Re: [PD] [shell] on OSX...

2007-10-18 Thread Derek Holzer
Very cool, thanks to you both!

d.

Roman Haefeli wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 19:15 +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
>> Derek Holzer wrote:
>>> Hi IOhannes,
>>>
>>> IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
>>>
 what you are sending to [shell] basically _is_ a shellscript...
>>> Ah, OK, now I see. I've been doing it the way you suggested, and as I 
>>> reported it's painfully slow. Several degrees of ten times slower than 
>>> the same commandline entered into an open terminal. Or even that opening 
>>> a new terminal and then entering the command. I thought maybe there 
>>> would be a way to make it faster.
>> #!/bin/bash
>> netreceive  udp | while read line
> 
> pdreceive  udp | while read line # there is no 'netreceive' command
> 
>> do
>>  mkdir -p $(echo ${line} | sed -e 's|;$||')
>> done
>>
>> [symbol\
>> |
>> [send /home/derek/test_$1(
>> |
>> [netsend 1]
> 
> yeah, nice example of a server. thanks
> 
> roman
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [PD] [shell] on OSX...

2007-10-18 Thread Roman Haefeli
On Thu, 2007-10-18 at 19:15 +0200, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
> Derek Holzer wrote:
> > Hi IOhannes,
> > 
> > IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
> > 
> >> what you are sending to [shell] basically _is_ a shellscript...
> > 
> > Ah, OK, now I see. I've been doing it the way you suggested, and as I 
> > reported it's painfully slow. Several degrees of ten times slower than 
> > the same commandline entered into an open terminal. Or even that opening 
> > a new terminal and then entering the command. I thought maybe there 
> > would be a way to make it faster.
> 
> #!/bin/bash
> netreceive  udp | while read line

pdreceive  udp | while read line # there is no 'netreceive' command

> do
>  mkdir -p $(echo ${line} | sed -e 's|;$||')
> done
> 
> [symbol\
> |
> [send /home/derek/test_$1(
> |
> [netsend 1]

yeah, nice example of a server. thanks

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Re: [PD] [shell] on OSX...

2007-10-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Derek Holzer wrote:
> Hi IOhannes,
> 
> IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
> 
>> what you are sending to [shell] basically _is_ a shellscript...
> 
> Ah, OK, now I see. I've been doing it the way you suggested, and as I 
> reported it's painfully slow. Several degrees of ten times slower than 
> the same commandline entered into an open terminal. Or even that opening 
> a new terminal and then entering the command. I thought maybe there 
> would be a way to make it faster.

#!/bin/bash
netreceive  udp | while read line
do
 mkdir -p $(echo ${line} | sed -e 's|;$||')
done

[symbol\
|
[send /home/derek/test_$1(
|
[netsend 1]


> 
>> if it get's more complicated just do it like this
>>
>> #!/bin/sh
>> cd /home/derek
>> mkdir test_$1
>>
>> and call your script with [/path/to/myscript.sh $1( 
> 
> So simple bash scripts can use $1 as well? That was what I was unsure 
> about. I thought there was other syntax to introduce variables into them 
> that I *didn't* know.

it's the other way round: pd can use $1 as well, just like other
languages, including bash.
and what's more, $0 has a more logical meaning in bash...


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Re: [PD] [shell] on OSX...

2007-10-18 Thread Derek Holzer
Hi IOhannes,

IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:

> what you are sending to [shell] basically _is_ a shellscript...

Ah, OK, now I see. I've been doing it the way you suggested, and as I 
reported it's painfully slow. Several degrees of ten times slower than 
the same commandline entered into an open terminal. Or even that opening 
a new terminal and then entering the command. I thought maybe there 
would be a way to make it faster.

> if it get's more complicated just do it like this
> 
> #!/bin/sh
> cd /home/derek
> mkdir test_$1
> 
> and call your script with [/path/to/myscript.sh $1( 

So simple bash scripts can use $1 as well? That was what I was unsure 
about. I thought there was other syntax to introduce variables into them 
that I *didn't* know.

best,
d.

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Re: [PD] [shell] on OSX...

2007-10-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Derek Holzer wrote:
> I'm not so good at shell scripts, so bear with me for a second

oh, and i forgot:
what you are sending to [shell] basically _is_ a shellscript...


so you basically know enough to write one that is just as simple as you 
require it.

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Re: [PD] [shell] on OSX...

2007-10-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Derek Holzer wrote:
> Hi IOhannes,
> 
> thanks for the clarifications. I understand now why [shell] doesn't stay 
> in "/home/derek" between commands.
> 
> I'm not so good at shell scripts, so bear with me for a second
> 
> What I'd like to do is pass variables so, for example:
> 
> cd /home/derek && mkdir test_$1

in this complicated example i would suggest to run
"mkdir /home/derek/test_$1" :-)

> 
> --where $1 is a number created by PD and sent to the shell script. The 
> dir name could be constructed by [nsprint], for example, as it may have 
> other variable as well. The shell script would only need a single 
> variable to receive the constructed dir name.
> 
> Does that make sense? Is this easy to do?
> 

if it get's more complicated just do it like this

#!/bin/sh
cd /home/derek
mkdir test_$1

and call your script with [/path/to/myscript.sh $1(

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Re: [PD] [shell] on OSX...

