Re[2]: [biofuel] Oil and Israel
Hallo MM, Thursday, 27 May, 2004, 12:36:07, you wrote: Of course there were no weapons of mass destruction. Israel's intelligence, Mossad, knows what's going on in Iraq. They are the best. They have to know. m Actually, around the time of the start of the invasion of Iraq, m Israeli Intelligence, I saw in one news report, stated that WMD or m other weapons (I don't recall how it was put) were being moved to m Syria. I've never seen this mentioned before or since. Intelligence services are not to be trusted. Dis/mis-information is a valuable tool as much as good intel is. All possible sources must be monitored and the info correlated and either falsified or coroborated. A lot of work and it is only really good over the long haul. One has to be a really good analyst to sort the wheat from the chaff. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re[2]: [biofuel] Oil and Israel
--- Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Hallo MM, Thursday, 27 May, 2004, 12:36:07, you wrote: Of course there were no weapons of mass destruction. Israel's intelligence, Mossad, knows what's going on in Iraq. They are the best. They have to know. m Actually, around the time of the start of the invasion of Iraq, m Israeli Intelligence, I saw in one news report, stated that WMD or m other weapons (I don't recall how it was put) were being moved to m Syria. I've never seen this mentioned before or since. Intelligence services are not to be trusted. Dis/mis-information is a valuable tool as much as good intel is. All possible sources must be monitored and the info correlated and either falsified or coroborated. A lot of work and it is only really good over the long haul. One has to be a really good analyst to sort the wheat from the chaff. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. oh ya! if the wmd moved to syria, the American geostationary satellite, that has been keeping an eye on iraq since the golf war, would spot them. Isreal has its own agenda to undermine the neighboring Arab countries so that Isrealian can keep the land they stole from the Arabs in 1967. How does the USA justify the possesion of 100 atomic bombs by the Isrealians and anything else the Arabs may or may not possess. Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Oil and Israel -- Don't forget the Neo-Cons and the Evangelical Right
--- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - See: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/23824/ Best Keith I think the real reason for this war can be traced back to Mr. Bush's Evangelical roots... and his faith based approach to foreign policy. Radical Neo-Conservatives are running this country and doing exactly what they have proposed for years... They believe without failing that by installing a democratic regime in the Middle East, they can convert the Islamic world to be more like the West. This irrational policy totally ignores facts, and cannot hear any dissent (or logic). They Bush Administration is simply doing exactly what the Evangelical and Neo-Con movements have been talking about for years! None of this should be a surprise to anyone. The largest political block in this country supporting the war has been, and continues to be, evangelical Christians (polling at 80% in support of the war). To pass the blame onto Israel is really a copout Sure the current Likud government is in support of the war, but Bush would sell Israel down the river in a second if he thought it would help his political position. I advise everyone to go to PBS and watch a Frontline piece on Bushes ties to the Evangelical Christian right. In his mind we are fighting the Armageddon... clash of civilizations. Israel and the Jews are not running this show... I really believe that Israel is only important to this administration as a pawn in the biblical prophecy they truly believe they are fulfilling. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/ We are truly in scary times We need to all work for change and bring this country and the world back from the brink. Matt Golden - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 8:49 AM Subject: [biofuel] Oil and Israel http://www.tompaine.com/articles/oil_and_israel.php Oil and Israel Bob Dreyfuss , The Dreyfuss Report May 25, 2004 The two unmentionables about Iraq are suddenly getting mentioned. The real reasons for the attack on Iraq had nothing to do with WMDs, that ultimate red herring. The real reasons: oil and Israel. Let's take oil first. Prince Turki al -Faisal , the Saudi ambassador to the UK and no radical he, charges that the invasion of Iraq might have had something to do with what's under Iraq's sand: http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/forms/printstory.asp?section=Breaki ngstoryId=868913tw=wn_wire_story The U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was a colonial war and there were some in the United States who saw it as a means of getting their hands on Iraqi oil, a senior Saudi ambassador was quoted as saying Monday. Prince Turki al-Faisal, ambassador to Britain and Ireland, told the Irish Independent newspaper Washington's stated aims in going to war in Iraq masked a more cynical reality. No matter how exalted the aims of the U.S. in that war, in the final analysis it was a colonial war very similar to the wars conducted by the ex-colonial powers when they went out to conquer the rest of the world ..., Prince Turki said. John Kerry, ever Mr. Cautious (if only I can stay two points to the left of Bush I can win), suggested that oil might have had something do with the invasion, too. Kerry, who's constantly bashing the Saudis, didn't exactly line up with Prince Turki. And he didn't exactly sound like an