Sorry for the Double Posting.

2014-09-28 Thread Finkelman, Paul 
Sorry for the double posting.  Apparently the list-serve copy of my posting 
went to spam.  What does that tell us about spam filters when they reject your 
own postings!


Paul Finkelman
Scholar-in-Residence
National Constitution Center


From: Marc Stern 
To: "religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu" ; Law & Religion 
issues for Law Academics ; 
"religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu" 
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:24 PM
Subject:


Today's NY Times Review section has an article by a professor of evolutionary 
biology at a public university describing a lecture he gives annually 
explaining how that body of science ‎ has undermined central claims of 
religious traditions.

Is it constitutional for him to give this lecture? Would it be constitutional 
for a professor of theology at the same university to offer a rebuttal in 
religious terms?

Marc
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network.
From: Rick Garnett
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 10:43 AM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Reply To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: Re: GW National Religious Freedom Moot Court Competition


Dear Chip,

Thanks for this.  I'm hoping that Notre Dame will send a team again.  All the 
best,

Rick

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Director, Program on Church, State & Society
Notre Dame Law School
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On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Ira Lupu 
mailto:icl...@law.gwu.edu>> wrote:
George Washington University will once again host the National Religious 
Freedom Moot Court Competition, presented by the J. Reuben Clark Law Society. 
The registration period is open from now until Nov. 15, 2014.  The problem will 
be released on Nov. 17, 2014.  The competition will be held at GW on 
Friday-Saturday, Feb. 6-7, 2015. The 2015 problem involves claims of conscience 
raised by teachers against a hypothetical law in Washington, D.C. that requires 
teachers and administrators to carry firearms on public school property during 
school hours.  More information here: http://www.religionmootcourt.org/  
(Ignore the Feb, 2014 dates at the top of the website).

--
Ira C. Lupu
F. Elwood & Eleanor Davis Professor of Law, Emeritus
George Washington University Law School
2000 H St., NW
Washington, DC 20052
(202)994-7053
Co-author (with Professor Robert Tuttle) of "Secular Government, Religious 
People" ( Wm. B. Eerdmans Pub. Co., 2014))
My SSRN papers are here:
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=181272#reg

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Science Lecture

2014-09-28 Thread Finkelman, Paul 
[I posted this earlier but it does not look llike it was put up so I am 
resending it.]

Obviously yes, and yes.  How could it be otherwise?  If it is "no" or no and 
no, then we have lost all ability to have free intellectual inquiry.  It would 
not be proper (I am not sure if it would be constitutional) for either to 
proselytize and it would certainly be improper to grade on religious belief.

Indeed, its strikes me that this would be a great setting for a team taught 
interdisciplinary course.

The only question is whether they teach "theology" at the university.  Some 
state universities don't even teach religion (or at least they used to now 
teach it.

Paul Finkelman
Scholar-in-Residence
National Constitution Center
and
Senior Fellow
Penn Program on Democracy, Citizenship, and Constitutionalism
University of Pennsylvania


*


From: religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu [religionlaw-boun...@lists.ucla.edu] 
on behalf of Marc Stern [ste...@ajc.org]
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:24 PM
To: religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu; Law & Religion issues for Law Academics; 
religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu
Subject:


Today's NY Times Review section has an article by a professor of evolutionary 
biology at a public university describing a lecture he gives annually 
explaining how that body of science ‎ has undermined central claims of 
religious traditions.

Is it constitutional for him to give this lecture? Would it be constitutional 
for a professor of theology at the same university to offer a rebuttal in 
religious terms?

