Re: [NTG-context] Textext Question

2006-05-27 Thread Jean Magnan de Bornier
Le 27 mai à 00:06:16 Otared Kavian [EMAIL PROTECTED] écrit notamment:

 On 26 mai 2006, at 22:24, Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote:

 Le 26 mai à 18:10:43 Willi Egger [EMAIL PROTECTED] écrit notamment:

 Hi Jean Magnan,

 You should add  \useMPlibrary[txt] in order to get textext working.
 Further define AX as a path only.
 In the dummy-graphic say drawdblarrow AX.withcolor blue;

 After these changes I got the label as well as the double arrow.
 Hi,
 thanks to you and Renaud; I changed my file to this: []

 Hi,

 Actually I tried your file and got the same Undefined message in  
 place of the graphics.
 However the following works for me (latest ConTeXt installed with i- 
 Installer on Mac OS X 10.4.6):

 \setuppapersize[S6][S6]
 \setupcolors[state=start]

 \starttext
 \startbuffer[essai]
 numeric u; u = .4cm;
 path p; p = (10u,0)--(0,0)--(0,10u);
 pickup pencircle scaled .8mm;
 drawdblarrow p withcolor red;
 label.rt(textext($3x^2+\pi$), (5u,6u));
 \stopbuffer

 \placefigure[left]{bla.bla}{\processMPbuffer[essai]}
 \input dawkins
 \stoptext

 If I add
 \useMPlibrary[txt]
 at the beginning everything works fine as well. But if I add
 \runMPgraphicstrue
 then I get the Undefined message in the PDF. So it seems that the  
 problem comes from this latter command.
Hi all, I tried various ways as suggested on my file with the setups
\useMPlibrary[txt] and \runMPgraphicstrue. The only combination that's
working is to have \useMPlibrary[txt] and not the other. Is it proper to
my installation, as others seem to have other requirements? 

As for texmfstart texexec it is unknown on my machine, I don't have ruby
installed anyway (is it necessary?).

 Thanks to all!
-- 
jean
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Re: [NTG-context] A question for you

2006-05-27 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2006-05-27 um 04:01 schrieb Idris Samawi Hamid:

 Which typesetting tasks do you NOT do in ConTeXt, and what do you  
 prefer
 to use for those tasks?

I use InDesign CS(2) for most of my print work, because...
- I do design for a living, and my colleagues and sometimes customers  
must be able to work with my data
- I mostly have irregular layouts that maybe possible, but very non- 
intuitive and uncomfortable in a command based way
- I seldom could use TeX's strong points (like toc, index,  
references, numbering etc.)
- most of my work is easier to do if I can see what I do (if not what  
I get)
- I still can't handle formula based graphics (MetaPost, PSTricks et  
al.)
- it handles image downsampling etc. for me (I often need different  
resolutions of the same layout)
- I hate QuarkXPress, PageMaker, CorelDraw et al.  ;-)

I use ConTeXt if the task is suitable for automation (e.g. my address  
book and planner calendar) or for text-centered books and I try to if  
I need the same content in different formats (e.g. presentation/ 
handout; songbook in A4 and planner format).

I normally never use word processors other than for text exchange - I  
write letters and invoices in InDesign, even if I try to switch to  
ConTeXt for that.

One of my last projects (a book on steam engineering) contained a lot  
of formulae; I would have done it with ConTeXt, but the customer  
wanted to get editable WYSIWYG data, so I used ID again. On the one  
hand it was tedious (math accents are difficult with such a program),  
on the other hand I finally could try ID's book features that worked  
rather well for me.

 A corallary question:

 What typesetting tasks do you find difficult-to-onerous in ConTeXt  
 (even
 in nothing else is available)?

- It's hard to understand how the layout parameters influence each other
- There are often situations in which I can't understand why  
something doesn't work (e.g. named buffers in layers, where nameless  
buffers work)
- It's hard to understand or track down, if/why some fonts aren't found
- some documentation is hard to find (if present at all); esp. if  
plain TeX commands are involved
- I never understand, when (de)activation of elements (logos,  
layers...) works or why not

Everything is hard if you're not used to it...


Greetlings from Lake Constance!
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Re: [NTG-context] Textext Question

2006-05-27 Thread Hans Hagen
Aditya Mahajan wrote:
 On Fri, 26 May 2006, Jean Magnan de Bornier wrote:

   
 Le 26 mai � 18:10:43 Willi Egger [EMAIL PROTECTED] �crit notamment:

 
 Hi Jean Magnan,

 You should add  \useMPlibrary[txt] in order to get textext working.
 Further define AX as a path only.
 In the dummy-graphic say drawdblarrow AX.withcolor blue;

 After these changes I got the label as well as the double arrow.
   