anti-imperialist, either. But he did suggest that oil was a factor. In a Washington Times piece entitled Kerry hints at link between oil, Iraq war, the Times reports: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040524-103200-9250r.htm Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry yesterday suggested that America's dependence on foreign oil is the major reason the United States went to war with Iraq. A strong America begins at home-with energy independence from the Middle East. Let's ensure that no young American soldier has to fight and die because of our dependence on foreign oil, the Massachusetts senator said. Okay, not exactly courageous, but it's a start. Speaking of courage though, have you seen Sen. Fritz Hollings' statement that Israel, too, was a major reason for the war in Iraq? Hollings, the white-haired courtly southern gentleman, who's finally retiring and getting out of Dodge, wrote an article for the Charleston Post and Courier on May 6 (now posted on Hollings' website), noting that perhaps President Bush was motivated to attack Iraq more by his desire to protect Ariel Sharon's Israel than any other reason. Wrote Hollings : http://hollings.senate.gov/~hollings/opinion/2004506A17.html Of course there were no weapons of mass destruction. Israel's intelligence, Mossad, knows what's going on in Iraq. They are the best. They have to know. Israel's survival depends on knowing. Israel long since would have taken
Re: [biofuel] Oil and Israel -- Don't forget the Neo-Cons and the Evangelical Right
fox mulder wrote: I am sorry you are wrong in your perception of Bush's motivation. It seems you have a pro-isreal stance.Isreal has stolen Arab land in breech of th united nation resolution. Whenever, this question arises in the UN, Bush will veto any motion put forward by the UN. Futhermore, Bush has backed the Shoron's plan to keep the west bank land he stole from the Arabs. Is this just? How please explain. Huh? When you say you it could mean me, the most likely choice as it's my message you're replying to, or Matt, or reporter Bob Dreyfuss or any of the people he mentions. So which exactly do you mean? I don't see a pro-Israel stance in any of them. Please explain. Keith Addison --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - See: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/23824/ Best Keith I think the real reason for this war can be traced back to Mr. Bush's Evangelical roots... and his faith based approach to foreign policy. Radical Neo-Conservatives are running this country and doing exactly what they have proposed for years... They believe without failing that by installing a democratic regime in the Middle East, they can convert the Islamic world to be more like the West. This irrational policy totally ignores facts, and cannot hear any dissent (or logic). They Bush Administration is simply doing exactly what the Evangelical and Neo-Con movements have been talking about for years! None of this should be a surprise to anyone. The largest political block in this country supporting the war has been, and continues to be, evangelical Christians (polling at 80% in support of the war). To pass the blame onto Israel is really a copout Sure the current Likud government is in support of the war, but Bush would sell Israel down the river in a second if he thought it would help his political position. I advise everyone to go to PBS and watch a Frontline piece on Bushes ties to the Evangelical Christian right. In his mind we are fighting the Armageddon... clash of civilizations. Israel and the Jews are not running this show... I really believe that Israel is only important to this administration as a pawn in the biblical prophecy they truly believe they are fulfilling. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/ We are truly in scary times We need to all work for change and bring this country and the world back from the brink. Matt Golden - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 8:49 AM Subject: [biofuel] Oil and Israel http://www.tompaine.com/articles/oil_and_israel.php Oil and Israel Bob Dreyfuss , The Dreyfuss Report May 25, 2004 The two unmentionables about Iraq are suddenly getting mentioned. The real reasons for the attack on Iraq had nothing to do with WMDs, that ultimate red herring. The real reasons: oil and Israel. Let's take oil first. Prince Turki al -Faisal , the Saudi ambassador to the UK and no radical he, charges that the invasion of Iraq might have had something to do with what's under Iraq's sand: http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/forms/printstory.asp?section=Breaki ngstoryId=868913tw=wn_wire_story The U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was a colonial war and there were some in the United States who saw it as a means of getting their hands on Iraqi oil, a senior Saudi ambassador was quoted as saying Monday. Prince Turki al-Faisal, ambassador to Britain and Ireland, told the Irish Independent newspaper Washington's stated aims in going to war in Iraq masked a more cynical reality. No matter how exalted the aims of the U.S. in that war, in the final analysis it was a colonial war very similar to the wars conducted by the ex-colonial powers when they went out to conquer the rest of the world ..., Prince Turki said. John Kerry, ever Mr. Cautious (if only I can stay two points to the left of Bush I can win), suggested that oil might have had something do with the invasion, too. Kerry, who's constantly bashing the Saudis, didn't exactly line up with Prince Turki. And he didn't exactly sound like an anti-imperialist, either. But he did suggest that oil was a factor. In a Washington Times piece entitled Kerry hints at link between oil, Iraq war, the Times reports: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040524-103200-9250r.htm Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry yesterday suggested that America's dependence on foreign oil is the major reason the United States went to war with Iraq. A strong America begins at home-with energy independence from the Middle East. Let's ensure that no young American soldier has to fight and die because of our dependence on foreign oil, the Massachusetts senator said. Okay, not exactly courageous, but it's a start. Speaking
[biofuel] Oil and Israel
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/oil_and_israel.php Oil and Israel Bob Dreyfuss , The Dreyfuss Report May 25, 2004 The two unmentionables about Iraq are suddenly getting mentioned. The real reasons for the attack on Iraq had nothing to do with WMDs, that ultimate red herring. The real reasons: oil and Israel. Let's take oil first. Prince Turki al -Faisal , the Saudi ambassador to the UK and no radical he, charges that the invasion of Iraq might have had something to do with what's under Iraq's sand: http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/forms/printstory.asp?section=Breaki ngstoryId=868913tw=wn_wire_story The U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was a colonial war and there were some in the United States who saw it as a means of getting their hands on Iraqi oil, a senior Saudi ambassador was quoted as saying Monday. Prince Turki al-Faisal, ambassador to Britain and Ireland, told the Irish Independent newspaper Washington's stated aims in going to war in Iraq masked a more cynical reality. No matter how exalted the aims of the U.S. in that war, in the final analysis it was a colonial war very similar to the wars conducted by the ex-colonial powers when they went out to conquer the rest of the world ..., Prince Turki said. John Kerry, ever Mr. Cautious (if only I can stay two points to the left of Bush I can win), suggested that oil might have had something do with the invasion, too. Kerry, who's constantly bashing the Saudis, didn't exactly line up with Prince Turki. And he didn't exactly sound like an anti-imperialist, either. But he did suggest that oil was a factor. In a Washington Times piece entitled Kerry hints at link between oil, Iraq war, the Times reports: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040524-103200-9250r.htm Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry yesterday suggested that America's dependence on foreign oil is the major reason the United States went to war with Iraq. A strong America begins at home-with energy independence from the Middle East. Let's ensure that no young American soldier has to fight and die because of our dependence on foreign oil, the Massachusetts senator said. Okay, not exactly courageous, but it's a start. Speaking of courage though, have you seen Sen. Fritz Hollings' statement that Israel, too, was a major reason for the war in Iraq? Hollings, the white-haired courtly southern gentleman, who's finally retiring and getting out of Dodge, wrote an article for the Charleston Post and Courier on May 6 (now posted on Hollings' website), noting that perhaps President Bush was motivated to attack Iraq more by his desire to protect Ariel Sharon's Israel than any other reason. Wrote Hollings : http://hollings.senate.gov/~hollings/opinion/2004506A17.html Of course there were no weapons of mass destruction. Israel's intelligence, Mossad, knows what's going on in Iraq. They are the best. They have to know. Israel's survival depends on knowing. Israel long since would have taken us to the weapons of mass destruction if there were any or if they had been removed. With Iraq no threat, why invade a sovereign country? The answer: President Bush's policy to secure Israel. Led by Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and Charles Krauthammer, for years there has been a domino school of thought that the way to guarantee Israel's security is to spread democracy in the area. You don't come to town and announce your Israel policy is to invade Iraq. But George W. Bush, as stated by former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neill and others, started laying the groundwork to invade Iraq days after inauguration. And, without any Iraq connection to 9/11, within weeks he had the Pentagon outlining a plan to invade Iraq. For making that courageous statement, Hollings noted in a statement two weeks later that he was attacked for being anti-Semitic. Yet he went on to accuse the Project for a New American Century of developing that domino policy for Israel, and he added that he was sticking to his guns: That is exactly what it is. But they know how to make you tuck tail and run. Not the Senator from South Carolina. We don't run. http://hollings.senate.gov/~hollings/statements/2004521A35.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:
Re: [biofuel] Oil and Israel
Prince Turki al-Faisal, ambassador to Britain and Ireland, told the Irish Independent newspaper Washington's stated aims in going to war in Iraq masked a more cynical reality. No matter how exalted the aims of the U.S. in that war, in the final analysis it was a colonial war very similar to the wars conducted by the ex-colonial powers when they went out to conquer the rest of the world ..., Prince Turki said. John Kerry, ever Mr. Cautious (if only I can stay two points to the left of Bush I can win), suggested that oil might have had something do with the invasion, too. Kerry, who's constantly bashing the Saudis, didn't exactly line up with Prince Turki. And he didn't exactly sound like an anti-imperialist, either. But he did suggest that oil was a factor. In a Washington Times piece entitled Kerry hints at link between oil, Iraq war, the Times reports: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040524-103200-9250r.htm Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry yesterday suggested that America's dependence on foreign oil is the major reason the United States went to war with Iraq. A strong America begins at home-with energy independence from the Middle East. Let's ensure that no young American soldier has to fight and die because of our dependence on foreign oil, the Massachusetts senator said. I'd like to point out that there are some substantial differences in trying to make the case that America's oil dependencies have 'led' inexorably to certain events, and to claiming that, specifically and simplistically, America was simply trying to take oil. They are not necessarily the same claim. I would be very much in favor of examining the first point and trying to figure it out and examine the issue of causality. As to the second, I question it, though I guess it's possible. The author of this article, though, leaves little or no room for the idea that there could be a difference, so the conversation and the article to me becomes far less worth my while. Of course there were no weapons of mass destruction. Israel's intelligence, Mossad, knows what's going on in Iraq. They are the best. They have to know. Actually, around the time of the start of the invasion of Iraq, Israeli Intelligence, I saw in one news report, stated that WMD or other weapons (I don't recall how it was put) were being moved to Syria. I've never seen this mentioned before or since. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Oil and Israel -- Don't forget the Neo-Cons and the Evangelical Right
I think the real reason for this war can be traced back to Mr. Bush's Evangelical roots... and his faith based approach to foreign policy. Radical Neo-Conservatives are running this country and doing exactly what they have proposed for years... They believe without failing that by installing a democratic regime in the Middle East, they can convert the Islamic world to be more like the West. This irrational policy totally ignores facts, and cannot hear any dissent (or logic). They Bush Administration is simply doing exactly what the Evangelical and Neo-Con movements have been talking about for years! None of this should be a surprise to anyone. The largest political block in this country supporting the war has been, and continues to be, evangelical Christians (polling at 80% in support of the war). To pass the blame onto Israel is really a copout Sure the current Likud government is in support of the war, but Bush would sell Israel down the river in a second if he thought it would help his political position. I advise everyone to go to PBS and watch a Frontline piece on Bushes ties to the Evangelical Christian right. In his mind we are fighting the Armageddon... clash of civilizations. Israel and the Jews are not running this show... I really believe that Israel is only important to this administration as a pawn in the biblical prophecy they truly believe they are fulfilling. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/ We are truly in scary times We need to all work for change and bring this country and the world back from the brink. Matt Golden - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 8:49 AM Subject: [biofuel] Oil and Israel http://www.tompaine.com/articles/oil_and_israel.php Oil and Israel Bob Dreyfuss , The Dreyfuss Report May 25, 2004 The two unmentionables about Iraq are suddenly getting mentioned. The real reasons for the attack on Iraq had nothing to do with WMDs, that ultimate red herring. The real reasons: oil and Israel. Let's take oil first. Prince Turki al -Faisal , the Saudi ambassador to the UK and no radical he, charges that the invasion of Iraq might have had something to do with what's under Iraq's sand: http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/forms/printstory.asp?section=Breaki ngstoryId=868913tw=wn_wire_story The U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was a colonial war and there were some in the United States who saw it as a means of getting their hands on Iraqi oil, a senior Saudi ambassador was quoted as saying Monday. Prince Turki al-Faisal, ambassador to Britain and Ireland, told the Irish Independent newspaper Washington's stated aims in going to war in Iraq masked a more cynical reality. No matter how exalted the aims of the U.S. in that war, in the final analysis it was a colonial war very similar to the wars conducted by the ex-colonial powers when they went out to conquer the rest of the world ..., Prince Turki said. John Kerry, ever Mr. Cautious (if only I can stay two points to the left of Bush I can win), suggested that oil might have had something do with the invasion, too. Kerry, who's constantly bashing the Saudis, didn't exactly line up with Prince Turki. And he didn't exactly sound like an anti-imperialist, either. But he did suggest that oil was a factor. In a Washington Times piece entitled Kerry hints at link between oil, Iraq war, the Times reports: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040524-103200-9250r.htm Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry yesterday suggested that America's dependence on foreign oil is the major reason the United States went to war with Iraq. A strong America begins at home-with energy independence from the Middle East. Let's ensure that no young American soldier has to fight and die because of our dependence on foreign oil, the Massachusetts senator said. Okay, not exactly courageous, but it's a start. Speaking of courage though, have you seen Sen. Fritz Hollings' statement that Israel, too, was a major reason for the war in Iraq? Hollings, the white-haired courtly southern gentleman, who's finally retiring and getting out of Dodge, wrote an article for the Charleston Post and Courier on May 6 (now posted on Hollings' website), noting that perhaps President Bush was motivated to attack Iraq more by his desire to protect Ariel Sharon's Israel than any other reason. Wrote Hollings : http://hollings.senate.gov/~hollings/opinion/2004506A17.html Of course there were no weapons of mass destruction. Israel's intelligence, Mossad, knows what's going on in Iraq. They are the best. They have to know. Israel's survival depends on knowing. Israel long since would have taken us to the weapons of mass destruction if there were any or if they had been removed. With Iraq no threat, why invade a sovereign country? The answer: President Bush's policy to secure Israel. Led
Re: [biofuel] Oil and Israel -- Don't forget the Neo-Cons and the Evangelical Right
See: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/BIOFUEL/23824/ Best Keith I think the real reason for this war can be traced back to Mr. Bush's Evangelical roots... and his faith based approach to foreign policy. Radical Neo-Conservatives are running this country and doing exactly what they have proposed for years... They believe without failing that by installing a democratic regime in the Middle East, they can convert the Islamic world to be more like the West. This irrational policy totally ignores facts, and cannot hear any dissent (or logic). They Bush Administration is simply doing exactly what the Evangelical and Neo-Con movements have been talking about for years! None of this should be a surprise to anyone. The largest political block in this country supporting the war has been, and continues to be, evangelical Christians (polling at 80% in support of the war). To pass the blame onto Israel is really a copout Sure the current Likud government is in support of the war, but Bush would sell Israel down the river in a second if he thought it would help his political position. I advise everyone to go to PBS and watch a Frontline piece on Bushes ties to the Evangelical Christian right. In his mind we are fighting the Armageddon... clash of civilizations. Israel and the Jews are not running this show... I really believe that Israel is only important to this administration as a pawn in the biblical prophecy they truly believe they are fulfilling. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/jesus/ We are truly in scary times We need to all work for change and bring this country and the world back from the brink. Matt Golden - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 27, 2004 8:49 AM Subject: [biofuel] Oil and Israel http://www.tompaine.com/articles/oil_and_israel.php Oil and Israel Bob Dreyfuss , The Dreyfuss Report May 25, 2004 The two unmentionables about Iraq are suddenly getting mentioned. The real reasons for the attack on Iraq had nothing to do with WMDs, that ultimate red herring. The real reasons: oil and Israel. Let's take oil first. Prince Turki al -Faisal , the Saudi ambassador to the UK and no radical he, charges that the invasion of Iraq might have had something to do with what's under Iraq's sand: http://wireservice.wired.com/wired/forms/printstory.asp?section=Breaki ngstoryId=868913tw=wn_wire_story The U.S.-led invasion of Iraq was a colonial war and there were some in the United States who saw it as a means of getting their hands on Iraqi oil, a senior Saudi ambassador was quoted as saying Monday. Prince Turki al-Faisal, ambassador to Britain and Ireland, told the Irish Independent newspaper Washington's stated aims in going to war in Iraq masked a more cynical reality. No matter how exalted the aims of the U.S. in that war, in the final analysis it was a colonial war very similar to the wars conducted by the ex-colonial powers when they went out to conquer the rest of the world ..., Prince Turki said. John Kerry, ever Mr. Cautious (if only I can stay two points to the left of Bush I can win), suggested that oil might have had something do with the invasion, too. Kerry, who's constantly bashing the Saudis, didn't exactly line up with Prince Turki. And he didn't exactly sound like an anti-imperialist, either. But he did suggest that oil was a factor. In a Washington Times piece entitled Kerry hints at link between oil, Iraq war, the Times reports: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040524-103200-9250r.htm Democratic presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry yesterday suggested that America's dependence on foreign oil is the major reason the United States went to war with Iraq. A strong America begins at home-with energy independence from the Middle East. Let's ensure that no young American soldier has to fight and die because of our dependence on foreign oil, the Massachusetts senator said. Okay, not exactly courageous, but it's a start. Speaking of courage though, have you seen Sen. Fritz Hollings' statement that Israel, too, was a major reason for the war in Iraq? Hollings, the white-haired courtly southern gentleman, who's finally retiring and getting out of Dodge, wrote an article for the Charleston Post and Courier on May 6 (now posted on Hollings' website), noting that perhaps President Bush was motivated to attack Iraq more by his desire to protect Ariel Sharon's Israel than any other reason. Wrote Hollings : http://hollings.senate.gov/~hollings/opinion/2004506A17.html Of course there were no weapons of mass destruction. Israel's intelligence, Mossad, knows what's going on in Iraq. They are the best. They have to know. Israel's survival depends on knowing. Israel long since would have taken us to the weapons of mass destruction if there were any or if they had been
