[OSM-talk] RFC: Driveway
Please read and comment on the "driveway" proposal, at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/index.php/Proposed_features/Driveway Thanks -Alex Mauer "hawke" signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] "Opentrail" - What development environments would be best for mobile compatibility?
Hi, > Well, if your definition of better includes open, then no. Sometimes when talking about OSM I say provocatively that we're so ruthlessly pragmatic that we would even switch to Oracle if someone gave us the stuff for free and it worked better than what we currently have. Nick's comment is in sync with that and it has a certain appeal; focusing too much on "open" sometimes makes you a grumpy ideologist. On the other hand, being one of the old(er) school hackers myself, I am often irritated at the warm embrace that Apple get from large parts of what I used to consider a critical geek community. At the 24c3 in December, an awful lot of hackers were seen with Mac notebooks, and not even with Linux on them - they seem to have no issue with every second application offering you to "shop" directly from the file menu, plus generously "phoning home" about all sorts of things you do. But then this is the generation that blogs and twitters and plazes... maybe, and I don't mean this in a rhetorical sense, maybe my generation has simply overrated privacy. But I digress. > > But what's the actual penetration of devices with GPS onboard? > > No idea, but I would certainly be interested in some numbers. IIRC > there was some press blurb in dec 2007 about 1 million N95's sold? Yes, here: http://www.3g.co.uk/PR/Dec2007/5492.htm "Europe UK : This week Nokia announced that the N95 handset, noted for its next-generation services including GPS, has sold a million units. This amounts to a significant success for a Smartphone in the UK market." Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail [EMAIL PROTECTED] ## N49°00.09' E008°23.33' ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering update
On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 22:35 +, Robert (Jamie) Munro wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Jon Burgess wrote: > | Once this first pass of the rendering is complete the mod_tile setup > | will have all the existing tiles fully rendered with the current planet > | dump and current map style. At that point I will switch over the URLs on > | the server to make the new tiles live. > | > | The new system has already rendered 5M tiles in just under 24 hours. > | This covers all of zooms 0 - 12 and about halfway through zoom 13. At > | the current rate all the old 30M tiles will be rendered by about > | Wednesday next week. > > Now that you've done the slowest-to-render low zoom tiles, Why not just > bin the old DB and backlog and let the rest of the tiles render on demand? I might do this once all the z16 or z17 tiles are done but with only z0-12 I fear I'll get lots of complaints about stuff suddenly disappearing from the map. The zoom levels 15 - 17 are by far the most numerous according to the histogram of tiles per zoom. ZoomNumber of tiles in database 0 1 1 4 2 16 3 64 4 256 5 1024 6 4096 7 16384 8 65539 9 262163 10 1039716 11 1507579 12 1010639 13 1495247 14 2333230 15 5110638 16 5017451 17 8192471 18 3793287 Total = 29849805 Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering update
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jon Burgess wrote: | Once this first pass of the rendering is complete the mod_tile setup | will have all the existing tiles fully rendered with the current planet | dump and current map style. At that point I will switch over the URLs on | the server to make the new tiles live. | | The new system has already rendered 5M tiles in just under 24 hours. | This covers all of zooms 0 - 12 and about halfway through zoom 13. At | the current rate all the old 30M tiles will be rendered by about | Wednesday next week. Now that you've done the slowest-to-render low zoom tiles, Why not just bin the old DB and backlog and let the rest of the tiles render on demand? Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHmmRMz+aYVHdncI0RApeyAJ4izpTGTi2tn8u3X5vPZHfFRsSbVQCdGqC5 WcenOewOb/FpqChyFeULhBk= =/LLL -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] "Opentrail" - What development environments would be best for mobile compatibility?