 Hi,
 thanks to you and Renaud; I changed my file to this:
 ...
 \setupoutput[pdftex]
 \runMPgraphicstrue
 \useMPlibrary[txt]

 \setuppapersize[S6][S6]
 \setupcolors[state=start]

 \startMPinclusions
 numeric u; u=.8cm;
 path AX; AX=(10u,0)--(0,0)--(0,10u);
 \stopMPinclusions
 \starttext
 \startuseMPgraphic{dummy}
 pickup pencircle scaled .8mm;
 drawdblarrow AX withcolor green;
 label.rt(textext($3x^2+\pi$), (5u,6u));
 \stopuseMPgraphic

 \placefigure[left]{bla.bla}{\useMPgraphic{dummy}}
 \input dawkins
 \stoptext
 ...

 I get the same unknown in place of the label.
 On computer one (my everyday machine) context is provided by TeX-Live, and
 I made the same experiment with my computer two where context is installed
 via TeTeX.
 Same result on both!
 


 This file compiles fine here (Windows XP + ConTeXt  ver: 
 2006.05.17 10:08). I get proper text in the right location.


   
 I Think I have followed normal installation procedures (enabling 
 write18 etc.) So I'm confused Thanks for any more help!
 

 Your first message said that you were running texexec.pl. Try 
 switching to texexec.rb, i.e., invoke context with

 texmfstart texexec filename
   
the file compiles ok here 

textext is scanned for (but you can force it with \forceMPTEXgraphictrue) 

This is what supp-mps defined: 

\forceMPTEXcheck{etex}
\forceMPTEXcheck{textext}
\forceMPTEXcheck{graphictext}

Hans 

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Re: [NTG-context] t-greek module and Latin Modern

2006-05-27 Thread Hans Hagen
Alan Bowen wrote:

 *B.*
 If I *do* reinstall the Latin Modern, I get �Arithmetic overflow 
 errors� when there is Greek in the footnotes. My code for this is:
hwo does the error message look? 

(the metrics of cm and lm are the same but there may be additional glyohs) 

Hans 

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Re: [NTG-context] XeTeX hangs

2006-05-27 Thread Hans Hagen
Otared Kavian wrote:

 As told above, ConTeXt is called from within TeXShop, but doing
 texexec eth-hans-2.tex --pdf
 in a Terminal window gives the same result (I apologize for not being 
 still up dto date with texmfstart... :-) )

 I wanted to let you know that I am gathering a number of issues or 
 ConTeXt things which do not work properly when ConTeXt is used 
 together with XeTeX. Should I send them directly to you and Taco or 
 post each problem separately on the list?



ok, what you see happen in 'non xetex context' is ok,

\catcode`ð=\active \defð{^^F0}

will fail because pdftex is *not* utf and only sees 8 bit characters, so 
you can only set the catcodes 0-255

\catcode `number=number

and in your case `Ã will become a number ° but ° not

\bgroup
\let\unicodechar\unicodenumber
\catcodeð=\active \defð{^^F0}
\egroup

could work (watch out: no `) but again, \catcode16 bit number is not 
accepted by regular 8 bit tex

so, a the moment, what you observe is ok; at the end of this year, in a 
32 bit pdftex, things may work different

Hans

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[NTG-context] making multiple choice questions exams

2006-05-27 Thread batela
Hi,

I need to make several versions of a multiple choice questions exam. In 
each exam the questions have to appear in a  different order. Did you 
know a easy way to do that?

Thanks

Jorge

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[NTG-context] Space between footnote number and text

2006-05-27 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Does anyone know of a way to get rid of the space between a footnote number and the footnote text? I am formatting my footnotes in paragraph form (n=0) and sometimes the footnote numbers actually appear at the end of a line with the textwrapped around tothe beginning of the next line (which doesn't look very attractive). I would prefer there to be no space at all between the footnote number and the text, but if there has to be one, it seems like it should be a non-breaking space. Is there a way to "fix" this?
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Re: [NTG-context] A question for you

2006-05-27 Thread gnwiii
On 5/26/06, Idris Samawi Hamid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Which typesetting tasks do you NOT do in ConTeXt, and what do you prefer
 to use for those tasks?

I'm involved with a report series for a small scientific organization.
 Years ago the organization hired a designer who knew PageMaker.  A
couple reports were done in PM, but the next one had losts of math and
a plain TeX version of the MS.  We used ConTeXt to duplicate his
design, with better results than you can get from PM.  Meanwhile,
other authors want to use LaTeX, the  designer moved on, and the
organization couldn't find a contractor willing to learn ConTeXt, so I
ended up creating a LaTeX style.

