Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012
Hi, On Sep 5, 2012, at 2:29 PM, Marcus (OOo) wrote: > Sorry, when I'm a bit late with this. Not too late. The mentors have not signed off and the IPMC takes at least a week to review. > > Not that it makes a real difference. But in the March and June report it was > named "OpenOffice (was OpenOffice.org)". Now it's again "OpenOffice.org". Done. Officially in the Incubator records we are OpenOffice.org, but podling name changes are not uncommon. > > Furthermore, I don't like the formulation > > "We expect to graduate in the next quarter." > > Maybe it's because I'm not a native speaker but for me it sounds like too > much demanding. A sentence like "We plan and work to fulfill graduation in > the next quarter." fits much better. I changed to "We are working to fulfill graduation requirements in the next quarter." > > Of course, my 2 ct. Worth more than that. Regards, Dave > > Marcus > > > > Am 09/05/2012 11:01 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk: >> >> >> On 09/04/2012 09:04 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >>> Minor correction: >>> >>> The proposal is at <http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012> >>> down the list of reports in their alphabetical order. >>> >>> >>> - Dennis >> >> yes, thanks for the correction Dennis and for forging ahead with this Dave. >> >> >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] >>> Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 20:50 >>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >>> Cc: orc...@apache.org >>> Subject: Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012 >>> >>> Hi, >>> >>>> Thanks. I've essentially followed your suggestions. I hope that >>>> others will review the wiki at >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2012+Sept before >>>> it is moved to http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2012 on Wednesday. >>> >>> The report has been moved to the incubator wiki. Please let us know if >>> you think anything should be edited. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dave >>> >>> [ ... ]
Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012
Sorry, when I'm a bit late with this. Not that it makes a real difference. But in the March and June report it was named "OpenOffice (was OpenOffice.org)". Now it's again "OpenOffice.org". Furthermore, I don't like the formulation "We expect to graduate in the next quarter." Maybe it's because I'm not a native speaker but for me it sounds like too much demanding. A sentence like "We plan and work to fulfill graduation in the next quarter." fits much better. Of course, my 2 ct. Marcus Am 09/05/2012 11:01 PM, schrieb Kay Schenk: On 09/04/2012 09:04 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Minor correction: The proposal is at <http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012> down the list of reports in their alphabetical order. - Dennis yes, thanks for the correction Dennis and for forging ahead with this Dave. -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 20:50 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: orc...@apache.org Subject: Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012 Hi, Thanks. I've essentially followed your suggestions. I hope that others will review the wiki at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2012+Sept before it is moved to http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2012 on Wednesday. The report has been moved to the incubator wiki. Please let us know if you think anything should be edited. Regards, Dave [ ... ]
Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012
On 09/04/2012 09:04 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: Minor correction: The proposal is at <http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012> down the list of reports in their alphabetical order. - Dennis yes, thanks for the correction Dennis and for forging ahead with this Dave. -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 20:50 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: orc...@apache.org Subject: Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012 Hi, Thanks. I've essentially followed your suggestions. I hope that others will review the wiki at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2012+Sept before it is moved to http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2012 on Wednesday. The report has been moved to the incubator wiki. Please let us know if you think anything should be edited. Regards, Dave [ ... ] -- MzK "We never sit anything out. We are cups, constantly and quietly being filled. The trick is, knowing how to tip ourselves over and let the beautiful stuff out." -- Ray Bradbury, "Zen in the Art of Writing"
RE: board report for Sept. 20, 2012
Minor correction: The proposal is at <http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012> down the list of reports in their alphabetical order. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 20:50 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: orc...@apache.org Subject: Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012 Hi, > Thanks. I've essentially followed your suggestions. I hope that others will > review the wiki at > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2012+Sept before it is > moved to http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2012 on Wednesday. The report has been moved to the incubator wiki. Please let us know if you think anything should be edited. Regards, Dave [ ... ]
Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012
