[Biofuel] any polish ppl on the list?
biodiesel and svo _ Talk with your online friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Powell 'Pushed Out' By Bush For Seeking To Rein In Israel
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Powell 'Pushed Out' By Bush For Seeking To Rein In Israel Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2004 14:53:32 +0900 http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/1121-01.htm Published on Sunday, November 21, 2004 by the Telegraph/UK Powell 'Pushed Out' By Bush For Seeking To Rein In Israel by Charles Laurence in New York and Philip Sherwell Colin Powell, the outgoing US secretary of state, was given his marching orders after telling President George W Bush that he wanted greater power to confront Israel over the stalled Middle East peace process. Although Mr Powell's departure was announced on November 15, his letter of resignation was dated November 11, the day he had a meeting with Mr Bush. According to White House officials, at the meeting Mr Powell was not asked to stay on and gave no hints that he would do so. Briefing reporters later, he referred to fulsome discussions - diplomatic code for disagreements. The clincher came over the Mid-East peace process, said a recently-retired state department official. Powell thought he could use the credit he had banked as the president's 'good cop' in foreign policy to rein in Ariel Sharon [Israel's prime minister] and get the peace process going. He was wrong. Bob Woodward, the veteran Washington reporter who was granted unprecedented access to the first Bush administration for his books Bush At War and Plan Of Attack, said last week that Mr Powell had been dreaming if he thought that he could stay on. Vice-president Dick Cheney and his fellow hardliner, John Bolton, an under-secretary of state to Mr Powell, are both understood to have lobbied Mr Bush to replace him. They wanted to make Iran's alleged nuclear bomb aspirations and support for Islamic terror groups the foreign policy priority for the new administration and believed that Mr Powell would back away from a confrontational approach. The two are frustrated that Britain, France and Germany are still seeking a diplomatic deal with Teheran rather than backing an immediate UN Security Council resolution condemning Iran and threatening sanctions. Mr Powell's final pitch to remain in office for at least another year was made during Tony Blair's visit to Washington nine days ago, The Telegraph has learned. Earlier indications had been that he intended to step down after enduring four years of clashes with the office of Mr Cheney and the Pentagon under Donald Rumsfeld. Friends of Mr Powell later briefed journalists that he had changed his mind because he saw the chance of progress on the peace process and wanted to see through the Iraqi elections. Mr Powell is to be replaced by Condoleezza Rice, the national security adviser and close confidante of Mr Bush. Mr Bolton's predicted promotion as her deputy is a further signal that the president wants to conduct foreign policy without the moderating influence and popular public face of Mr Powell. Prominent neo-conservatives in Washington make no secret of their desire for regime change in Teheran, although few believe that a full-scale military operation is a viable strategy. Instead, the emphasis is on establishing economic sanctions as a means to squeeze the ruling mullahs. There is also the option that the US may tacitly back Israeli air strikes on Iranian nuclear facilities. The overhaul of the CIA under its new director, Porter Goss, a recent Bush appointee, is also intended to remove critics of America's foreign policy. © Copyright of Telegraph Group Limited 2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Hotmail en Messenger on the move http://www.msn.nl/communicatie/smsdiensten/hotmailsmsv2/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] japan earthquake
it's october the 24th , yesterday it was 17 degrees celcius.. and a couple of years ago it was already freesing. (been about 29 years sinds we had snow in october..) it snowed when i was born , not sinds... lately we have snow in the end of december,januari ,so there is definitly a shift.. From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] japan earthquake Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 05:33:39 +0900 Thanks frag lag You really got a bad year. here's hoping that it's over... Here's hoping... But we've been lucky ourselves, very little damage, just FAR too much rain! The village was lucky too, some damage, not too severe, and one grandfather farmer injured in the typhoon, he's still unconscious, I really hope he makes it. In the town a lot of houses were flooded, waist-high water with the tatami mats floating around, what a mess. Japan as a whole has definitely had a bad year. Regards Keith From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] japan earthquake Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:49:45 +0900 Greetings Andres Thanks for your concern, that's very kind of you. Keith, You ok? Yes thanks, we're fine, it was far from here, at Niigata, north of Tokyo. Two deaths, more than 90 hurt, but there's danger of landslides following the typhoon, everything's still soaked. A bullet train got derailed, or partly derailed, nobody hurt, extraordinary. I've been through earthquakes that strong and it is a powerful experience. So have I, once - yes, a very powerful experience. Quite salutary - you think the ground is good solid stuff under your feet and suddenly it gets up and shakes itself like a dog with fleas. It's quite something to live in Tokyo. It's only a matter of time until there's another major earthquake there, everybody knows it, and there are reminders of it all the time, tremors every day, sometimes three or four a day or more, and some of them are strong, you have to grab hold of something. It's amazing how quickly you get used to it. People just take it in their stride, and so did we. You get unused to it again pretty quickly too. There are only very occasional tremors in this part of Japan and we're not used to it at all now. gambatte o kudasareta :-) Thankyou. Regards Keith andres ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Talk with your online friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about?
From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about? Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:55:10 -0500 This is simple pyrolysis. One heats up any plant or amimal matter, in the absence of oxygen. Another term for the same process is distructive distillation. It produces a mixture somewhat like crude oil (fossil) The trick is to do it effeciently. See for example http://www.btgworld.com/technologies/pyrolysis.html frag lag wrote: http://www.schoolsite.utwente.nl/ct/profielwerkstukken/PWS/scheikunde/rijden_op_hout.doc/ A dutch web site ,the name under the firest picture (top one of 3) says raw biodiesel ??? looks more like dino to me... part of the text Het maken van biodiesel is geen koud kunstje. Vaste biomassa wordt bij hoge temperaturen (~ 500 oC) en in afwezigheid van zuurstof omgezet tot een gas dat afkoelt tot een vloeistof. Dit proces, pyrolyse, staat nog in de kinderschoenen. rough translation: Making biodiesel isn't easy , solid biomass is gassed at 500 degrees celcious (in a vaccume) that cools to a liquid, this process called pyrolyse is still in it's infantcy. any idea what they are talking about? (btw , utwente in the link means university of twente) _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- -- Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness JKG --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] japan earthquake
here's hoping that it's over... From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] japan earthquake Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:49:45 +0900 Greetings Andres Thanks for your concern, that's very kind of you. Keith, You ok? Yes thanks, we're fine, it was far from here, at Niigata, north of Tokyo. Two deaths, more than 90 hurt, but there's danger of landslides following the typhoon, everything's still soaked. A bullet train got derailed, or partly derailed, nobody hurt, extraordinary. I've been through earthquakes that strong and it is a powerful experience. So have I, once - yes, a very powerful experience. Quite salutary - you think the ground is good solid stuff under your feet and suddenly it gets up and shakes itself like a dog with fleas. It's quite something to live in Tokyo. It's only a matter of time until there's another major earthquake there, everybody knows it, and there are reminders of it all the time, tremors every day, sometimes three or four a day or more, and some of them are strong, you have to grab hold of something. It's amazing how quickly you get used to it. People just take it in their stride, and so did we. You get unused to it again pretty quickly too. There are only very occasional tremors in this part of Japan and we're not used to it at all now. gambatte o kudasareta :-) Thankyou. Regards Keith andres ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about?
about enviro impact now) From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about? Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 10:35:19 -0400 Pyrolysis is not limitted to a single feedstock such as the practice of making biodiesel via esterification/transesterification. You can use it to degrade tires, plastic, organic wastes and biomass in general into useable gases and liquid fuels. The tough pill to swallow is the intense energy inputs and mechanical costs. But then again, recovering energy and reusing it is better than landfilling it. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: frag lag [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 23, 2004 1:04 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about? so what are the advantages compared to our way? From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] what are the on about? Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 14:55:10 -0500 This is simple pyrolysis. One heats up any plant or amimal matter, in the absence of oxygen. Another term for the same process is distructive distillation. It produces a mixture somewhat like crude oil (fossil) The trick is to do it effeciently. See for example http://www.btgworld.com/technologies/pyrolysis.html frag lag wrote: http://www.schoolsite.utwente.nl/ct/profielwerkstukken/PWS/scheikunde/rijden_op_hout.doc/ A dutch web site ,the name under the firest picture (top one of 3) says raw biodiesel ??? looks more like dino to me... part of the text Het maken van biodiesel is geen koud kunstje. Vaste biomassa wordt bij hoge temperaturen (~ 500 oC) en in afwezigheid van zuurstof omgezet tot een gas dat afkoelt tot een vloeistof. Dit proces, pyrolyse, staat nog in de kinderschoenen. rough translation: Making biodiesel isn't easy , solid biomass is gassed at 500 degrees celcious (in a vaccume) that cools to a liquid, this process called pyrolyse is still in it's infantcy. any idea what they are talking about? (btw , utwente in the link means university of twente) _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- -- Bob /ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] what are the on about?
A dutch web site ,the name under the firest picture (top one of 3) says raw biodiesel ??? looks more like dino to me... part of the text Het maken van biodiesel is geen koud kunstje. Vaste biomassa wordt bij hoge temperaturen (~ 500 oC) en in afwezigheid van zuurstof omgezet tot een gas dat afkoelt tot een vloeistof. Dit proces, pyrolyse, staat nog in de kinderschoenen. rough translation: Making biodiesel isn't easy , solid biomass is gassed at 500 degrees celcious (in a vaccume) that cools to a liquid, this process called pyrolyse is still in it's infantcy. any idea what they are talking about? (btw , utwente in the link means university of twente) _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
The impossibility to use it worldwide? if we plant for it , there's no more space for food... From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:29:29 -0500 Start Here: Vegetable oil has the potential to be 100% carbon neutral and is probably already ~90% carbon neutral despite fossil fuels used in its production, refining and transportation. Fossil fuel is 100% carbon negative right out of the chute and if you include mining, refining and transportation the negative numbers escalate well beyond that. No or almost no SOx, no heavy metals and a few dozen other benefits in comparison. If you want to labor on the math go ahead. But you're banging your head against the wall if you think that you'll come up with any disbenefit that comes anywhere close to the disbenefits of fossil fuels. _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset
From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:50:43 -0500 This is absolutely false. here's one . The impossibility to use it worldwide? if we plant for it , there's no more space for food... To fill in the blanks, you're saying that if we grow biomass for fuel then the resulting consequence is that we'll starve. Feedlot cattle consume 16#s of grain and soybeans for every one pound of meat. http://www.animalsvoice.com/PAGES/invest/meat.html If correlating that 16 pounds to only soybeans, that's approximately 3.3 acres if the yield is 40 bushels of soybeans per acre, or approximately 6,960 pounds of feedmeal and approximately 40 gallons of oil. How many people could be fed off 3.3 acres or with 6,960 pounds of soy flour in comparison to the approximate 550 pounds of edible beef that will come off that feedlot animal? Couple that with the number of pounds of grass it takes to get them to a feedlot for fattening. A grassfed calf consumes 8,210 pounds of grass to increase its weight from 500 to 1,000 pounds. It takes 15,750 pounds of grass to raise that calf to 500 pounds and maintain its 1,200-pound mother for 12 months. http://texasgrassfedbeef.com/improving_the_margin.htm With a cutout percentage of 55%, that equates to 44 pounds of grass for every one pound of edible grass-fed beef. (That number may be slightly skewed due to the fact that the mother will eventually be slaughtered. But whether or not she becomes human food rather than animal feed is debateable.) No one is going to say that the exchange ratio for grass to grain is 1:1. But a great deal of biomass/food can be grown for human consumption on the same land. What can also be said is that if the global population altered its diet considerably to become an enormously less meat centered, and then coupled that reaccessed biomass/land with savings achieved from doubled, tripled or even quadrupled liquid fuel economy (easy enough to do considering the ratio of 10-15 mpg SUVs to 50+ mpg automobiles), there would be none of the starvation that you declare to be inevitable by switching to biomass. And none of the above begins to touch the enormous amount of waste that goes into pork, chicken, egg and milk production. You're also not considering the burden that could be taken off the liquid fuel sector by widely implementing wind and solar and supplanting liquid fuels with renewably derived electricity. All said? Your categorical statement is grossly in error and only approaches any degree of correctness if humans continue their wasteful mindsets and grossly stretched wastelines. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: frag lag [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2004 3:42 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset here's one . The impossibility to use it worldwide? if we plant for it , there's no more space for food... From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Back to grid via WVO genset Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 23:29:29 -0500 Start Here: Vegetable oil has the potential to be 100% carbon neutral and is probably already ~90% carbon neutral despite fossil fuels used in its production, refining and transportation. Fossil fuel is 100% carbon negative right out of the chute and if you include mining, refining and transportation the negative numbers escalate well beyond that. No or almost no SOx, no heavy metals and a few dozen other benefits in comparison. If you want to labor on the math go ahead. But you're banging your head against the wall if you think that you'll come up with any disbenefit that comes anywhere close to the disbenefits of fossil fuels. _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Talk with your online friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org
Re: [Biofuel] Model fuel
methanol,some oil and nitro for power. From: Saul Juliao [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Model fuel Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2004 21:45:12 -0400 Hi Jeff... These models are called diesels but do not run on Diesel fuel... I have a few. The fire off on compression as does a diesel.. the other model engines have glow plugs and run on an alchol based fuel. The diesels run on a fuel based on ether/castor oil and kerosene. Saul Jeff s wrote: hey jeffrey, i had the same question and i think there are some older air plane engines that run off diesel and i think this website even has some newer models for around 150 dollars american http://www.modelflight.com.au/rc_model_accessories/enya_15ss_deisel_control_line.htm you might have to manually type that addy into your browser...let me know what you think or what feedback you get thanks jeff From: Jeffrey Kumjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Model fuel Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 12:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Can you make a model aircraft engine run on biofuel? Jeffrey ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Question about biodiesel
moment , would biodiesel work in it or do i need an ignition source (glowplug) _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [biofuel] cars on ethanol?
Makes me wonder though , i have an old (1958) generator here , 110and220v , 2x10A output with a briggs and stratton engine on it (not runnung atm :( i did see that the needle has no rubber tip... might it be possible to run it on alcohol? From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] cars on ethanol? Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:39:39 +0900 frag_lag wrote: Anyone have any experience or internet links dealing with running cars on pure alcohol/ethanol? I've only been able to find 2 links so far , 1 on journey to forever and 1 dealing with a beetle engine... I would like a lot more info! It would help if you provided more. There's MUCH more information at Journey to Forever than that, but since you haven't said what you found, it makes it hard for me to point you to what you didn't find - though if you found anything you should have found everything else, it's all cross-linked. I suggest you have another look. Did you find all the information in the Biofuels Library for instance? There's also a large amount of information in the list archives, among the 38,000-odd messages over the last five years, and in the Biofuels-biz list archives too: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ Seek and ye shall find. Keith Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/ (best cars to convert , work involved (except increasing jet sizes) failures and successes too pls :) Thanks. _ Play online games with your friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] diesel scooter
what about using svo as lube oil? From: M. Ircham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] diesel scooter Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 21:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Hi Yves, I bet you're a scooter mania and I'm a scooter mania too. but unfortunately, as far as i know there are no scooter use diesel engine. Scooter use gasoline engine, and this time there are some subtitute for petroleum gasoline which is usually called Gasohol (Biogasoline). And i want to apply gasohol to my scooter but i meet some trouble because scooter engine is two stroke engine otherwise gasohol can be use in four stroke engine. The main problem is, the gasohol and the lubricating oil (which is petroleum base) was not dissolved easily, as we know that for two stroke engine the fuel was mixed with lubricating oil before it burn in the engine. Just wait and see until there are some lubricating oil made from biomass to so it can be dissolve easily to gasohol. best regards, M. Ircham, ST Department of Chemical Engineering Institut Teknologi Bandung Indonesia __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail _ MSN Search, for accurate results! http://search.msn.nl Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Will fuel made from used oil meet astm spec?
I know i don't need to meet astm , was just an example :) From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Will fuel made from used oil meet astm spec? Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:08:21 +0900 frag_lag wrote: Wondering , in Germany they are only allowed to use fresh oil because of this.. Here in Holland the same thing is being done as far as i know :-) I wonder how little (much) the oilseed rape interests had to do with that. Dunno about Germany and Holland, but Austria imports a lot of WVO (waste vegetable oil - used, cooked with) for conversion to biodiesel, and Austria has high standards. I think Austria's always been in the lead with biodiesel in Europe (and probably worldwide). Anyway, it's not ASTM standards you should be concerned with - you're in Holland, ASTM is American. Here are the various national standards: National standards for biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield2.html#biodstds See also: Standards and the homebrewer http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_ASTM.html As for your question, one list member's answer: Hey All -- just thought I would let you know that I just received my results from the ASTM tests [the US ASTM D-6751 biodiesel standard] and we passed all categories. Just another good example of a homebrewer in a remote setting (Bahamas) making spec-grade biofuel! Thanks! -- Jack http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_link.html#forums He uses WVO. Best wishes Keith _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Will fuel made from used oil meet astm spec?
Anyway , is it possible to meet the european standard at home then? or is it higher then astm? From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Will fuel made from used oil meet astm spec? Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2004 17:08:21 +0900 frag_lag wrote: Wondering , in Germany they are only allowed to use fresh oil because of this.. Here in Holland the same thing is being done as far as i know :-) I wonder how little (much) the oilseed rape interests had to do with that. Dunno about Germany and Holland, but Austria imports a lot of WVO (waste vegetable oil - used, cooked with) for conversion to biodiesel, and Austria has high standards. I think Austria's always been in the lead with biodiesel in Europe (and probably worldwide). Anyway, it's not ASTM standards you should be concerned with - you're in Holland, ASTM is American. Here are the various national standards: National standards for biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield2.html#biodstds See also: Standards and the homebrewer http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_ASTM.html As for your question, one list member's answer: Hey All -- just thought I would let you know that I just received my results from the ASTM tests [the US ASTM D-6751 biodiesel standard] and we passed all categories. Just another good example of a homebrewer in a remote setting (Bahamas) making spec-grade biofuel! Thanks! -- Jack http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_link.html#forums He uses WVO. Best wishes Keith _ Talk with your online friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Goverment in Holland
yup, ben nederlander he :) but it's better to type english here , the rest migh think i'm a terrorist :P Are you in the netherlands? you should contact the ministry that is concerned with it ( http://www.overheid.nl/organisaties/centraal/ministeries/ ) VenW or AZ and so. and ask if they can direct you and give you some information already also. after that you can also try postbus51 ( http://www.postbus51.nl/ ) and contacting any political party which you know of that will support it and ask questions there. ( http://www.rug.nl/dnpp/politiekePartijen/ ) _ Play online games with your friends with MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.nl/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
