i wanted a good benchmark for postgres and mysql
> > > {i hope to transpose the sql properly!}
> > >
> >
> > This is a good comparison of MySQL and PostgreSQL 7.0:
> >
> > "Open Source Databases: As The Tables Turn" --
> > http://www.phpbuilder.com/columns/tim20001112.php3
>
>
> very nice not all the info i was looking for but some solid answers
Do go through all the answers since there were some extreme flaws in
the tests (as always!) and there were issues in MySQL that were fixed.
I don't know if the tests were eventually run against MySQL 3.23.
--
Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org
Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com
Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: Apache growing.
Michael Bacarella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > (I'm not sure this is even a code problem. Maybe perl is just bad at keeping > a single consistent working set and the copy-on write from the parent Apache > kicks in and keeps increasing unique per process memory consumption). There's lots of good stuff in the mod_perl guide on tracking down leaks. Both perl and mod_perl have both been extensively tested . It's worthwhile to have done this at least once so you know how to do it when you really need to do it. In addition, profiling your code is a Good Thing to do :-) -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Build problems on Mandrake
I'm trying to build mod_perl on my Mandrake 7.2 laptop, apache 1.3.19, mod_perl 1.25 and perl 5.6.0 and I'm getting: cc -DLINUX=22 -DMOD_PERL -DUSE_PERL_SSI -fno-strict-aliasing -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -DUSE_HSREGEX -DNO_DL_NEEDED -fno-strict-aliasing -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 `./apaci`\ -o httpd buildmark.o modules.o modules/standard/libstandard.a modules/perl/libperl.a main/libmain.a ./os/unix/libos.a ap/libap.a regex/libregex.a -lm -lcrypt -rdynamic -Wl,-rpath,/usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-linux/CORE -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/i386-linux/CORE -lperl -lnsl -ldl -lm -lc -lposix -lcrypt modules/perl/libperl.a(perlxsi.o): In function `xs_init': perlxsi.o(.text+0xdb): undefined reference to `boot_DynaLoader' collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[3]: *** [target_static] Error 1 Am I missing something? Is it a perl issue? TIA, Dave -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: Renegotiate Language
Joachim Zobel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi. > > I want to use content negotiation to choose a starting language and return > appropriate content. I know how to do that with mod_negotiate. What I would > like to add is the possibility for the user to add a language. Therefore I > want the server to renegotiate the language with different preferences. How > can I do this. Look at the HTTP_ACCEPT_LANGUAGE environment variable? I've done this and actually got resistance from Brazilians who preferred the Engligh content. You might be better off with a user preference. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: book recommendations?
Paul Evad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I know a lot of the good O'Rielly books are showing some age (1999 > publishing date). Anyone out there have a copy of "Writing Apache > Modules with Perl and C", is it still relevant enough with the > current apache mod_perl distro's to be worthwhile getting? Absolutely. > > Suggestions on good reference books to get? (I have most of the Perl > library already). Effective Perl Damian Conway's Object Oriented Perl Data Munging in Perl -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Interim CTO, web server farms, technical strategy
Re: Apache thrashing my swap...
"Jason Terry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I know this isn't really a mod_perl problem... but I also know that this list is >probably the most likely to have other people who > have exactly this issue on their machines I wonder if putting a thin apache on the front of a very limited fat apache would at least get you somewhere near where you want to be. If someone hits stop before something gets passed to the fat apache, will it get tossed completely? Having a maxclients limit on the fat apache will keep memory and CPU usage sane. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
Re: Process Running Even after timeout
"Kiran Kumar.M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I have a program that fetches data from mysql database,since the = > database is huge the user gets a time-out(this has been taken care now = > :-)) , but when i see the process list the mysqld process for that = > request is still running , Dosent apache close the database connection = > after it sends a timeout ??? Yes, but mysql is busy doing your query. -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
Re: newbie mess
matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > but that is half-ass. from what i read i have to compile suexec > appropiately. but i am not sure about that either. man suexec: /usr/man/man8/suexec.8 /usr/local/src/apache_perl/apache_1.3.14/src/support/suexec.8 Read the INSTALL options for what to do on build... Cheers, Dave -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
Re: [JOB] another bloke for hire...
I'm looking at justifying a trip to Japan in late March. If there's anyone who needs some Apache architecture, Apache::Registry-ification of existing CGI code or in depth MySQL tuning work, please mail me. Thanks, Dave -- Dave Hodgkinson, http://www.hodgkinson.org Editor-in-chief, The Highway Star http://www.deep-purple.com Apache, mod_perl, MySQL, Sybase hired gun for, well, hire -
Re: search engine for the Guide
Stas Bekman wrote: > Yeah, it's a nice trick. The thing that defeats it a search engine, is > it's freshness. We cannot tell google to rehash the Guide when there is a > new version, and searching the outdated version is a bad idea. Google is _very_ good at visiting frequently. Accounts for a siginificant proportion of hits on some of Sift's sites :-) -- Editor, "The Highway Star" http://www.deep-purple.com Dave endorses Yanagisawa saxes, Apache, Perl, Linux, MySQL, emacs, gnus
Re: [RFC] modproxy:modperl ratios...
Vivek Khera wrote: > > >>>>> "DH" == Dave Hodgkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > DH> I'm currently arguing about this very thing with my BOFH - I think we > DH> should have, effectively, an SSI apache and a mod_perl apache, he's > > I tend to call mod_perl scripts from my SSI's, so it makes sense for > me to keep them on the same server. Sounds like a plan. Did we ever resolve the buffering question on squid? How much can squid suck from a fat apache thread before it fills its buffer? -- Editor, "The Highway Star" http://www.deep-purple.com Dave endorses Yanagisawa saxes, Apache, Perl, Linux, MySQL, emacs, gnus
Re: Proxy front end behind 64k
Matt Sergeant wrote: > > I'm behind a 64k leased line here (net access is *extremely* expensive > here in the UK) and I was thinking, a proxy front end is probably really > not necessary for me. Worst case scenario: I get 8 clients connecting to > my at about 1KB/s - my pipe is maxed out anyway, so pushing them > onto a proxy is just making more work! Just a thought for anyone > thinking about a proxy front end - evaluate your pipe too. > I couldn't get your CV: Not Found The requested URL /cgi-bin/xmerge.pl was not found on this server. Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request. Cheers! Dave -- David Hodgkinson, Technical Director, Sift PLChttp://www.sift.co.uk Editor, "The Highway Star" http://www.deep-purple.com Dave endorses Yanagisawa saxes, Apache, Perl, Linux, MySQL, emacs, gnus
Re: [RFC] modproxy:modperl ratios...
Vivek Khera wrote: > > > "MS" == Matt Sergeant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> doing - and the TCP listen queue will hold a few more > >> connections if you are slightly short of backends. > > MS> Is there any benefit of mod_proxy over a real proxy front end like "Oops"? > > Not being familiar with "Oops", I can say that I use mod_proxy as the > front end so that I can do virtual hosting. Doing this with Squid is > not so straight-forward (meaning it requires me to spend lots of time > learning something else to maintain.) We use squid as the front end proxy for about 180 domains and it works well. It catches about 50 "stupid redirect" domains, ones that bounce to a subdirectory of a larger site. We reckon at least 50% of all traffic is cached, which is to be expected as our sites are heavily SSI driven and therefore regular html just doesn't cache and nor should it. Squid's OK and a lot better than it used to be. If we were running on less hardware (currently 3 tier: proxy, 2xmod_perl servers, database), then I'd think hard about using a single, modular apache build and two instances of apache. I'm currently arguing about this very thing with my BOFH - I think we should have, effectively, an SSI apache and a mod_perl apache, he's going with the KISS principle. Since at the moment we're by no means constrained by "concurrent" users eating connections to fat servers and you can always turn off keepalive on apache, I'm leaning towards KISS too. -- David Hodgkinson, Technical Director, Sift PLChttp://www.sift.co.uk Editor, "The Highway Star" http://www.deep-purple.com Dave endorses Yanagisawa saxes, Apache, Perl, Linux, MySQL, emacs, gnus
Re: Trying not to re-invent the wheel
Gisle Aas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > --=-=-= > > "Christian Gilmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > I found that writing my own parser to fit my specific need was far > > and away the fastest thing I could do. It really depends upon your > > specific application. HTML::Parser is nice if you want to see the > > structure of the document your parsing but is just too slow to use > > for wresting particular tags from a document... > > True. This was the main reason I started work on a new XS based > HTML::Parser a week ago. It should make much of the performance > argument go away. Still, most of the HTML that I have ever needed to > parse or manipulate is regular enough to make perl REs good enough. Do you have any numbers on speed? Ta, Dave -- David Hodgkinson, Technical Director, Sift PLChttp://www.sift.co.uk Editor, "The Highway Star" http://www.deep-purple.com Dave endorses Yanagisawa saxes, Apache, Perl, Linux, MySQL, emacs, gnus
Re: authentication via login form
Michael Peppler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Don't use the IP address. Some proxy systems have a non-static IP > address for requests coming from the same physical client (some of > AOLs proxies work that way, if I remember correctly...) "...or something..." ;-) -- David Hodgkinson, Technical Director, Sift PLChttp://www.sift.co.uk Editor, "The Highway Star" http://www.deep-purple.com Dave endorses Yanagisawa saxes, Apache, Perl, Linux, MySQL, emacs, gnus
Re: authentication via login form
"Jamie O'Shaughnessy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> On 11 Oct 99 15:05:23 +0100, you wrote:
>
> >I was actually looking at a PerlTransHandler that I'd drop into
> >my site-wide files that would do something like the following:
> >
> > my $uri = $r->uri;
> > if ($uri =~ s#/@@(\d+)@@/#/#) {
> > $session = $1;
> > $r->uri($uri);
> > $r->header(Session => $session);
> > }
> >
> >This way, a session ID could be generated of the form
> >
> > /some/path/@@123456@@/foo/bar.html
> >
>
> But isn't the problem then that if the user cuts & pastes the URL for
> someone else to use (e.g. mails it to someone), they're also then passing
> on their authentication?
