Re: [Biofuel] pendulum/lever
Yes, And if you could drive the motion with the wind you could heat the water and pump it too. - Original Message - From: Wes Moore<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org<mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2007 4:46 AM Subject: [Biofuel] pendulum/lever Frank, I think the link shows some experiment of him attempting to apply the use in a go cart, I didn't understand what he was trying to do. The most interesting concept to me might be to configure it with a magnet and coil similar to the induction flashlights that work by shaking (sliding a magnet back and forth through a coil). Somewhere in the link you will also see the idea to attach magnets at either end of the pendulum swing. This or electro magnets should keep the unit in motion indefinitely. All in all I think the most beautiful part of this invention is a water pump for developing nation's farmers. http://www.rexresearch.com/milkovic/milkovic.htm<http://www.rexresearch.com/milkovic/milkovic.htm> Wes Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 23:31:04 -0500 From: "Frank Navarrete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Castor oil as a therapy To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org<mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]<mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Hi Wes, Interesting link to Milkovic's work. I wonder if you could apply added pendulum energy to a bicycle, and have a sort of long-distance low-effort gear. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org<mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org> http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org<http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org> Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html<http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html> Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/<http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/> ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] pendulum/lever
Keith and Doug: Some of the points you both have expressed I consider corrections to my thinking. And it is appreciated. Re the car jack and lever/bate example I had overlooked the distance of moving 2 tons . I am convinced but not totally satisfied. I have been through this example before. My mind keeps reverting back to when I jacked up the 2 storey shed/workshop. It still amazes me that I was able to lift that thing with a bait . sure seemed an efficient use of my breakfast that day! I still wonder how many calories would have been consumed if I was able to lift it the old fashioned way. I think I could have lifted this thing perhaps 100 xs with the bait before I needed to refill at lunch time. I also compare the energy it takes to push a child on a swing. If the timing is right a little energy input from the 'pusher' goes a long way. This example has been used by some researchers.. if you could get the timing right and pulse the electricity in a harmonized way you can use motive force to your advantage. There are at least 2 examples of motor controllers that show an increased efficiency and run noticeably cooler to touch when using a solid state controller with a given load. If it is the mechanism I described here I suppose the effect would be lost at full load if the motor was sized and designed properly. Still in reality a saving is shown in the real world. A local college professor once said 'we sometimes make things work in the lab that won't work in theory" So in short, while I share your disappointment in many of the offerings, I anticipate breakthrough anytime now. There are probably some cons out there but I should like to think most inventors are trying hard and honest. I hope, Keith, if you have time for just one video you will be able to watch this one where ten wind up flashlights are able to be lit with the energy it takes to light one. This is obviously not meant for anything more than a demonstration, but I think it will lead to more. I am sure there are plenty of folks at this site who would be very capable of furthering this. http://www.micropixel.biz/veljkomilkovic/videos/Veljko_Milkovic_(video-7)_Un iversal_oscillator-generator.wmv Regarding the EBM overunity motor posted at Keelynet. Sorry I did not post their website Here it is http://www.gammamanager.com/ one of the links commenting said they have not in fact achieved enough energy to be self running, but it did not indicate a date. The company's certified engineering data states a 24.9 KW input is delivering 32.29 KW output produced as heat, obviously this is not what we are looking for. The second test shows a 101.8 KW unit is putting out 108.6 KW as electrical energy and heat. This is impressive but still a little disappointing, I hope they can improve on this. This data was published in Aug of this year. Wes Hello Wes >Hi Keith > >At the referenced website there are videos in operation. >Unfortunately you have to copy paste to access the video links. I >know that you must go through a ton of info daily so I will attempt >to provide a few direct links here: Thanks, but the ton of info usually passes me by these days, very little time to spare for keyboards, and, sad to say, I have trouble accessing video online. But I'll try... >http://www.micropixel.biz/veljkomilkovic/videos/Veljko_Milkovic_(vide >o-4)_Mechanical_hammer.wmv > >http://www.micropixel.biz/veljkomilkovic/videos/Veljko_Milkovic_(vide >o-5)_Laboratory_pump.wmv > >http://www.micropixel.biz/veljkomilkovic/videos/Veljko_Milkovic_(vide >o-7)_Universal_oscillator-generator.wmv > >Apparently Milkovic has done public demonstrations of the water pump >as seen in the pictures at the main page > >http://www.rexresearch.com/milkovic/milkovic.htm > >In this concept a person would be able to swing the pendulum every >once in a while to maintain a constant water flow. He claims that >one pendulum swing oscillates for about 130 xs. Putting a load on >the pump end seems to have little effect on the oscillation although >it must have a dampening effect on the energy transferred to the >lever action. Yes, but as the guy said, a neat little device but not free energy. >The "dangling magnets" does not quite describe the proposed >application. It was postulated that 2 stationary magnets placed at >the proximity of the extreme ends of the oscillation with like >magnets mounted on the pendulum would force the motion. In my >opinion however I think this would dampen the swing. I think >opposing magnets would draw the swing and if they are positioned so >they can not make contact would release at the end of the swing. >Barring this, I suppose solenoids with a trip switch may be >effective. > >The beauty of this is that anyone can replicate a toy to experiment >with these concepts due to its simplicity. > >Regarding other over unity devices: > >Keelynet posted this link: :-) >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6MDHF39XmU from
Re: [Biofuel] pendulum/lever
Perhaps not over-unit, the pendulum does seem to reduce input energy by its very nature, and in the case of pumps or any device why not take mechanical advantage of it? Lots of watches run indefinitely on the simple motions of the wearers hand encouraging a pendulum. I think there's room for its use elsewhere where it isn't being used. On 1/7/07, Keith Addison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hope springs eternal, as indeed it should, but in a field where there > is no case that has not proved to be a scam hope is best leavened > with due scepticism. > > Posted several times before: > > >Eric Krieg lists 78 free energy scams here, doesn't seem to get into > >the zero-point stuff and instant cold fusion, so there's all that > >besides: > >http://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html > >Eric's history of Perpetual Motion and Free Energy Machines > > > >Plus: > >How to become a Free Energy con man > >http://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htm > > > >And: > >The Museum of Unworkable Devices > >http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm > > Best > > Keith > > > > > >Frank, I think the link shows some experiment of him attempting to apply > > >the > > >use in a go cart, I didn't understand what he was trying to do. > > >The most interesting concept to me might be to configure it with a magnet > > >and coil similar to the induction flashlights that work by shaking (sliding > > >a magnet back and forth through a coil). > > >Somewhere in the link you will also see the idea to attach magnets at > > >either > > >end of the pendulum swing. This or electro magnets should keep the unit in > > >motion indefinitely. > > >All in all I think the most beautiful part of this invention is a water > > >pump > > >for developing nation's farmers. > > >http://www.rexresearch.com/milkovic/milkovic.htm > > > >http://www.gyogyitokezek.hu/fe/pendpump.htm > >The water hand-pump with pendulum of Veljko Milkovic > > > >It would be beautiful if there are or ever were any working examples > >that actually pumped water with 9:1 over-unity energy, or any > >over-unity, do you know of any such examples? > > > >Do you know of any other working, real-world, attested, authenticated > >examples of this over-unity device working? Or of any over-unity > >device working? > > > >I think this about sums it up: > > > > >"I did look at several sites describing the "pendulum of Veljko > > >Milkovic". It seems like a neat little device and it does provide > > >for hands-free operation because the human force is stored in the > > >pendulum swing so that the pump continues to pump for awhile after > > >the push. > > > > > >The machine is not a free energy device. All the energy for the pump > > >comes from the person pushing the pendulum. If it were really > > >overunity (one claim was 9 times as much energy out as in), it would > > >be easy to set it up to pump forever. > > > > > >Its a neat little invention. It is not free energy. It is not > > >perpetual motion. It is not over-unity. It is a cool hand pump. > > >There are many hand pumps of many designs available. Show me one > > >that pumps without input energy from a person or other source and > > >then we will have "free energy". > > > >http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=35461#Item_6 > > > >I doubt dangling magnets off it will help much. > > > >Best > > > >Keith > > > > > > >Wes > > > > > >Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 23:31:04 -0500 > > >From: "Frank Navarrete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Castor oil as a therapy > > >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > > >Message-ID: > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed > > > > > >Hi Wes, > > >Interesting link to Milkovic's work. I wonder if you could apply > > >added pendulum energy to a bicycle, and have a sort of long-distance > > >low-effort gear. > > > ___ > Biofuel mailing list > Biofuel@sustainablelists.org > http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org > > Biofuel at Journey to Forever: > http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html > > Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): > http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ > > ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] pendulum/lever
Hello Wes >Hi Keith > >At the referenced website there are videos in operation. >Unfortunately you have to copy paste to access the video links. I >know that you must go through a ton of info daily so I will attempt >to provide a few direct links here: Thanks, but the ton of info usually passes me by these days, very little time to spare for keyboards, and, sad to say, I have trouble accessing video online. But I'll try... >http://www.micropixel.biz/veljkomilkovic/videos/Veljko_Milkovic_(vide >o-4)_Mechanical_hammer.wmv > >http://www.micropixel.biz/veljkomilkovic/videos/Veljko_Milkovic_(vide >o-5)_Laboratory_pump.wmv > >http://www.micropixel.biz/veljkomilkovic/videos/Veljko_Milkovic_(vide >o-7)_Universal_oscillator-generator.wmv > >Apparently Milkovic has done public demonstrations of the water pump >as seen in the pictures at the main page > >http://www.rexresearch.com/milkovic/milkovic.htm > >In this concept a person would be able to swing the pendulum every >once in a while to maintain a constant water flow. He claims that >one pendulum swing oscillates for about 130 xs. Putting a load on >the pump end seems to have little effect on the oscillation although >it must have a dampening effect on the energy transferred to the >lever action. Yes, but as the guy said, a neat little device but not free energy. >The "dangling magnets" does not quite describe the proposed >application. It was postulated that 2 stationary magnets placed at >the proximity of the extreme ends of the oscillation with like >magnets mounted on the pendulum would force the motion. In my >opinion however I think this would dampen the swing. I think >opposing magnets would draw the swing and if they are positioned so >they can not make contact would release at the end of the swing. >Barring this, I suppose solenoids with a trip switch may be >effective. > >The beauty of this is that anyone can replicate a toy to experiment >with these concepts due to its simplicity. > >Regarding other over unity devices: > >Keelynet posted this link: :-) >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6MDHF39XmU from Budapest. They >claim a coordinated effort from labs in Toronto and London. It >achieves 1.4 over unity according to the claim. I am hoping this is >true and that it does not get utilized by energy companies without >passing the savings on to the consumer. This might be similar in >concept to the 1.2 over unity that Mitsubishi was speaking of a few >years back. Were they? Got a link? Anyway... >Hope this helps Well, in other words... >It would be beautiful if there are or ever were any working examples >that actually pumped water with 9:1 over-unity energy, or any >over-unity, do you know of any such examples? > >Do you know of any other working, real-world, attested, authenticated >examples of this over-unity device working? Or of any over-unity >device working? ... the answer's no. >Wes > >N.B. over unity and free energy are not the same. While the energy >to pump the lever is not considered free energy it can be considered >over unity just as a person with a car jack can use perhaps 20 lbs >of force to lift a 2 ton car. I don't think that's a valid comparison. >I agree with being skeptical. However, it would not be surprising to >me if energy interests use a portion of their might to discredit >anything deemed to threaten the profit line. Indeed it wouldn't be surprising, but on the other hand that is invariably a part of the alleged conspiracy that thwarts alleged free energy devices. I'll stick with the scepticism thanks. The list has looked at dozens of these claims by now, all hogwash. Sad to say. Free energy and over-unity devices usually elicit a polarised response with sceptics on one side and true believers on the other, and both sides tend to be dogged about it. I think there quite possibly is such a thing waiting to be discovered and I'm certainly not against people seeking it. But the main lesson learnt so far is that there's definitely a need for scepticism and a rigorous approach. That won't faze a genuine breakthrough, if ever. Right now it's just pie in the sky. Best Keith >http://www.rexresearch.com/milkovic/milkovic.htm > >http://www.gyogyitokezek.hu/fe/pendpump.htm >The water hand-pump with pendulum of Veljko Milkovic > >Keith wrote: > >It would be beautiful if there are or ever were any working examples >that actually pumped water with 9:1 over-unity energy, or any >over-unity, do you know of any such examples? > >Do you know of any other working, real-world, attested, authenticated >examples of this over-unity device working? Or of any over-unity >device working? > >I think this about sums it up: > > >"I did look at several sites describing the "pendulum of Veljko > >Milkovic". It seems like a neat little device and it does provide > >for hands-free operation because the human force is stored in the > >pendulum swing so that the pump continues to pump for awhile
Re: [Biofuel] pendulum/lever
Wes Moore wrote: > Hi Keith > > N.B. over unity and free energy are not the same. While the energy to > pump the lever is not considered free energy it can be considered over > unity just as a person with a car jack can use perhaps 20 lbs of force > to lift a 2 ton car. I agree with being skeptical. However, it would > not be surprising to me if energy interests use a portion of their > might to discredit anything deemed to threaten the profit line. > As I see it, a car jack is far from overunity, the kinetic energy you put into a jack, (hydraulic for example) requires a lot of repetitions of the one action, which will lift a car a small distance. This gives the car potential energy, (mass, gravity) It is the same with lifting with a lever, or a block and tackle. the distance you move to effect a movement in a heavy mass will increase proportionately with the ratio of lever length, or number of pulleys in the machine that is being used to convert your work. doug -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] pendulum/lever
Hi Keith At the referenced website there are videos in operation. Unfortunately you have to copy paste to access the video links. I know that you must go through a ton of info daily so I will attempt to provide a few direct links here: http://www.micropixel.biz/veljkomilkovic/videos/Veljko_Milkovic_(video-4)_Me chanical_hammer.wmv http://www.micropixel.biz/veljkomilkovic/videos/Veljko_Milkovic_(video-5)_La boratory_pump.wmv http://www.micropixel.biz/veljkomilkovic/videos/Veljko_Milkovic_(video-7)_Un iversal_oscillator-generator.wmv Apparently Milkovic has done public demonstrations of the water pump as seen in the pictures at the main page http://www.rexresearch.com/milkovic/milkovic.htm In this concept a person would be able to swing the pendulum every once in a while to maintain a constant water flow. He claims that one pendulum swing oscillates for about 130 xs. Putting a load on the pump end seems to have little effect on the oscillation although it must have a dampening effect on the energy transferred to the lever action. The "dangling magnets" does not quite describe the proposed application. It was postulated that 2 stationary magnets placed at the proximity of the extreme ends of the oscillation with like magnets mounted on the pendulum would force the motion. In my opinion however I think this would dampen the swing. I think opposing magnets would draw the swing and if they are positioned so they can not make contact would release at the end of the swing. Barring this, I suppose solenoids with a trip switch may be effective. The beauty of this is that anyone can replicate a toy to experiment with these concepts due to its simplicity. Regarding other over unity devices: Keelynet posted this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-6MDHF39XmU from Budapest. They claim a coordinated effort from labs in Toronto and London. It achieves 1.4 over unity according to the claim. I am hoping this is true and that it does not get utilized by energy companies without passing the savings on to the consumer. This might be similar in concept to the 1.2 over unity that Mitsubishi was speaking of a few years back. Hope this helps Wes N.B. over unity and free energy are not the same. While the energy to pump the lever is not considered free energy it can be considered over unity just as a person with a car jack can use perhaps 20 lbs of force to lift a 2 ton car. I agree with being skeptical. However, it would not be surprising to me if energy interests use a portion of their might to discredit anything deemed to threaten the profit line. >http://www.rexresearch.com/milkovic/milkovic.htm http://www.gyogyitokezek.hu/fe/pendpump.htm The water hand-pump with pendulum of Veljko Milkovic Keith wrote: It would be beautiful if there are or ever were any working examples that actually pumped water with 9:1 over-unity energy, or any over-unity, do you know of any such examples? Do you know of any other working, real-world, attested, authenticated examples of this over-unity device working? Or of any over-unity device working? I think this about sums it up: >"I did look at several sites describing the "pendulum of Veljko >Milkovic". It seems like a neat little device and it does provide >for hands-free operation because the human force is stored in the >pendulum swing so that the pump continues to pump for awhile after >the push. > >The machine is not a free energy device. All the energy for the pump >comes from the person pushing the pendulum. If it were really >overunity (one claim was 9 times as much energy out as in), it would >be easy to set it up to pump forever. > >Its a neat little invention. It is not free energy. It is not >perpetual motion. It is not over-unity. It is a cool hand pump. >There are many hand pumps of many designs available. Show me one >that pumps without input energy from a person or other source and >then we will have "free energy". http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=35461#Item_6 I doubt dangling magnets off it will help much. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] pendulum/lever
Hope springs eternal, as indeed it should, but in a field where there is no case that has not proved to be a scam hope is best leavened with due scepticism. Posted several times before: >Eric Krieg lists 78 free energy scams here, doesn't seem to get into >the zero-point stuff and instant cold fusion, so there's all that >besides: >http://www.phact.org/e/dennis4.html >Eric's history of Perpetual Motion and Free Energy Machines > >Plus: >How to become a Free Energy con man >http://www.phact.org/e/con_man.htm > >And: >The Museum of Unworkable Devices >http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/museum/unwork.htm Best Keith > >Frank, I think the link shows some experiment of him attempting to apply the > >use in a go cart, I didn't understand what he was trying to do. > >The most interesting concept to me might be to configure it with a magnet > >and coil similar to the induction flashlights that work by shaking (sliding > >a magnet back and forth through a coil). > >Somewhere in the link you will also see the idea to attach magnets at either > >end of the pendulum swing. This or electro magnets should keep the unit in > >motion indefinitely. > >All in all I think the most beautiful part of this invention is a water pump > >for developing nation's farmers. > >http://www.rexresearch.com/milkovic/milkovic.htm > >http://www.gyogyitokezek.hu/fe/pendpump.htm >The water hand-pump with pendulum of Veljko Milkovic > >It would be beautiful if there are or ever were any working examples >that actually pumped water with 9:1 over-unity energy, or any >over-unity, do you know of any such examples? > >Do you know of any other working, real-world, attested, authenticated >examples of this over-unity device working? Or of any over-unity >device working? > >I think this about sums it up: > > >"I did look at several sites describing the "pendulum of Veljko > >Milkovic". It seems like a neat little device and it does provide > >for hands-free operation because the human force is stored in the > >pendulum swing so that the pump continues to pump for awhile after > >the push. > > > >The machine is not a free energy device. All the energy for the pump > >comes from the person pushing the pendulum. If it were really > >overunity (one claim was 9 times as much energy out as in), it would > >be easy to set it up to pump forever. > > > >Its a neat little invention. It is not free energy. It is not > >perpetual motion. It is not over-unity. It is a cool hand pump. > >There are many hand pumps of many designs available. Show me one > >that pumps without input energy from a person or other source and > >then we will have "free energy". > >http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=35461#Item_6 > >I doubt dangling magnets off it will help much. > >Best > >Keith > > > >Wes > > > >Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 23:31:04 -0500 > >From: "Frank Navarrete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Castor oil as a therapy > >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org > >Message-ID: > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed > > > >Hi Wes, > >Interesting link to Milkovic's work. I wonder if you could apply > >added pendulum energy to a bicycle, and have a sort of long-distance > >low-effort gear. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] pendulum/lever
>Frank, I think the link shows some experiment of him attempting to apply the >use in a go cart, I didn't understand what he was trying to do. >The most interesting concept to me might be to configure it with a magnet >and coil similar to the induction flashlights that work by shaking (sliding >a magnet back and forth through a coil). >Somewhere in the link you will also see the idea to attach magnets at either >end of the pendulum swing. This or electro magnets should keep the unit in >motion indefinitely. >All in all I think the most beautiful part of this invention is a water pump >for developing nation's farmers. >http://www.rexresearch.com/milkovic/milkovic.htm http://www.gyogyitokezek.hu/fe/pendpump.htm The water hand-pump with pendulum of Veljko Milkovic It would be beautiful if there are or ever were any working examples that actually pumped water with 9:1 over-unity energy, or any over-unity, do you know of any such examples? Do you know of any other working, real-world, attested, authenticated examples of this over-unity device working? Or of any over-unity device working? I think this about sums it up: >"I did look at several sites describing the "pendulum of Veljko >Milkovic". It seems like a neat little device and it does provide >for hands-free operation because the human force is stored in the >pendulum swing so that the pump continues to pump for awhile after >the push. > >The machine is not a free energy device. All the energy for the pump >comes from the person pushing the pendulum. If it were really >overunity (one claim was 9 times as much energy out as in), it would >be easy to set it up to pump forever. > >Its a neat little invention. It is not free energy. It is not >perpetual motion. It is not over-unity. It is a cool hand pump. >There are many hand pumps of many designs available. Show me one >that pumps without input energy from a person or other source and >then we will have "free energy". http://www.steorn.net/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=35461#Item_6 I doubt dangling magnets off it will help much. Best Keith >Wes > >Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 23:31:04 -0500 >From: "Frank Navarrete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Castor oil as a therapy >To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org >Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed > >Hi Wes, >Interesting link to Milkovic's work. I wonder if you could apply >added pendulum energy to a bicycle, and have a sort of long-distance >low-effort gear. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] pendulum/lever
Frank, I think the link shows some experiment of him attempting to apply the use in a go cart, I didn't understand what he was trying to do. The most interesting concept to me might be to configure it with a magnet and coil similar to the induction flashlights that work by shaking (sliding a magnet back and forth through a coil). Somewhere in the link you will also see the idea to attach magnets at either end of the pendulum swing. This or electro magnets should keep the unit in motion indefinitely. All in all I think the most beautiful part of this invention is a water pump for developing nation's farmers. http://www.rexresearch.com/milkovic/milkovic.htm Wes Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2007 23:31:04 -0500 From: "Frank Navarrete" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Castor oil as a therapy To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=WINDOWS-1252; format=flowed Hi Wes, Interesting link to Milkovic's work. I wonder if you could apply added pendulum energy to a bicycle, and have a sort of long-distance low-effort gear. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