Hi, > Thanks. I've essentially followed your suggestions. I hope that others will > review the wiki at > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2012+Sept before it is > moved to http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2012 on Wednesday. The report has been moved to the incubator wiki. Please let us know if you think anything should be edited. Regards, Dave > > Regards, > Dave > > On Sep 3, 2012, at 7:07 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > >> Reviewing the June report I have this to offer for September: >> >> A. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT >> >> This says there were 13 new Committers/PPMC members and 2 committer/PPMC >> member resignations. I don't track resignations, and I think it is best to >> show the baseline (or resulting levels) of those changes. I am assuming >> that my June 5, 2012 Status was the basis for the numbers in the June 8 >> report to the IPMC and Board. >> >> Comparing that with the report from yesterday, I would say that >> >> "There are now 110 committers with 72 of those on the PPMC. Relative to the >> last report, that is an increase of 15 committers and a decrease of 3 >> committers on the PPMC (following an audit to reconcile subscribers to the >> ooo-private mailing list)." >> >> Now the numbers are grounded and the baseline here makes the derivation of >> details in a further report easy to substantiate. >> >> >> B. A DIFFERENT OVERSIGHT >> >> It is stunning that of all the matters that it might be thought the Board >> might need to be aware of (whether or not called to act on) the only one >> I've ever noticed is the June statement about leaks from the ooo-private >> list to "outside agencies". >> >> Along with that June issue, there is our promise to provide an update in the >> next report (this one in September 2012) or at least indicate that an update >> was provided separately. The current draft simply removes any evidence that >> this issue was raised. I suggest that there needs to be accountability and >> closure on our part. >> >> I paid little attention to that issue. I would suggest that the single leak >> was identified and the matter has been closed to the satisfaction of the >> PPMC. >> >> - Dennis >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] >> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 18:16 >> To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org >> Cc: OOo-dev Apache Incubator >> Subject: Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012 >> >> >> On Sep 3, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: >> >>> Dave, I don't know what the baseline was for the last report, so I have no >>> idea what the deltas are. Where is the previous report to the IPMC? >> >> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2012 >> >> It was written June 8. >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> >> >>> >>> - Dennis >>> >>> PS: I may have provided that previous data, but it was a while ago [;<). >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] >>> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 16:12 >>> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >>> Cc: dennis.hamil...@acm.org Hamilton >>> Subject: Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012 >>> >>> >>> On Sep 2, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 09/01/2012 11:26 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: >>>>> >>>>> On Sep 1, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Dave Fisher >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We are not a TLP the board report is to the IPMC and needs to be ready >>>>>>> much, much sooner than two days before the board meeting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We need to have this ready by a date like September 12. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh my! You are SO right...here is the message from June... >>>>>> >>>>>> http://markmail.org/message/7td2rgws7gnkoxo5 >>>>>> >>>>>> so, this will need to be ready like Sept 6th! WOW! That is very soon. >>>>> >>>>> The report page is ready at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012 >>>>> >>>>> Due on Wednesday S
Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012
Hi Dennis, Thanks. I've essentially followed your suggestions. I hope that others will review the wiki at https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2012+Sept before it is moved to http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2012 on Wednesday. Regards, Dave On Sep 3, 2012, at 7:07 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Reviewing the June report I have this to offer for September: > > A. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT > > This says there were 13 new Committers/PPMC members and 2 committer/PPMC > member resignations. I don't track resignations, and I think it is best to > show the baseline (or resulting levels) of those changes. I am assuming that > my June 5, 2012 Status was the basis for the numbers in the June 8 report to > the IPMC and Board. > > Comparing that with the report from yesterday, I would say that > > "There are now 110 committers with 72 of those on the PPMC. Relative to the > last report, that is an increase of 15 committers and a decrease of 3 > committers on the PPMC (following an audit to reconcile subscribers to the > ooo-private mailing list)." > > Now the numbers are grounded and the baseline here makes the derivation of > details in a further report easy to substantiate. > > > B. A DIFFERENT OVERSIGHT > > It is stunning that of all the matters that it might be thought the Board > might need to be aware of (whether or not called to act on) the only one I've > ever noticed is the June statement about leaks from the ooo-private list to > "outside agencies". > > Along with that June issue, there is our promise to provide an update in the > next report (this one in September 2012) or at least indicate that an update > was provided separately. The current draft simply removes any evidence that > this issue was raised. I suggest that there needs to be accountability and > closure on our part. > > I paid little attention to that issue. I would suggest that the single leak > was identified and the matter has been closed to the satisfaction of the PPMC. > > - Dennis > > -Original Message- > From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 18:16 > To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org > Cc: OOo-dev Apache Incubator > Subject: Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012 > > > On Sep 3, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > >> Dave, I don't know what the baseline was for the last report, so I have no >> idea what the deltas are. Where is the previous report to the IPMC? > > http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2012 > > It was written June 8. > > Regards, > Dave > > >> >> - Dennis >> >> PS: I may have provided that previous data, but it was a while ago [;<). >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] >> Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 16:12 >> To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org >> Cc: dennis.hamil...@acm.org Hamilton >> Subject: Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012 >> >> >> On Sep 2, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 09/01/2012 11:26 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: >>>> >>>> On Sep 1, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Dave Fisher >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> We are not a TLP the board report is to the IPMC and needs to be ready >>>>>> much, much sooner than two days before the board meeting. >>>>>> >>>>>> We need to have this ready by a date like September 12. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Oh my! You are SO right...here is the message from June... >>>>> >>>>> http://markmail.org/message/7td2rgws7gnkoxo5 >>>>> >>>>> so, this will need to be ready like Sept 6th! WOW! That is very soon. >>>> >>>> The report page is ready at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012 >>>> >>>> Due on Wednesday Sept. 5. >>>> >>>> I copied the June report and made some changes to >>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2012+Sept >>>> >>>> There is more to be done. Please feel free to edit. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Dave >>>> >>> >>> Thanks for getting this started, Dave. >>> >>> I made a few more changes...some facts need review and, of course, we could >>> always use more input... >> >> I made a additional c
RE: board report for Sept. 20, 2012
Reviewing the June report I have this to offer for September: A. COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT This says there were 13 new Committers/PPMC members and 2 committer/PPMC member resignations. I don't track resignations, and I think it is best to show the baseline (or resulting levels) of those changes. I am assuming that my June 5, 2012 Status was the basis for the numbers in the June 8 report to the IPMC and Board. Comparing that with the report from yesterday, I would say that "There are now 110 committers with 72 of those on the PPMC. Relative to the last report, that is an increase of 15 committers and a decrease of 3 committers on the PPMC (following an audit to reconcile subscribers to the ooo-private mailing list)." Now the numbers are grounded and the baseline here makes the derivation of details in a further report easy to substantiate. B. A DIFFERENT OVERSIGHT It is stunning that of all the matters that it might be thought the Board might need to be aware of (whether or not called to act on) the only one I've ever noticed is the June statement about leaks from the ooo-private list to "outside agencies". Along with that June issue, there is our promise to provide an update in the next report (this one in September 2012) or at least indicate that an update was provided separately. The current draft simply removes any evidence that this issue was raised. I suggest that there needs to be accountability and closure on our part. I paid little attention to that issue. I would suggest that the single leak was identified and the matter has been closed to the satisfaction of the PPMC. - Dennis -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 18:16 To: dennis.hamil...@acm.org Cc: OOo-dev Apache Incubator Subject: Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012 On Sep 3, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Dave, I don't know what the baseline was for the last report, so I have no > idea what the deltas are. Where is the previous report to the IPMC? http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2012 It was written June 8. Regards, Dave > > - Dennis > > PS: I may have provided that previous data, but it was a while ago [;<). > > -Original Message- > From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 16:12 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Cc: dennis.hamil...@acm.org Hamilton > Subject: Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012 > > > On Sep 2, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > >> >> >> On 09/01/2012 11:26 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: >>> >>> On Sep 1, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >>>> >>>>> We are not a TLP the board report is to the IPMC and needs to be ready >>>>> much, much sooner than two days before the board meeting. >>>>> >>>>> We need to have this ready by a date like September 12. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Oh my! You are SO right...here is the message from June... >>>> >>>> http://markmail.org/message/7td2rgws7gnkoxo5 >>>> >>>> so, this will need to be ready like Sept 6th! WOW! That is very soon. >>> >>> The report page is ready at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012 >>> >>> Due on Wednesday Sept. 5. >>> >>> I copied the June report and made some changes to >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2012+Sept >>> >>> There is more to be done. Please feel free to edit. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dave >>> >> >> Thanks for getting this started, Dave. >> >> I made a few more changes...some facts need review and, of course, we could >> always use more input... > > I made a additional changes as well. I think that the report is overly long > and we can lose the detail at the bottom. > > Dennis - would you confirm the PPMC change statement. > > Thanks, > Dave > >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> The IPMC will review the report. We should be discussing our graduation >>>>> plans. >>>>> >>>> >>>> absolutely! >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> The report will go here: >>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012when that page is created. >>>>> >>>>> With my IPMC hat, >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Thank you for the rather critical correction! >>>
Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012