>
> Doesn't this also mean you can only have links from sessioned pages ->
> non-sessioned pages or sessioned pages -> sessioned pages and not
> non-sessioned pages -> sessioned pages. I'd classify a non-sessioned page
> as a static HTML page.
>
> Have I missed something here?
Perhaps an MD2 or MD5 hash that has an IP and the username or some
other bumf as semi-authentication might do the trick?
We've done something similar for embedding URLs into newsletter type
emails so when people click through they come to something
personalised for them.
Still, that's only for us pushing to them, anything involving money
requires a full session login on the secure server.
--
David Hodgkinson, Technical Director, Sift PLChttp://www.sift.co.uk
Editor, "The Highway Star" http://www.deep-purple.com
Dave endorses Yanagisawa saxes, Apache, Perl, Linux, MySQL, emacs, gnus
Re: sybase / mod_perl / linux question? [OFFTOPIC]
"Joe Pearson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > What about raw partitions on linux. I thought linux does not support > raw partitions (maybe this has changed?) Since Sybase really > recommends databases be put on raw partitions so that disk writes are > not buffered by the OS. Strangely, I seem to remember on the "Sybase Performance Tuning" course I went on, the opposite view was taken, since maximum use was made of cool facilities in the operating system if you went over the filesystem. This was Sybase 10 though so it may well have changed since then. And YMMV. -- David Hodgkinson, Technical Director, Sift PLChttp://www.sift.co.uk Editor, "The Highway Star" http://www.deep-purple.com Dave endorses Yanagisawa saxes, Apache, Perl, Linux, MySQL, emacs, gnus
Re: Server Stats
Matt Sergeant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Sadly Phillip Greenspun, while a great writer, isn't that fabulous > technically (although he's on the right track by not recommending NT). See > how he also recommends HP-UX as the fastest and most stable Unix around. Yeah, but have you seen the kit they gave him! -- David Hodgkinson, Technical Director, Sift PLChttp://www.sift.co.uk Editor, "The Highway Star" http://www.deep-purple.com Dave endorses Yanagisawa saxes, Apache, Perl, Linux, MySQL, emacs, gnus
Re: a summary was: RE: New mod_perl RPM really needed? (was: sourcegarden plug)
Stas Bekman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > On Wed, 06 Oct 1999, Stas Bekman wrote: > > > I guess that the real problem is a DSO and all the required configuration. > > > Why don't we roll a static mod_perl with apache: apache-mod_perl.rpm > > > and let all the troubles go. Just install this rpm, fire the server and > > > you are all set! > > > > Because most people's Apache's are a little more complex. (e.g. requiring > > php or some other module). I suppose you could compile it in statically > > _and_ allow DSO's, but then it's hard to nail down exactly what people want > > (something I abhor about rpm's - there's no flexibility when you install > > them). > > Matt, we aren't trying to take away the joy of mod_perl building :) > the RPM woes were about newbies installing mod_perl, grabbing the > book and getting their feet wet with mod_perl in a matter of seconds. > > An EVERYTHING=1 + static mod_perl would be perfect for 99.9% of new users. > > The people whose Apaches are a little more complex, know how to build > mod_perl from the sources, don't we :) Which reminds me of something I do here. Typically, when building the bloated apache that sits behind squid or whatever, you need mod_perl, php, mod_ssl and the rest. As you install each they typically crap over each other's config.status files. So I save them after each step and then build and squirrel away the loaded config.status file. A trivial tip, but one that newbies might find useful. If Stas hasn't already got it in his book ;-) -- David Hodgkinson, Technical Director, Sift PLChttp://www.sift.co.uk Editor, "The Highway Star" http://www.deep-purple.com Dave endorses Yanagisawa saxes, Apache, Perl, Linux, MySQL, emacs, gnus
