[PHP] print() or echo

2007-02-13 Thread Danial Rahmanzadeh

is it true that echo is a bit faster than print()? in general, when we don't
need a return value, which one is better to choose?
Cheers,
Danial Rahmanzadeh


Re: [PHP] print() or echo

2007-02-13 Thread Robert Cummings
On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 19:19 +0330, Danial Rahmanzadeh wrote:
 is it true that echo is a bit faster than print()? in general, when we don't
 need a return value, which one is better to choose?

Yes, echo is faster than print. I would suggest echo over print since it
is shorter and faster :)

Cheers,
Rob.
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Re: [PHP] print() or echo

2007-02-13 Thread tg-php
As referenced in the manual ( http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.echo.php ), 
check out this url:
http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/view.phtml/aid/1/fid/40

Short story, there is a difference, but the speed difference is negligable.

If anyone cares, I prefer echo too.  Not sure why.  Shorter to type, old habits 
(coming more from a scripting background than a real programming background 
even though I've done some of that too), who knows?  Part of it may be the 
desire to have my code do what it needs to do and nothing more.  Print returns 
a value, which I don't use, so why would I want it to do that?   That's a 
little anal retentive, but every little bit helps I suppose, even if it's a 
negligable difference.

-TG

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On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 19:19 +0330, Danial Rahmanzadeh wrote:
 is it true that echo is a bit faster than print()? in general, when we don't
 need a return value, which one is better to choose?

Yes, echo is faster than print. I would suggest echo over print since it
is shorter and faster :)

Cheers,
Rob.
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Re: [PHP] print() or echo

2007-02-13 Thread tg-php
negligible.. blarg spelling.  :)

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As referenced in the manual ( http://us2.php.net/manual/en/function.echo.php ), 
check out this url:
http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/view.phtml/aid/1/fid/40

Short story, there is a difference, but the speed difference is negligable.

If anyone cares, I prefer echo too.  Not sure why.  Shorter to type, old habits 
(coming more from a scripting background than a real programming background 
even though I've done some of that too), who knows?  Part of it may be the 
desire to have my code do what it needs to do and nothing more.  Print returns 
a value, which I don't use, so why would I want it to do that?   That's a 
little anal retentive, but every little bit helps I suppose, even if it's a 
negligable difference.

-TG

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On Tue, 2007-02-13 at 19:19 +0330, Danial Rahmanzadeh wrote:
 is it true that echo is a bit faster than print()? in general, when we don't
 need a return value, which one is better to choose?

Yes, echo is faster than print. I would suggest echo over print since it
is shorter and faster :)

Cheers,
Rob.
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Re: [PHP] print() or echo

2007-02-13 Thread Satyam
echo is slightly faster than print and it takes multiple arguments so 
instead of:


echo 'p' . $test . '/p';

you can do

echo 'p' , $test , '/p';

which should be faster, and I say 'should' just because as print should be 
slower because it has to go into the trouble of setting up a return value, 
so avoiding doing a concatenation first and then output the whole thing by 
just streaming each of the pieces to the output straight away should be 
faster, though string operations are so optimized as to be neglig 
well, you can't tell the difference.


Satyam

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Re: [PHP] Print or Echo takes lots of time

2006-09-28 Thread Ivo F.A.C. Fokkema
On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:45:58 +1000, David Tulloh wrote:

 Google Kreme wrote:
 On 25 Sep 2006, at 06:11 , Sancar Saran wrote:
 ...
 
 If this is generating hundred of K of HTML, use ' instead of 
 
 (yes, it's faster).
 
 
 I've seen this stated several times and at first glance it seems to make
 sense.  The double quoted version has all the \n and related characters
 that need to be handled.
 
 Except that php is a C program and uses the printf family of functions.
  This means that all the single quoted strings actually have to be
 converted to escaped versions of double quoted strings, so internally
 '\n' becomes \\n.
 
 You can see this in some benchmarks, I ran the following script and a
 single quoted version from the command line.  I ran each 10 times,
 interleaved to try to balance changes in the system load.
 
 ?php
 $str=;
 for($i=0; $i1000; $i++)
 $str.=foo;
 ?
 
