Re: [ozmidwifery] Taylorism
Coffee sounds great!! When is the next homebirth conference? Sally x Heartlogic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Sally, thanks to you and the others for your kind words. We all ought to > get together for coffee > (or Caro or Green Tea :-) > > Perhaps the next homebirth conference?? > > Of course you can forward this and anything else I write to whoever you > wish. > > As for Taylorism, Frederick Winslow Taylor was the 'father' of scientific > management, very centered on industrial 'efficiency' and his work was used > in time and motion studies. Lenin loved his ideas and you can see what > happened in the USSR as a result. > > His ideas have found their way into many aspects of human life, including > the birth place. > > If you have the internet, you can google 'taylorism' and you can read as > much as you like about him and his work. > > Happy New Year, > > love, Carolyn > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Sally @ home" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:37 PM > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] What happened with this birth? > > > > Carolyn, > > You are amazing...after being completely denigrated by the medicos and > > some of my colleagues for believing that women DO NOT need V'E's every 4 > > hours to assess progress of labour, what you have written is a breath of > > fresh air, with your permission I would like to forward your previous > > email to my colleagues, to make those who practice obsteric nursing aware > > and to support those who truly work with women. > > > > Have you got some info on Taylorism, I would like saome background on it. > > Thanks heaps. > > > > regards > > > > Sally > > - Original Message - > > From: "Gail McKenzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 5:07 PM > > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] What happened with this birth? > > > > > >> WOW!!! Thank you thank you thank you. Carolyn, that was just > >> what I needed. Are you going to the homebirth conference this year? If > >> so, I would dearly love to catch up with you & everyone else who > >> contributes to the ozmidwifery site. maybe we can wear a flower or > >> something so we recognise each other. > >> > >> Much love and admiration, Gail > >> > >> > >>>From: "Heartlogic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au > >>>To: > >>>Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] What happened with this birth? > >>>Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:24:40 +1100 > >>> > >>>Dear Gail, > >>> > >>>Firstly, your instincts are spot on. > >>> > >>>This is a very distressing story. It is not a coincidence that these > >>>women's labours stalled following his VE's, that is absolutely to be > >>>expected and is the result of a mindless disruption of the women's > >>>optimal state of neurophyiological functioning. Taylorism, that is an > >>>industrial, efficiency management model, has no place in the dynamic > >>>fluid process of birth, sadly it has become merged into the 'health' care > >>>system with this sort of unconscious abuse becoming more common. > >>> > >>>'Discussions' with the doctors at that stage will do nothing except breed > >>>resistence and further intervention; in mindless individuals it can even > >>>result in payback situations where intervention will be done just because > >>>you are the midwife. The right to rule is still endemic in the maternity > >>>services. > >>> > >>>the first thing to understand is that these people really believe they > >>>are doing the right thing. > >>>the second thing to understand is that they are taught all about the > >>>abnormalities of birth, they have absolutely no idea about normal > >>>physiology as applied to birth (gross generalisation, I know) > >>>the third thing is that they are terrified of birth > >>>the fourth thing is that they are taught throughout medical school that > >>>they are the boss of everything and the government and health departments > >>>agree and structure everything (I know, there are exceptions) to > >>>reinforce that idea > >>>the fifth and probably MOST important thing is that they do get taught > >>>about 'patient' autonomy and the need for consent. > >>> > >>>So, here is where it gets interesting and where our opportunity lies. > >>> > >>>It is vitally important that you use every moment with birthing women to > >>>help them understand the situation, without making it combatative and > >>>engendering a siege mentality and ask them what they want to have happen, > >>>how they would like things to go, so they can say what they want - be > >>>left alone, checked in another hour a few more hours, more time, a bath, > >>>move freely, have the baby listened to by doppler in the shower/bath etc > >>>if women have the information that can help them with the deeply damaging > >>>throw away lines that get trotted out like 'stillbirth' 'brain damage' > >>>etc, then women can say what they want and we as midwive
[ozmidwifery] Taylorism
Hi Sally, thanks to you and the others for your kind words. We all ought to get together for coffee (or Caro or Green Tea :-) Perhaps the next homebirth conference?? Of course you can forward this and anything else I write to whoever you wish. As for Taylorism, Frederick Winslow Taylor was the 'father' of scientific management, very centered on industrial 'efficiency' and his work was used in time and motion studies. Lenin loved his ideas and you can see what happened in the USSR as a result. His ideas have found their way into many aspects of human life, including the birth place. If you have the internet, you can google 'taylorism' and you can read as much as you like about him and his work. Happy New Year, love, Carolyn - Original Message - From: "Sally @ home" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] What happened with this birth? Carolyn, You are amazing...after being completely denigrated by the medicos and some of my colleagues for believing that women DO NOT need V'E's every 4 hours to assess progress of labour, what you have written is a breath of fresh air, with your permission I would like to forward your previous email to my colleagues, to make those who practice obsteric nursing aware and to support those who truly work with women. Have you got some info on Taylorism, I would like saome background on it. Thanks heaps. regards Sally - Original Message - From: "Gail McKenzie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] What happened with this birth? WOW!!! Thank you thank you thank you. Carolyn, that was just what I needed. Are you going to the homebirth conference this year? If so, I would dearly love to catch up with you & everyone else who contributes to the ozmidwifery site. maybe we can wear a flower or something so we recognise each other. Much love and admiration, Gail From: "Heartlogic" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] What happened with this birth? Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:24:40 +1100 Dear Gail, Firstly, your instincts are spot on. This is a very distressing story. It is not a coincidence that these women's labours stalled following his VE's, that is absolutely to be expected and is the result of a mindless disruption of the women's optimal state of neurophyiological functioning. Taylorism, that is an industrial, efficiency management model, has no place in the dynamic fluid process of birth, sadly it has become merged into the 'health' care system with this sort of unconscious abuse becoming more common. 'Discussions' with the doctors at that stage will do nothing except breed resistence and further intervention; in mindless individuals it can even result in payback situations where intervention will be done just because you are the midwife. The right to rule is still endemic in the maternity services. the first thing to understand is that these people really believe they are doing the right thing. the second thing to understand is that they are taught all about the abnormalities of birth, they have absolutely no idea about normal physiology as applied to birth (gross generalisation, I know) the third thing is that they are terrified of birth the fourth thing is that they are taught throughout medical school that they are the boss of everything and the government and health departments agree and structure everything (I know, there are exceptions) to reinforce that idea the fifth and probably MOST important thing is that they do get taught about 'patient' autonomy and the need for consent. So, here is where it gets interesting and where our opportunity lies. It is vitally important that you use every moment with birthing women to help them understand the situation, without making it combatative and engendering a siege mentality and ask them what they want to have happen, how they would like things to go, so they can say what they want - be left alone, checked in another hour a few more hours, more time, a bath, move freely, have the baby listened to by doppler in the shower/bath etc if women have the information that can help them with the deeply damaging throw away lines that get trotted out like 'stillbirth' 'brain damage' etc, then women can say what they want and we as midwives can support them in that and remember to DOCUMENT what women want. To do things against rational people's will is abuse. To argue about medical intervention with midwives is a nuisance and an affront to power beliefs. Getting strategic is important. Learning tactical support of birthing women is a midwifery art form and a very challenging one. It is crucial that you avoid blame, judgement and criticism as these emotional states are damaging for everyone and lead to despair. It is useful to come from the poin