Marc
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network.
From: Rick Garnett
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 10:43 AM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Reply To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: Re: GW National Religious Freedom Moot Court Competition


Dear Chip,

Thanks for this.  I'm hoping that Notre Dame will send a team again.  All the 
best,

Rick


Richard W. Garnett

Professor of Law and Concurrent Professor of Political Science

Director, Program on Church, State & Society

Notre Dame Law School

P.O. Box 780

Notre Dame, Indiana 46556-0780

574-631-6981 (w)

574-276-2252 (cell)

rgarn...@nd.edu



To download my scholarly papers, please visit my SSRN 
page



Blogs:



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On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Ira Lupu 
mailto:icl...@law.gwu.edu>> wrote:
George Washington University will once again host the National Religious 
Freedom Moot Court Competition, presented by the J. Reuben Clark Law Society. 
The registration period is open from now until Nov. 15, 2014.  The problem will 
be released on Nov. 17, 2014.  The competition will be held at GW on 
Friday-Saturday, Feb. 6-7, 2015. The 2015 problem involves claims of conscience 
raised by teachers against a hypothetical law in Washington, D.C. that requires 
teachers and administrators to carry firearms on public school property during 
school hours.  More information here: http://www.religionmootcourt.org/  
(Ignore the Feb, 2014 dates at the top of the website).

--
Ira C. Lupu
F. Elwood & Eleanor Davis Professor of Law, Emeritus
George Washington University Law School
2000 H St., NW
Washington, DC 20052
(202)994-7053
Co-author (with Professor Robert Tuttle) of "Secular Government, Religious 
People" ( Wm. B. Eerdmans Pub. Co., 2014))
My SSRN papers are here:
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=181272#reg

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Re: science professor lecture

2014-09-28 Thread Marty Lederman 
Well, I assumed Marc's question started from the premise that such a
lecture would be very constitutionally dubious, at a minimum, if it
occurred in primary or secondary school, and then was asking if and why the
constitutional analysis would change in a public college setting . . .

On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 9:39 PM, Steven Jamar  wrote:

> How would it not be constitutional? What possible theory?
>
> On Sep 28, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Marc Stern  wrote:
>
>
>  Today's NY Times Review section has an article by a professor of
> evolutionary biology at a public university describing a lecture he gives
> annually explaining how that body of science ‎ has undermined central
> claims of religious traditions.
>
>  Is it constitutional for him to give this lecture? Would it be
> constitutional for a professor of theology at the same university to offer
> a rebuttal in religious terms?
>
>  Marc
>  Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE
> network.
>*From: *Rick Garnett
> *Sent: *Friday, September 26, 2014 10:43 AM
> *To: *Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
> *Reply To: *Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
> *Subject: *Re: GW National Religious Freedom Moot Court Competition
>
>  Dear Chip,
>
>  Thanks for this.  I'm hoping that Notre Dame will send a team again.
> All the best,
>
>  Rick
>
>  Richard W. Garnett
> Professor of Law and Concurrent Professor of Political Science
> Director, Program on Church, State & Society
> Notre Dame Law School
> P.O. Box 780
> Notre Dame, Indiana 46556-0780
> 574-631-6981 (w)
> 574-276-2252 (cell)
> rgarn...@nd.edu
>
>
> To download my scholarly papers, please visit my SSRN page
> 
>
>
> Blogs:
>
>
> Prawfsblawg 
> Mirror of Justice 
>
>
>
> Twitter:  @RickGarnett 
>
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Ira Lupu  wrote:
>
>>  George Washington University will once again host the National
>> Religious Freedom Moot Court Competition, presented by the J. Reuben Clark
>> Law Society. The registration period is open from now until Nov. 15, 2014.
>> The problem will be released on Nov. 17, 2014.  The competition will be
>> held at GW on Friday-Saturday, Feb. 6-7, 2015. The 2015 problem involves
>> claims of conscience raised by teachers against a hypothetical law in
>> Washington, D.C. that requires teachers and administrators to carry
>> firearms on public school property during school hours.  More
>> information here: http://www.religionmootcourt.org/  (Ignore the Feb,
>> 2014 dates at the top of the website).
>>
>>  --
>> Ira C. Lupu
>> F. Elwood & Eleanor Davis Professor of Law, Emeritus
>> George Washington University Law School
>> 2000 H St., NW
>> Washington, DC 20052
>> (202)994-7053
>> Co-author (with Professor Robert Tuttle) of "Secular Government,
>> Religious People" ( Wm. B. Eerdmans Pub. Co., 2014))
>> My SSRN papers are here:
>> http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=181272#reg
>>
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Re: science professor lecture

2014-09-28 Thread Steven Jamar 
How would it not be constitutional? What possible theory?