My feeling is that ConTeXt is good for creating one-off designs, but
for scientific work LaTeX is unavoidable.  Few people are willing to
invest time in ConTeXt when they are already familiar with LaTeX and
use it routinely for journal articles, proceedings, etc.  In
particular, it is easy to cut and paste equations between reports and
articles.

-- 
George N. White III [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia
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Re: [NTG-context] new release

2006-05-27 Thread Christopher Creutzig
Hans Hagen wrote:

 texmfstart --verbose --unix --stubpath=yourbinpath  --make all

  That is a cool feature.  But it does not set executable bits on the 
stubs yet, could you fix that?


Regards,
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Re: [NTG-context] new release

2006-05-27 Thread Hans Hagen
Christopher Creutzig wrote:
 Hans Hagen wrote:

   
 texmfstart --verbose --unix --stubpath=yourbinpath  --make all
 

   That is a cool feature.  But it does not set executable bits on the 
 stubs yet, could you fix that?
   
if you tell me what magic code is needed ... 

Hans 

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Re: [NTG-context] Stuck in texmfstart

2006-05-27 Thread Hans Hagen
Neal Lester wrote:
 At 10:38 AM 5/26/2006, you wrote:
   
 On 5/26/06, Neal Lester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 At 09:17 AM 5/26/2006, you wrote:
   
 This morning, when I try to run texexec, texmfstart gets stuck in the
 loop at line 262.
 
 Placing

 puts f

 below line 266 ( f.gsub(...) do

 prints:

 $TEXROOT/texmf/{-local,}/web2c/texmf.cnf

 (over and over again)
   
 Mine doesn't seem to enter this loop -- nothing is printed.   The
 above line looks
 like the entry from texsetup with an extra /:

 set TEXMFCNF=%TEXPATH%texmf{-local,}/web2c
 

 What I did is copy setuptex to /etc/profile.d/setuptex.sh and then 
 hard coded the value of TEXROOT in setuptex.sh instead of having the 
 script set it from the command line argument.

 echo $TEXMFCNF prints
 $TEXROOT/texmf{-local,}/web2c
   
i'm puzzled because the loop you mentioned is not supposed to be entered 
unless you run texmfstart as a kpseserver

do you use the latest versions of texmfstart etc?

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] notes on columnset typesetting (not only about)

2006-05-27 Thread Vit Zyka
Hans Hagen wrote:
 Vit Zyka wrote:
 Firstly, let us show some examples:
 - transparency frames
ftp://cmp.felk.cvut.cz/pub/cmp/users/zyka/vg-ex/vg05-ex-body1.pdf
 - two columnsets + marginals + figures + balancing
ftp://cmp.felk.cvut.cz/pub/cmp/users/zyka/vg-ex/vg05-ex-body2.pdf
 - two columnsets + page float
ftp://cmp.felk.cvut.cz/pub/cmp/users/zyka/vg-ex/vg05-ex-body3.pdf
 - three columnsets + floats
ftp://cmp.felk.cvut.cz/pub/cmp/users/zyka/vg-ex/vg05-ex-encyk.pdf
 - content
ftp://cmp.felk.cvut.cz/pub/cmp/users/zyka/vg-ex/vg05-ex-content.pdf
 - index
ftp://cmp.felk.cvut.cz/pub/cmp/users/zyka/vg-ex/vg05-ex-index.pdf
   
 nice; how about an article on such a project for the maps/tugboat

hmmm, I will think about it. But in the summer time I want to spent my 
spare time by beginners manual translation...

 Comments:
   grid
? if we want to do avoiding orphans and widows automatically,
  we would probably need the glue with DISCRETE STEP of
  stretch/shrink.
  Then we can say e.g.
\let\bl=\baselineskip
\setuphead
  [section]
  [before=\vskip1\bl plus1\bl withstep1\bl]
  to get vertical space before section head exactly 1 OR 2
  \baselineskip height.
  Another solution with stepwise box:
\vbox to2\bl plus2\bl withstep1\bl{\vfil heading \vfil}
   
 hm, worth investigating but maybe wait for what pdftex will bring some 
 day soon

you mean things about lua?