On Fri, Jan 25, 2008 at 04:29:55PM +, Nick Black wrote: > > Odd advice from a mailing list of an _open_ source/data/whatever project. > Not if you want to make a better map for OSM. Well, if your definition of better includes open, then no. > > a better perspective. At least for that one there are already devices > > out there with built in GPS... But then you loose some of the > But what's the actual penetration of devices with GPS onboard? No idea, but I would certainly be interested in some numbers. IIRC there was some press blurb in dec 2007 about 1 million N95's sold? cu bart ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] OT: suggestions for mapping software
Hi OpenStreetMappers! If you have answers to the question below, I'll be happy to forward them back to the list whence it came! Thanks, Robert Original Message Subject:Mapping Software Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:48:24 -0800 (PST) From: Anita Oser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Everyone, A genealogist friend of mine would like to plot old place names on a shaded relief map of China. He is looking for mapping software (preferably free or relatively inexpensive) that would allow him to do this and that would be relatively easy to use. Any suggestions? Thanks. Anita Anita K. Oser Cullowhee, NC Phone: 828-293-5484 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Nokia N810
David Earl schrieb: > Has anyone got a Nokia N810? (This is a Linux internet tablet with a > built in GPS - http://europe.nokia.com/A4568578 - that someone mentioned > on this list a while back, and is now available). > > If so, how easy is it to get at the raw data and/or a GPX file for the > GPS. Are there other applications than the supplied maps for the GPS? Is > there a "capture track and mark waypoints" application? > > Java? Does JOSM install on it? Can the GPS be hooked direct into JOSM > (eg. via LiveGPS and gpsd - does the gps have a virtual port or > something like that)? > > Any experience of the accuracy of the GPS - would it be no worse than my > Garmin Geko? > > Any experience of voice recording? > Hi! I own the predecessor N800, and I'm pleased with it. Comparing the N800 (~240EUR) to the N810 (~370 EUR): the N800 has no GPS and no hardware keyboard. I'm using the N800 together with a bluetooth connected Wintec WBT201 which is working ok. The software I use is maemo mapper, which displays the OSM slippy map as default and can also track GPS tracks. One nice thing is with maemo mapper you can download OSM map data at home in advance and check OSM map data while your there and answer questions liks: "are these traffic lights already in the maps?" - no need for expensive mobile traffic. I've never tried to install JAVA on it nor doing any voice recording - and obviously I can't say a word about the N810 GPS. But I would be very interested in other peoples experiences here ... Regards, ULFL ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Nokia N810
David Earl wrote: > Has anyone got a Nokia N810? (This is a Linux internet tablet with a > built in GPS - http://europe.nokia.com/A4568578 - that someone mentioned > on this list a while back, and is now available). > > If so, how easy is it to get at the raw data and/or a GPX file for the > GPS. Are there other applications than the supplied maps for the GPS? Is > there a "capture track and mark waypoints" application? > > Java? Does JOSM install on it? Can the GPS be hooked direct into JOSM > (eg. via LiveGPS and gpsd - does the gps have a virtual port or > something like that)? > > Any experience of the accuracy of the GPS - would it be no worse than my > Garmin Geko? > > Any experience of voice recording? > > I'm very tempted. > > David > > > Using the 'Maemo-Mapper' application is the suggested approach versus using the Nokia supplied "Maps" program (I don't have an N810, only an N800 currently but I do know that it works fine with the GPS in the 810). Maemo-mapper can export directly to .gpx (through the 'save track' feature), and as an added bonus defaults to using OSM tiles for the display. No working Java support yet, though there are a few people who've been working towards it slowly from my understanding. And I doubt that JOSM in its current form would be that usable due to both its resource requirements and the size of the display. -Jason Reid ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Nokia N810
Has anyone got a Nokia N810? (This is a Linux internet tablet with a built in GPS - http://europe.nokia.com/A4568578 - that someone mentioned on this list a while back, and is now available). If so, how easy is it to get at the raw data and/or a GPX file for the GPS. Are there other applications than the supplied maps for the GPS? Is there a "capture track and mark waypoints" application? Java? Does JOSM install on it? Can the GPS be hooked direct into JOSM (eg. via LiveGPS and gpsd - does the gps have a virtual port or something like that)? Any experience of the accuracy of the GPS - would it be no worse than my Garmin Geko? Any experience of voice recording? I'm very tempted. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering update
Jon Burgess wrote: > There is a major update to the way tiles are rendered occurring at the > moment, let me explain... Makes perfect sense. Thanks for the update, and your hard work. I look forward to seeing the shiny new map next Wednesday or so :-) Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Welsh Map