On Sep 28, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Marc Stern  wrote:

> 
> Today's NY Times Review section has an article by a professor of evolutionary 
> biology at a public university describing a lecture he gives annually 
> explaining how that body of science ‎ has undermined central claims of 
> religious traditions.  
> 
> Is it constitutional for him to give this lecture? Would it be constitutional 
> for a professor of theology at the same university to offer a rebuttal in 
> religious terms?
> 
> Marc
> Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network.
> From: Rick Garnett
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 10:43 AM
> To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
> Reply To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
> Subject: Re: GW National Religious Freedom Moot Court Competition
> 
> Dear Chip,
> 
> Thanks for this.  I'm hoping that Notre Dame will send a team again.  All the 
> best,
> 
> Rick
> 
> Richard W. Garnett
> Professor of Law and Concurrent Professor of Political Science
> Director, Program on Church, State & Society
> Notre Dame Law School
> P.O. Box 780
> Notre Dame, Indiana 46556-0780
> 574-631-6981 (w)
> 574-276-2252 (cell)
> rgarn...@nd.edu
>  
> To download my scholarly papers, please visit my SSRN page
>  
> Blogs:
>  
> Prawfsblawg
> Mirror of Justice
>  
> 
> Twitter:  @RickGarnett
> 
> On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Ira Lupu  wrote:
> George Washington University will once again host the National Religious 
> Freedom Moot Court Competition, presented by the J. Reuben Clark Law Society. 
> The registration period is open from now until Nov. 15, 2014.  The problem 
> will be released on Nov. 17, 2014.  The competition will be held at GW on 
> Friday-Saturday, Feb. 6-7, 2015. The 2015 problem involves claims of 
> conscience raised by teachers against a hypothetical law in Washington, D.C. 
> that requires teachers and administrators to carry firearms on public school 
> property during school hours.  More information here: 
> http://www.religionmootcourt.org/  (Ignore the Feb, 2014 dates at the top of 
> the website).
> 
> -- 
> Ira C. Lupu
> F. Elwood & Eleanor Davis Professor of Law, Emeritus
> George Washington University Law School
> 2000 H St., NW 
> Washington, DC 20052
> (202)994-7053
> Co-author (with Professor Robert Tuttle) of "Secular Government, Religious 
> People" ( Wm. B. Eerdmans Pub. Co., 2014))
> My SSRN papers are here:
> http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=181272#reg
> 
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lecture

2014-09-28 Thread Paul Finkelman 
Obviously yes, and yes.  How could it be otherwise.  If it is "no" or no and 
no, then we have lost all ability to have free intellectual inquiry.  It would 
not be proper (I am not sure if it would be constitutional) for either to 
proselytize and it would certainly be improper to grad on religious belief.

Indeed, its strikes me that this would be a great setting for a team taught 
interdisciplinary course. 


The only question is whether they teach "theology" at the university.  Some 
state universities don't even teach religion (or at least they used to now 
teach it.

Paul Finkelman
Scholar-in-Residence
National Constitution Center




 From: Marc Stern 
To: "religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu" ; Law & Religion 
issues for Law Academics ; 
"religionlaw@lists.ucla.edu"  
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 5:24 PM
Subject: 
 




Today's NY Times Review section has an article by a professor of evolutionary 
biology at a public university describing a lecture he gives annually 
explaining how that body of science ‎ has undermined central claims of 
religious traditions.  

Is it constitutional for him to give this lecture? Would it be constitutional 
for a professor of theology at the same university to offer a rebuttal in 
religious terms?