 I found that the double quoted version averaged 5.5516 seconds against
 the single quoted script of 5.5627.  Which really goes to show that
 while the double quoted version is faster the difference is almost
 completely irrelevent.

While we're at it (running benchmarks three times, varying amount of loops):

Benchmarking with 100K loops
Case 1 : 'Adding a 10-character single quoted string to a var'
Time   : 0.23s - 0.24s 
Case 2 : 'Adding a 10-character double quoted string to a var'
Time   : 0.23s - 0.24s 
Performance : Anywhere between Decreased 1.1% and Increased 26.7%

This seems really funny to me, cause I was under the impression a single
quoted string was faster... I remember benchmarking that before.



Benchmarking with 10K loops
Case 1 : 'Adding a 100-character single quoted string to a var'
Time   : 0.03s - 0.08s
Case 2 : 'Adding a 100-character double quoted string to a var'
Time   : 0.03s 
Performance : Anywhere between Increased 0.7% and Increased 66.9%

Still funny... and numbers get higher, too.



Benchmarking with 1M loops
Case 1 : 'Setting a var with a 100-character single quoted string'
Time   : 2.29s - 2.63s 
Case 2 : 'Setting a var with a 100-character double quoted string'
Time   : 2.53 - 2.78s 
Performance : Anywhere between Decreased 3.1% and Decreased 16.3%

Now this is probably what I saw previously and what made me decide using
single quotes where possible.



Benchmarking with 1M loops
Case 1 : 'Setting a var with a 100-character single quoted string incl. a 
variable (concat)'
Time   : 3.59s - 4.07s
Case 2 : 'Setting a var with a 100-character double quoted string incl. a 
variable'
Time   : 4.14s - 4.40s
Performance : Anywhere between Decreased 8.2% - Decreased 19.2%

Well, try not to use variables in a string, but concatenate it together.



Benchmarking with 1M loops
Case 1 : 'Setting a var with a 100-character double quoted string incl. a 
variable (concat)'
Time   : 3.58s - 3.79s
Case 2 : 'Setting a var with a 100-character double quoted string incl. a 
variable'
Time   : 4.12s - 5.24s
Performance : Anywhere between Decreased 14.9% - Decreased 38.4%

Same with using double quoted strings only...



Hey! It's coffee break already!

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Re: [PHP] Print or Echo takes lots of time

2006-09-27 Thread Richard Lynch
On Wed, September 27, 2006 3:37 am, Sancar Saran wrote:
 Thanks for supporting, because of approaching the problem I don't want
 to
 change generate once echo one style.

 And I found solution like this,
 I split  variable into an array and generate loop for printing, mostly
 fix the
 problem.

 And more interesting, some times problem repeates himself. I believe
 this was
 connected to php memory performance.

 Anyhow is there any information about optimal echo or print size ?

You could try to generate some stats to add to the pool of knowledge.

I suspect it's so tied to hardware, load, OS, bandwidth-pipesize that
all that has to be reported to be useful.

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Re: [PHP] Print or Echo takes lots of time

2006-09-26 Thread David Tulloh
Google Kreme wrote:
 On 25 Sep 2006, at 06:11 , Sancar Saran wrote:
 ...
 
 If this is generating hundred of K of HTML, use ' instead of 
 
 (yes, it's faster).
 

I've seen this stated several times and at first glance it seems to make
sense.  The double quoted version has all the \n and related characters
that need to be handled.

Except that php is a C program and uses the printf family of functions.
 This means that all the single quoted strings actually have to be
converted to escaped versions of double quoted strings, so internally
'\n' becomes \\n.

You can see this in some benchmarks, I ran the following script and a
single quoted version from the command line.  I ran each 10 times,
interleaved to try to balance changes in the system load.

?php
$str=;
for($i=0; $i1000; $i++)
$str.=foo;
?

I found that the double quoted version averaged 5.5516 seconds against
the single quoted script of 5.5627.  Which really goes to show that
while the double quoted version is faster the difference is almost
completely irrelevent.