On Sep 3, 2012, at 5:24 PM, Dennis E. Hamilton wrote: > Dave, I don't know what the baseline was for the last report, so I have no > idea what the deltas are. Where is the previous report to the IPMC? http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/June2012 It was written June 8. Regards, Dave > > - Dennis > > PS: I may have provided that previous data, but it was a while ago [;<). > > -Original Message- > From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] > Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 16:12 > To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org > Cc: dennis.hamil...@acm.org Hamilton > Subject: Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012 > > > On Sep 2, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > >> >> >> On 09/01/2012 11:26 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: >>> >>> On Sep 1, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: >>> >>>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >>>> >>>>> We are not a TLP the board report is to the IPMC and needs to be ready >>>>> much, much sooner than two days before the board meeting. >>>>> >>>>> We need to have this ready by a date like September 12. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Oh my! You are SO right...here is the message from June... >>>> >>>> http://markmail.org/message/7td2rgws7gnkoxo5 >>>> >>>> so, this will need to be ready like Sept 6th! WOW! That is very soon. >>> >>> The report page is ready at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012 >>> >>> Due on Wednesday Sept. 5. >>> >>> I copied the June report and made some changes to >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2012+Sept >>> >>> There is more to be done. Please feel free to edit. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dave >>> >> >> Thanks for getting this started, Dave. >> >> I made a few more changes...some facts need review and, of course, we could >> always use more input... > > I made a additional changes as well. I think that the report is overly long > and we can lose the detail at the bottom. > > Dennis - would you confirm the PPMC change statement. > > Thanks, > Dave > >> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> The IPMC will review the report. We should be discussing our graduation >>>>> plans. >>>>> >>>> >>>> absolutely! >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> The report will go here: >>>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012when that page is created. >>>>> >>>>> With my IPMC hat, >>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Thank you for the rather critical correction! >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> In June, we all worked together via e-mail on the Board report to >>>>> incubator, and I think most of us agreed that worked pretty well. But, I >>>>> thought we could find a better contribution mechanism rather than e-mail >>>>> and editing my one person. >>>>>> >>>>>> We have another quarterly report that will be due Sept 20. I've put a >>>>> new page (empty) on the Planning Wiki containing 2 child pages -- the June >>>>> report and an empty Sept placeholder. Hopefully, we can use the June >>>>> report >>>>> as a template and collectively contribute to the Sept report before its >>>>> due >>>>> date of Sept 18 (two days before the Board meeting). Please contribute as >>>>> you see fit. >>>>>> >>>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Board+Reports >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> MzK >>>>>> >>>>>> "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, >>>>>> butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, >>>>>> balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, >>>>>> take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, >>>>>> analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a >>>>>> tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. >>>>>> Specializa
RE: board report for Sept. 20, 2012
Dave, I don't know what the baseline was for the last report, so I have no idea what the deltas are. Where is the previous report to the IPMC? - Dennis PS: I may have provided that previous data, but it was a while ago [;<). -Original Message- From: Dave Fisher [mailto:dave2w...@comcast.net] Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012 16:12 To: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org Cc: dennis.hamil...@acm.org Hamilton Subject: Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012 On Sep 2, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > On 09/01/2012 11:26 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: >> >> On Sep 1, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >>> >>>> We are not a TLP the board report is to the IPMC and needs to be ready >>>> much, much sooner than two days before the board meeting. >>>> >>>> We need to have this ready by a date like September 12. >>>> >>> >>> Oh my! You are SO right...here is the message from June... >>> >>> http://markmail.org/message/7td2rgws7gnkoxo5 >>> >>> so, this will need to be ready like Sept 6th! WOW! That is very soon. >> >> The report page is ready at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012 >> >> Due on Wednesday Sept. 5. >> >> I copied the June report and made some changes to >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2012+Sept >> >> There is more to be done. Please feel free to edit. >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> > > Thanks for getting this started, Dave. > > I made a few more changes...some facts need review and, of course, we could > always use more input... I made a additional changes as well. I think that the report is overly long and we can lose the detail at the bottom. Dennis - would you confirm the PPMC change statement. Thanks, Dave > >>> >>> >>> >>>> The IPMC will review the report. We should be discussing our graduation >>>> plans. >>>> >>> >>> absolutely! >>> >>> >>>> >>>> The report will go here: >>>> http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012when that page is created. >>>> >>>> With my IPMC hat, >>>> Dave >>>> >>>> >>> Thank you for the rather critical correction! >>> >>>> >>>> On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: >>>> >>>>> In June, we all worked together via e-mail on the Board report to >>>> incubator, and I think most of us agreed that worked pretty well. But, I >>>> thought we could find a better contribution mechanism rather than e-mail >>>> and editing my one person. >>>>> >>>>> We have another quarterly report that will be due Sept 20. I've put a >>>> new page (empty) on the Planning Wiki containing 2 child pages -- the June >>>> report and an empty Sept placeholder. Hopefully, we can use the June report >>>> as a template and collectively contribute to the Sept report before its due >>>> date of Sept 18 (two days before the Board meeting). Please contribute as >>>> you see fit. >>>>> >>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Board+Reports >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> MzK >>>>> >>>>> "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, >>>>> butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, >>>>> balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, >>>>> take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, >>>>> analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a >>>>> tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. >>>>> Specialization is for insects." >>>>>-- Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love" >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> MzK >>> >>> "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, >>> butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, >>> balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, >>> take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, >>> analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a >>> tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. >>> Specialization is for insects." >>> -- Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love" >> > > -- > > MzK > > "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, > butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, > balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, > take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, > analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a > tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. > Specialization is for insects." > -- Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love"
Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012
On Sep 2, 2012, at 1:31 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > On 09/01/2012 11:26 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: >> >> On Sep 1, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: >> >>> On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: >>> We are not a TLP the board report is to the IPMC and needs to be ready much, much sooner than two days before the board meeting. We need to have this ready by a date like September 12. >>> >>> Oh my! You are SO right...here is the message from June... >>> >>> http://markmail.org/message/7td2rgws7gnkoxo5 >>> >>> so, this will need to be ready like Sept 6th! WOW! That is very soon. >> >> The report page is ready at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012 >> >> Due on Wednesday Sept. 5. >> >> I copied the June report and made some changes to >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2012+Sept >> >> There is more to be done. Please feel free to edit. >> >> Regards, >> Dave >> > > Thanks for getting this started, Dave. > > I made a few more changes...some facts need review and, of course, we could > always use more input... I made a additional changes as well. I think that the report is overly long and we can lose the detail at the bottom. Dennis - would you confirm the PPMC change statement. Thanks, Dave > >>> >>> >>> The IPMC will review the report. We should be discussing our graduation plans. >>> >>> absolutely! >>> >>> The report will go here: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012when that page is created. With my IPMC hat, Dave >>> Thank you for the rather critical correction! >>> On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > In June, we all worked together via e-mail on the Board report to incubator, and I think most of us agreed that worked pretty well. But, I thought we could find a better contribution mechanism rather than e-mail and editing my one person. > > We have another quarterly report that will be due Sept 20. I've put a new page (empty) on the Planning Wiki containing 2 child pages -- the June report and an empty Sept placeholder. Hopefully, we can use the June report as a template and collectively contribute to the Sept report before its due date of Sept 18 (two days before the Board meeting). Please contribute as you see fit. > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Board+Reports > -- > > MzK > > "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, > butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, > balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, > take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, > analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a > tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. > Specialization is for insects." >-- Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love" >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> MzK >>> >>> "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, >>> butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, >>> balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, >>> take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, >>> analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a >>> tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. >>> Specialization is for insects." >>> -- Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love" >> > > -- > > MzK > > "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, > butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, > balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, > take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, > analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a > tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. > Specialization is for insects." > -- Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love"
Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012
On 09/01/2012 11:26 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: On Sep 1, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: We are not a TLP the board report is to the IPMC and needs to be ready much, much sooner than two days before the board meeting. We need to have this ready by a date like September 12. Oh my! You are SO right...here is the message from June... http://markmail.org/message/7td2rgws7gnkoxo5 so, this will need to be ready like Sept 6th! WOW! That is very soon. The report page is ready at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012 Due on Wednesday Sept. 5. I copied the June report and made some changes to https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2012+Sept There is more to be done. Please feel free to edit. Regards, Dave Thanks for getting this started, Dave. I made a few more changes...some facts need review and, of course, we could always use more input... The IPMC will review the report. We should be discussing our graduation plans. absolutely! The report will go here: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012when that page is created. With my IPMC hat, Dave Thank you for the rather critical correction! On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: In June, we all worked together via e-mail on the Board report to incubator, and I think most of us agreed that worked pretty well. But, I thought we could find a better contribution mechanism rather than e-mail and editing my one person. We have another quarterly report that will be due Sept 20. I've put a new page (empty) on the Planning Wiki containing 2 child pages -- the June report and an empty Sept placeholder. Hopefully, we can use the June report as a template and collectively contribute to the Sept report before its due date of Sept 18 (two days before the Board meeting). Please contribute as you see fit. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Board+Reports -- MzK "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -- Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love" -- MzK "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -- Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love" -- MzK "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -- Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love"
Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012
On Sep 1, 2012, at 9:50 AM, Kay Schenk wrote: > On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > >> We are not a TLP the board report is to the IPMC and needs to be ready >> much, much sooner than two days before the board meeting. >> >> We need to have this ready by a date like September 12. >> > > Oh my! You are SO right...here is the message from June... > > http://markmail.org/message/7td2rgws7gnkoxo5 > > so, this will need to be ready like Sept 6th! WOW! That is very soon. The report page is ready at http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012 Due on Wednesday Sept. 5. I copied the June report and made some changes to https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/2012+Sept There is more to be done. Please feel free to edit. Regards, Dave > > > >> The IPMC will review the report. We should be discussing our graduation >> plans. >> > > absolutely! > > >> >> The report will go here: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012when >> that page is created. >> >> With my IPMC hat, >> Dave >> >> > Thank you for the rather critical correction! > >> >> On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: >> >>> In June, we all worked together via e-mail on the Board report to >> incubator, and I think most of us agreed that worked pretty well. But, I >> thought we could find a better contribution mechanism rather than e-mail >> and editing my one person. >>> >>> We have another quarterly report that will be due Sept 20. I've put a >> new page (empty) on the Planning Wiki containing 2 child pages -- the June >> report and an empty Sept placeholder. Hopefully, we can use the June report >> as a template and collectively contribute to the Sept report before its due >> date of Sept 18 (two days before the Board meeting). Please contribute as >> you see fit. >>> >>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Board+Reports >>> -- >>> >>> MzK >>> >>> "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, >>> butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, >>> balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, >>> take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, >>> analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a >>> tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. >>> Specialization is for insects." >>>-- Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love" >> >> > > > -- > > MzK > > "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, > butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, > balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, > take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, > analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a > tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. > Specialization is for insects." > -- Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love"
Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 6:07 AM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > > On Aug 31, 2012, at 5:48 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > > > We are not a TLP the board report is to the IPMC and needs to be ready > much, much sooner than two days before the board meeting. > > > > We need to have this ready by a date like September 12. > > Actually the due date is September 5. Thanks Kay for starting the process. > > Regards, > Dave > > > > > > The IPMC will review the report. We should be discussing our graduation > plans. > > > > The report will go here: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012when > > that page is created. > > > > With my IPMC hat, > > Dave > > > > > > On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > >> In June, we all worked together via e-mail on the Board report to > incubator, and I think most of us agreed that worked pretty well. But, I > thought we could find a better contribution mechanism rather than e-mail > and editing my one person. > >> > >> We have another quarterly report that will be due Sept 20. I've put a > new page (empty) on the Planning Wiki containing 2 child pages -- the June > report and an empty Sept placeholder. Hopefully, we can use the June report > as a template and collectively contribute to the Sept report before its due > date of Sept 18 (two days before the Board meeting). Please contribute as > you see fit. > >> > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Board+Reports > >> -- > >> > >> MzK > >> > >> "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, > >> butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, > >> balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, > >> take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, > >> analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a > >> tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. > >> Specialization is for insects." > >>-- Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love" > > > > -- MzK "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -- Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love"
Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012
