[Biofuel] FFA testing in the acid part of the Foolproof process

2004-09-24 Thread Joe . Guthrie





Hi All,

I have been fooling around with the Foolproof process and have a few 
questions/observations. I do not get an emulsion when I add the alcohol to the
WVO.  I am using store bought denatured alcohol which is quite dry by my tests, 
and seems to have 10 to 20% methanol in it.

I have gotten plenty of soap in the final fuel even after a good separation of 
glycerin.  I know there is plenty of FFA in my starting oil.  Is there
a test to determine if the acid stage is working or how far along the 
esterification is.?  I did the shake with water test and the original oil
becomes a milkshake. The acid stage product separates quickly but is murky.

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[Biofuel] The ultimate bidiesel workshop class

2004-09-24 Thread rlbarber

Folks,

Iowa State University (USA) will host a biodiesel workshop conference the
end of October.

It is five days long and covers everything from start to finish.

Here is the link to the workshop class:
http://www.me.iastate.edu/biodiesel/

Here is the link to the daily schedule of topics:
http://www.ucs.iastate.edu/mnet/biodiesel04/home.html

For Americans that joke about Iowa being a 'flyover' state, drop down and
enjoy real hospitality!

From the heartland of grain growing and the future world center of ethanol
and biodiesel production!!!...

Ron B.

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[Biofuel] replacement diesel engine

2004-09-24 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Hi,

There has been some talk on this list a while back about small cubic image
replacement engine for American cars, but I was wondering does anyone make
them for foreign cars? I would like to a diesel in a mazda 626 or toyota
camry. I really didn't spend much time looking, but are there options to
do this?

Thanks,
Al

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RE: [Biofuel] China's Energy Crisis Blankets Hong Kong in Smog

2004-09-24 Thread dermot

The report on the viability of nuclear energy below may answer your
question.

http://www.oprit.rug.nl/deenen/

Regards
Dermot




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Ken Provost
Sent: 20 September 2004 00:09
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] China's Energy Crisis Blankets Hong Kong in Smog



 China faces a chronic energy shortage and making the switch from
 coal-fired plants to cleaner fuel is costly and disruptive.


 Electricity provider CLP Holdings, which steadily reduced its
 emission of pollutants in the 1990s, reversed progress last year by
 burning 50 percent more coal than in 2002 and cutting its use of gas,
 a cleaner fuel.

 Reserves in the South China Sea gas field on which it relied were
 overestimated, forcing it to burn more coal to meet rising demand
 here and in China but CLP said it would maintain a balanced fuel mix
 of coal, gas and nuclear in the long run.



Fascinating to me, especially having just finished Richard Heinberg's
new book Powerdown -- Options and Actions for a Post-Carbon World.

A technical question about nuclear (I'm sure this group has SEVERAL
people who know the answer -- pardon my ignorance :-)):

Does a nuclear power plant need constant replacement of spent fuel rods,
or do you just load it up once, and then it keeps going for 20-30
years with no additional inputs?

The answer makes a big difference when conditions may be very different in
20-30 years

-K



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Re: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZ

2004-09-24 Thread Ken Riznyk

What's this washed ceramic filter? The links I read
about making biodiesel don't say anything about
filtering.

Ken
--- Jan Lieuwe Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 That sounds reasonable but what causes this wax
 component, Is this
 unsufficient washing?
 
 JLB
 - Original Message -
 From: Buck Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 12:24 AM
 Subject: RE: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel ZZ
 
 
 
  it soudnss almosst as if you have soome wax
 componednt theat comes out at
  jusst that top of the fence temp, few degreess
 either way, i migh chill a
  small sample, run it thru a washed ceramic filter
 the try to figureee from
  ther, buck
 
  From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel
  Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2004 07:36:39 +0900
  
  Another problem email. I hope we'll sort this out
 soon. - Keith
  
  
  From: Jan Lieuwe Bolding
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Subject: Fw: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel
  Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2004 21:29:32 +0200
  
  
  - Original Message -
  From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Jan Lieuwe
 Bolding
  To:

mailto:biofuel@yahoogroups.combiofuel@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 2004 11:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel
  
  I have seen clear Bio-Diesel from the Awwcid -
 Base proces getting
  cloudy(hazy) when I mix It with regular Diesel
 when I want to produce B20
  or higher.
  
  When I heat It to approx 40 °C or filtrate with
 Seitz K1000
  filtrationplates It becomes clear again. I have
 determined the
  water-content of the BD with a Karl Fisher
 titrator to be approx. 0.3%.
  
  My theory is that a component of the BD is not
 solluable in regular
 Diesel
  and by mixing them can be filtered out, because
 by adding more BD It gets
  cloudy again and by adding more regular Diesel It
 stays clear.
  
  Can someone confirm this theory?
  
  
  
  Jan Lieuwe Bolding
  Chemical Engineer
  
  
  The Netherlands
  
  - Original Message -
  From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Greg
 Harbican
  To:

mailto:biofuel@yahoogroups.combiofuel@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 11:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel
  
  It warmed up, and, what ever it was that was
 making it cloudy went back
 in
  to solution.   My guess is that you didn't have a
 complete reaction, I
 say
  this because of your low PH, if I remember right,
 good BioDiesel has a
 near
  neutral Ph ( 7 ).
  
  Did you let it cool down and if so did it become
 cloudy again?
  
  Greg H.
 - Original Message -
 From: Jeff
 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 13:02
 Subject: [biofuel] Cloudy Biodiesel
  
  
  I wonder why it stayed cloudy untill it sat
 in the sun for a couple
 of
  minutes. Any ideas?
  
 Jeff
  
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Re: [Biofuel] Changing Government Agendas -was: Kerry preferredaround World - Poll

2004-09-24 Thread Ken Riznyk

I guess I have to eat crow here. It's good to know,
now I can respond to all the pronuclear engineers who
keep on complaining about the negative net energy loss
of producing ethanol.

Ken
--- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Thank you Ron for your reply.  I read a news
 article at
  one of your links that has been mentioned here
 before about
  US Corn-Ethanol averaging 67% net energy according
 to a recent
  US gov't report upping it from 34% previously or
 was it 36%. 
  Additional information is welcomed. 
 
 
  Net Energy Value of Ethanol Increases, Says USDA 
  Jun 10, 2004 
  Newswire, National Corn Growers Association 
 

http://www.cornandsoybeandigest.com/news/EthanolValue/
 




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Re: [Biofuel] cloudy Biodiesel...

2004-09-24 Thread Legal Eagle

If it looks like crystalised jello then it is residual glycerine IMO. Why
are you using vinegar ? That has usually been suggested for breaking
emulsions, but if you  have a complete reaction then you shouldn't need
vinegar in the wash. Prior to using vinegar try the quality wash test, found
here:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality

Luc
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Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 1:00 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] cloudy Biodiesel...






 Hi,

 I have been making some small trial batches of Biodiesel, and had pretty
 good success.. nice reaction, clear fuel, then refined with washing etc
 (water and vinegar).. still nice and clear..

 however, I notice that when I made a large batch (approx. 175 litres) the
 fuel at the bottom (after I had removed the glycerine from the tank)
 appeared to have some sort of crystals at the bottom of the container,
that
 looked a little like miso soup.. cloudy at the bottom, clear at the top..

 the crystals (I'll call them that, given that's what they look like - I
 doubt they *are* crystals)  dissolve back into the fuel, when the fuel is
 warmed.. I thought this might be the normal higher cloud point of
 Biodiesel...but they re-appear when the fuel is back to normal room
 temperature.

 just wondering if anyone has seen this too.. or could provide an idea as
to
 the cause.

 many thanks in advance..

 regards,

 Paul.
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Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate - solar.