David

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Re: [PHP] Print or Echo takes lots of time

2006-09-26 Thread Børge Holen
On Tuesday 26 September 2006 02:07, Robert Cummings wrote:
 On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 17:39 -0600, Google Kreme wrote:
  I'm sitting here with 4 Gigs of RAM trying to figure out how to use
  it all... :-)  (Me, in 2005)

 Not really related to the post... but I find a good way to eat up 4 gigs
 of RAM is to run several VMWare nodes :) Depending on what these nodes
 do, it can also be a great way to eat up those dual core processors :)

Forget 'bout em vmware stuff. Imagine putting those ramdisks to good use.



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Re: [PHP] Print or Echo takes lots of time

2006-09-26 Thread Richard Lynch
On Mon, September 25, 2006 7:11 am, Sancar Saran wrote:
 When I was check the performance of my system I found interesting
 resuts.

 My code stores html output into a variable. When page creation
 complete I
 printed out the variable.

 Problem was generation html code takes 0.5 second and just
 echo $strPage takes 2.0 or more second.

 my code structure was.

 $strPage = html yada dayda;
 ...
 $strPage.=  another html tags;
 ...
 $strPage.= getSqlDataAndCreateSomeHtmlCOde();
 ...
 end of page creation.
 Current Total execution time 0.5 seconds.
 print $strPage;
 Current Total execution time 2.5 seconds.

 $strPage carries entire html structure (for example equal of 100K html
 code);

 excluding the cookie and other kind of header transfers and error
 messages,
 there was no print or echo command was submitted.

 Is there any idea about this latency and any idea to find problem...

You could try echo-ing it out in chunks instead of waiting until the
very end.

echo/print has to send the data out through the very narrow pipe to
Apache - the browser

If you send every little snippet one tiny piece at a time, you waste
resources.

If you wait until the end and send out some huge monster string, you
waste resources.

Find the balance if you can.

Depends on your hardware/bandwidth exactly where optimum is.

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Re: [PHP] Print or Echo takes lots of time

2006-09-26 Thread Richard Lynch
On Tue, September 26, 2006 12:16 pm, Børge Holen wrote:
 On Tuesday 26 September 2006 02:07, Robert Cummings wrote:
 On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 17:39 -0600, Google Kreme wrote:
  I'm sitting here with 4 Gigs of RAM trying to figure out how to
 use
  it all... :-)  (Me, in 2005)

 Not really related to the post... but I find a good way to eat up 4
 gigs
 of RAM is to run several VMWare nodes :) Depending on what these
 nodes
 do, it can also be a great way to eat up those dual core processors
 :)

 Forget 'bout em vmware stuff. Imagine putting those ramdisks to good
 use.

I wonder what would happen if you put your swap on a RAM disk?

Wouldn't that be really fast?!

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Re: [PHP] Print or Echo takes lots of time

2006-09-26 Thread Curt Zirzow

On 9/26/06, Richard Lynch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Tue, September 26, 2006 12:16 pm, Børge Holen wrote:
 On Tuesday 26 September 2006 02:07, Robert Cummings wrote:
 On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 17:39 -0600, Google Kreme wrote:
  I'm sitting here with 4 Gigs of RAM trying to figure out how to
 use
  it all... :-)  (Me, in 2005)

 Not really related to the post... but I find a good way to eat up 4
 gigs
 of RAM is to run several VMWare nodes :) Depending on what these
 nodes
 do, it can also be a great way to eat up those dual core processors
 :)

 Forget 'bout em vmware stuff. Imagine putting those ramdisks to good
 use.

I wonder what would happen if you put your swap on a RAM disk?


I actually have done this, it works like a charm :)

you just have to ensure swap doesn't run out... of course i'd only
recomend this on a dedicated machine for like firewalling or a
gateway.

Curt

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Re: [PHP] Print or Echo takes lots of time

2006-09-26 Thread Richard Lynch
On Tue, September 26, 2006 6:35 pm, Curt Zirzow wrote:
 I wonder what would happen if you put your swap on a RAM disk?

 I actually have done this, it works like a charm :)

 you just have to ensure swap doesn't run out... of course i'd only
 recomend this on a dedicated machine for like firewalling or a
 gateway.

Like...

Wouldn't it just make more sense to not have swap at all?...