On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 5:48 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > We are not a TLP the board report is to the IPMC and needs to be ready > much, much sooner than two days before the board meeting. > > We need to have this ready by a date like September 12. > Oh my! You are SO right...here is the message from June... http://markmail.org/message/7td2rgws7gnkoxo5 so, this will need to be ready like Sept 6th! WOW! That is very soon. > The IPMC will review the report. We should be discussing our graduation > plans. > absolutely! > > The report will go here: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012when > that page is created. > > With my IPMC hat, > Dave > > Thank you for the rather critical correction! > > On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > > > In June, we all worked together via e-mail on the Board report to > incubator, and I think most of us agreed that worked pretty well. But, I > thought we could find a better contribution mechanism rather than e-mail > and editing my one person. > > > > We have another quarterly report that will be due Sept 20. I've put a > new page (empty) on the Planning Wiki containing 2 child pages -- the June > report and an empty Sept placeholder. Hopefully, we can use the June report > as a template and collectively contribute to the Sept report before its due > date of Sept 18 (two days before the Board meeting). Please contribute as > you see fit. > > > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Board+Reports > > -- > > > > MzK > > > > "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, > > butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, > > balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, > > take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, > > analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a > > tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. > > Specialization is for insects." > > -- Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love" > > -- MzK "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -- Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love"
Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012
On Aug 31, 2012, at 5:48 PM, Dave Fisher wrote: > We are not a TLP the board report is to the IPMC and needs to be ready much, > much sooner than two days before the board meeting. > > We need to have this ready by a date like September 12. Actually the due date is September 5. Thanks Kay for starting the process. Regards, Dave > > The IPMC will review the report. We should be discussing our graduation plans. > > The report will go here: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012 when > that page is created. > > With my IPMC hat, > Dave > > > On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > >> In June, we all worked together via e-mail on the Board report to incubator, >> and I think most of us agreed that worked pretty well. But, I thought we >> could find a better contribution mechanism rather than e-mail and editing my >> one person. >> >> We have another quarterly report that will be due Sept 20. I've put a new >> page (empty) on the Planning Wiki containing 2 child pages -- the June >> report and an empty Sept placeholder. Hopefully, we can use the June report >> as a template and collectively contribute to the Sept report before its due >> date of Sept 18 (two days before the Board meeting). Please contribute as >> you see fit. >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Board+Reports >> -- >> >> MzK >> >> "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, >> butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, >> balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, >> take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, >> analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a >> tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. >> Specialization is for insects." >>-- Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love" >
Re: board report for Sept. 20, 2012
We are not a TLP the board report is to the IPMC and needs to be ready much, much sooner than two days before the board meeting. We need to have this ready by a date like September 12. The IPMC will review the report. We should be discussing our graduation plans. The report will go here: http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/September2012 when that page is created. With my IPMC hat, Dave On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:53 PM, Kay Schenk wrote: > In June, we all worked together via e-mail on the Board report to incubator, > and I think most of us agreed that worked pretty well. But, I thought we > could find a better contribution mechanism rather than e-mail and editing my > one person. > > We have another quarterly report that will be due Sept 20. I've put a new > page (empty) on the Planning Wiki containing 2 child pages -- the June report > and an empty Sept placeholder. Hopefully, we can use the June report as a > template and collectively contribute to the Sept report before its due date > of Sept 18 (two days before the Board meeting). Please contribute as you see > fit. > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Board+Reports > -- > > MzK > > "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, > butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, > balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, > take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, > analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a > tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. > Specialization is for insects." > -- Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love"
board report for Sept. 20, 2012
In June, we all worked together via e-mail on the Board report to incubator, and I think most of us agreed that worked pretty well. But, I thought we could find a better contribution mechanism rather than e-mail and editing my one person. We have another quarterly report that will be due Sept 20. I've put a new page (empty) on the Planning Wiki containing 2 child pages -- the June report and an empty Sept placeholder. Hopefully, we can use the June report as a template and collectively contribute to the Sept report before its due date of Sept 18 (two days before the Board meeting). Please contribute as you see fit. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Board+Reports -- MzK "A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects." -- Robert Heinlein, "Time Enough For Love"
