[peirce-l] Re: MS 403 available at Arisbe
Gary (Fuhrman) and list: Thanks for the response to the transcription of MS 403. I'm just now in process of completing a combination of MSS 403 and 404 into a single paper of two parts which adds some short descriptive phrases for the section divisions as he recognizes them in the 1893 version. Pondering your suggestion about whether parts of the New List should be included as following rather than preceding the later version, it occurs to me that for on-line reading the best arrangement would be to program it with hypertext buttons at the appropriate places in the 1893 version that would pop up a resizable "floating" panel containing the passage from the New List to be compared so that the reader could easily reshape and move the panel around on the screen to the best place for doing the comparison. Maybe one would have to do that programming in whatever language the Shockwave technology uses, or something like that, or maybe it would be as simple as using html encoding to make a button for a popup of a new browser window, which could then be manually resized. Joe - Original Message - From: "gnusystems" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Peirce Discussion Forum" Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2006 2:39 PM Subject: [peirce-l] Re: MS 403 available at Arisbe Joe, i think we all owe you a round of thanks for your transcription of MS 403, especially those of us who are relative newcomers to the study of Peirce. After several readings of the "New List" paper i still find it a tough nut to crack, and this 1893 version makes it much more accessible. In fact i would advise beginners in Peirce studies to try MS 403 (and 404) first and the 1867 paper later. Terminologically, the "New List" paper seems to have a very hard crust, perhaps the result of its conceptual content having been "in the oven" for three or four years before reaching its published form -- guaranteeing that its language would be transparent for its author, however opaque it may be for the average reader. I think MS 403 shows Peirce making some progress toward making his expression as "elementary" for the public as his categories were already "elementary" in the logical sense. Or maybe i'm reading my own progress as a reader into it ... i'd like to hear a real beginner's testimony as to which version makes more immediate sense. (I wonder if it would work better to put the sections from 1867 after the 1893 versions of each section?) The new footnotes also reveal some unexpected implications and connections (unexpected by me, anyway). -- As for MS 339D.663f, i'm still struggling with that one. gary }Drawing nearer to take our slant at it (since after all it has met with misfortune while all underground), let us see all there may remain to be seen. [Finnegans Wake 113]{ gnusystems }{ Pam Jackson & Gary Fuhrman }{ Manitoulin University }{ [EMAIL PROTECTED] }{ http://users.vianet.ca/gnox/ }{ --- Message from peirce-l forum to subscriber [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/395 - Release Date: 7/21/2006 --- Message from peirce-l forum to subscriber archive@mail-archive.com
[peirce-l] Re: MS 403 available at Arisbe
Joe, i think we all owe you a round of thanks for your transcription of MS 403, especially those of us who are relative newcomers to the study of Peirce. After several readings of the "New List" paper i still find it a tough nut to crack, and this 1893 version makes it much more accessible. In fact i would advise beginners in Peirce studies to try MS 403 (and 404) first and the 1867 paper later. Terminologically, the "New List" paper seems to have a very hard crust, perhaps the result of its conceptual content having been "in the oven" for three or four years before reaching its published form -- guaranteeing that its language would be transparent for its author, however opaque it may be for the average reader. I think MS 403 shows Peirce making some progress toward making his expression as "elementary" for the public as his categories were already "elementary" in the logical sense. Or maybe i'm reading my own progress as a reader into it ... i'd like to hear a real beginner's testimony as to which version makes more immediate sense. (I wonder if it would work better to put the sections from 1867 after the 1893 versions of each section?) The new footnotes also reveal some unexpected implications and connections (unexpected by me, anyway). -- As for MS 339D.663f, i'm still struggling with that one. gary }Drawing nearer to take our slant at it (since after all it has met with misfortune while all underground), let us see all there may remain to be seen. [Finnegans Wake 113]{ gnusystems }{ Pam Jackson & Gary Fuhrman }{ Manitoulin University }{ [EMAIL PROTECTED] }{ http://users.vianet.ca/gnox/ }{ --- Message from peirce-l forum to subscriber archive@mail-archive.com
[peirce-l] Re: MS 403 available at Arisbe
Arnold, Wilfred, and list: I just noticed -- and corrected -- a transcription error that occurs in Section 3 of the 1893 version in the footnote embedded in that paragraph: I had typed "intention" where it should have been "attention". That could easily induce a conceptual error. I also corrected a couple of typos, one was a spelling of "priscindible" as "priscindable" and I forget the other, but it is something trivial, too. Also, that glitch on the last page, at the top, disappeared when I figured out that it was due to some confusion induced in the program that was caused by using the switch that keeps the two lines together at the page break. That was corrected, too, and the box enclosing the text now stays open where it was mistakenly closing at the page break before. The only important error, though, was the attention/intention mistake. And they are all corrected now. (If you find any other seeming mistakes please let me know so I can correct them, too.) Joe Ransdell - Original Message - From: Arnold Shepperson To: Peirce Discussion Forum Sent: Friday, July 21, 2006 6:11 AM Subject: [peirce-l] Re: MS 403 available at Arisbe Joe, Wilfred I had a quick squizz at MS 403, and agree that it could be quite an important document in getting an idea of the combined continuity and growth of Peirce's thought. Thanks for doing this: I am at this moment taking a break from preparing an article on the contributions to social inquiry that Peirce's philosophical, semeiotic, and logical possible inquiries make possible, and this document (even if I don't cite it directly) does seem to clarify ways of showing reader only partly familiar with Peirce that he is definitely worth the further effort in the reading. BTW: the article in question is for a relatively new journal, _The Journal of Multicultural Discourses_, based at Zhejiang University, Hangzhou, China. An earlier version by Keyan Tomaselli and I was sent back with a referee's request that the article say less about what Africans purportedly think about GW Bush's America, and a lot more about Peirce. I have been giving this a full go for the last week, and expect to be busy for another week or two yet: anybody who wants more Peirce, can have as much as I can give, and whatever else they can get from all the resources!! Hence the rather peculiarly personal relevance of your posting MS 403 to Arisbe, because this is a source I can pass on as part of the article's review of the change in peirce Scholarship resources as a result of the Internet. I had asked the journal's editor whether his university had had any contact with Charls Pearson's project, but haven't had a respone yet. Cheers Arnold Shepperson--- Message from peirce-l forum to subscriber [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/394 - Release Date: 7/20/2006 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.3/394 - Release Date: 7/20/2006 --- Message from peirce-l forum to subscriber archive@mail-archive.com
[peirce-l] Re: MS 403 available at Arisbe
Joe, Wilfred I had a quick squizz at MS 403, and agree that it could be quite an important document in getting an idea of the combined continuity and growth of Peirce's thought. Thanks for doing this: I am at this moment taking a break from preparing an article on the contributions to social inquiry that Peirce's philosophical, semeiotic, and logical possible inquiries make possible, and this document (even if I don't cite it directly) does seem to clarify ways of showing reader only partly familiar with Peirce that he is definitely worth the further effort in the reading. BTW: the article in question is for a relatively new journal, _The Journal of Multicultural Discourses_, based at Zhejiang University, Hangzhou, China. An earlier version by Keyan Tomaselli and I was sent back with a referee's request that the article say less about what Africans purportedly think about GW Bush's America, and a lot more about Peirce. I have been giving this a full go for the last week, and expect to be busy for another week or two yet: anybody who wants more Peirce, can have as much as I can give, and whatever else they can get from all the resources!! Hence the rather peculiarly personal relevance of your posting MS 403 to Arisbe, because this is a source I can pass on as part of the article's review of the change in peirce Scholarship resources as a result of the Internet. I had asked the journal's editor whether his university had had any contact with Charls Pearson's project, but haven't had a respone yet. Cheers Arnold Shepperson --- Message from peirce-l forum to subscriber archive@mail-archive.com
[peirce-l] RE: MS 403 available at Arisbe
Thank you a lot! Reading this great text just now. I got some general question again. Which has to do with some Aristotle notion. I am just wondering whether CS Peirce also used this notion or wrote some texts that are strongly connected with this notion. I am talking here about the notion of "phronesis". I am still not getting very much of Peirce and have to read a lot still. Also talking. Which is why I am very pleased to meet Thomas Riese in Germany this Thursday. Think I might even understand bits of Charles Sander after that :-). Are there more people besides Thomas and Auke van Breemen living in Netherlands, Germany, Belgium or England?? Fact is I will visit England also to get some peregrine falcon (for my falconry passion) next year. If there are people from England living not too far from there I might try to arrange some discussions then also :-). Kind regards, Wilfred -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Joseph Ransdell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verzonden: donderdag 20 juli 2006 18:12 Aan: Peirce Discussion Forum Onderwerp: [peirce-l] MS 403 available at Arisbe I just now mounted a transcription of MS 403 (1893), "The Categories", at Arisbe. http://members.door.net/arisbe/menu/library/bycsp/ms403/ms403.pdf -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/387 - Release Date: 12-7-2006 --- Message from peirce-l forum to subscriber archive@mail-archive.com