I mean, you can only be increasing overhead and whatnot...

I suppose if you just plain CANNOT build the system with no swap,
because the tools won't let you do that...

H.  Never tried to build a swap-less box, for obvious reasons...

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Re: [PHP] Print or Echo takes lots of time

2006-09-26 Thread Robert Cummings
On Tue, 2006-09-26 at 18:46 -0500, Richard Lynch wrote:
 On Tue, September 26, 2006 6:35 pm, Curt Zirzow wrote:
  I wonder what would happen if you put your swap on a RAM disk?
 
  I actually have done this, it works like a charm :)
 
  you just have to ensure swap doesn't run out... of course i'd only
  recomend this on a dedicated machine for like firewalling or a
  gateway.
 
 Like...
 
 Wouldn't it just make more sense to not have swap at all?...
 
 I mean, you can only be increasing overhead and whatnot...
 
 I suppose if you just plain CANNOT build the system with no swap,
 because the tools won't let you do that...
 
 H.  Never tried to build a swap-less box, for obvious reasons...

*lol* I was gonna say, why the hell would anyone make swap into a
ramdisk when the memory used for the ramdisk would be better used as
primary RAM. I presumed you were joking Richard which you clarify above,
but Curtis now has me wondering :B The only time I'd use a ramdisk for
swap is if I had the extra cash to shell out for one of the pretend hard
drives that really map to RAM... like this sucker:

http://www.shoprbc.com/ca/shop/product_details.php?pid=13968

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Fwd: Re: [PHP] Print or Echo takes lots of time

2006-09-26 Thread Børge Holen


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Date: Wednesday 27 September 2006 06:37
From: Børge Holen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Wednesday 27 September 2006 01:46, Richard Lynch wrote:
 On Tue, September 26, 2006 6:35 pm, Curt Zirzow wrote:
  I wonder what would happen if you put your swap on a RAM disk?
 
  I actually have done this, it works like a charm :)
 
  you just have to ensure swap doesn't run out... of course i'd only
  recomend this on a dedicated machine for like firewalling or a
  gateway.

 Like...

 Wouldn't it just make more sense to not have swap at all?...

 I mean, you can only be increasing overhead and whatnot...

 I suppose if you just plain CANNOT build the system with no swap,
 because the tools won't let you do that...

 H.  Never tried to build a swap-less box, for obvious reasons...

I've done that since '01.
Never any occurences (witch WILL happen whenever you run out). Of course
 never on a production machine, but my desktop and laptop sure got none.

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[PHP] Print or Echo takes lots of time

2006-09-25 Thread Sancar Saran
Hi,

When I was check the performance of my system I found interesting resuts.

My code stores html output into a variable. When page creation complete I 
printed out the variable.

Problem was generation html code takes 0.5 second and just 
echo $strPage takes 2.0 or more second.

my code structure was.

$strPage = html yada dayda;
...
$strPage.=  another html tags;
...
$strPage.= getSqlDataAndCreateSomeHtmlCOde();
...
end of page creation. 
Current Total execution time 0.5 seconds.
print $strPage;
Current Total execution time 2.5 seconds.

$strPage carries entire html structure (for example equal of 100K html code);

excluding the cookie and other kind of header transfers and error messages, 
there was no print or echo command was submitted.

Is there any idea about this latency and any idea to find problem...

Regards

Sancar Saran

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Re: [PHP] Print or Echo takes lots of time

2006-09-25 Thread Google Kreme

On 25 Sep 2006, at 06:11 , Sancar Saran wrote:

$strPage = html yada dayda;
...
$strPage.=  another html tags;
...
$strPage.= getSqlDataAndCreateSomeHtmlCOde();


If this is generating hundred of K of HTML, use ' instead of 

(yes, it's faster).

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Re: [PHP] Print or Echo takes lots of time

2006-09-25 Thread Robert Cummings
On Mon, 2006-09-25 at 17:39 -0600, Google Kreme wrote:

 I'm sitting here with 4 Gigs of RAM trying to figure out how to use  
 it all... :-)  (Me, in 2005)

Not really related to the post... but I find a good way to eat up 4 gigs
of RAM is to run several VMWare nodes :) Depending on what these nodes
do, it can also be a great way to eat up those dual core processors :)

Cheers,
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[PHP] print and echo

2001-04-23 Thread Wade

What's the difference between these two and is there a preference in which
one to use?