Tom Higgy wrote: > Chris Jones wrote: >> Just a quick email to announce a Welsh Language render of the UK. > > Excellent! > > I've started adding Welsh names of places I know. > > There's a lot of 'name:cym' keys. Is it possible to change these all > at once in the DB or shall I continue seeking them out myself? I've just checked this weeks planet, there don't seem to be any name:cym tags left, also any new welsh names added before Wednesday should now be visible on the map! http://sucs.org/~rollercow/cyosm/ -- Chris Jones, SUCS Admin http://sucs.org ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering update
On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 17:49 +, Thomas Wood wrote: > I believe the mapnik tile server has been a little overloaded recently > - queuing of new tiles was disabled for a time. > > Rerender on ifw is for osmarender only (and isn't really required > much, now that changed-tiles is being run to pick up data changes) > > On Jan 25, 2008 5:36 PM, Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Anyone know why Mapnik still hasn't rendered the data I put here: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.6134&lon=-2.6175&zoom=12&layers=B0FT > > over a week ago? Osmarender has it fine. > > > > I've tried using the "rerender" command on informationfreeway. (Is that > > Osmarender only?) I've tried "waiting until next Wednesday" and then > > waiting a bit longer. I've tried going to the individual tile URL and > > appending "/dirty"; "/status" then saying it's awaiting rerender, and > > later it says it no longer is (so presumably it's been done) but yet, no > > change :-( > > > > Sorry if I'm being thick. What am I missing? > > There is a major update to the way tiles are rendered occurring at the moment, let me explain... As Thomas mentions the rendering on the tile server has been overloaded recently. I've been working on developing an improved version of the software rendering framework called mod_tile for a few months and I took the plunge this week to install and run it on tile. The old system used a Mysql database to store the tiles, the new one uses the filesystem. I am currently running the list of 30M tiles from the MySQL database through the new mod_tile rendering engine to build up the new tiles from scratch. Right now all the tiles you are seeing are coming from the MySQL DB. The tiles are still being rendered with the Mapnik renderer so the new map will look the same as the old one. Many major changes have been made to the other parts of the rendering setup to massively improve the overall rendering speed. Once this first pass of the rendering is complete the mod_tile setup will have all the existing tiles fully rendered with the current planet dump and current map style. At that point I will switch over the URLs on the server to make the new tiles live. The new system has already rendered 5M tiles in just under 24 hours. This covers all of zooms 0 - 12 and about halfway through zoom 13. At the current rate all the old 30M tiles will be rendered by about Wednesday next week. Given how well things are progressing with the rendering I don't want to attempt any hybrid schemes to mix the new and old tiles or transfer the old tiles from the database to the filesystem. The new rendering rate is about 5 times faster than the old setup and allow us to be able to keep the tiles more up to date in future. The weekly import of the planet dump data will still be a limitation for the foreseeable future, but you should see updates appearing on the map much sooner after the Wednesday each week. Hopefully you can all live with a few more days delay in the updates before you get a nice new set of tiles with faster updates in future. Jon ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch on talk-de
Hi, > Potlach frustration was the initial start of this thread. We are gone > over this and are much further now! We just have forgotten to chnage the > subject. Now it's more on "...should we develop a standard first, then > go out and and go for a tag.." or. "...just go out , tag and later > we will agree on some standard." So please do not disturb this discurs. Stephan forgot to mention the liberal sprinkling of "if that's how you want to do it then it is completely useless and I will play elsewhere". Someone recently wrote that OSM is useless because it has no coverage for South Dumbfuck. One should maybe add to this that OSM is also useless because there's no guarantee to get ideal routing unless you force strict tagging rules down the throat of every new mapper. And we won't do with anything less than ideal - it is a mathematical problem with a precise mathematical solution. (Not my opinion in case it needs to be said - I'm just translating.) OMG if Fake SteveC finds about this then he'll start talking of Teutotards. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Potlatch on talk-de
Hi, Potlach frustration was the initial start of this thread. We are gone over this and are much further now! We just have forgotten to chnage the subject. Now it's more on "...should we develop a standard first, then go out and and go for a tag.." or. "...just go out , tag and later we will agree on some standard." So please do not disturb this discurs. regards, Stephan. > Wow they really like potlatch over in talk-de. English 'translation': > > http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Flists.openstreetmap.org%2Fpipermail%2Ftalk-de%2F2008-January%2F006758.html&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 > > from thread beginning here (and it's a big thread): > > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-de/2008-January/006758.html > > Reminds me of the good old days of flame wars on this list. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering update