2004-09-24 Thread Joe . Guthrie





Hi All, Check out ice caves on the web.   There are many in the US and probably 
around the world.  They are natural north facing holes with the
correct angle and moisture conditions to have ice in them all year around.  By 
adding a little intelligence to the design and proper doors that shut
at the right times you could have your ownMaxwell's demon could 
work for a cool room, even in Texas.

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Re: [Biofuel] Slogan

2004-09-24 Thread Bill Clark

Hi All,

I haven't kept up on this thread so this may have already been suggested.

Biodiesel is for Life

As we say in Alabama, Keep on keepin' on.

Bill Clark
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From: subramanian D.V [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 2:17 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Slogan


 Mr. Keith,

 Would  junk the wars ( or warmongers) for ever make a better slogan for
a sticker?

 Regards,

 Mani


 Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 9/18/04 2:20 PM, Jeff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Fossils Fuels are Extinct While Biodiesel is Alive and Growing!
  
   Is this a better one?
  
   Jeff
 
 Still too long, but I'd put a bumper sticker on
 my Beetle TDI that just said Fossil Fuels are Extinct.

 That's good Ken! It hits home and it's a teaser, it'd get at least
 some people thinking about what isn't extinct, maybe starting to ask
 questions.

 Reminds me of my old War is Obsolete sticker -K

 Hasten the day when you can put one there saying Warmongers are
 Obsolete and it's just a superfluous statement of fact rather than a
 goal.

 Regards

 Keith

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Re: [Biofuel] Bin Laden

2004-09-24 Thread Ken Provost

on 9/21/04 1:08 AM, Doug Foskey at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I was told today that Usama bin Laden had his name changed to the current
 spelling after the 9/11 attacks, due to the possibility of accidently
 inferring from his first name a relevance to a country: Have others heard
 this?
 



My guess is he probly spells his name in Arabic letters
rather than Roman letters, and doesn't care much how we
transliterate it

-K

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[Biofuel] Cold Weather Study on Soy Biodiesel

2004-09-24 Thread Legal Eagle

PDF file

http://www.mda.state.mn.us/ams/biodieselfinal.pdf
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Re: [Biofuel] Kerry preferred around World - Poll

2004-09-24 Thread Hakan Falk


Wayne,

You have to work on your understanding of the world and systems. Socialism 
as system and idea is quite more democratic and respectful to human rights 
than the traditional US republican ideal. I hope that Bush is not 
necessarily representative for US way of life, it is at least not my 
experiences and it would be quite frightening if he was. Looking at 
numbers, he cannot claim to represent even half of the US population.


So your opinion is not representative for US nor the majority of the US 
population and we should be very grateful for that.


Hakan


At 12:01 AM 9/15/2004, you wrote:

Since most of the world is more socialist than
democratic and does not like the US way of life in the
first place, of course they would want the candidate
that would be most destructive to the US.

Just my opinion!
Wayne

--- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Most countries want Kerry in White House
  Sep 9, 2004


http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_9-9-2004_pg4_2


  WASHINGTON: A majority of people in 30 of 35
 countries want Democratic
  party flagbearer John Kerry in the White House,
 according to a survey
  released Wednesday showing US President George W
 Bush rebuffed by
  all of America's traditional allies.

  On average, Senator Kerry was favored by more than
 a two-to-one margin
  - 46 percent to 20 percent, the survey by GlobeScan
 Inc, a global
  research firm, and the local University of
 Maryland, showed.

  Only one in five want to see Bush reelected, said
 Steven Kull,
  the university's program on international policy
 attitudes.
  Though he is not as well known, Kerry would win
 handily if
  the people of the world were to elect the US
 president.

  The only countries where Bush was preferred in the
 poll covering
  a total of 34,330 people and conducted in July and
 August were
  the Philippines, Nigeria and Poland.  India and
 Thailand were
  divided.

  The margin of error in the survey covering all
 regions of the
  world ranged from plus or minus 2.3 to five
 percent.

  Kerry was strongly preferred among all of America's
 traditional allies,
  including Norway (74 percent compared with Bush's
 seven percent),
  Germany (74 percent to 10 percent), France (64
 percent to five percent),
  the Netherlands (63 percent to six percent), Italy
 (58 percent to 14 percent)
  and Spain (45 percent to seven percent).

  Even in Britain, where Prime Minister Tony Blair is
 Bush's closest ally
  in the war on terror, Kerry trounced the incumbent
 47 percent to 16 percent.

  Kerry was also greatly favored among Canadians by
 61 percent to Bush's 16 percent
  and among the Japanese by 43 percent to 23 percent.
 Even among countries that have
  contributed troops to Iraq, most favored Kerry, and
 said that their view of US
  foreign policy has gotten worse under Bush.

  They included Britain, the Czech Republic, Italy,
 the Netherlands, the
  Dominican Republic, Thailand, Kazakhstan, Japan,
 Norway and Spain.

  Asked how President Bush's foreign policy had
 affected their feelings towards
  the United States, a majority of those polled in 31
 countries said it made them
  feel worse about America, while those in only
 three countries said it had made
  them feel better.

  Perhaps most sobering for Americans is the
 strength of the view that
  US foreign policy is on the wrong track, even in
 countries contributing
  troops in Iraq, said GlobeScan President Doug
 Miller.

  In Europe, the exception for Bush was a new ally,
 Polland, where he was
  preferred by a narrow majority of 31 percent
 against Kerry's 26 percent.
  Another new European ally, the Czech Republic,
 however went for Kerry
  (42 percent to Bush's 18 percent) as did Sweden (58
 percent to 10 percent).

  Asia was the most mixed region, though Kerry still
 did better.
  Aside from enjoying a large margin in Japan, he was
 preferred by
  clear majorities in China (52 percent to Bush's 12
 percent) and
  Indonesia (57 percent to 34 percent).  But those
 polled were
  divided in India (Kerry 34 percent, Bush 33
 percent) and
  Thailand (Kerry 30 percent, Bush 33 percent).

  Latin Americans went for Kerry in all nine
 countries polled.
  In only two cases did Kerry win by a large majority
 -
  Brazil (57 percent to 14 percent) and the
  Dominican Republic (51 percent to 38 percent)
  - but in most cases the spread was quite wide.



  Global Poll Shows a Kerry Landslide
  Poll finds him preferred around world
  by Thomas Crampton
  September 8, 2004 by the International Herald
 Tribune
  http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0908-03.htm
Another pattern that became apparent in studying
 the data was that those people with
  higher education and more income were more strongly
 in favor of Kerry, Kull said.
Those at the top of world society are more
 negative towards Bush than those at the
  bottom, Kull said. The most likely common link is
 that those who have the most
  access to information tend be more 

RE: [Biofuel] China's Energy Crisis Blankets Hong Kong in Smog

2004-09-24 Thread Peggy

Hello Thomas,

The time of usefulness for nuclear power is dependent of the half-life
of the element used.  The half-life for radioactive cobalt is five and a
half years.  After natural degradation it becomes nickel.  The half-life
for cesium is thirty years.  So what this means is that in five years
half of the power has dissipated for cobalt.  In another five years,
half of that is gone, and so on.  The final fizzle extends into
eternity.

Atomic energy labs measure the initial load and predict when it will
no longer be powerful enough to keep the system efficiently working.
Then they add a new load or augment the existing load.  It's never
really over...it just keeps on going slower, and slower, and slower.

Peggy

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Behalf Of Tomas Juknevicius
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 3:36 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] China's Energy Crisis Blankets Hong Kong in Smog

Ken Provost wrote:


 A technical question about nuclear (I'm sure this group has SEVERAL
 people who know the answer -- pardon my ignorance :-)):

 Does a nuclear power plant need constant replacement of spent fuel
rods,
 or do you just load it up once, and then it keeps going for 20-30
 years with no additional inputs?

 The answer makes a big difference when conditions may be very
different in
 20-30 years

 -K


Hi Ken, all,

I believe that the correct answer is It depends. For example I hear,
that
the
reactors for the ships (submarines, icebreakers) are loaded once and
then used
until spent...
What happens then , I do not know (rebuild/retrofit perhaps?)

But for the ground power plants (of course this depends on the power
plant
type -
I am speaking about RBMK's here, I do not know the details for French or
USA
or
Japanese type of nukes, also pebble beds...),  it is usually arranged
so,
that each cassete is replaced as it is spent, not all cassettes at once.
Each month or so, some spent cassettes are removed, replaced with new
ones.

The limiting factor  for replacement are the channels, into which these
casssetes are inserted.
After some time (30-50 years? just guessing here) the neutrons from
nuclear
fission erode them,
and they have to be replaced. This means - rebuilding the whole reactor.



We have a big nuke here in Lithuania, which can supply energy to all our
country (3.5 mil. people).
I certainly know, that they buy nuclear fuel cassettes from Russia on a
regular basis.
They have a barter here - some amount of eletricity goes to Russia in
exchange
for nuclear fuel;
This way they are not dependent on currency rate swings and can operate
predictably...
Some info about it here: http://www.iae.lt

--
Tomas Juknevicius


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Re: [Biofuel] 2004 VW Jetta TDI

2004-09-24 Thread Hakan Falk


Mel,

VW is certifying all their new diesel engines for use with RME (Rape based 
biodiesel) in Europe. Your chat pages are wrong, if you want to belive the 
VW engine specifications in Europe.


Hakan


At 01:43 AM 9/19/2004, you wrote:

After having a VW Pickup and becoming interested in
Biodiesel as a fuel I have bought a new 2004 VW Jetta
TDI. I have read several postings from various chat
pages that the new TDIs shouldn't run Biodiesel. Does
anyone have any experience with the new TDIs? I would
like to start using Biodiesel in it either as an
addative or straight, but don't want to cause any
problems.
  Thanks for any help or information.
   Mel



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Re: [Biofuel] FFA testing in the acid part of the Foolproof process

2004-09-24 Thread Keith Addison




Hi All,

I have been fooling around with the Foolproof process and have a few 
questions/observations.


First, is this your first attempt to make biodiesel? You saw what it 
says at the top of that page?


NOTE: The two-stage biodiesel processes are advanced methods, not 
for novices -- learn the basics thoroughly first. The single-stage 
base method is the place to start. Start here.


Here being here:
Where do I start?
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start

Not for novices is linked and takes you here:
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#whystart

Did you read that? If not you really should.


I do not get an emulsion when I add the alcohol to the
WVO.


Emulsion? You mean this?

6. Mix for five minutes -- the mixture will become murky because of 
solvent change (methanol is a polar compound, oil is strongly 
non-polar; a suspension will form).


Are you starting with WVO? It's best to start with SVO. You're giving 
yourself too many variables all at once, instead of starting at the 
beginning with the simplest process and adding new factors one at a 
time.


I am using store bought denatured alcohol which is quite dry by my 
tests, and seems to have 10 to 20% methanol in it.


Denatured alcohol will not work. It is mostly ethanol, and making 
ethyl esters is not easy, and also not for novices. See:


Ethyl esters -- making ethanol biodiesel
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#ethylester

Also it is not dry, it will have about 5% water in it, and the 
biodiesel process is sensitive to water, especially ethyl esters.


You need 99%+ methanol, and then start with a single-stage base 
reaction with SVO, virgin oil.


I have gotten plenty of soap in the final fuel even after a good 
separation of glycerin.


You're sure you got a separation of glycerine?


I know there is plenty of FFA in my starting oil.


How do you know?


Is there
a test to determine if the acid stage is working or how far along 
the esterification is.?  I did the shake with water test and the 
original oil

becomes a milkshake.


You shook the original oil? Or what your process produced?


The acid stage product separates quickly but is murky.


I don't think so.

Go back to the beginning Joe, don't take short-cuts.

Best wishes

Keith Addison
Journey to Forever

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Re: [Biofuel] Slogan

2004-09-24 Thread M.P.Singh

If we have to connect wars with the fuel then how about this one:
Don't fight for fuel: grow your Own
Otherwise, how are these:
Dinofuel is to Biofuel as Dead is to Living
fossil fuel is to biofuel as dead is to living

M.P.Singh


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 Mr. Keith,

 Would  junk the wars ( or warmongers) for ever make a better slogan for
a sticker?

 Regards,

 Mani


 Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 on 9/18/04 2:20 PM, Jeff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   Fossils Fuels are Extinct While Biodiesel is Alive and Growing!
  
   Is this a better one?
  
   Jeff
 
 Still too long, but I'd put a bumper sticker on
 my Beetle TDI that just said Fossil Fuels are Extinct.

 That's good Ken! It hits home and it's a teaser, it'd get at least
 some people thinking about what isn't extinct, maybe starting to ask
 questions.

 Reminds me of my old War is Obsolete sticker -K

 Hasten the day when you can put one there saying Warmongers are
 Obsolete and it's just a superfluous statement of fact rather than a
 goal.

 Regards

 Keith

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[Biofuel] Energy content of glycerin?

2004-09-24 Thread Kenneth Kron



Seems to me that it should be pretty close to that of vegetable oil 
looking at the relative energy contents of the substances going into and 
coming out of the reaction.  I don't have my references right now but 
basically veggie oil comes out around 130K BTU's (depending on the 
actual oil), BD comes out around 120K BTU's where as alcohol is around 
64K BTU's


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Re: [Biofuel] Fossil fuels fuel the politics

2004-09-24 Thread Legal Eagle

Osama is to the NWO what Emmanuel Goldstein of Orwell's 1984 was; nothing
more than a fictional focal point to which all terrors are attributed, a
common enemy used to instill perpetual fear in the minds of people who
otherwise might take the time to actually think and that would inevitably
result in the truth coming out and the gig would be up.
All so-called Al Queda cells and people associated with it have  turned
out to be intellingence black ops and those charged as being complicit have
ALL had their cases fall apart.
Who benefits from all this terror? Who gets what they want ? It certainly is
not the Arabs/Palestinians, so who actually did it? Who gets the $ ? Who
gets the bombs? Who gets to grab land that doesn't belong to them ? That is
who wins and who did it, IMHO :)

Luc
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 you are so pathetically ignorant, it borders on the suspicion of having
 matriculated from a public school.
 - Original Message - 
 From: bmolloy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 7:48 PM
 Subject: [Biofuel] Fossil fuels fuel the politics


 Hi all,
  A new thread for consideration: fossil fuel use is fuelling our
 politics. Up until now we've been eating the rabbits. But what happens
when
 the rabbits get a gun? Pitt takes a look at the question.
 Bob.



 When the Rabbits Get a Gun


 By William Rivers Pitt
 From: http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091504A.shtml
 t r u t h o u t | Perspective
 Wednesday 15 September 2004
 ***

 This is the comforting fiction: Osama bin Laden is a monster who sprang
 whole from the fetid mire. He had no childhood, no influences, no
education,
 no experiences to form his view of the world. He did not exist, and then
he
 did, a vessel into which the universe poured the essence of evil. It is a
 simple, straightforward story of a man who hates freedom and kills for the
 pure joy of feeling innocent blood drip from his fingers.

 This is the fairy tale by which children are put to bed at night. As
 frightening and terrifying as bin Laden may be, it is a comfort to imagine
 him as having been chiseled from the dust. The fiction of his existence,
 absent of detail, makes him unique, a singular entity not to be
replicated.
 Osama bin Laden becomes truly scary only when the actual context of his
life
 is made clear, where he is from, what he has seen, and why those things
 motivated him to do what he does.

 Osama bin Laden becomes truly scary when the realization comes that he is
 not unique, not singular, not an invention of the universe. He becomes
truly
 scary when the realization comes that there are millions of people who
have
 seen what he has seen, who feel what he feels, and why. He becomes truly
 scary when the realization comes that he is a creation of the last fifty
 years of American foreign and economic policy, and that he has an army
 behind him created by the same influences. Simply, Osama bin Laden becomes
 truly scary when the realization comes that he can be, and has been, and
 continues to be, replicated.

 Osama bin Laden, after being educated at Oxford University, learned how to
 kill effectively while working as an agent of American Cold War policy in
 Afghanistan. He was a helpful American ally throughout the 1980s as a
 ruthless and wealthy warrior against the Soviet Union. It was the desire
of
 the American government to deliver to the Soviets their own Vietnam, to
 arrange a hopeless military situation which would demoralize the Soviet
 military and bleed that nation dry.

 Osama bin Laden played the part of the Viet Cong, and he was good at it.
 With the help of the American government, he was able to create an army of
 true believers in Afghanistan. Our government believed that if one bin
Laden
 was good, a hundred would be better, and a thousand better again, in the
 fight against the Soviets. So strong was this group America helped to
create
 that it became known as 'The Base.' Translated into the local dialect,
'The
 Base' is known as al Qaeda.

 Osama bin Laden learned something else besides the art of killing while he
 was working as an ally of the United States. He learned that given enough
 time, enough money, enough violence, enough perseverance, and enough
fellow
 warriors, a superpower can be brought to its knees and erased from the
book
 of history.

 Bin Laden was at the center of one of the most important events of the
20th
 century: The fall of the Soviet Union. Political pundits like to credit
 Reagan and the senior Bush for the collapse of that regime, but out in
front
 of them, in the mountains of Afghanistan, was Osama bin Laden and al
Qaeda,
 the sharp end of our sword, who did their job very well. Today, the United
 States faces this group and its leader, armed with their well-learned and
 America-taught lessons: How to 

[Biofuel] We're Not in Lake Wobegon Anymore

2004-09-24 Thread Gustl Steiner-Zehender

This is a piece by an entertainer with a great radio program.  He also
write  and  appears to think pretty well.  While I keep informed while
abstaining from party politics I read everything.  This is some of the
best.

Happy Happy,

Gustl

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We're Not in Lake Wobegon Anymore

By Garrison Keillor

Something  has gone seriously haywire with the Republican Party. Once,
it  was the party of pragmatic Main Street businessmen in steel-rimmed
spectacles  who  decried  profligacy  and waste, were devoted to their
communities  and  supported  the  sort  of  prosperity that raises all
ships.  They  were  good-hearted  people  who  vanquished the gnarlier
elements  of  their  party,  the  paranoid  Roosevelt-haters, the flat
Earthers  and  Prohibitionists,  the antipapist antiforeigner element.
The genial Eisenhower was their man, a genuine American hero of D-Day,
who  made  it  OK for reasonable people to vote Republican. He brought
the Korean War to a stalemate, produced the Interstate Highway System,
declined  to rescue the French colonial army in Vietnam, and gave us a
period  of  peace  and  prosperity, in which (oddly) American arts and
letters  flourished  and  higher  education  burgeoned and there was a
degree  of  plain  decency  in  the  country. Fifties Republicans were
giants  compared  to  today's.  Richard  Nixon was the last Republican
leader to feel a Christian obligation toward the poor.

In  the  years  between  Nixon  and  Newt Gingrich, the party migrated
southward  down the Twisting Trail of Rhetoric and sneered at the idea
of  public  service  and  became  the Scourge of Liberalism, the Great
Crusade  Against  the Sixties, the Death Star of Government, a gang of
pirates  that  diverted  and  fascinated  the  media  by  their  sheer
chutzpah,  such  as  the  misty-eyed flag-waving of Ronald Reagan who,
while  George  McGovern  flew bombers in World War II, took a pass and
made  training  films  in Long Beach. The Nixon moderate vanished like
the  passenger  pigeon, purged by a legion of angry white men who rose
to  power  on  pure  punk politics. Bipartisanship is another term of
date rape. says Grover Norquist, the Sid Vicious of the GOP. I don't
want  to  abolish  government.  I simply want to reduce it to the size
where  I  can  drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.
The boy has Oedipal problems and government is his daddy.

The  party of Lincoln and Liberty was transmogrified into the party of
hairy-backed   swamp  developers  and  corporate  shills,  faith-based
economists,   fundamentalist   bullies   with  Bibles,  Christians  of
convenience,  freelance  racists,  misanthropic  frat  boys, shrieking
midgets  of AM radio, tax cheats, nihilists in golf pants, brownshirts
in  pinstripes,  sweatshop  tycoons,  hacks, fakirs, aggressive dorks,
Lamborghini libertarians, people who believe Neil Armstrong's moonwalk
was  filmed in Roswell, New Mexico, little honkers out to diminish the
rest  of  us,  Newt's  evil spawn and their Etch-A-Sketch president, a
dull  and  rigid man suspicious of the free flow of information and of
secular  institutions,  whose  philosophy is a jumble of badly sutured
body  parts  trying  to walk. Republicans: The No.1 reason the rest of
the world thinks we're deaf, dumb and dangerous.

Rich  ironies  abound! Lies pop up like toadstools in the forest! Wild
swine crowd round the public trough! Outrageous gerrymandering! Pocket
lining  on  a massive scale! Paid lobbyists sit in committee rooms and
write   legislation   to  alleviate  the  suffering  of  billionaires!
Hypocrisies shine like cat turds in the moonlight! O Mark Twain, where
art  thou  at  this hour? Arise and behold the Gilded Age reincarnated
gaudier  than  ever, upholding great wealth as the sure sign of Divine
Grace.

Here  in  2004, George W. Bush is running for reelection on a platform
of  tragedy. The  single  greatest  failure of national defense in our
history, the attacks of 9/11 in which 19 men with box cutters put this
nation into a tailspin, a failure the details of which the White House
fought  to  keep secret even as it ran the country into hock up to the
hubcaps,  thanks  to  generous  tax cuts for the well-fixed, hoping to
lead  us  into  a  box  canyon  of  debt  that  will render government
impotent,  even as we engage in a war against a small country that was
undertaken  for  the president's personal satisfaction but sold to the
American  public  on  the  basis of brazen misinformation, a war whose
purpose  is  to distract us from an enormous transfer of wealth taking
place  in  this  country, flowing upward, and the deception is working
beautifully.

The  concentration  of wealth and power in the hands of the few is the
death  knell  of democracy. No republic in the history of humanity has
survived  this.  The  election  of  2004 will say something about what
happens to ours. The omens are not good.


Re: [biofuel] Question - efficiency of sunlight conversion

2004-09-24 Thread bob allen



yes, water vapor is a greenhouse gas, a significant one, but it is a 
dependent variable.  It constitutes a positive reinforcement of 
radiative forcing. The concentration in the atmosphere is not so 
much a function of how much water is on the planet, but rather the 
temperature of the atmosphere.  Liquid water, ice and water vapor are in 
equilibrium, add water vapor to the atmosphere, which will simply 
condense out , is what I consider an insignificant variable compared to 
changing the temperature of the atmosphere. With no addition of water to 
the system, raising the temperature of the atm will have a much greater 
effect than adding water to the system.


I therefore stand by my claim that the amount of water added to the 
system by the combustion of fossil fuels is insignificant compared to 
for example addition of  CO2 to the system. 




Appal Energy wrote:


Bob,

 


I haven't done the
calculations but it would not be difficult to determine the total water
released from combustion of all fossil fuels.  I doubt if it is a
significant issue.
   



Water vapor is a contributor to the greenhouse effect. A fossil-fueled
hydrogen economy could contribute a double punch to this problem, CO2 during
and post stripping phase and water vapor at the end use stage. That's rather
significant.

As well, the entire concept of insignificant is a matter of subjectivity
and trivializes all things to a point of irrelevance - all too often the
intent -  no matter how invaluable something's contribution may be.. Those
who could care less or couldn't be bothered to care all too off-handedly
dismiss anything as insignificant, no matter the end result being
catastrophic or incremental towards a productive goal.

Nothing is insignificant and those who bandy the term about should be kept
under close scrutiny.

Todd Swearingen

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Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 4:54 PM
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Question - efficiency of sunlight conversion


 


Robert,  the hydrogen in oil will end up as water regardless.
Combustion of hydrocarbons produces CO2 and H2O.  So whether you strip
the hydrogen out of the fossil fuel and burn it or burn it while it is
still part of the fossil fuel makes no difference.  I haven't done the
calculations but it would not be difficult to determine the total water
released from combustion of all fossil fuels.  I doubt if it is a
significant issue.

robert harder wrote:

   


The hydrogen economy is being pushed because it is favored by the
current oil companies, the cheapest source of hydrogen is oil and
therefore switching to hydrogen will not reduce the use or profits of
oil, but i fear that large scale use of hydrogen that was not sourced
from the electrolysis of water (which is useless as energy source,
only a method of energy storage) will lead to an increase in the total
volume of water in earths biosphere and water vapor in our atmosphere
which I beleive will be far more apt to alter weather than our current
problems of co2 and co

gt;From: jeff lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt;
gt;Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
gt;To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
gt;Subject: Re: [biofuel] Question - efficiency of sunlight conversion
gt;Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2004 07:53:50 -0700 (PDT)
gt;
gt;
gt;
gt;Keith Addison lt;[EMAIL PROTECTED]gt; wrote:
gt;Hello again Donald
gt;
gt;
gt;
gt; gt;As an aside, I am puzzled as to why there is so much emphasis
being
gt; gt;placed on the quot;Hydrogen Economyquot; at the moment,
especially by the US
gt; gt;government. Hydogen is just a way of storing and transporting
energy,
gt; gt;just as are biofuels. OK, I realise that fuel cells can
theoretically
gt; gt;deliver a greater whole-cycle efficiency than biofuels, but
it seems to
gt; gt;me that a lot of money is being spent on something that
probably won't
gt; gt;give us a cost-effective solution for at least 20 years -
given that
gt; gt;there are still a large number of technical hurdles without
totally
gt; gt;satisfactory solutions.
gt;
gt;As an big 'Oil Man' from texas, I think Bush likes the Hydrogen
idea because the power is still in his hands rather than the
consumer.  Assuming we can produce hydrogen in a more cost effective
way than electrolysis at some point in the future, it's a turn-key
business for gas stations, but mainly for the government.  Instead of
the customer needing less fuel and saving money that way, we'll still
need to refuel like we do now and that fuel can be taxed and priced
exactly as gasoline is now.  That will have the most minimal impact on
the 'economy' and the big oil companies can step right up and
capitalize on the opportunity to make about the same profits.
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RE: [Biofuel] Fossil fuels fuel the politics

2004-09-24 Thread Peggy

James,

The ability to think above and beyond both public and private
conditioning is a step toward maturity.  Current television (media)
conditioning surpasses any traditional schooling for cloning robots out
of social units.  Creative imagination has value.  Try reading James
Joyce Finnegan's Wake to see beyond the words.  It's not something
taught in public school.

Peggy
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you are so pathetically ignorant, it borders on the suspicion of having 
matriculated from a public school.
- Original Message - 
From: bmolloy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 7:48 PM
Subject: [Biofuel] Fossil fuels fuel the politics


Hi all,
 A new thread for consideration: fossil fuel use is fuelling our

politics. Up until now we've been eating the rabbits. But what happens
when 
the rabbits get a gun? Pitt takes a look at the question.
Bob.



When the Rabbits Get a Gun


By William Rivers Pitt
From: http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/091504A.shtml
t r u t h o u t | Perspective
Wednesday 15 September 2004
***

This is the comforting fiction: Osama bin Laden is a monster who sprang 
whole from the fetid mire. He had no childhood, no influences, no
education, 
no experiences to form his view of the world. He did not exist, and then
he 
did, a vessel into which the universe poured the essence of evil. It is
a 
simple, straightforward story of a man who hates freedom and kills for
the 
pure joy of feeling innocent blood drip from his fingers.

This is the fairy tale by which children are put to bed at night. As 
frightening and terrifying as bin Laden may be, it is a comfort to
imagine 
him as having been chiseled from the dust. The fiction of his existence,

absent of detail, makes him unique, a singular entity not to be
replicated. 
Osama bin Laden becomes truly scary only when the actual context of his
life 
is made clear, where he is from, what he has seen, and why those things 
motivated him to do what he does.

Osama bin Laden becomes truly scary when the realization comes that he
is 
not unique, not singular, not an invention of the universe. He becomes
truly 
scary when the realization comes that there are millions of people who
have 
seen what he has seen, who feel what he feels, and why. He becomes truly

scary when the realization comes that he is a creation of the last fifty

years of American foreign and economic policy, and that he has an army 
behind him created by the same influences. Simply, Osama bin Laden
becomes 
truly scary when the realization comes that he can be, and has been, and

continues to be, replicated.

Osama bin Laden, after being educated at Oxford University, learned how
to 
kill effectively while working as an agent of American Cold War policy
in 
Afghanistan. He was a helpful American ally throughout the 1980s as a 
ruthless and wealthy warrior against the Soviet Union. It was the desire
of 
the American government to deliver to the Soviets their own Vietnam, to 
arrange a hopeless military situation which would demoralize the Soviet 
military and bleed that nation dry.

Osama bin Laden played the part of the Viet Cong, and he was good at it.

With the help of the American government, he was able to create an army
of 
true believers in Afghanistan. Our government believed that if one bin
Laden 
was good, a hundred would be better, and a thousand better again, in the

fight against the Soviets. So strong was this group America helped to
create 
that it became known as 'The Base.' Translated into the local dialect,
'The 
Base' is known as al Qaeda.

Osama bin Laden learned something else besides the art of killing while
he 
was working as an ally of the United States. He learned that given
enough 
time, enough money, enough violence, enough perseverance, and enough
fellow 
warriors, a superpower can be brought to its knees and erased from the
book 
of history.

Bin Laden was at the center of one of the most important events of the
20th 
century: The fall of the Soviet Union. Political pundits like to credit 
Reagan and the senior Bush for the collapse of that regime, but out in
front 
of them, in the mountains of Afghanistan, was Osama bin Laden and al
Qaeda, 
the sharp end of our sword, who did their job very well. Today, the
United 
States faces this group and its leader, armed with their well-learned
and 
America-taught lessons: How to kill massively and how to annihilate a 
superpower.

Osama bin Laden learned a few other things before he became the monster 
under our collective bed. When Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein began to make
his 
move against Kuwait, bin Laden was outraged. Hussein was a despised name
on 
the lips of bin Laden and his followers; here was an unbelieving heretic
who 
spoke the words of 

Re: [Biofuel] The ultimate bidiesel workshop class

2004-09-24 Thread Keith Addison




Iowa State University (USA) will host a biodiesel workshop conference the
end of October.

It is five days long and covers everything from start to finish.

Here is the link to the workshop class:
http://www.me.iastate.edu/biodiesel/

Here is the link to the daily schedule of topics:
http://www.ucs.iastate.edu/mnet/biodiesel04/home.html

For Americans that joke about Iowa being a 'flyover' state, drop down and
enjoy real hospitality!

From the heartland of grain growing and the future world center of ethanol
and biodiesel production!!!...

Ron B.


Hi Ron

World center? Well, good luck, it's a nice goal and all, but not very 
realistic, IMHO. Maybe you should just focus on doing as best you can 
and addressing more local challenges.


For one thing, Europe has a 20-year head start on you, especially 
Austria and Germany, they're way ahead, with biodiesel as they're way 
ahead with diesels themselves. And they're not hampered by the fact 
that soy and maize are not counted among the world's most ideal 
energy crops.


You're going to forge ahead of Brazil with ethanol? They're more than 
20 years ahead of you, with a lot of advantages, and they do sugar, 
not maize. I think you'll have a hard time keeping up with India, 
with biodiesel as well as ethanol. There are also some very 
interesting developments taking shape in Southeast Asia, and they're 
in a position to leapfrog quite a lot of obstacles that the US will 
face. Meanwhile there's Japan... which *looks* quiet right now, but 
don't believe it. They just made a big ethanol deal with Brazil... 
And the US has the Big Three, and the other Big Three - ADM, Monsanto 
and Cargill, and a bureaucracy that thinks they're much more 
important than biofuels.


Anyway, good luck.

Best

Keith

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[Biofuel] Mironda Heston, young activist dies in Chicago

2004-09-24 Thread Ross Cannon

 
Mironda Heston, a young American volunteer in Haiti died in a Chicago
Hospital of dengue fever on Thursday. She has been working since June to
bring alternative energy options to the isolated poor of Haiti. Following
is an account of of her role in an effort to get drilling efforts going
for the natives in Haiti. 
=--=-=-=-=-==-=-=--=-=-==--=-==-=--==--==-=--=
I was recommended for a project in Haiti by NGWA president Randy Taylor
to Loring Green of Tucson, Ariz., whom I understand was contracted by
Mrs. Louise Bowditch, the director of Seed USA, Brookline, Mass. Loring
Green, a geologist, had made a previous fact-finding trip to Haiti and
needed an experienced drilling instructor, which is why I was
recommended.
On July 1, 2004, Loring and I went to Haiti to start up a new drilling
machine. We had met at a motel in Miami the night before and early that
morning, we flew to Port au Prince, Haiti. Haitian customs did not
inspect us at all on the way in.
I had only two suitcases and a small carry-on bag. I checked my two
suitcases and carried on the small bag. Of the two checked bags, one was
full of clothing and one was full of fan belts, a pintle hitch, some bug
spray and batteries. When I opened my suitcases at our destination
÷Movman Peyizan Papay (MPP), the Peasant Movement of Papaye, near Hinche,
Haiti ÷ my bug spray and batteries were missing.
Loring, on the other hand, had two large suitcases and several small bags
combined into one. Most of his luggage was filled with drilling supplies
and equipment. His all arrived OK.
Upon our arrival in Port au Prince, we were met by many local people
wanting to carry our luggage for a small fee, which we declined. The
people were kind and friendly but almost demanding in wanting to carry
our luggage. However, we were never concerned for our safety.
We were to be met by others with MPP, taken to the nearby general
aviation terminal at the same airport, and then flown by a small,
four-passenger airplane operated by Mission Aviation Fellowship to Hinche
in the Central Plateau province ÷ or as they call it, department. Prior
to our landing in Hinche, the people had to run the goats off the short,
narrow runway. Once we were on the ground, there were many people under
nearby trees waiting to greet the arrivals. A four-door pickup truck met
us and took us through Hinche over some very bad roads to the MPP
compound near Papaye. 
Upon arrival at the compound, we were escorted to our rooms to get
settled in. Then we were taken to the dining hall and had lunch. All the
food was excellent but different from what I was accustomed to. The meals
usually consisted of a brown rice, bean sauce, peanut butter and jelly,
bread and a juice. All food was covered with a plastic basket to prevent
flies from getting to it.
The DeepRock rig had not arrived from Port au Prince, Haiti. We were
advised it still was tied up in customs. 
We were introduced to our six drilling students and decided to teach them
in a classroom until the rig arrived. For the next several days, we
taught the students to sort and screen-pack sand from the river in the
classroom and on-site.
We taught them to slot PVC well screen with hacksaws and clean out the
slots. Then with drawings on a blackboard, we taught them about drilling
tools and the names of tools. Mironda Heston, an American who speaks
Haitian Creole, translated all of this and was a vital link in our
teaching. First Loring and I would teach Mironda. She would interpret to
our students, and then she would interpret their questions back to us.
Mironda was a fast learner and understood our drawings on the blackboard.
This was great because Loring and I were not the best blackboard artists.

The following day, we would have a classroom review of what the students
learned the day before. They had retained everything we had taught them
in detail, including re-drawing exactly what we had drawn on the
blackboard the previous day. Mironda would manage the review, as Loring
and I could not understand Creole. We could not have managed without her.
Since the drill still had not arrived, we decided to visit a drill site
with a drill in operation some 15 miles and more than an hour away, as it
involved transversing a very bad road. We loaded our five students, Wendy
Flick ÷ an associate from New Mexico, Loring, Mironda, Louise Bowditch,
our driver and myself in a four-door four-wheel drive Toyota pickup and
traveled some destructive roads to the job site.
We watched the drilling for a time, discussed the drilling bits and
procedures and then returned to the classroom for more blackboard
drawings and discussion of what we had seen at the drill site. 
These students were great learners; they never wanted to stop learning. I
would be proud to work with them anytime. I hope that one day soon that I
will be asked to return to Haiti to work with these students.
One evening, we were invited to a birthday party for Agathe
Jean-Baptiste, a medical doctor who has just 

RE: [Biofuel] Why We Cannot Win

2004-09-24 Thread

 
Hi; As a Canadian I have watched the Iraq situation with concern and 
apprehension. Like most Canadians I feel strongly connected to U.S.A.; I have 
always loved and respected their love of capitalism and democracy. It is very 
sad that so many Amercians and innocent Iraq citizens are being killed or 
seriously wounded especially when the deaths could of/can be avoided. What is 
far more disturbing is the loss of freedom and individual rights within the 
USA--a loss that can easily spread across to Canada and beyond. To any 
intelligent observer the best course of action, post 9/11, would of been the 
launch of a co-ordinated international police action NOT an unnecessary, 
illegal, and unjust war--a never ending one. America would of been completely 
supported in such an action, would of been accepted as leaders in the action, 
and all of the world would of been significantly safer with such an action. I 
know that there are many Americans who share my concerns. I know that it is a 
significant act of bravery for an American to actual voice their opposition to 
the Iraq war--I encourage and salute such bravery. I pray that America will 
return to her previous role as a moderate, intelligent, and benign world leader 
( one with flaws but always willing to debate and change their actions). Alex 
--- On Mon 09/20, Keith Addison lt; [EMAIL PROTECTED] gt; wrote:From: Keith 
Addison [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tue, 21 Sep 2004 
12:36:49 +0900Subject: [Biofuel] Why We Cannot 
Winhttp://207.44.245.159/article6929.htmWhy We Cannot Winby Al Lorentz09/20/04 
LewRockwell.com -- Before I begin, let me state that I am a soldier currently 
deployed in Iraq, I am not an armchair quarterback. Nor am I some politically 
idealistic and naïve young soldier, I am an old and seasoned Non-Commissioned 
Officer with nearly 20 years under my belt. Additionally, I am not just a 
soldier with a muds-eye view of the war, I am in Civil Affairs and as such, it 
is my job to be aware of all the events occurring in this country and 
specifically in my region.I have come to the conclusion that we cannot win here 
for a number of reasons. Ideology and idealism will never trump history and 
reality.When we were preparing to deploy, I told my young soldiers to beware of 
the political solution. Just when you think you have the situation on the 
ground in hand, someone will come along with a political directive that throws 
you off the tracks.I believe that we could have won this un-Constitutional 
invasion of Iraq and possibly pulled off the even more un-Constitutional 
occupation and subjugation of this sovereign nation. It might have even been 
possible to foist democracy on these people who seem to have no desire, 
understanding or respect for such an institution. True the possibility of 
pulling all this off was a long shot and would have required several hundred 
billion dollars and even more casualties than we've seen to date but again it 
would have been possible, not realistic or necessary but possible.Here are the 
specific reasons why we cannot win in Iraq.First, we refuse to deal in reality. 
We are in a guerilla war, but because of politics, we are not allowed to 
declare it a guerilla war and must label the increasingly effective guerilla 
forces arrayed against us as terrorists, criminals and dead-enders.This 
implies that there is a zero sum game at work, i.e. we can simply kill X number 
of the enemy and then the fight is over, mission accomplished, everybody wins. 
Unfortunately, this is not the case. We have few tools at our disposal and 
those are proving to be wholly ineffective at fighting the guerillas.The idea 
behind fighting a guerilla army is not to destroy its every man (an 
impossibility since he hides himself by day amongst the populace). Rather the 
idea in guerilla warfare is to erode or destroy his base of support.So long as 
there is support for the guerilla, for every one you kill two more rise up to 
take his place. More importantly, when your tools for killing him are precision 
guided munitions, raids and other acts that
  create casualties among the innocent populace, you raise the support for the 
guerillas and undermine the support for yourself. (A 500-pound precision bomb 
has a casualty-producing radius of 400 meters minimum; do the math.)Second, our 
assessment of what motivates the average Iraqi was skewed, again by politically 
motivated experts. We came here with some fantasy idea that the natives were 
all ignorant, mud-hut dwelling camel riders who would line the streets and pelt 
us with rose petals, lay palm fronds in the street and be eternally grateful. 
While at one time there may have actually been support and respect from the 
locals, months of occupation by our regular military forces have turned the 
formerly friendly into the recently hostile.Attempts to correct the thinking in 
this regard are in vain; it is not politically correct to point out the fact 
that 

[Biofuel] Biofuel production- Brazil and USA

2004-09-24 Thread rlbarber

From the original topic-
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The ultimate bidiesel workshop class

Keith's reply to my original rambunctious post-
Hi Ron

World center? Well, good luck, it's a nice goal and all, but not very
realistic, IMHO. Maybe you should just focus on doing as best you can
and addressing more local challenges.

For one thing, Europe has a 20-year head start on you, especially
Austria and Germany, they're way ahead, with biodiesel as they're way
ahead with diesels themselves. And they're not hampered by the fact
that soy and maize are not counted among the world's most ideal
energy crops.

You're going to forge ahead of Brazil with ethanol? They're more than
20 years ahead of you, with a lot of advantages, and they do sugar,
not maize. I think you'll have a hard time keeping up with India,
with biodiesel as well as ethanol. There are also some very
interesting developments taking shape in Southeast Asia, and they're
in a position to leapfrog quite a lot of obstacles that the US will
face. Meanwhile there's Japan... which *looks* quiet right now, but
don't believe it. They just made a big ethanol deal with Brazil...
And the US has the Big Three, and the other Big Three - ADM, Monsanto
and Cargill, and a bureaucracy that thinks they're much more
important than biofuels.

Anyway, good luck.

Best

Keith
=
Hi Keith,

I was being a little frisky...like a Lipizzaner horse, when I mentioned
Iowa/Midwestern USA as a future world center for biofuels. grin
Link to the horse-
http://www.equiworld.net/en/breeds/lipizzaner/
I'll get to see these fine horses this weekend when they come to town for
a show. 8~)

Back to ethanol:
In the last couple of years, the USA has snuck up right behind Brazil.
Now, it is a matter of which country can expand faster.
1) Brazil's present ethanol production: 14 billion liters
2) USA's present ethanol production (09/2004): 12.95 billion liters
3) USA ethanol plants presently under construction or expansion: 1.89
billion liters.
4) More USA plants in design or advanced equity fund drives as we speak.
5) California is on the brink to start sugar cane/maize to ethanol
conversion plans (not production yet).

Link talking about sugar and ethanol production in Brazil (07/2004)-
http://www.crystalsugar.com/media/news.archives/conf.asp

Excerpt from link above-
Brazil's cane production increased from 300 million tons in 1995 to 372
million tons of cane for the current crop an increase of 24 percent.

From this, 27 million tons of sugar will be produced, of which 16 million
will be exported, he said. In addition, 14 billion liters of ethanol,
equating to 25 million tons of sugar, will also be produced.

Link to USA ethanol production updated this month-
http://www.ethanolrfa.org/eth_prod_fac.html

Excerpt from link above (in Million Gallons per Year)-
Total Existing Capacity 3420.8
Total Under Construction/Expansions   500.0
Total Capacity   3920.8

Last Updated: September 2004
---
Note: 1 Gallons (US) equals 3.78541 Liters

As far as biodiesel is concerned...yes, the USA is still in the womb of
development and production, but when the ball gets rolling, it will be a
like the Flying Scotsman Express roaring down the tracks under a moonlit
night with safety valves popping steam and throttle (British term
'regulator') wide open. big grin

Regards,
Ron B.
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[Biofuel] Can We Eliminate Oil - Winning the Oil Endgame

2004-09-24 Thread MH

 U.S. Can Eliminate Oil Use in a Few Decades
 Source: Rocky Mountain Institute
 September 20, 2004 
 http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/040920/cgm011_1.html 

 RMI's Winning the Oil Endgame Shows Businesses How to Mobilize and Profit 

 SNOWMASS, Colo., Sept. 20 /PRNewswire/ -- Rocky Mountain Institute (RMI) today
 released Winning the Oil Endgame: Innovation for Profits, Jobs, and Security,
 a Pentagon-cofunded blueprint for making the United States oil-free. The plan
 outlines how American industry can restore competitiveness and boost profits by
 mobilizing modern technologies and smart business strategies to displace
 oil more cheaply than buying it.

 Winning the Oil Endgame proves that at an average cost of
 $12 per barrel (in 2000 dollars), the United States can save
 half its oil usage through efficiency, then substitute
 competitive biofuels and saved natural gas for the rest
 -- all this without taxation or new federal regulation.

 Unlike previous proposals to force oil savings through government policy,
 our proposed transition beyond oil is led by business for profit, said
 RMI CEO Amory Lovins. Our recommendations are market-based, innovation-driven
 without mandates, and designed to support, not distort, business logic. They're
 self-financing and would cause the federal deficit to go down, not up.

 Winning the Oil Endgame shows that
 by 2015, the United States can save more oil than it gets from the Persian 
Gulf;
 by 2025, use less oil than in 1970;
 by 2040, import no oil; and
 by 2050, use no oil at all.

 Because saving and substituting oil costs less than buying it,
 our study finds a net savings of $70 billion a year, Lovins said.
 That acts like a giant tax cut for the nation. It simply makes sense
 and makes money for all.

 The RMI study focuses on cars and light trucks (SUVs, pickups, and vans).
 These vehicles account for nearly half of projected 2025 oil use. The report
 demonstrates that ultralight, ultrasound materials like carbon-fiber can
 halve vehicles' weight, increase safety, and boost efficiency to about
 85 mpg for a midsize car or 66 mpg for a midsize SUV.

 BMW has confirmed that carbon-fiber autobodies weigh only half as much as 
steel
 and have exceptional crash performance, said Lovins. The resulting fuel 
savings
 can be like buying gasoline for 56 cents a gallon.

 Winning the Oil Endgame also predicts that to fight better and save money,
 the Pentagon -- the world's largest oil buyer-will accelerate the market
 emergence of superefficient land, sea, and air platforms. A more efficient
 and effective military can protect American citizens instead of foreign oil,
 while moving to eliminate oil as a source of conflict.

 A fuel-efficient military could save tens of billions of dollars a year,
 said Lovins, who served on a Pentagon task force studying this issue.
 As our nation stops needing oil, think of the possibilities of being
 able to treat oil-rich countries the same as nations that don't own a drop.
 Imagine too our moral clarity if other countries no longer assume
 everything the United States does is about oil.

 The RMI report says that by 2015, more efficient vehicles, buildings, and
 factories will turn oil companies into broad-based energy companies that
 embrace biofuels as a new product line. Winning the Oil Game demonstrates
 how cellulosic biofuels (wood-based rather than from starchy or sugary plants
 like corn) can replace one-fifth of current oil use, more than triple farm 
income,
 and create 750,000 agriculture jobs.

 Europe produces 17 times more biodiesel than we do, Lovins said.
 The EU has shifted farmers from subsidies to durable revenues, and
 now oil companies compete to sell their petroleum-free fuel.

 Winning the Oil Endgame demonstrates half of U.S. natural gas can be
 saved at less than a fifth of its current price. Two-thirds of that
 figure comes from saving electricity, especially at peak times when
 it's inefficiently produced from natural gas. This step alone could
 return natural gas to abundance within a few years, cutting gas and
 power bills by $55 billion per year.

 Recommended policy innovations include: 

-- Revenue-neutral feebates -- rebates for buyers of efficient cars, paid
   for by fees on inefficient ones;
-- Low-income access to affordable mobility -- a new nationwide initiative
   to buy efficient cars in bulk and lease or sell them to low-income
   drivers at terms they can afford;
-- RD investment incentives and temporary loan guarantees to help
   financially weakened U.S. automakers retrain and retool faster; and
-- Temporary federal loans guarantees to U.S. airlines for buying very
   efficient new airplanes, provided that for every plane thus financed,
   an inefficient one is scrapped.

 For the first time, our report adds up the new ways to provide all the
 services now obtained from oil, but without using oil -- which will save
 us $70 billion a year, concluded 

[Biofuel] Filtering BD

2004-09-24 Thread Legal Eagle

Well, it worked like a charm. I removed the in-line filter combo'd with a 
furncae filter and left the furnace filetr (felt liner) in place and backed it 
up with a Cummins FF105 fuel filter which I got along with the mounting bracket 
at a truck repair place. It works great ! Gives the BD a nice polished finish 
as well :)

Luc
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[Biofuel] More on pump washing

2004-09-24 Thread Legal Eagle

Having tried all sorts of methods, none of which did the job well, I settled on 
hooking up the water exit pipe from the standpipe design, 
http://www.veggieavenger.com/avengerboard/viewtopic.php?t=333 to a Pony Pump 
and have it run up into the wash tank via a T fitting with braided hose that 
had holes drilled into it, larger holes for the cross than for the lead. The 
system works pretty well for those who, like me, have a head space clearance 
problem, although the plan is to replace the T with a cross in the near 
future (as soon as I can find one in the right size) as that will give more 
even distribution of the H2O. Right now I give it a swirl with the drill and 
paint stirrer after pumping for about 1/2 hour just for good measure, but this 
is not ideal.
I do not have the head space required to hook up a stirring mechanism or that 
is the way I would go, so this has to be made to work well enough to produce 
the desired complete results without having to bend into the wash tank with a 
paint stirrer to be sure the job got done right.
I am alos thinking of reducing the hose size for the lead hose in order to 
increase the pressure so that I will get a hard rain effect over the BD, any 
thoughts ?

Luc
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Re: [Biofuel] Ice Farming in the desert

2004-09-24 Thread Doug Younker

Hey,

Thanks Steven, just zapped an email to the library to see if it's
available via inter-library loan.
Doug

- Original Message - 
From: Melander, Steven [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 10:51 AM
Subject: [Biofuel] Ice Farming in the desert


: In regards to forming ice at night, take a look at the book Ceramic
Houses by Nader Kahili.
: There are numerous examples of structures designed to make ice naturally
and store it (ice farming in the desert). Also,
: another interesting part of the book are cooling towers for homes.
: Steve M.
:
: -Original Message-
: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Behalf Of Doug Younker
: Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 1:45 PM
: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate -
: solar.
:
:
: Hi,
:
: Interesting; another post said the Egyptians form ice at night, by ice
: forming do you mean the water froze into block of ice?  I would guess that
a
: bit of ice forming may suggest that it may be possible to transfer the
heat
: in a cool room to the night time sky.  Are there any practical example of
: this have been done or being done?  The post mentioning the Egyptians on
: mentioned that they made ice by radiating heat to the night time sky, but
: there was indication how they went about it. Thanks
: Doug
: - Original Message - 
: From: Kim  Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 6:04 AM
: Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate -
: solar.
:
:
: : Greetings,
: : Actually I have put a bottle of water in my solar funnel cooker and left
: it
: : out at night when the temperature was in the 50F and had ice form.  It
: will
: : only do it for me on a real clear night, it does not work on a cloudy
: night.
: : Bright Blessings,
: : Kim
: :
: : At 05:12 PM 9/15/2004, you wrote:
: : Hi,
: : 
: :  But, to create ice wouldn't that require the night time
temperatures
: to
: : get to freezing? Even if the goal was to cool a heat sink, power is
still
: : would be required.
: : Doug
: : 
: : - Original Message -
: : From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: : Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 11:47 AM
: : Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate -
: : solar.
: : 
: : 
: : :
: : :
: : :
: : :
: : : Greetings to all.
: : :
: : : A new member here.
: : :
: : : If you have clear skies at night most of the time, solar panels can
be
: : used in reverse to radiate heat all night long. Circulate anti freeze
: from
: : them
: : : to your block of ice during the night and use the ice in the usual
way.
: : Not shure how much heat you can get rid of in this way.  A calculation
or
: : : experiment is in order.  The panels could be used for heat gain
during
: the
: : day in their usual way.  Mount on top of your dirt mound for shade.
: : :
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