-Wade



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RE: [PHP] print and echo

2001-04-23 Thread Angerer, Chad

This has been answered several times I think 

check here

http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/view.phtml/aid/1/fid/40

CAA

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What's the difference between these two and is there a preference in which
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-Wade



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Re: [PHP] print and echo

2001-04-23 Thread Wade

Thank you!

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 This has been answered several times I think

 check here

 http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/view.phtml/aid/1/fid/40

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[PHP] Print or Echo.

2001-04-06 Thread Sterling

H-

Just a quick question. 

Is there any difference between using print or echo? 

From what I have read and seen there isn't any. 
Than why the two different commands? 

Thanks. 
-Sterling

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Re: [PHP] Print or Echo.

2001-04-06 Thread Joe Stump

 Than why the two different commands? 

Simple - some people come from C which uses print ... others come from languages
that use echo. It fosters adaptation by other programmers.

--Joe


 
 Thanks. 
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RE: [PHP] Print or Echo.

2001-04-06 Thread Jeff Oien

 H-
 
 Just a quick question. 
 
 Is there any difference between using print or echo? 
 
 From what I have read and seen there isn't any. 
 Than why the two different commands? 
 
 Thanks. 
 -Sterling

See this:
http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.print.php

"As for a print vs. echo, echo gives you more options, 
such as being able to continue output on multiple lines 
like an EOT in perl. Look at the above notes. With print 
you would not be able to accomplish this."

Jeff Oien

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Re: [PHP] Print or Echo.

2001-04-06 Thread Alexander Wagner

Jeff Oien wrote:
 "As for a print vs. echo, echo gives you more options,
 such as being able to continue output on multiple lines
 like an EOT in perl. Look at the above notes. With print
 you would not be able to accomplish this."

There's another difference. print() returns true on success and false 
when called after a connection abort. Echo doesn't, and that's why it's 
slightly (very slightly) faster.

regards
Wagner

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Re: [PHP] Print or Echo.

2001-04-06 Thread Philip Olson

See this faq :

  What is the difference between echo and print?
  ---
  http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/view.phtml/aid/1/fid/40

regards,
philip

On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Sterling wrote:

 H-
 
 Just a quick question. 
 
 Is there any difference between using print or echo? 
 
 From what I have read and seen there isn't any. 
 Than why the two different commands? 
 
 Thanks. 
 -Sterling
 
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RE: [PHP] Print or Echo.

2001-04-06 Thread Jason Lotito



 -Original Message-
 From: Alexander Wagner [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:24 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cc: PHP
 Subject: Re: [PHP] Print or Echo.
 
 
 Jeff Oien wrote:
  "As for a print vs. echo, echo gives you more options,
  such as being able to continue output on multiple lines
  like an EOT in perl. Look at the above notes. With print
  you would not be able to accomplish this."
 
 There's another difference. print() returns true on success and false 
 when called after a connection abort. Echo doesn't, and that's why it's 
 slightly (very slightly) faster.
 
 regards
 Wagner
 


http://www.e-gineer.com/articles/php-hackers-paradise.phtml

More details here on Print/Echo/Inline

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[PHP] Print vs. Echo

2001-01-18 Thread Karl J. Stubsjoen

What is the basic difference between print and echo?  As I am understanding
it, Echo allows you to define a multi-line area to output text without
having to repeat quoting for each line but then what is the advantage of
print?

Thanks!


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Re: [PHP] Print vs. Echo

2001-01-18 Thread Philip Olson


Have a look here :

What is the difference between echo and print?:
---
http://www.faqts.com/knowledge_base/view.phtml/aid/1/fid/41


Philip

On Thu, 18 Jan 2001, Karl J. Stubsjoen wrote:

 What is the basic difference between print and echo?  As I am understanding
 it, Echo allows you to define a multi-line area to output text without
 having to repeat quoting for each line but then what is the advantage of
 print?
 
 Thanks!
 
 
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