2007-10-18 Thread Derek Holzer
Hi IOhannes,

thanks for the clarifications. I understand now why [shell] doesn't stay 
in "/home/derek" between commands.

I'm not so good at shell scripts, so bear with me for a second

What I'd like to do is pass variables so, for example:

cd /home/derek && mkdir test_$1

--where $1 is a number created by PD and sent to the shell script. The 
dir name could be constructed by [nsprint], for example, as it may have 
other variable as well. The shell script would only need a single 
variable to receive the constructed dir name.

Does that make sense? Is this easy to do?

thx!
d.


IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote:
> Derek Holzer wrote:
>> ...is painfully slow! It takes minutes sometimes to execute a command 
>> that the terminal handles is a second or two. Why is that? Does anyone 
>> else have this problem? 
> 
> i cannot help you here, but most likely it is a problem with 
> initializing a context:
> everytime you call shell, it will have to restart the shell-interpreter 
> which will take some time (when you start the terminal it also takes 
> some time...once the terminal is up and running it is faster, but you 
> don't get this with the [shell])
> 
> btw, this is the reasons why many often-used applications are often 
> re-written as daemons (e.g. i have a virus-scanner that usually get's 
> called from the cmdline to scan a file - this is too slow if you are 
> using it on a mailserver; therefore there is a daemonized version of the 
> scanner which is always running and which takes the data to be scanned 
> via a pipe)
> 
> this is also one of the reasons i hardly ever use [shell] but usually 
> write a small shellscript server (using ./pdreceive) and send data to 
> this server via [netsend] (and vice versa)
> i often find this more stable (and fun), but it is more complicated to 
> setup.
> 
> 
>> Also, it doesn't seem to understand, for example "cd /home/derek", 
>> since a "pwd" command immediately after still lists "/" as the current 
>> dir. 
> 
> 
> what makes you think it doesn't understand?
> whenever you call shell, it will open up a new context.
> so when you send "cd /home/derek" it will changedir into /home/derek 
> (from /) and then quit. when you call "pwd" it will print the working 
> directory of a fresh context (which is /)
> it is like when you open a terminal and do a "cd /usr/local" and then 
> open another terminal and do a "pwd"...
> this behaviour is the same on all platforms.
> 
> therefore you one usually uses scripts for more complex operations:
> $ cat /tmp/doit.sh
>  #!/bin/sh
>  cd /home/derek
>  pwd
> 
> and then do
> [/tmp/doit.sh(
> |
> [shell]
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> fmadsr.
> IOhannes
> 

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Re: [PD] [shell] on OSX...

2007-10-18 Thread IOhannes m zmoelnig
Derek Holzer wrote:
> ...is painfully slow! It takes minutes sometimes to execute a command 
> that the terminal handles is a second or two. Why is that? Does anyone 
> else have this problem? 

i cannot help you here, but most likely it is a problem with 
initializing a context:
everytime you call shell, it will have to restart the shell-interpreter 
which will take some time (when you start the terminal it also takes 
some time...once the terminal is up and running it is faster, but you 
don't get this with the [shell])

btw, this is the reasons why many often-used applications are often 
re-written as daemons (e.g. i have a virus-scanner that usually get's 
called from the cmdline to scan a file - this is too slow if you are 
using it on a mailserver; therefore there is a daemonized version of the 
scanner which is always running and which takes the data to be scanned 
via a pipe)

this is also one of the reasons i hardly ever use [shell] but usually 
write a small shellscript server (using ./pdreceive) and send data to 
this server via [netsend] (and vice versa)
i often find this more stable (and fun), but it is more complicated to 
setup.


> Also, it doesn't seem to understand, for example 
> "cd /home/derek", since a "pwd" command immediately after still lists 
> "/" as the current dir. 


what makes you think it doesn't understand?
whenever you call shell, it will open up a new context.
so when you send "cd /home/derek" it will changedir into /home/derek 
(from /) and then quit. when you call "pwd" it will print the working 
directory of a fresh context (which is /)
it is like when you open a terminal and do a "cd /usr/local" and then 
open another terminal and do a "pwd"...
this behaviour is the same on all platforms.

therefore you one usually uses scripts for more complex operations:
$ cat /tmp/doit.sh
  #!/bin/sh
  cd /home/derek
  pwd

and then do
[/tmp/doit.sh(
|
[shell]





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[PD] [shell] on OSX...

2007-10-18 Thread Derek Holzer
...is painfully slow! It takes minutes sometimes to execute a command 
that the terminal handles is a second or two. Why is that? Does anyone 
else have this problem? Also, it doesn't seem to understand, for example 
"cd /home/derek", since a "pwd" command immediately after still lists 
"/" as the current dir. Suggestions to speed it up/make it listen?

OSX 10.4.10
PD-0.39.2-extended-test4
PD-0.39.2-extended-rc4

best,
d.

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