Re: [PD] Indexed array selection
Hi Fred, The list-abs library has an object [list-idx] which might be useful. It's pretty easy to use. Kind regards, Lorenzo. Fred Smith wrote: Hello Folks - I know there must be an easy way to do this, but I'm having terrible trouble figuring it out. Is there an easy way to use a integer input to send a message out of an array of messages? Ideally, it would look like this: [bang] | [2] | [newcommand apple beats carrots cheeseburger] | [print] and the output would be carrots (given 0 based indexing). Does this command already exist? (Oh, and I'm pushing this into a GEM text object, so the screen would say carrots in some way). I apologize if this is obvious, my head might be fatigued. select and route take a value but split it into a bunch of different directions. I want to go the other way Thanks for the time if anyone has a suggestion!!! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] vanilla [serial] object on Windows
Does anyone ever using the [serial] object in Windows that is in Pd- vanilla? Its currently implemented in Tcl so I am wondering what to do with it in the new GUI. .hc Computer science is no more related to the computer than astronomy is related to the telescope. -Edsger Dykstra ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pack object resolution issue
I think I get it: the last controller value to be stored in pack (thru the rightmost inlet) was not beeing triggered by anything hitting the leftmost inlet... as a result, I could never get the extreme values. Typical Pd programming mistake! I corrected this and now, it works fine. Thanks for your help. D.S From: David Schaffer Sent: Saturday, October 10, 2009 4:56 PM To: pd list Subject: [PD] pack object resolution issue Hello there, something strange happens to me when routing ctlin signals thru a pack object and then unpacking the result afterwards: my midi values seem less precise. I noticed it when using extreme values (either 0 or 127): it gets me somewhere between 0 and 18 or between 118 and 127. As a consequence, similar midi fader positions give me slightly different values, which is annoying (ctlin's direct output works fine and always gives me the same results). Has someone else been thru this before? Thank you! D.S http://www.flickr.com/photos/schafferdavid/ http://audioblog.arteradio.com/David_Schaffer/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] making a perceptual spectrum analyzer
how to make a perceptual spectrum analyzer? the magnitude output of rfft~ seems to need some tweaking, like: 1) correcting amplitude of bins 2) spacing the bins from equally linearly spaced to equally logarithmic spaced (for outputting a set of frequencies like: 62 125 250 500 1000 2000 4000 8000 16000) does anyone already did it? in part 2), apart I don't know how to do it, I'm not sure if I need to sum up all the bins belonging to a frequency band, or to average them ...? ~ signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Turning non-audio data feeds into audio
Hi list! Is anyone interested in sharing their process for turning real-time, non-audio data feeds, into music? See a great example of one possible direction, here. http://vimeo.com/5415629 -- Regards, Jerome Covington . . . . : . . . . : define audio development ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] making a perceptual spectrum analyzer
have a look if you can find some constant Q filter analyser or bar filters, it can be a good starting point. hope that helps loic On 11 oct. 09, at 21:26, mescali...@gmail.com wrote: how to make a perceptual spectrum analyzer? the magnitude output of rfft~ seems to need some tweaking, like: 1) correcting amplitude of bins 2) spacing the bins from equally linearly spaced to equally logarithmic spaced (for outputting a set of frequencies like: 62 125 250 500 1000 2000 4000 8000 16000) does anyone already did it? in part 2), apart I don't know how to do it, I'm not sure if I need to sum up all the bins belonging to a frequency band, or to average them ...? ~ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Turning non-audio data feeds into audio
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009, Jerome Covington wrote: Is anyone interested in sharing their process for turning real-time, non-audio data feeds, into music? See a great example of one possible direction, here. Coïncidentally, I wrote some thoughts about it in the Pd chatroom a few hours before your email, because of a similar topic there: « musical meaningfulness comes from meaningfulness of the data beforehand... basically, if you put garbage in, you get garbage out. the exception to that is that a programme is a kind of data in itself, so the programme can be considered a kind of meaningful input... and if the programme imposes itself as the source of the meaning and successfully downplays the incoming garbage, it can make the output meaningful; but unless one is very skilled at understanding the information theory standpoint of music, using random values gives you just more meaningless music like what you are talking about... sort of like picking a random book from the library of babel. » http://vimeo.com/5415629 now this is what I add to my above thoughts, this time in relationship to the video: without necessarily explicitly thinking about information theory, one can get to interesting results intuitively... one essentially has to focus on getting beautiful results for likely inputs instead of being content with whatever fits with the description of a certain art concept. Any former stock-market music I had listened to sounded like crap. What Patrick did was to make his programme insert so much beauty and coherence in the market's noise, that it made it sound meaningful... actually, it's more like this: the programme can only output music that sounds reasonably good no matter the input, and the meaningless input selects one of the possible nice-sounding outputs. Overall, the music is more shaped by Patrick's æsthetic decisions than by the stock market, and it's perfect like that. so, Jérôme, I would mostly just suggest that you make patches so that the results sound fairly good no matter the input you give them, and optionally, if you can make the input also recognisable in the output, it's a bonus feature that can feel very rewarding, but it depends on the context... for feeding stockmarket data it may not matter as much, but for live interactive data from performers or visitors, they have to recognise their own impact on the music, else the point is going to be lost on them, really. but even for stockmarket data, it's better if you can recognise the stock price in the music, because if you can't, you could have taken that data from anywhere else and it wouldn't matter, so why would you call it stockmarket music then?... so maybe you wanted people to explain their actual processes, but I hope that you will also enjoy this reflexion on the question of what might make processes be good or not. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] making a perceptual spectrum analyzer
well in other words, but you probably understood you can use a filter bank and measure energy of each filter outputs using env~ maybe someone already did it...I don't know, else there are 24 bark bands, here you can find explanation: https://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jos/bbt/Bark_Frequency_Scale.html loic --- have a look if you can find some constant Q filter analyser or bar filters, it can be a good starting point. hope that helps loic On 11 oct. 09, at 21:26, mescali...@gmail.com wrote: how to make a perceptual spectrum analyzer? the magnitude output of rfft~ seems to need some tweaking, like: 1) correcting amplitude of bins 2) spacing the bins from equally linearly spaced to equally logarithmic spaced (for outputting a set of frequencies like: 62 125 250 500 1000 2000 4000 8000 16000) does anyone already did it? in part 2), apart I don't know how to do it, I'm not sure if I need to sum up all the bins belonging to a frequency band, or to average them ...? ~ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] gem alpha channel q
how does one invert an alpha channel in gem ? i've created an alpha channel from the rgb channels, but need the channel to be inverted. somehow i can't seem to find a way to do this... hope it is just sleep deprivation and i'm simply overlooking the obvious... :) thanks in advance, rene ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gem alpha channel q
Maybe you can convert alpha to a color, then invert the colors, then convert back to alpha. .hc On Oct 11, 2009, at 6:42 PM, rene beekman wrote: how does one invert an alpha channel in gem ? i've created an alpha channel from the rgb channels, but need the channel to be inverted. somehow i can't seem to find a way to do this... hope it is just sleep deprivation and i'm simply overlooking the obvious... :) thanks in advance, rene ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list As we enjoy great advantages from inventions of others, we should be glad of an opportunity to serve others by any invention of ours; and this we should do freely and generously. - Benjamin Franklin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Turning non-audio data feeds into audio
Excellent, Mathieu. I have a lifetime of experience in music to inform the aesthetics well. Now I just need more on the how, and to that extent I am very interested in process within this community. -- Regards, Jerome Covington . . . . : . . . . : define audio development On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 3:05 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.cawrote: On Sun, 11 Oct 2009, Jerome Covington wrote: Is anyone interested in sharing their process for turning real-time, non-audio data feeds, into music? See a great example of one possible direction, here. Coïncidentally, I wrote some thoughts about it in the Pd chatroom a few hours before your email, because of a similar topic there: « musical meaningfulness comes from meaningfulness of the data beforehand... basically, if you put garbage in, you get garbage out. the exception to that is that a programme is a kind of data in itself, so the programme can be considered a kind of meaningful input... and if the programme imposes itself as the source of the meaning and successfully downplays the incoming garbage, it can make the output meaningful; but unless one is very skilled at understanding the information theory standpoint of music, using random values gives you just more meaningless music like what you are talking about... sort of like picking a random book from the library of babel. » http://vimeo.com/5415629 now this is what I add to my above thoughts, this time in relationship to the video: without necessarily explicitly thinking about information theory, one can get to interesting results intuitively... one essentially has to focus on getting beautiful results for likely inputs instead of being content with whatever fits with the description of a certain art concept. Any former stock-market music I had listened to sounded like crap. What Patrick did was to make his programme insert so much beauty and coherence in the market's noise, that it made it sound meaningful... actually, it's more like this: the programme can only output music that sounds reasonably good no matter the input, and the meaningless input selects one of the possible nice-sounding outputs. Overall, the music is more shaped by Patrick's æsthetic decisions than by the stock market, and it's perfect like that. so, Jérôme, I would mostly just suggest that you make patches so that the results sound fairly good no matter the input you give them, and optionally, if you can make the input also recognisable in the output, it's a bonus feature that can feel very rewarding, but it depends on the context... for feeding stockmarket data it may not matter as much, but for live interactive data from performers or visitors, they have to recognise their own impact on the music, else the point is going to be lost on them, really. but even for stockmarket data, it's better if you can recognise the stock price in the music, because if you can't, you could have taken that data from anywhere else and it wouldn't matter, so why would you call it stockmarket music then?... so maybe you wanted people to explain their actual processes, but I hope that you will also enjoy this reflexion on the question of what might make processes be good or not. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801 ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