! the only problem was in the table of contents + columns;
  from the first line there was a small shift between columns;
  perhaps \splittopskip? but setting it to large enough value
  does not solve it.
   
 could be; actually i wish i'd set topskip to strutheight by default 
 which would make life way easier

perhaps; but imagine different strutheight in different columns (each 
column top line contains different font size - in the content it can be 
very frequent if each head level is typeset with diferent size); what about
   \setupcolumns[topskip=dimen|font] if font is given, dimen is calc

  after Hans improvement seems that some floats soes not dissappered 
 now, but need to be carefull
   
 i think that indeed some floats get lost bugs were solved but it's 
 always a bit tricky with left-overs
+ floats insertion with specifying place
  ? for top float: automatically setting \placeongrid[{broad,high}]
for bottom float \placeongrid[{broad,low}]
to be vertically align with text on the rest of column(s)
   
 there is some control possible, so remind me when you need it again 
 (\OTRSETprepareforcolumnslot permits log/middle/high handling but it's 
 not keyword driven (yet)

OK.

* balancing: only manually by setting:
 \setupcolumnsetlines[columnset_id][columnset_page][column][line]
  ! Not so painful if it not occures next: If there are many
 floats near balancing place they sometimes disappear or cause ignoring
 balancing - even if they can fit on the place.
  ? understand that automatical balancing with floats is extremly 
 difficult
   
 indeed
* page floats: big improvements during the work.
  ! running marginal text continue through the page with only float
  = so you have to manually insert blank vertical margin on such place
* header  footers: Hans did a new column marking:
 \getmarking[marking_id][column][last/first].
  ! There are some problems [perhaps with expansion (different 
 counter number and text)] if marking goes between two columnsets (framed 
 chapters cross two cols in examples).
   
 hm, some day ...
  = found acceptable hack but need more ivestigation on small 
 examples for cleaning.
   
 ok
   metapost inclusion
+ the most powerful, smooth and stable part of ConTeXt in my opinion 
 (see random frames, circles with transparent graphics, lines with color 
 shading)
   
= if you have many (over 1024!) shadings (- MP specials) do
  \settrue \manyMPspecials
   
 this is the default now (today i played with persistent mp runs and that 
 will speed up runtime processing enourmously)

what is persistent mp run? It means mp that has not changed since 
previous run? It would be great. (btw compilation the whole book takes 
about 20 min on 3.2 Ghz AMD.)

Vit

 index (register)
 
+ nice possibility to differentiate several groups (here 8 from which 
 4 have different visual marking of page number, see index example)
- sorting: until this spring there was no satisfied backround for
 Czech sorting in newtexutil.rb till this spring.
  = I did dirty reimplementation of old texutil.pl for doing so
  * I have to have a look for new sorting now.
- coupling: page numbers with group preserving (see example)
  = also in texutil.pl reimplementation

   regime
* my great discovery was that the regime IS
\enableregime{latin2} % correct
  and NOT
\enableregime{il2} % incorrect!
   
 well, il2 is actually a kind of hack: 

Re: [NTG-context] Stuck in texmfstart

2006-05-27 Thread Neal Lester
At 07:06 AM 5/27/2006, you wrote:
  What I did is copy setuptex to /etc/profile.d/setuptex.sh and then
  hard coded the value of TEXROOT in setuptex.sh instead of having the
  script set it from the command line argument.
 
  echo $TEXMFCNF prints
  $TEXROOT/texmf{-local,}/web2c
 
i'm puzzled because the loop you mentioned is not supposed to be entered
unless you run texmfstart as a kpseserver

do you use the latest versions of texmfstart etc?


I downloaded everything from pragma-ade.nl on last Thursday May 
27th.  The installation procedure I used is described in:

http://www.ntg.nl/pipermail/ntg-context/2006/018759.html

Neal



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Re: [NTG-context] notes on columnset typesetting (not only about)

2006-05-27 Thread Hans Hagen
Vit Zyka wrote:

 hm, worth investigating but maybe wait for what pdftex will bring some 
 day soon
 

 you mean things about lua?
   
no, more things like 32 bit, unicode, opentype and such

(the impact of lua will most noticably in interfacing areas)
 perhaps; but imagine different strutheight in different columns (each 
 column top line contains different font size - in the content it can be 
 very frequent if each head level is typeset with diferent size); what about
\setupcolumns[topskip=dimen|font] if font is given, dimen is calc
   
hm, probably doable but tricky (never say never)

Hans

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Re: [NTG-context] making multiple choice questions exams

2006-05-27 Thread Hans Hagen
batela wrote:
 Hi,

 I need to make several versions of a multiple choice questions exam. In 
 each exam the questions have to appear in a  different order. Did you 
 know a easy way to do that?

   
i did post some example code, didn't i? 

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Re: [NTG-context] A question for you

2006-05-27 Thread Taco Hoekwater
Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:
 
 Which typesetting tasks do you NOT do in ConTeXt, and what do you prefer  
 to use for those tasks?

I do not use ConTeXt for letters and invoices. I guess I could, but
I see little point, since I do not really care about how they look
as long as can get my point (or required payment ;-)) across to the
reader. And writing letters is simply easier in a word processor.

And for web programming I use plain pdfTeX to create auto-generated
PDF because it is both faster in processing and easier to trim down
the distribution.


 A corallary question:
 
 What typesetting tasks do you find difficult-to-onerous in ConTeXt (even  
 in nothing else is available)?

I dearly miss page templates a la framemaker. I am not sure if ID can
do that (we have CS2, but I never can find the time to give it a
thorough testing).

Cheers, Taco
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Re: [NTG-context] Textext Question

2006-05-27 Thread Willi Egger
Humble I got this one wrong!

Willi

Aditya Mahajan wrote:
 On Fri, 26 May 2006, Willi Egger wrote:

   
 Hi Jean Magnan,

 You should add  \useMPlibrary[txt] in order to get textext working.
 

 Why is this so? I could not find anything in meta-txt.tex to suggest 
 that it is needed for textext. The example works even without 
 \useMPlibrary[txt].


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Re: [NTG-context] making multiple choice questions exams

2006-05-27 Thread batela
Thanks for the reply.

Currently I make my examinations with MUCH+LaTeX, but I am exploring
ConTeXT and would like to know all its potentialities before
dedicating it more intensive atttention.

However, as  a teacher I recognize the importance of good examples in
the pedagogical actions.

Thanks a lot.

Jorge


Em 27/05/2006, às 5:22, Hans Hagen escreveu:

 batela wrote:
 Hi,

 I need to make several versions of a multiple choice questions exam. 
 In
 each exam the questions have to appear in a  different order. Did you
 know a easy way to do that?


 i did post some example code, didn't i?

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Re: [NTG-context] making multiple choice questions exams

2006-05-27 Thread Hans Hagen
batela wrote:
 Thanks for the reply.

 Currently I make my examinations with MUCH+LaTeX, but I am exploring
 ConTeXT and would like to know all its potentialities before
 dedicating it more intensive atttention.

 However, as  a teacher I recognize the importance of good examples in
 the pedagogical actions.
   
i'll make you a 

\startitemize[a,packed,random] 
\startitem ... \stopitem 
\startitem ... \stopitem 
\startitem ... \stopitem 
\stopitemize

i.e. a random option, since it's only a few lines of code 

Hans 


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[NTG-context] /author parameters in Bib module

2006-05-27 Thread Guðmundur J. Kristjánsson
Hi all.

I´m a relative newbie in ConTEXt but have used LaTEX for a couple of 
years. I recently decided to write me master's thesis in ConTEXt and so 
far it has been sweet...

I was looking into the Bib module and there is only one thing that I 
can't find in the documentation. What are parameters in the \author 
field? This is what I found in the documentation:

\author[#1]{#2}[#3]{#4}{#5} AUTHOR The author of a standalone 
publication, like a monograph.

What do #1, #2, #3, #4 and #5 stand for? If we look at the doc we get:
\author[]{Taco}[T.]{}{Hoekwater}

So we get:
#2 = First name.
#3 = Initial of first name? Middle name?
#5 = Last name

I have no idea what to do with #1 and #4.

Thanks in advance...

Best regards/Kær kveðja,
Guðmundur J. Kristjánsson
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Re: [NTG-context] A question for you

2006-05-27 Thread nico
On Fri, 26 May 2006 20:01:57 -0600, Idris Samawi Hamid  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Which typesetting tasks do you NOT do in ConTeXt, and what do you prefer
 to use for those tasks?

I don't use context for any technical documentation that requires several  
output formats (HTML, PDF, troff for manpages), and i use DocBook instead,  
well suited for a wide range of transformation.

This said, I now uses context as backend typesetting engine to convert the  
DocBook documents into PDF. I can then control the (high quality) output  
rendering, what I cannot do with XSL FO based transformation, and I don't  
need java neither (required to process FO, unless you use foxet, maybe).

 What typesetting tasks do you find difficult-to-onerous in ConTeXt (even
 in nothing else is available)?

Common documents exchanged with colleagues (who have falled into the dark  
side of MS wor(l)d).

BTW, I think that the biggest limitation to have context more used is the  
installation difficulties: too many dependencies to update by hand (tetex,  
LM fonts, launching scripts, config files), no standard installation (what  
about having one day something like a configure; make install), no  
packaging à la RPM, apt-get, or portinstall. Of course, once done,  
upgrading the context release is not a big deal, but the first step is not  
obvious. It's the only explanation I've found why latex is so popular;  
knowing a bit more the context interface and features I now look latex as  
a stone age tex macro package.

Regards,
BG
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