I believe the mapnik tile server has been a little overloaded recently - queuing of new tiles was disabled for a time. Rerender on ifw is for osmarender only (and isn't really required much, now that changed-tiles is being run to pick up data changes) On Jan 25, 2008 5:36 PM, Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Anyone know why Mapnik still hasn't rendered the data I put here: > http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.6134&lon=-2.6175&zoom=12&layers=B0FT > over a week ago? Osmarender has it fine. > > I've tried using the "rerender" command on informationfreeway. (Is that > Osmarender only?) I've tried "waiting until next Wednesday" and then > waiting a bit longer. I've tried going to the individual tile URL and > appending "/dirty"; "/status" then saying it's awaiting rerender, and > later it says it no longer is (so presumably it's been done) but yet, no > change :-( > > Sorry if I'm being thick. What am I missing? > > Gerv > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > -- Regards, Thomas Wood (Edgemaster) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Mapnik rendering update
Anyone know why Mapnik still hasn't rendered the data I put here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=54.6134&lon=-2.6175&zoom=12&layers=B0FT over a week ago? Osmarender has it fine. I've tried using the "rerender" command on informationfreeway. (Is that Osmarender only?) I've tried "waiting until next Wednesday" and then waiting a bit longer. I've tried going to the individual tile URL and appending "/dirty"; "/status" then saying it's awaiting rerender, and later it says it no longer is (so presumably it's been done) but yet, no change :-( Sorry if I'm being thick. What am I missing? Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Slippymap Hosting Recommendations
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Frederik Ramm wrote: | mount -o loop ./my-large-file my-new-dir (needs root privs) ~ I think this part is likely to be a problem with most budget hosting services :-) Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHmhtkz+aYVHdncI0RAtRCAKCnI0i75L6OCnSZAdSzn7qBIqTa3QCg/emQ GYH85gsJ7VdUb9777DqFDRM= =WxnE -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Potlatch on talk-de
Wow they really like potlatch over in talk-de. English 'translation': http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Flists.openstreetmap.org%2Fpipermail%2Ftalk-de%2F2008-January%2F006758.html&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 from thread beginning here (and it's a big thread): http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-de/2008-January/006758.html Reminds me of the good old days of flame wars on this list. have fun, SteveC | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.asklater.com/steve/ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Units convention (Was: Mapping canals)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Martin Trautmann wrote: |> There is really no point using a thousands separator in figures which are |> supposed to be machine-readable. And there is every point not doing so. | The storage format should be machine-readable. That's why ft and mph | would be converted to metric numbers. I've just realised that I haven't made my position clear - I think that if it is something we have measured, it should be in metric units. If it is a rule we have recorded, like a legal limit, then it should be kept in the units as supplied, because 50km/h is not the same as 30mph. In the case of canal heights and widths, I'm not sure what are rules from the canal authorities, and should therefore be kept in the units in which they originate, and what are things that Richard and Co are estimating or measuring with their GPSs and other tools. Robert (Jamie) Munro -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFHmgX1z+aYVHdncI0RAqyvAKCw1YXSim+pnoe/4k9QfHxoIEF9MACeJ+FU kO23WTK4vWNoeZLVvOEV2Ts= =IGCZ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping canals
Abigail Brady wrote: > I've tagged low bridges in Leicester with maxheight=15'0", for example. > That's what the sign on the bridge says, that should be represented in > the database. I definitely think that's wrong. Even if we decide to have units in the database, that does not mean we need to allow all of <15'0">, <15ft 0in>, <15 feet 0 inches> and so on. The info in the database is not and should not be designed to be rendered directly, either on maps or in routing software, and so does not have to correspond to what's written on the sign. If the database says "30mph", that might be rendered as "30", or as a white circle with a red border with a "30" in it, or even as the same with a "50" in it, if the person using the software or map wants km/h. > We need for the UK to keep imperial measurements in the DB. Now, I > abhor imperial measurements and want to see us completely metricated, so > please don't mistake me for some kind of rabid anti-metric person. But > the signs say things in feet and inches and that is a fact. This > discussion should not be about a bunch of non-UK people declaring that > UK people aren't allowed to use the unit system the UK (regrettably) > uses in the database, I'm a UK person, and (at least up to now) I've been declaring that UK people shouldn't be allowed to use the unit system the UK uses. :-) > There are many options. I think defining a very small set of allowed > units and formats thereof, and then sample code in many languages to > convert these to metres/kilograms, might be the solution. That might work. But then, don't you lose some of the flexibility that the "put the units into the DB" crowd are asking for? As has been shown, there's no loss of precision in going all-metric, at least with lengths, because 1 inch is exactly 2.54cm. Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Osmarender requested enhancements
Adrian Frith wrote: > Then shouldn't it be highway= ford=yes - by analogy with > bridge=yes and tunnel=yes? Makes sense to me. Gerv ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] golf courses?
