MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

[Bert Verhees]

On 25-10-14 13:58, Thomas Beale wrote:
> On 24/10/2014 19:17, Bert Verhees wrote:
>> OpenEHR is not a standard, it is a formal specification.
>>
>> http://www.iso.org/iso/home/standards.htm
>> ISO, What is a standard:
>>
>> "A standard is a document that provides requirements, specifications, 
>> guidelines or characteristics that can be used consistently to ensure 
>> that materials, products, processes and services are fit for their 
>> purpose."
>
> This is such a fun topic I wrote a blog post 
> <http://wolandscat.net/2014/10/25/what-is-a-standard-legislation-or-utilisation/>
>  
> on it :)
>
> - thomas
>
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I replied following to it:

Thomas, you write: ?They still publish documents, not computable 
artefacts, standards have no maintenance team, no issue reporting 
capability and no update release strategy.?

This not true, at least not at ECMA and ISO.

1) Example in the standard for Microsoft OOXML are XML Schema?s (XSD) 
included. So they deliver computable artefacts.

2) They do not only publish standards, but organize international 
teamsmeetings of people which create/edit the standards. A standard in a 
specific version is stable, it cannot change, it would be unusable if it 
was not stable.

3) Maintenance, ISO standards can get updated, there are even fasttracks 
, so not the complete standard has to be talked through. An update, of 
course, gets a distinguishable version/name/id.

What you write about OpenEHR doing much better as a defacto standard is 
not fully correct.

Example: I am missing some computable artefacts. For example, we have 
waited five years before the RM-XSD was published in a correct way, and 
still there are some inconveniences in it. There were errors in that 
XSD, I emailed about it years ago. Now it has been revised, but not 
fully, there are still errors I reported in 2009.
It is also not optimal. For example by using xs:sequence instead of 
xs:choice, and so enforcing a useless sequence of properties. There are 
some more issues, I do not want to discuss them now.

Also, the XSD for OET is still not published, and it is used in software 
and by developers. How long are we using templates by now? 10 years?

OpenEHR seems to be in some parts a moving target. A quality-institute 
as ISO would not allow this. There are some quality-requirements used by 
ISO. The standard is not only created by the designers (stakeholders), 
but by worldwide teams and it becomes accepted by vote of the voting 
members of ISO.

I would welcome if OpenEHR would become a standard, not only because 
many governments do not invest in non-standards, but also for the 
quality requirements standardization-bodies pose and for having 
worldwide non-stakeholding teams looking at it. I think this is important.

Bert


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MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials

[Bakke, Silje Ljosland]

I've added myself and a topic on artefact governance to the main MEDINFO2015 
wiki page. I guess this topic belongs more in a tutorial than in a developers' 
workshop.  My participation is however dependent on my employer allowing me to 
attend the conference, which isn't clear yet.

Kind regards,
Silje Ljosland Bakke
Coordinator, National Editorial Board for Archetypes, National ICT Norway
Adviser, R&D dept, E-health section, Bergen Hospital Trust
Tel. +47 40203298

> -Original Message-
> From: openEHR-technical [mailto:openehr-technical-
> bounces at lists.openehr.org] On Behalf Of Shinji KOBAYASHI
> Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2014 3:57 PM
> To: For openEHR technical discussions
> Cc: openehr implementers; openEHR Clinical
> Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> 
> Dear colleagues,
> 
> I updated Wiki description about MEDINFO 2015 and made the developers'
> workshop 2015 page.
> http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2015
> 
> Could you all please take a look and add comments or describe your plan?
> 
> 
> Shinji KOBAYASHI
> 
> 2014-08-05 10:22 GMT+09:00 pablo pazos :
> > Of course! I should have think of Jussara before. I'll talk with her
> > and her fellow openEHR.br colleagues to see if we can get this organized.
> >
> > BTW, just to start the coordination I would like to do a workshop
> > focused on openEHR data store and query. And if there's interest,
> > another one focused on UI: generation, manipulation, processing,
> > models, etc. (we're presenting a paper on this topic at the InfoLac
> congress, this year is in Uruguay!
> > lucky me: http://infolac2014.org/index.php/en/)
> >
> > --
> > Kind regards,
> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> > http://cabolabs.com
> >
> > 
> > From: sam.heard at oceaninformatics.com
> > To: openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org;
> > openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org
> > Subject: Re: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> > Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2014 08:30:32 +
> > CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
> >
> >
> > Hi Pablo
> >
> > I wonder if Jusara could organise a submeeting in an academic/industry
> > forum prior to MedInfo?
> >
> > Cheers Sam
> >
> > Sent from Windows Mail
> >
> > From: pablo pazos
> > Sent: ?Saturday?, ?2? ?August? ?2014 ?9?:?06? ?AM
> > To: For openEHR clinical discussions, For openEHR technical
> > discussions
> > Cc: For openEHR implementation discussions
> >
> > Thanks for the info Heather!
> >
> > I think we should do something similar to the previous workshops for
> > devs, something simple to get newcomers to understand how to work with
> > archetypes in software (parsing, processing, validating data,
> > extracting paths, etc), and more specific topics for skilled openEHR
> > devs (persistence options, REST APIs, querying, reporting, UI generation,
> ...).
> >
> > I would love to see a hands-on tutorial in which we can program live
> > and help newcomers to pass the first barrier in openEHR software
> development:
> > lose the fear of archetypes.
> >
> > Also I would like to know how we want to present this, should we
> > submit the proposals individualy and then organize or should we
> > coordinate and make one proposal with all the workshops/tutorials?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Kind regards,
> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> > http://cabolabs.com
> >
> > 
> > From: heather.leslie at oceaninformatics.com
> > To: openehr-technical at lists.openehr.org;
> > openehr-clinical at lists.openehr.org
> > Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> > Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 01:54:59 +
> > CC: openehr-implementers at lists.openehr.org
> >
> > Hi Pablo,
> >
> >
> >
> > We have kept info on Conferences in the wiki:
> > http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/Conferences
> >
> >
> >
> > See Medinfo 2013:
> > http://www.openehr.org/wiki/display/resources/MEDINFO+2013+-
> +Copenhagen,+Denmark.
> > 2 half day sessions were held then ? one clinical modelling focussed
> > and the other technical
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> >
> > Heather
> >
> >
> >
> > From: openEHR-technical
> > [mailto:openehr-technical-bounces at lists.openehr.org]
> > On Behalf Of pablo pazos
> > Sent: Friday, 1 August 2014 12:14 AM
> > To: openeh technical; openEHR Clinical
> > Cc: openehr implementers
> > Subject: RE: MedInfo 2015 openEHR tutorials
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Shinji!
> >
> >
> >
> > By chance, do you have the agendas of the previous openEHR developer's
> > workshops?
> >
> >
> >
> > It would be nice to see what has been done, do a little bit of
> > introduction workshops for beginners and do some new cool stuff for
> skilled openEHR devs.
> >
> >
> >
> > BTW, maybe a good place to coordinate and share info about ideas would
> > be the openEHR wiki.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Kind regards,
> > Eng. Pablo Pazos Guti?rrez
> > http://cabolabs.com
> >
> > 
> >
> > From: skoba at moss.gr.jp
> > Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2014 10: