Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism
Yes, it and it says how wonderful the Greeks are! = "LET US NOT FORGET---that the war could not have been won if the Belgians, the British, the French and the "Eye-talians" had not fought like bull-dogs in the face of overwhelming odds." T.A.Edison ;-) Dennis --- On Sun, 1/27/13, George Glastris wrote: From: George Glastris Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism To: "Antique Phonograph List" Date: Sunday, January 27, 2013, 8:59 PM Yes, it and it says how wonderful the Greeks are! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism
Don't tell my father that..he would have said Disraeli stole it from Plato! -Original Message- From: Abe Feder Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 7:08 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism Actually-if you look that up you find that Disraeli said "Yes I am a Jew and when the ancestors of the Right Honorable gentleman were brutal savages on an unknown island mine were priests in the Temple of Solomon. He said that as he was addressing the House of Commons in England. This has been the basis for many such statements for the last 175 years including the one in the movie. Abe On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Michael F. Khanchalian < mfkhanchal...@altrionet.com> wrote: You mean you look down on everyone except the Armenians. Come on now George :-) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2013, at 8:33 AM, "George Glastris" wrote: > Be that as it may, we Greeks look down on everyone else since we are the creators of Western Civilization. As the father in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" said.."Every thing comes from the Greek." > > Or as my late father would say to his best friends (Mr. Kelley, Mr. Germeroth, and Mr. Freed) "When my people were writing the great philosophical books of the ancient world, your people were swinging from trees." Then again, he would remind my mother that HIS family were Corinthian but that HER family were only Thessalian. > > -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:12 AM > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism > > Honestly, growing up in western Michigan, even as a white male I felt somewhat oppressed by the very nature of the clannish ethnic groups. It didn't matter if you were white, what mattered was whether you were Polish or Dutch. For example, the Dutch had bumper stickers that said "If you're not Dutch, you're not much." Talk about discrimination... you couldn't buy a house in Zeeland, Michigan without going through an "interview" with a Dutch realtor - there were no "For Sale/Rent" signs in Zeeland, even though houses were obviously available. If your last name didn't end with a "ski" or other Polish ending you weren't accepted on the west side of Grand Rapids and the blacks were all located in their own section of town, because to avoid the busing and integration laws each small community that made up the total of Grand Rapids proper, incorporated into their own small towns. Benton Harbor, Michigan is a prime example: in the 1950's it was predominately white, but in the 60's a > nd 70's as blacks moved in - whites moved out across the river to St Joseph... the last time I was there, Benton Harbor was referred to as Benton Harlem and St Joseph was almost totally white. > >> From: rpm...@aol.com >> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:44:50 -0500 >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >> Subject: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism >> >> Given when he was born, where he lived, and his own ethnic and >> cultural >> group, I would be surprised if he were either more or less "anti-semitic" >> than others in the United States who weren't themselves Jewish. >> >> It wasn't remarkable for a Christian home owner to want to sell his home >> to another Christian; for a Christian employer to want a Christian employee. >> What we have here, I think, is a kind of "social distance" felt by one >> social and cultural group from another. >> >> In my own lifetime, newspaper advertisements for houses for sale or >> apartments to rent in New York City included clues in their texts about who they >> wanted, e.g. --- "churches nearby" --- carrying with it an implication of >> who they *did not* want. >> >> Edison was a man of his time, place, and background. >> >> paul charosh >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism
Wellmaybe we don't look down on the Armenians, but we may glance down on them. You do make lovely rugs. -Original Message- From: Michael F. Khanchalian Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 5:54 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism You mean you look down on everyone except the Armenians. Come on now George :-) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2013, at 8:33 AM, "George Glastris" wrote: Be that as it may, we Greeks look down on everyone else since we are the creators of Western Civilization. As the father in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" said.."Every thing comes from the Greek." Or as my late father would say to his best friends (Mr. Kelley, Mr. Germeroth, and Mr. Freed) "When my people were writing the great philosophical books of the ancient world, your people were swinging from trees." Then again, he would remind my mother that HIS family were Corinthian but that HER family were only Thessalian. -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:12 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism Honestly, growing up in western Michigan, even as a white male I felt somewhat oppressed by the very nature of the clannish ethnic groups. It didn't matter if you were white, what mattered was whether you were Polish or Dutch. For example, the Dutch had bumper stickers that said "If you're not Dutch, you're not much." Talk about discrimination... you couldn't buy a house in Zeeland, Michigan without going through an "interview" with a Dutch realtor - there were no "For Sale/Rent" signs in Zeeland, even though houses were obviously available. If your last name didn't end with a "ski" or other Polish ending you weren't accepted on the west side of Grand Rapids and the blacks were all located in their own section of town, because to avoid the busing and integration laws each small community that made up the total of Grand Rapids proper, incorporated into their own small towns. Benton Harbor, Michigan is a prime example: in the 1950's it was predominately white, but in the 60's a nd 70's as blacks moved in - whites moved out across the river to St Joseph... the last time I was there, Benton Harbor was referred to as Benton Harlem and St Joseph was almost totally white. From: rpm...@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:44:50 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism Given when he was born, where he lived, and his own ethnic and cultural group, I would be surprised if he were either more or less "anti-semitic" than others in the United States who weren't themselves Jewish. It wasn't remarkable for a Christian home owner to want to sell his home to another Christian; for a Christian employer to want a Christian employee. What we have here, I think, is a kind of "social distance" felt by one social and cultural group from another. In my own lifetime, newspaper advertisements for houses for sale or apartments to rent in New York City included clues in their texts about who they wanted, e.g. --- "churches nearby" --- carrying with it an implication of who they *did not* want. Edison was a man of his time, place, and background. paul charosh ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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I believe we care as much about immigrants And What To Do About Them as we did decades ago; but they aren't the same groups identified in the song. Need I tell you all where they come from? pc In a message dated 1/27/2013 8:40:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, a...@popyrus.com writes: Yes Greg, you're absolutely right. I have that title in a little subset of records reserved for this genre, one in which almost no ethnic group or foreign nationality was safe from being parodied. Not to mention sexism. If I recall, it was much the same with Don Rickles, and other more modern comedians, whose stock in trade was insult humor (not always funny, but it seemed to enjoy a popular revival for a while there). Andrew Baron On Jan 27, 2013, at 5:48 PM, Greg Bogantz wrote: > The fact that Americans were more obsessed with immigrants and nationalities 100 years ago than we are today is well illustrated in the Edison BA record #4083 "The Argentines, the Portuguese, and the Greeks" by Ed Meeker. This is a fun song and one of my favorite BAs, but it also illustrates the popular preoccupation that people had with ethnic and national stereotypes back then. > > Greg Bogantz > > > > > - Original Message - From: "Michael F. Khanchalian" > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism > > >> You mean you look down on everyone except the Armenians. >> >> Come on now George :-) >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 27, 2013, at 8:33 AM, "George Glastris" wrote: >> >>> Be that as it may, we Greeks look down on everyone else since we are the creators of Western Civilization. As the father in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" said.."Every thing comes from the Greek." >>> >>> Or as my late father would say to his best friends (Mr. Kelley, Mr. Germeroth, and Mr. Freed) "When my people were writing the great philosophical books of the ancient world, your people were swinging from trees." Then again, he would remind my mother that HIS family were Corinthian but that HER family were only Thessalian. >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions >>> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:12 AM >>> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism >>> >>> Honestly, growing up in western Michigan, even as a white male I felt somewhat oppressed by the very nature of the clannish ethnic groups. It didn't matter if you were white, what mattered was whether you were Polish or Dutch. For example, the Dutch had bumper stickers that said "If you're not Dutch, you're not much." Talk about discrimination... you couldn't buy a house in Zeeland, Michigan without going through an "interview" with a Dutch realtor - there were no "For Sale/Rent" signs in Zeeland, even though houses were obviously available. If your last name didn't end with a "ski" or other Polish ending you weren't accepted on the west side of Grand Rapids and the blacks were all located in their own section of town, because to avoid the busing and integration laws each small community that made up the total of Grand Rapids proper, incorporated into their own small towns. Benton Harbor, Michigan is a prime example: in the 1950's it was predominately white, but in the 60 's >> a >>> nd 70's as blacks moved in - whites moved out across the river to St Joseph... the last time I was there, Benton Harbor was referred to as Benton Harlem and St Joseph was almost totally white. >>> From: rpm...@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:44:50 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism Given when he was born, where he lived, and his own ethnic and cultural group, I would be surprised if he were either more or less "anti-semitic" than others in the United States who weren't themselves Jewish. It wasn't remarkable for a Christian home owner to want to sell his home to another Christian; for a Christian employer to want a Christian employee. What we have here, I think, is a kind of "social distance" felt by one social and cultural group from another. In my own lifetime, newspaper advertisements for houses for sale or apartments to rent in New York City included clues in their texts about who they wanted, e.g. --- "churches nearby" --- carrying with it an implication of who they *did not* want. Edison was a man of his time, place, and background. paul charosh ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org >>> >>> ___ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.org >>> ___ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.org >>> >> >> >>
Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism
Yes, it and it says how wonderful the Greeks are! -Original Message- From: Greg Bogantz Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:48 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism The fact that Americans were more obsessed with immigrants and nationalities 100 years ago than we are today is well illustrated in the Edison BA record #4083 "The Argentines, the Portuguese, and the Greeks" by Ed Meeker. This is a fun song and one of my favorite BAs, but it also illustrates the popular preoccupation that people had with ethnic and national stereotypes back then. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: "Michael F. Khanchalian" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism You mean you look down on everyone except the Armenians. Come on now George :-) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2013, at 8:33 AM, "George Glastris" wrote: Be that as it may, we Greeks look down on everyone else since we are the creators of Western Civilization. As the father in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" said.."Every thing comes from the Greek." Or as my late father would say to his best friends (Mr. Kelley, Mr. Germeroth, and Mr. Freed) "When my people were writing the great philosophical books of the ancient world, your people were swinging from trees." Then again, he would remind my mother that HIS family were Corinthian but that HER family were only Thessalian. -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:12 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism Honestly, growing up in western Michigan, even as a white male I felt somewhat oppressed by the very nature of the clannish ethnic groups. It didn't matter if you were white, what mattered was whether you were Polish or Dutch. For example, the Dutch had bumper stickers that said "If you're not Dutch, you're not much." Talk about discrimination... you couldn't buy a house in Zeeland, Michigan without going through an "interview" with a Dutch realtor - there were no "For Sale/Rent" signs in Zeeland, even though houses were obviously available. If your last name didn't end with a "ski" or other Polish ending you weren't accepted on the west side of Grand Rapids and the blacks were all located in their own section of town, because to avoid the busing and integration laws each small community that made up the total of Grand Rapids proper, incorporated into their own small towns. Benton Harbor, Michigan is a prime example: in the 1950's it was predominately white, but in the 60's a nd 70's as blacks moved in - whites moved out across the river to St Joseph... the last time I was there, Benton Harbor was referred to as Benton Harlem and St Joseph was almost totally white. From: rpm...@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:44:50 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism Given when he was born, where he lived, and his own ethnic and cultural group, I would be surprised if he were either more or less "anti-semitic" than others in the United States who weren't themselves Jewish. It wasn't remarkable for a Christian home owner to want to sell his home to another Christian; for a Christian employer to want a Christian employee. What we have here, I think, is a kind of "social distance" felt by one social and cultural group from another. In my own lifetime, newspaper advertisements for houses for sale or apartments to rent in New York City included clues in their texts about who they wanted, e.g. --- "churches nearby" --- carrying with it an implication of who they *did not* want. Edison was a man of his time, place, and background. paul charosh ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism
Yes Greg, you're absolutely right. I have that title in a little subset of records reserved for this genre, one in which almost no ethnic group or foreign nationality was safe from being parodied. Not to mention sexism. If I recall, it was much the same with Don Rickles, and other more modern comedians, whose stock in trade was insult humor (not always funny, but it seemed to enjoy a popular revival for a while there). Andrew Baron On Jan 27, 2013, at 5:48 PM, Greg Bogantz wrote: > The fact that Americans were more obsessed with immigrants and > nationalities 100 years ago than we are today is well illustrated in the > Edison BA record #4083 "The Argentines, the Portuguese, and the Greeks" by Ed > Meeker. This is a fun song and one of my favorite BAs, but it also > illustrates the popular preoccupation that people had with ethnic and > national stereotypes back then. > > Greg Bogantz > > > > > - Original Message - From: "Michael F. Khanchalian" > > To: "Antique Phonograph List" > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:54 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism > > >> You mean you look down on everyone except the Armenians. >> >> Come on now George :-) >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 27, 2013, at 8:33 AM, "George Glastris" wrote: >> >>> Be that as it may, we Greeks look down on everyone else since we are the >>> creators of Western Civilization. As the father in "My Big Fat Greek >>> Wedding" said.."Every thing comes from the Greek." >>> >>> Or as my late father would say to his best friends (Mr. Kelley, Mr. >>> Germeroth, and Mr. Freed) "When my people were writing the great >>> philosophical books of the ancient world, your people were swinging from >>> trees." Then again, he would remind my mother that HIS family were >>> Corinthian but that HER family were only Thessalian. >>> >>> -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions >>> Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:12 AM >>> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >>> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism >>> >>> Honestly, growing up in western Michigan, even as a white male I felt >>> somewhat oppressed by the very nature of the clannish ethnic groups. It >>> didn't matter if you were white, what mattered was whether you were Polish >>> or Dutch. For example, the Dutch had bumper stickers that said "If you're >>> not Dutch, you're not much." Talk about discrimination... you couldn't buy >>> a house in Zeeland, Michigan without going through an "interview" with a >>> Dutch realtor - there were no "For Sale/Rent" signs in Zeeland, even though >>> houses were obviously available. If your last name didn't end with a "ski" >>> or other Polish ending you weren't accepted on the west side of Grand >>> Rapids and the blacks were all located in their own section of town, >>> because to avoid the busing and integration laws each small community that >>> made up the total of Grand Rapids proper, incorporated into their own small >>> towns. Benton Harbor, Michigan is a prime example: in the 1950's it was >>> predominately white, but in the 60 's >> a >>> nd 70's as blacks moved in - whites moved out across the river to St >>> Joseph... the last time I was there, Benton Harbor was referred to as >>> Benton Harlem and St Joseph was almost totally white. >>> From: rpm...@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:44:50 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism Given when he was born, where he lived, and his own ethnic and cultural group, I would be surprised if he were either more or less "anti-semitic" than others in the United States who weren't themselves Jewish. It wasn't remarkable for a Christian home owner to want to sell his home to another Christian; for a Christian employer to want a Christian employee. What we have here, I think, is a kind of "social distance" felt by one social and cultural group from another. In my own lifetime, newspaper advertisements for houses for sale or apartments to rent in New York City included clues in their texts about who they wanted, e.g. --- "churches nearby" --- carrying with it an implication of who they *did not* want. Edison was a man of his time, place, and background. paul charosh ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org >>> >>> ___ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.org >>> ___ >>> Phono-L mailing list >>> http://phono-l.org >>> >> >> >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism
Actually-if you look that up you find that Disraeli said "Yes I am a Jew and when the ancestors of the Right Honorable gentleman were brutal savages on an unknown island mine were priests in the Temple of Solomon. He said that as he was addressing the House of Commons in England. This has been the basis for many such statements for the last 175 years including the one in the movie. Abe On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 4:54 PM, Michael F. Khanchalian < mfkhanchal...@altrionet.com> wrote: > You mean you look down on everyone except the Armenians. > > Come on now George :-) > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 27, 2013, at 8:33 AM, "George Glastris" > wrote: > > > Be that as it may, we Greeks look down on everyone else since we are the > creators of Western Civilization. As the father in "My Big Fat Greek > Wedding" said.."Every thing comes from the Greek." > > > > Or as my late father would say to his best friends (Mr. Kelley, Mr. > Germeroth, and Mr. Freed) "When my people were writing the great > philosophical books of the ancient world, your people were swinging from > trees." Then again, he would remind my mother that HIS family were > Corinthian but that HER family were only Thessalian. > > > > -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions > > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:12 AM > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism > > > > Honestly, growing up in western Michigan, even as a white male I felt > somewhat oppressed by the very nature of the clannish ethnic groups. It > didn't matter if you were white, what mattered was whether you were Polish > or Dutch. For example, the Dutch had bumper stickers that said "If you're > not Dutch, you're not much." Talk about discrimination... you couldn't buy > a house in Zeeland, Michigan without going through an "interview" with a > Dutch realtor - there were no "For Sale/Rent" signs in Zeeland, even though > houses were obviously available. If your last name didn't end with a "ski" > or other Polish ending you weren't accepted on the west side of Grand > Rapids and the blacks were all located in their own section of town, > because to avoid the busing and integration laws each small community that > made up the total of Grand Rapids proper, incorporated into their own small > towns. Benton Harbor, Michigan is a prime example: in the 1950's it was > predominately white, but in the 60's > a > > nd 70's as blacks moved in - whites moved out across the river to St > Joseph... the last time I was there, Benton Harbor was referred to as > Benton Harlem and St Joseph was almost totally white. > > > >> From: rpm...@aol.com > >> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:44:50 -0500 > >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > >> Subject: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism > >> > >> Given when he was born, where he lived, and his own ethnic and cultural > >> group, I would be surprised if he were either more or less > "anti-semitic" > >> than others in the United States who weren't themselves Jewish. > >> > >> It wasn't remarkable for a Christian home owner to want to sell his > home > >> to another Christian; for a Christian employer to want a Christian > employee. > >> What we have here, I think, is a kind of "social distance" felt by one > >> social and cultural group from another. > >> > >> In my own lifetime, newspaper advertisements for houses for sale or > >> apartments to rent in New York City included clues in their texts > about who they > >> wanted, e.g. --- "churches nearby" --- carrying with it an implication > of > >> who they *did not* want. > >> > >> Edison was a man of his time, place, and background. > >> > >> paul charosh > >> ___ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.org > > > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism
The fact that Americans were more obsessed with immigrants and nationalities 100 years ago than we are today is well illustrated in the Edison BA record #4083 "The Argentines, the Portuguese, and the Greeks" by Ed Meeker. This is a fun song and one of my favorite BAs, but it also illustrates the popular preoccupation that people had with ethnic and national stereotypes back then. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: "Michael F. Khanchalian" To: "Antique Phonograph List" Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism You mean you look down on everyone except the Armenians. Come on now George :-) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2013, at 8:33 AM, "George Glastris" wrote: Be that as it may, we Greeks look down on everyone else since we are the creators of Western Civilization. As the father in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" said.."Every thing comes from the Greek." Or as my late father would say to his best friends (Mr. Kelley, Mr. Germeroth, and Mr. Freed) "When my people were writing the great philosophical books of the ancient world, your people were swinging from trees." Then again, he would remind my mother that HIS family were Corinthian but that HER family were only Thessalian. -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:12 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism Honestly, growing up in western Michigan, even as a white male I felt somewhat oppressed by the very nature of the clannish ethnic groups. It didn't matter if you were white, what mattered was whether you were Polish or Dutch. For example, the Dutch had bumper stickers that said "If you're not Dutch, you're not much." Talk about discrimination... you couldn't buy a house in Zeeland, Michigan without going through an "interview" with a Dutch realtor - there were no "For Sale/Rent" signs in Zeeland, even though houses were obviously available. If your last name didn't end with a "ski" or other Polish ending you weren't accepted on the west side of Grand Rapids and the blacks were all located in their own section of town, because to avoid the busing and integration laws each small community that made up the total of Grand Rapids proper, incorporated into their own small towns. Benton Harbor, Michigan is a prime example: in the 1950's it was predominately white, but in the 60's a nd 70's as blacks moved in - whites moved out across the river to St Joseph... the last time I was there, Benton Harbor was referred to as Benton Harlem and St Joseph was almost totally white. From: rpm...@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:44:50 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism Given when he was born, where he lived, and his own ethnic and cultural group, I would be surprised if he were either more or less "anti-semitic" than others in the United States who weren't themselves Jewish. It wasn't remarkable for a Christian home owner to want to sell his home to another Christian; for a Christian employer to want a Christian employee. What we have here, I think, is a kind of "social distance" felt by one social and cultural group from another. In my own lifetime, newspaper advertisements for houses for sale or apartments to rent in New York City included clues in their texts about who they wanted, e.g. --- "churches nearby" --- carrying with it an implication of who they *did not* want. Edison was a man of his time, place, and background. paul charosh ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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You mean you look down on everyone except the Armenians. Come on now George :-) Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2013, at 8:33 AM, "George Glastris" wrote: > Be that as it may, we Greeks look down on everyone else since we are the > creators of Western Civilization. As the father in "My Big Fat Greek > Wedding" said.."Every thing comes from the Greek." > > Or as my late father would say to his best friends (Mr. Kelley, Mr. > Germeroth, and Mr. Freed) "When my people were writing the great > philosophical books of the ancient world, your people were swinging from > trees." Then again, he would remind my mother that HIS family were > Corinthian but that HER family were only Thessalian. > > -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions > Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:12 AM > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism > > Honestly, growing up in western Michigan, even as a white male I felt > somewhat oppressed by the very nature of the clannish ethnic groups. It > didn't matter if you were white, what mattered was whether you were Polish or > Dutch. For example, the Dutch had bumper stickers that said "If you're not > Dutch, you're not much." Talk about discrimination... you couldn't buy a > house in Zeeland, Michigan without going through an "interview" with a Dutch > realtor - there were no "For Sale/Rent" signs in Zeeland, even though houses > were obviously available. If your last name didn't end with a "ski" or other > Polish ending you weren't accepted on the west side of Grand Rapids and the > blacks were all located in their own section of town, because to avoid the > busing and integration laws each small community that made up the total of > Grand Rapids proper, incorporated into their own small towns. Benton Harbor, > Michigan is a prime example: in the 1950's it was predominately white, but in > the 60's a > nd 70's as blacks moved in - whites moved out across the river to St > Joseph... the last time I was there, Benton Harbor was referred to as Benton > Harlem and St Joseph was almost totally white. > >> From: rpm...@aol.com >> Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:44:50 -0500 >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >> Subject: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism >> >> Given when he was born, where he lived, and his own ethnic and cultural >> group, I would be surprised if he were either more or less "anti-semitic" >> than others in the United States who weren't themselves Jewish. >> >> It wasn't remarkable for a Christian home owner to want to sell his home >> to another Christian; for a Christian employer to want a Christian employee. >> What we have here, I think, is a kind of "social distance" felt by one >> social and cultural group from another. >> >> In my own lifetime, newspaper advertisements for houses for sale or >> apartments to rent in New York City included clues in their texts about who >> they >> wanted, e.g. --- "churches nearby" --- carrying with it an implication of >> who they *did not* want. >> >> Edison was a man of his time, place, and background. >> >> paul charosh >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Edison bearings
Not sure if many would like this, but I've been trying to come up with an idea of how to improve the Edison Standard bearings. Specifically being the bearings for the governor. I wanted to develop something that would still look original yet performed better. Last week I finally thought of something (if it hasn't been already) and put one together (after many trial and error attempts). It's a female bearing with a stainless steel sleeve in a hollow brass case. I tried a steel case but couldn't drill through it. The case has an oil feed at the top right or left end (depending which side it's made for). The bearing provides a longer oil feed and better lubrication. After testing it on my Standard motor, it is working great. It has the original look (except for the oil feed hole and the brass)and works better and you don't have to oil the motor as often. If your interested in one, let me know. I'll send a few out for free for testing /feedback. Thanks Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] LARGE unabridged Edison By Paul Isreal audio book onCassette
Conot - who wrote Streak of Luck was a general author. That was the only book he wrote on Edison. I did meet him at the Edison Site in West Orange when he was researching it. Paul Israel had access to ALL of Edison's papers and has been head of the Papers Project for more than a dozen years It is also the most recent. Personally I rank Israel then Cont and then Neil Baldwin (another "general" author). Ogf course the first lengthy one was by Matthew Josephson - but that was more of an "authorized" bio. Anyway, if no one wants the cassettes - I'll donate to the library. Steve In a message dated 1/27/2013 2:35:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, matthewbul...@runbox.com writes: I found this book from Audible as well. If anyone knows, how does this compare to the 1978 biography called A Streak Of Luck? Thanks a lot. Matthew ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism
That was awesome Ken! Loved it! On Jan 27, 2013 12:29 PM, "Ken and Brenda Brekke" wrote: > Every once in a while, a little bit of historical trivia comes to light. > > Did you know The Goldberg Brothers - The Inventors of the Automobile > Air > Conditioner. Here's a little factoid for automotive buffs or just to dazzle > your friends. > > The four Goldberg brothers, Lowell, Norman, Hiram, and Maxwell, invented > and > developed the first automobile air-conditioner. > > On July 17, 1946, the temperature in Detroit was 97 degrees. The four > brothers walked into old man Henry Ford's office and sweet-talked his > secretary into telling him that four gentlemen were there with the most > exciting innovation in the auto industry since the electric starter. Henry > was curious and invited them into his office. > > They refused and instead asked that he come out to the parking lot to their > car. They persuaded him to get into the car, which was about 130 degrees, > turned on the air conditioner, and cooled the car off immediately. The old > man got very excited and invited them back to the office, where he offered > them $3 million for the patent. > > The brothers refused, saying they would settle for $2 million, but they > wanted the recognition by having a label, 'The Goldberg Air-Conditioner,' > on > the dashboard of each car in which it was installed. Now old man Ford was > more than just a little anti - Semitic, and there was no way he was going > to > put the Goldberg's name on two million Fords. > > They haggled back and forth for about two hours and finally agreed on $4 > million and that just their first names would be shown. And so to this day, > all Ford air conditioners show -- Lo, Norm, Hi, and Max -- on the controls. > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism
Very, very funny! Abe On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Steven Medved wrote: > > Impressive to say the least. > > From: kb...@charter.net > > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:14:44 -0600 > > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism > > > > Every once in a while, a little bit of historical trivia comes to light. > > > > Did you know The Goldberg Brothers - The Inventors of the Automobile > Air > > Conditioner. Here's a little factoid for automotive buffs or just to > dazzle > > your friends. > > > > The four Goldberg brothers, Lowell, Norman, Hiram, and Maxwell, invented > and > > developed the first automobile air-conditioner. > > > > On July 17, 1946, the temperature in Detroit was 97 degrees. The four > > brothers walked into old man Henry Ford's office and sweet-talked his > > secretary into telling him that four gentlemen were there with the most > > exciting innovation in the auto industry since the electric starter. > Henry > > was curious and invited them into his office. > > > > They refused and instead asked that he come out to the parking lot to > their > > car. They persuaded him to get into the car, which was about 130 degrees, > > turned on the air conditioner, and cooled the car off immediately. The > old > > man got very excited and invited them back to the office, where he > offered > > them $3 million for the patent. > > > > The brothers refused, saying they would settle for $2 million, but they > > wanted the recognition by having a label, 'The Goldberg > Air-Conditioner,' on > > the dashboard of each car in which it was installed. Now old man Ford was > > more than just a little anti - Semitic, and there was no way he was > going to > > put the Goldberg's name on two million Fords. > > > > They haggled back and forth for about two hours and finally agreed on $4 > > million and that just their first names would be shown. And so to this > day, > > all Ford air conditioners show -- Lo, Norm, Hi, and Max -- on the > controls. > > > > ___ > > Phono-L mailing list > > http://phono-l.org > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Orlando show report
What a great report, Steven. Thanks so much for sharing it in such detail. Andrew Baron On Jan 27, 2013, at 11:44 AM, Steven Medved wrote: > > Thanks, Ron, The early buyers and the dealers were provided with Lunch both > days. The first day, Friday, the dealers were set up in the room, no more > parking lot victim to the elements. $20 early buyer you were able to be > there at 7a.m. on Friday and Saturday from 8 a.m. on. This year the room > looked full and there was a lot of nice machines. Steve Andersun brought a > Class M with the early seldom seen Automatic reproducer serial number in the > 15,000 range with no lettering on the body. The machine had listening tubes > and a new brown wax cylinder made of a composite material so you could fully > experience the machine. Don Gfell had his wonderful display and brought his > brother, an antique dealer with him. Don sold a nice Victor VI with mahogany > horn to a man living in Orlando who is beginning to collect and was helped > out by people at the show with the other questions he had. Don's horn > display is worth the price of admission. Don also has a seldom seen late > dome top Model O reproducer. The Rolfs were there with the books they have > written and their usual display that is so well done you would not know it > began as a flat table. The Rolfs table is a very cheerful place to visit. > Rob Mallet was there, another nice person to talk with and visit his display > as well. Jean Paul Agnard and his wife were there along with Charlie Hummel, > it is amazing how much Charlie fits in those two airline bags. The famous > Bob Cole - Richard Brown tables and floor machines were in their normal > corner. Harry Ruer stopped by and it was so very wonderful to see him. The > Orlando show is not the largest, but it is the most friendly. Harry, Bob, > and Richard has done an excellent job of creating a user friendly show that > is wonderful to visit. All the dealers I asked were happy. Ron Sitko was > there with his wife, my wife enjoyed talking with Ron's Sitko's wife Carole, > Harry Ruer, Bob, Richard, and Ron Haring among others. The world famous > nice guy Gregg Cline was there doing a live demonstration on how to install > his decals on an Opera that was graciously donated by Richard Brown for the > show and tell. Gregg makes his decals to look hand painted, he has 17, yes > 17 different corners for the Triumph. On eBay I recently saw two triumphs > that looked mint to me, they were Cline decals. Is it mint or is it Cline? > Some people want his name in mico letters so they can tell. When you shellac > over his decals you have a protected decal that look like the ladies in the > Edison factory painted them on. Kevin Boerma had some very nice machines, I > purchased a rare late 2 minute recorder with the same holder as the four > minute from around 1913 for $50. He had a nice Toy Berliner. I spent the > whole day talking with people so I did not get a chance to write down all the > machines that were there. I got to see a large outdoor roller organ that had > amazing volume. With my poor memory for names I cannot list all the sellers > who were there. Russ Bruning was there with a repro Berliner reproducer for > $100 from the 70's or 80's. The weather was very nice and the door being so > close to the dealer parking makes it easy to move the machines in and out. > There was a lot of cylinder and disc records there. Ron Haring had 5, yes 5 > Edison dealer sample records and Charlie Hummel has the limited 100 count > record he made of a DD that was made in 1912 to introduce the machines to the > customers, three are known to exist. NEWS FLASH CELEBRITY WATCH: TIM > FABRIZIO WAS THERE. He did not have a table but he was there to visit us, > what a wonderful treat. Edison created the phonograph, Harry, Bob and > Richard created the best show. We did not expect it to be better this year, > but it was. Last year is was so nice we did not think it could be any > better, but it was. Next year we expect it to be even better, that is where > you come in. Make plans to visit us. The hotel is near to the attractions > and who would not want to thaw out in January if you live up north. This > year I spent around $800 on books, records, reproducer parts and the > recorder. I was very pleased, there were bargains at the show along with > some very nice people on both sides of the dealer tables. I enjoyed this > show immensly, I am looking forward to next year. Steve > To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com > From: victrol...@aol.com > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:43:02 -0500 > Subject: Re: [phonolist] Orlando show report > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would definitely say that Steve's report on the Orlando Antique > > Phonograph Show is accurate . The meeting hall was pretty much full with > dealer and > >
Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :) with special regards to Joan Rolfs
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Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism
Are you serious? I have to check mine! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] LARGE unabridged Edison By Paul Isreal audio book onCassette
I found this book from Audible as well. If anyone knows, how does this compare to the 1978 biography called A Streak Of Luck? Thanks a lot. Matthew ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism
Impressive to say the least. > From: kb...@charter.net > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:14:44 -0600 > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism > > Every once in a while, a little bit of historical trivia comes to light. > > Did you know The Goldberg Brothers - The Inventors of the Automobile Air > Conditioner. Here's a little factoid for automotive buffs or just to dazzle > your friends. > > The four Goldberg brothers, Lowell, Norman, Hiram, and Maxwell, invented and > developed the first automobile air-conditioner. > > On July 17, 1946, the temperature in Detroit was 97 degrees. The four > brothers walked into old man Henry Ford's office and sweet-talked his > secretary into telling him that four gentlemen were there with the most > exciting innovation in the auto industry since the electric starter. Henry > was curious and invited them into his office. > > They refused and instead asked that he come out to the parking lot to their > car. They persuaded him to get into the car, which was about 130 degrees, > turned on the air conditioner, and cooled the car off immediately. The old > man got very excited and invited them back to the office, where he offered > them $3 million for the patent. > > The brothers refused, saying they would settle for $2 million, but they > wanted the recognition by having a label, 'The Goldberg Air-Conditioner,' on > the dashboard of each car in which it was installed. Now old man Ford was > more than just a little anti - Semitic, and there was no way he was going to > put the Goldberg's name on two million Fords. > > They haggled back and forth for about two hours and finally agreed on $4 > million and that just their first names would be shown. And so to this day, > all Ford air conditioners show -- Lo, Norm, Hi, and Max -- on the controls. > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Orlando show report
Thanks, Ron, The early buyers and the dealers were provided with Lunch both days. The first day, Friday, the dealers were set up in the room, no more parking lot victim to the elements. $20 early buyer you were able to be there at 7a.m. on Friday and Saturday from 8 a.m. on. This year the room looked full and there was a lot of nice machines. Steve Andersun brought a Class M with the early seldom seen Automatic reproducer serial number in the 15,000 range with no lettering on the body. The machine had listening tubes and a new brown wax cylinder made of a composite material so you could fully experience the machine. Don Gfell had his wonderful display and brought his brother, an antique dealer with him. Don sold a nice Victor VI with mahogany horn to a man living in Orlando who is beginning to collect and was helped out by people at the show with the other questions he had. Don's horn display is worth the price of admission. Don also has a seldom seen late dome top Model O reproducer. The Rolfs were there with the books they have written and their usual display that is so well done you would not know it began as a flat table. The Rolfs table is a very cheerful place to visit. Rob Mallet was there, another nice person to talk with and visit his display as well. Jean Paul Agnard and his wife were there along with Charlie Hummel, it is amazing how much Charlie fits in those two airline bags. The famous Bob Cole - Richard Brown tables and floor machines were in their normal corner. Harry Ruer stopped by and it was so very wonderful to see him. The Orlando show is not the largest, but it is the most friendly. Harry, Bob, and Richard has done an excellent job of creating a user friendly show that is wonderful to visit. All the dealers I asked were happy. Ron Sitko was there with his wife, my wife enjoyed talking with Ron's Sitko's wife Carole, Harry Ruer, Bob, Richard, and Ron Haring among others. The world famous nice guy Gregg Cline was there doing a live demonstration on how to install his decals on an Opera that was graciously donated by Richard Brown for the show and tell. Gregg makes his decals to look hand painted, he has 17, yes 17 different corners for the Triumph. On eBay I recently saw two triumphs that looked mint to me, they were Cline decals. Is it mint or is it Cline? Some people want his name in mico letters so they can tell. When you shellac over his decals you have a protected decal that look like the ladies in the Edison factory painted them on. Kevin Boerma had some very nice machines, I purchased a rare late 2 minute recorder with the same holder as the four minute from around 1913 for $50. He had a nice Toy Berliner. I spent the whole day talking with people so I did not get a chance to write down all the machines that were there. I got to see a large outdoor roller organ that had amazing volume. With my poor memory for names I cannot list all the sellers who were there. Russ Bruning was there with a repro Berliner reproducer for $100 from the 70's or 80's. The weather was very nice and the door being so close to the dealer parking makes it easy to move the machines in and out. There was a lot of cylinder and disc records there. Ron Haring had 5, yes 5 Edison dealer sample records and Charlie Hummel has the limited 100 count record he made of a DD that was made in 1912 to introduce the machines to the customers, three are known to exist. NEWS FLASH CELEBRITY WATCH: TIM FABRIZIO WAS THERE. He did not have a table but he was there to visit us, what a wonderful treat. Edison created the phonograph, Harry, Bob and Richard created the best show. We did not expect it to be better this year, but it was. Last year is was so nice we did not think it could be any better, but it was. Next year we expect it to be even better, that is where you come in. Make plans to visit us. The hotel is near to the attractions and who would not want to thaw out in January if you live up north. This year I spent around $800 on books, records, reproducer parts and the recorder. I was very pleased, there were bargains at the show along with some very nice people on both sides of the dealer tables. I enjoyed this show immensly, I am looking forward to next year. Steve To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com From: victrol...@aol.com Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 12:43:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [phonolist] Orlando show report I would definitely say that Steve's report on the Orlando Antique Phonograph Show is accurate . The meeting hall was pretty much full with dealer and collector tables full of all kind of merchandise for sale. One of the dealers mentioned that he sold about 400 records as well as many other odds and ends. I did, indeed, have the best sales ever for this show this past week-end and was very pleased with the attendance and activity there at the sh
Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism
UGH! You had me going until the end. -Original Message- From: Ken and Brenda Brekke Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 12:14 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism Every once in a while, a little bit of historical trivia comes to light. Did you know The Goldberg Brothers - The Inventors of the Automobile Air Conditioner. Here's a little factoid for automotive buffs or just to dazzle your friends. The four Goldberg brothers, Lowell, Norman, Hiram, and Maxwell, invented and developed the first automobile air-conditioner. On July 17, 1946, the temperature in Detroit was 97 degrees. The four brothers walked into old man Henry Ford's office and sweet-talked his secretary into telling him that four gentlemen were there with the most exciting innovation in the auto industry since the electric starter. Henry was curious and invited them into his office. They refused and instead asked that he come out to the parking lot to their car. They persuaded him to get into the car, which was about 130 degrees, turned on the air conditioner, and cooled the car off immediately. The old man got very excited and invited them back to the office, where he offered them $3 million for the patent. The brothers refused, saying they would settle for $2 million, but they wanted the recognition by having a label, 'The Goldberg Air-Conditioner,' on the dashboard of each car in which it was installed. Now old man Ford was more than just a little anti - Semitic, and there was no way he was going to put the Goldberg's name on two million Fords. They haggled back and forth for about two hours and finally agreed on $4 million and that just their first names would be shown. And so to this day, all Ford air conditioners show -- Lo, Norm, Hi, and Max -- on the controls. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism
Every once in a while, a little bit of historical trivia comes to light. Did you know The Goldberg Brothers - The Inventors of the Automobile Air Conditioner. Here's a little factoid for automotive buffs or just to dazzle your friends. The four Goldberg brothers, Lowell, Norman, Hiram, and Maxwell, invented and developed the first automobile air-conditioner. On July 17, 1946, the temperature in Detroit was 97 degrees. The four brothers walked into old man Henry Ford's office and sweet-talked his secretary into telling him that four gentlemen were there with the most exciting innovation in the auto industry since the electric starter. Henry was curious and invited them into his office. They refused and instead asked that he come out to the parking lot to their car. They persuaded him to get into the car, which was about 130 degrees, turned on the air conditioner, and cooled the car off immediately. The old man got very excited and invited them back to the office, where he offered them $3 million for the patent. The brothers refused, saying they would settle for $2 million, but they wanted the recognition by having a label, 'The Goldberg Air-Conditioner,' on the dashboard of each car in which it was installed. Now old man Ford was more than just a little anti - Semitic, and there was no way he was going to put the Goldberg's name on two million Fords. They haggled back and forth for about two hours and finally agreed on $4 million and that just their first names would be shown. And so to this day, all Ford air conditioners show -- Lo, Norm, Hi, and Max -- on the controls. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism
Do you eat strawberries with sweet cream (Christian) or sour cream (Jewish)? Is your family from eastern Europe (Russia, Romania, Besserabia) or Germany/Netherlands? To some it matters. I doubt that Edison was exposed to niceties of this sort, but social placement in relation to his own group was everywhere around him. If he said that some of his best friends were Jews, and he just didn't happen to have any --- I forgive him. pc In a message dated 1/27/2013 11:56:24 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, glast...@comcast.net writes: Be that as it may, we Greeks look down on everyone else since we are the creators of Western Civilization. As the father in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" said.."Every thing comes from the Greek." Or as my late father would say to his best friends (Mr. Kelley, Mr. Germeroth, and Mr. Freed) "When my people were writing the great philosophical books of the ancient world, your people were swinging from trees." Then again, he would remind my mother that HIS family were Corinthian but that HER family were only Thessalian. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism
If your name ends in -sky you are probably Jewish. If it ends with -ski, you are probably Christian. paul charosh In a message dated 1/27/2013 11:27:13 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, vinyl.visi...@live.com writes: If your last name didn't end with a "ski" or other Polish ending you weren't accepted on the west side of Grand Rapids ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism
Be that as it may, we Greeks look down on everyone else since we are the creators of Western Civilization. As the father in "My Big Fat Greek Wedding" said.."Every thing comes from the Greek." Or as my late father would say to his best friends (Mr. Kelley, Mr. Germeroth, and Mr. Freed) "When my people were writing the great philosophical books of the ancient world, your people were swinging from trees." Then again, he would remind my mother that HIS family were Corinthian but that HER family were only Thessalian. -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 10:12 AM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism Honestly, growing up in western Michigan, even as a white male I felt somewhat oppressed by the very nature of the clannish ethnic groups. It didn't matter if you were white, what mattered was whether you were Polish or Dutch. For example, the Dutch had bumper stickers that said "If you're not Dutch, you're not much." Talk about discrimination... you couldn't buy a house in Zeeland, Michigan without going through an "interview" with a Dutch realtor - there were no "For Sale/Rent" signs in Zeeland, even though houses were obviously available. If your last name didn't end with a "ski" or other Polish ending you weren't accepted on the west side of Grand Rapids and the blacks were all located in their own section of town, because to avoid the busing and integration laws each small community that made up the total of Grand Rapids proper, incorporated into their own small towns. Benton Harbor, Michigan is a prime example: in the 1950's it was predominately white, but in the 60's a nd 70's as blacks moved in - whites moved out across the river to St Joseph... the last time I was there, Benton Harbor was referred to as Benton Harlem and St Joseph was almost totally white. From: rpm...@aol.com Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:44:50 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism Given when he was born, where he lived, and his own ethnic and cultural group, I would be surprised if he were either more or less "anti-semitic" than others in the United States who weren't themselves Jewish. It wasn't remarkable for a Christian home owner to want to sell his home to another Christian; for a Christian employer to want a Christian employee. What we have here, I think, is a kind of "social distance" felt by one social and cultural group from another. In my own lifetime, newspaper advertisements for houses for sale or apartments to rent in New York City included clues in their texts about who they wanted, e.g. --- "churches nearby" --- carrying with it an implication of who they *did not* want. Edison was a man of his time, place, and background. paul charosh ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] LARGE unabridged Edison By Paul Isreal audio book on Cassette
I thought I posted this here last week but I'm now not sure. sorry if I did already. But since we were discussing Edison: One of the best books Edison is "Edison A Life of Invention" by Paul Israel - the former head of the Edison Papers project. I'm cleaning house and have UNABRIDGED version on audio cassette in listened once condition. It has 16 90-minute cassettes in the "library bound format". Anyone want it for $25.00 ppd via paypal? This is the Blackstone Audio version read by Raymond Todd. Email me off list by end of this week if interested and to confirm I still have it. (PLEASE use stevenr...@aol.com) Steve Ramm ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism
Honestly, growing up in western Michigan, even as a white male I felt somewhat oppressed by the very nature of the clannish ethnic groups. It didn't matter if you were white, what mattered was whether you were Polish or Dutch. For example, the Dutch had bumper stickers that said "If you're not Dutch, you're not much." Talk about discrimination... you couldn't buy a house in Zeeland, Michigan without going through an "interview" with a Dutch realtor - there were no "For Sale/Rent" signs in Zeeland, even though houses were obviously available. If your last name didn't end with a "ski" or other Polish ending you weren't accepted on the west side of Grand Rapids and the blacks were all located in their own section of town, because to avoid the busing and integration laws each small community that made up the total of Grand Rapids proper, incorporated into their own small towns. Benton Harbor, Michigan is a prime example: in the 1950's it was predominately white, but in the 60's a nd 70's as blacks moved in - whites moved out across the river to St Joseph... the last time I was there, Benton Harbor was referred to as Benton Harlem and St Joseph was almost totally white. > From: rpm...@aol.com > Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:44:50 -0500 > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Edison and anti-semitism > > Given when he was born, where he lived, and his own ethnic and cultural > group, I would be surprised if he were either more or less "anti-semitic" > than others in the United States who weren't themselves Jewish. > > It wasn't remarkable for a Christian home owner to want to sell his home > to another Christian; for a Christian employer to want a Christian employee. > What we have here, I think, is a kind of "social distance" felt by one > social and cultural group from another. > > In my own lifetime, newspaper advertisements for houses for sale or > apartments to rent in New York City included clues in their texts about who > they > wanted, e.g. --- "churches nearby" --- carrying with it an implication of > who they *did not* want. > > Edison was a man of his time, place, and background. > > paul charosh > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] First Orlando show report
Hello, I will make a longer report later, the show was better this year than last. I spoke to Ron Haring and he told me last year was his best show ever and this year was even better. The dealers I spoke to were very pleased. I asked Joan Rolfs how the show went and she told me it was wonderful each time they were at the Orlando show. She is so cheerful that I had to rephrase my question, I asked how things went with regards to them selling and she said it was great. I just enjoy talking with all the dealers and people, Bob Cole and Richard Brown did an outstanding job, even better than last year. One guy had things at half price, hard cover Edison DD books by Frow for $17.50 each was one example. Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Seek Assistance
I just returned from the fabulous Orlando show and am ready to return to my hobby by being more proactive, seeking help from other collectors. For starters, I am seeking Edison 4 minute wax cylinder numbers 57, 147 and 160. Also, so that I might complete the series, I need D18, D20 and D22. The Orlando show sets the standard for all others. Its an opportunity for a bunch of nice guys to get together and share information while having a great time. There's no drama, no tension, and no rigid rules about when to buy and when to sell.It's what this hobby is all about and the sponsors efforts are to be commended. They go above and beyond what might ordinarily be expected and all in attendance sing their praises. Bob Kolba ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :)
a very good book on edison was a streak of luck but he was no different from any other capitalist of his era In a message dated 1/25/2013 8:18:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, abefed...@gmail.com writes: Just make sure that you don't teach them everything about Edison, he was very hard on employees and paid a low working wage and fired most who disagreed with him. He had a strange view-almost myopic view about art, the people that produced it and music. If it didn't fit his view or like he simply dismissed it as inferior. And just like his good friend Henry Ford he was very anti-Semitic. Both men are viewed as great and in many cases they were-both both had some major flaws. Abe Feder On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Melissa Ricci wrote: > Hello Everybody, > As many of you know, I am a middle school music/band teacher and I always > run a unit about Edison and the phonograph. We always end the unit by > recording on a wax cylinder. > For the first time in many years, I am teaching two 6th grade general > music classes along with my band classes this year. Today was the first > time I approached the topic of Thomas A. Edison. To see where the class was > with their present knowledge of Edison, I broke the kids into groups and > asked them to write down everything they knew or thought they knew about > him. > Here is what the majority of the class wrote down: > 1. Edison was the 2nd, 3rd or 16th president of the United States. We're > not sure which.2. Edison was originally from England.3. Edison's face is on > the $20.00 bill.4. Edison was a male.5. Edison probably had a wife and > might have had children.6. Edison died a very long, long, long time ago.7. > Edison helped to write the constitution.8. Edison had very long, wild > hair.9. Edison was very old. > > One student surprised me by writing that Edison invented the first talking > doll. I was amazed so I asked her where she had learned that information. > It turns our that it was on a recent episode of a TV show called > "Oddities". Who says TV can't teach! > Obviously, I plan on starting at the very beginning of Edison's life and > of course his many inventions of which not even the light bulb was > mentioned. > If any of you have any words of wisdom or little known/especially > interesting facts about Edison, please let me know. I plan on going pretty > in depth with these kids so anything I can learn will only help me capture > their interest and put these misconceptions to rest once and for all. > Thanks!Melissa > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :)
hi all that was an interesting show charley hummel was the expert who bought the doll a wonderful great collector zono In a message dated 1/25/2013 6:10:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, riccib...@yahoo.com writes: Hello Everybody, As many of you know, I am a middle school music/band teacher and I always run a unit about Edison and the phonograph. We always end the unit by recording on a wax cylinder. For the first time in many years, I am teaching two 6th grade general music classes along with my band classes this year. Today was the first time I approached the topic of Thomas A. Edison. To see where the class was with their present knowledge of Edison, I broke the kids into groups and asked them to write down everything they knew or thought they knew about him. Here is what the majority of the class wrote down: 1. Edison was the 2nd, 3rd or 16th president of the United States. We're not sure which.2. Edison was originally from England.3. Edison's face is on the $20.00 bill.4. Edison was a male.5. Edison probably had a wife and might have had children.6. Edison died a very long, long, long time ago.7. Edison helped to write the constitution.8. Edison had very long, wild hair.9. Edison was very old. One student surprised me by writing that Edison invented the first talking doll. I was amazed so I asked her where she had learned that information. It turns our that it was on a recent episode of a TV show called "Oddities". Who says TV can't teach! Obviously, I plan on starting at the very beginning of Edison's life and of course his many inventions of which not even the light bulb was mentioned. If any of you have any words of wisdom or little known/especially interesting facts about Edison, please let me know. I plan on going pretty in depth with these kids so anything I can learn will only help me capture their interest and put these misconceptions to rest once and for all. Thanks!Melissa ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion
don can restore your original one also i have several of his and no complaints but original is still better zono In a message dated 1/25/2013 3:55:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, b...@taney.com writes: Are these similar to the Gfell horns? Any opinion on the quality, authenticity of one vs the other? I am seriously tempted to buy this horn, I think it would look great on my opera. I have a nice opera with an original horn that the previous owner a mediocre restoration job and now it is coming apart again. Bill On 1/25/13 2:18 PM, "Vinyl Visions" wrote: >These are from Lima, Peru and I believe they are made by the same guy who >makes Victor six cabinets, columns, capitals, etc. - so good you can't >tell the difference, especially in 10-20 years, when the finish ages. >Judging by the quality of the horn in the pic, it will probably have a >negative effect on the price of a good quality original Edison... I know >that I wouldn't pay big bucks for one, when I can get one that looks just >as good for this price. This is part of the same problem that devalued >Vogue Picture discs, not just eBay, but when a company like Bear records >in Germany reproduces Vogues and they look the same (except for a black >edge) it devalues the originals. It's all about supply and demand - if >someone provides an adequate supply, demand and price decrease... > > >> Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:58:58 -0600 >> From: b...@taney.com >> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >> Subject: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion >> >> Anyone have an opinion on these horns or know the origin? >> >>http://www.ebay.com/itm/STUNNING-REPRODUCTION-MAHOGANY-WOOD-CYGNET-HORN-E >>DI >> >>SON-OPERA-PHONOGRAPH-/28100366?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4170375 >>b9 >> e >> Bill >> On 1/25/13 9:17 AM, "Ron L'Herault" wrote: >> >> >Hi Mike, >> > >> >It is for a friend, Kirk, so I am forwarding your e-mail to him. >>Thanks, >> > >> >Ronald L'Herault >> > >> >Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division >> >B.U. School of Dental Medicine >> >801 Albany Street S203 >> >Roxbury, MA 02119 >> > >> > >> > >> >-Original Message- >> >From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org >>[mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] >> >On >> >Behalf Of Mike Tucker >> >Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:17 AM >> >To: phono-l@oldcrank.org >> >Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Eclipse governor >> > >> >Ron, >> > >> >What exactly do you need? >> > >> >The whole offset governor, the governor assembly with shaft or the >> >governor >> >assembly without shaft? >> > >> >The governor is a two ball type and uses the normal Edison governor >>disc >> >and >> >small end, but with two holes instead of 3 or 4. A 3 can be adjusted to >> >suit >> >and the governor springs are standard Edison springs as per Standards >>etc. >> > >> >Mike Tucker >> > >> >On 25/01/2013 2:32 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: >> >> A good friend of mine needs a governor for an Eclipse. Did any other >> >> Edison machines use this same governor? Anyone got one? >> >> >> >> Thanks, >> >> >> >> Ron L'Herault >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> Phono-L mailing list >> >> http://phono-l.org >> >> >> > >> >___ >> >Phono-L mailing list >> >http://phono-l.org >> > >> >___ >> >Phono-L mailing list >> >http://phono-l.org >> >> >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.org > >___ >Phono-L mailing list >http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion
hi all the vogues are not at a 78 speed by bear so in one sense that is good zono In a message dated 1/25/2013 3:32:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, vinyl.visi...@live.com writes: These are from Lima, Peru and I believe they are made by the same guy who makes Victor six cabinets, columns, capitals, etc. - so good you can't tell the difference, especially in 10-20 years, when the finish ages. Judging by the quality of the horn in the pic, it will probably have a negative effect on the price of a good quality original Edison... I know that I wouldn't pay big bucks for one, when I can get one that looks just as good for this price. This is part of the same problem that devalued Vogue Picture discs, not just eBay, but when a company like Bear records in Germany reproduces Vogues and they look the same (except for a black edge) it devalues the originals. It's all about supply and demand - if someone provides an adequate supply, demand and price decrease... > Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 09:58:58 -0600 > From: b...@taney.com > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > Subject: [Phono-L] Opera Reproduction Horn Opinion > > Anyone have an opinion on these horns or know the origin? > http://www.ebay.com/itm/STUNNING-REPRODUCTION-MAHOGANY-WOOD-CYGNET-HORN-EDI > SON-OPERA-PHONOGRAPH-/28100366?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4170375b9 > e > Bill > On 1/25/13 9:17 AM, "Ron L'Herault" wrote: > > >Hi Mike, > > > >It is for a friend, Kirk, so I am forwarding your e-mail to him. Thanks, > > > >Ronald L'Herault > > > >Lab Supervisor, Biomaterials Division > >B.U. School of Dental Medicine > >801 Albany Street S203 > >Roxbury, MA 02119 > > > > > > > >-Original Message- > >From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] > >On > >Behalf Of Mike Tucker > >Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 1:17 AM > >To: phono-l@oldcrank.org > >Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison Eclipse governor > > > >Ron, > > > >What exactly do you need? > > > >The whole offset governor, the governor assembly with shaft or the > >governor > >assembly without shaft? > > > >The governor is a two ball type and uses the normal Edison governor disc > >and > >small end, but with two holes instead of 3 or 4. A 3 can be adjusted to > >suit > >and the governor springs are standard Edison springs as per Standards etc. > > > >Mike Tucker > > > >On 25/01/2013 2:32 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: > >> A good friend of mine needs a governor for an Eclipse. Did any other > >> Edison machines use this same governor? Anyone got one? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> > >> Ron L'Herault > >> > >> ___ > >> Phono-L mailing list > >> http://phono-l.org > >> > > > >___ > >Phono-L mailing list > >http://phono-l.org > > > >___ > >Phono-L mailing list > >http://phono-l.org > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