At 01:16 AM 1/25/2008, Alex Mauer wrote: >The map features page lists both leisure=golf_course and sport=golf. >Can we please pick one of these and remove the other? Often synonymous yes; always synonymous no. I find it useful to separately tag the place and use sport=xxx to mean "pertaining to the sport of xxx" with an eye to search engines. So with golf, a search engine can distinguish between golf courses, driving ranges and club houses and possibly speciality golf shops yet still easily bring up everything pertaining to golf within a given area. With the sport of recreational diving, it is useful to know both the local dive spots and dive shops where you can get air tanks, hire boats etc. The two things are very different and cannot be distinguished by sport=scuba_diving alone. Other examples: leisure=pitch sport=soccer versus leisure=stadium sport=soccer amenity=swimming_pool sport=swimming;water_polo versus natural=beach sport=swimming Mike Stockholm ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] golf courses?
Kaj-Michael Lang wrote: >Sent: 25 January 2008 11:11 AM >To: talk@openstreetmap.org >Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] golf courses? > >On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Alex Mauer wrote: > >> The map features page lists both leisure=golf_course and sport=golf. >> Can we please pick one of these and remove the other? > >But isn't "leisure=golf_course" for the whole area and "sport=golf" for >the "club house" or starting point ? > My suggestion would be that both are kept for use on nodes since not all locations where you play golf are a golf course. In addition where a golf course is laid out as an area then tag that as landuse=golfcourse, sport=golf. The addition of leisure=golf would be appropriate too. Cheers Andy >-- >Kaj-Michael Lang > >___ >talk mailing list >talk@openstreetmap.org >http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] golf courses?
On 25/01/2008 11:10, Kaj-Michael Lang wrote: > On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Alex Mauer wrote: > >> The map features page lists both leisure=golf_course and sport=golf. >> Can we please pick one of these and remove the other? > > But isn't "leisure=golf_course" for the whole area and "sport=golf" for > the "club house" or starting point ? That's certainly how I've used it. We might get back into the "should parking areas have a node and an area" discussion again. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] golf courses?
On Thu, 24 Jan 2008, Alex Mauer wrote: > The map features page lists both leisure=golf_course and sport=golf. > Can we please pick one of these and remove the other? But isn't "leisure=golf_course" for the whole area and "sport=golf" for the "club house" or starting point ? -- Kaj-Michael Lang ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] [OSM-dev] Osmarender requested enhancements
On 25/01/2008 02:04, Adrian Frith wrote: > On Fri, 2008-01-25 at 13:16 +1300, Robin Paulson wrote: >> On 25/01/2008, Robert Hart <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> On 17/01/2008, Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [As always, please redirect me if necessary.] Could osmarender please be taught to render "highway=ford"? There are going to be some random gaps in various Cumbrian roads otherwise. >>> highway=ford is a node tag. According to map features. There shouldn't >>> be any gaps. >> maybe it should be a way as well, some rivers are pretty wide > > Then shouldn't it be highway= ford=yes - by analogy with > bridge=yes and tunnel=yes? I think the point of being a node is that the river and highway actually join so the topology is correct. I don't immediately see how you would do that if it were a property of the highway alone, but if you did, I agree that ford=yes would be the right way to do it. I've only come across fords three times while mapping so far. Two were fine for nodes, but one was a peculiar arrangement where the stream (two streams in fact) ran along the carriageway for about 50m. Indeed there was both a road junction and stream junction in the middle of it. I was certainly stumped on how to map this without a longer ford, though in this case sharing nodes all the way along would have been a possibility. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Units convention (Was: Mapping canals)
On Thu, Jan 24, 2008 at 05:18:21PM +0100, Martin Trautmann wrote: > US: 1,000.00 m = 1 km > DE: 1.000,00 m = 1 km > 1 000.00 m = 1 km ... my recommendation That's locale specific. Just put it in the form that's easiest for a computer (ie without seperator) and let renderers/editors render it as desired by the user. cu bart ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Expanding the postcode database
On Jan 22, 2008 10:27 PM, Gervase Markham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ray Booysen wrote: > > I actually have a database lying around somewhere will all > > possibilities. Quite a high number. > > Any chance of digging it out and doing SELECT COUNT(*)? > > Gerv > Sorry Gerv, no luck. Can't seem to find it. > > > > ___ > talk mailing list > talk@openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk > -- Ray Booysen [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/talk