Marc
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network.
From: Rick Garnett
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 10:43 AM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Reply To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: Re: GW National Religious Freedom Moot Court Competition 

Dear Chip, 

Thanks for this.  I'm hoping that Notre Dame will send a team again.  All the 
best,

Rick


Richard W. Garnett
Professor of Law and Concurrent Professor of Political Science
Director, Program on Church, State & Society
Notre Dame Law School
P.O. Box 780
Notre Dame, Indiana 46556-0780
574-631-6981 (w)
574-276-2252 (cell)
rgarn...@nd.edu
 
To download my scholarly papers, please visit my SSRN page
 
Blogs:
 
Prawfsblawg
Mirror of Justice
 
Twitter:  @RickGarnett

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Ira Lupu  wrote:

George Washington University will once again host the National Religious 
Freedom Moot Court Competition, presented by the J. Reuben Clark Law Society. 
The registration period is open from now until Nov. 15, 2014.  The problem will 
be released on Nov. 17, 2014.  The competition will be held at GW on 
Friday-Saturday, Feb. 6-7, 2015. The 2015 problem involves claims of conscience 
raised by teachers against a hypothetical law in Washington, D.C. that requires 
teachers and administrators to carry firearms on public school property during 
school hours.  More information here: http://www.religionmootcourt.org/  
(Ignore the Feb, 2014 dates at the top of the website).
>
-- 
>
>Ira C. Lupu
>F. Elwood & Eleanor Davis Professor of Law, Emeritus
>George Washington University Law School
>2000 H St., NW 
>Washington, DC 20052
>(202)994-7053 
>Co-author (with Professor Robert Tuttle) of "Secular Government, Religious 
>People" ( Wm. B. Eerdmans Pub. Co., 2014))
>My SSRN papers are here:
>http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=181272#reg
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[no subject]

2014-09-28 Thread Marc Stern 

Today's NY Times Review section has an article by a professor of evolutionary 
biology at a public university describing a lecture he gives annually 
explaining how that body of science ‎ has undermined central claims of 
religious traditions.

Is it constitutional for him to give this lecture? Would it be constitutional 
for a professor of theology at the same university to offer a rebuttal in 
religious terms?

Marc
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone on the Verizon Wireless 4G LTE network.
From: Rick Garnett
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 10:43 AM
To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Reply To: Law & Religion issues for Law Academics
Subject: Re: GW National Religious Freedom Moot Court Competition


Dear Chip,

Thanks for this.  I'm hoping that Notre Dame will send a team again.  All the 
best,

Rick


Richard W. Garnett

Professor of Law and Concurrent Professor of Political Science

Director, Program on Church, State & Society

Notre Dame Law School

P.O. Box 780

Notre Dame, Indiana 46556-0780

574-631-6981 (w)

574-276-2252 (cell)

rgarn...@nd.edu



To download my scholarly papers, please visit my SSRN 
page



Blogs:



Prawfsblawg

Mirror of Justice



Twitter:  @RickGarnett

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 4:34 PM, Ira Lupu 
mailto:icl...@law.gwu.edu>> wrote:
George Washington University will once again host the National Religious 
Freedom Moot Court Competition, presented by the J. Reuben Clark Law Society. 
The registration period is open from now until Nov. 15, 2014.  The problem will 
be released on Nov. 17, 2014.  The competition will be held at GW on 
Friday-Saturday, Feb. 6-7, 2015. The 2015 problem involves claims of conscience 
raised by teachers against a hypothetical law in Washington, D.C. that requires 
teachers and administrators to carry firearms on public school property during 
school hours.  More information here: http://www.religionmootcourt.org/  
(Ignore the Feb, 2014 dates at the top of the website).

--
Ira C. Lupu
F. Elwood & Eleanor Davis Professor of Law, Emeritus
George Washington University Law School
2000 H St., NW
Washington, DC 20052
(202)994-7053
Co-author (with Professor Robert Tuttle) of "Secular Government, Religious 
People" ( Wm. B. Eerdmans Pub. Co., 2014))
My SSRN papers are here:
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/cf_dev/AbsByAuth.cfm?per_id=181272#reg

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