Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: Speed in traffic jams/slow traffic
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 12:43:46PM +0200, marcus.wolsc...@googlemail.com wrote: I don't like to simply assume 0km/h = infinite delay for a traffic jam and like 3 km/h for "slow moving traffic". How about using a fraction instead of a fixed value? E.g. 1/4 for slow moving and 1/10 (or even 1/100) for a jam. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] name tags on place=country and how they're rendered on lowzoom
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 10:17:46AM +0530, ??? ??? (vikas yadav) wrote: where is a local language being set for a country or a region? It isn't at all. The software doesn't know which language "name" is in, only the mapper does. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] name tags on place=country and how they're rendered on lowzoom
On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 08:14:21PM +, ?var Arnfj?r? Bjarmason wrote: * Most have the common English name in the name= field, e.g. Germany and Andorra At least for Germany, this has already been fixed on 2008-12-04. name=* (without a language code) should be the name in the local language. From the wiki page defining the meaning of name [1]: name=Irgendwas(the default name, used locally) name:en=Something (the name in English) [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:name CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Some more shops and amenities for the map features page ...
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 10:12:33PM +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: [latin names for medical doctors] There's no hope of ever introducing these as tags, as they will be misspelled about 150% of the time. Why not? :-| Just add those as (translated) presets to the editors and be done with it. If you're faster entering tags manually instead of using presets, maybe the preset interface just needs improvement. How about adding a CLI with autocompletion for adding types (= preset entries) to a primitive (node/way/relation). I for one would love it (just don't have time to implement it myself). CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Collecting public transportation time tables
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 03:02:17PM +, Peter Miller wrote: There is not however a problem as far as I know in people collecting their own timetable information from printed material and entering it into a common DV. I haven't collected anything yet since I fear the data might be protected under the new database "copyright" in the EU. Would be interesting to get a lawyers opinion on that. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM not acceptable for geocaching.com
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 12:42:17PM +0100, Till Harbaum / Lists wrote: Geocaching.com recently completely deleted that cache antry as they claim that it forces you to use a certain software (a web browser!!!) and a certain web service. If your geocache is inside a german-speaking country (*), you could use opencaching.de instead - they also have much better license terms / terms of use and even support bulk downloading of search results in a variety of formats. Great for spontaneous geocaching without internet access (just download a list a geocaches in your region from time to time and store it on your laptop/PDA/handheld GPS). In case you want to pay (like geocaching.com Premium membership), you can just donate to them (e.V. => tax deductible). :) (*) You are able to add geocaches in other countries, too, but the interface is in german only. :( CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] barrier=gate
On Sun, Nov 09, 2008 at 11:34:37AM +0100, Tordanik wrote: Personally, I'd agree if my contributions were bot-changed in cases like this, but there are people who wouldn't. Maybe it is possible to set up an opt-in bot that only "updates" tagging of those users who have put themselves on a list (wiki page/category or other solution). Actually I think this is a nice idea. It needs to be fleshed out some more (e.g. I'd like to get an (automatic) notification if things I've edited in the past are changed by this bot), but the basic principle is clear. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no
On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 10:52:57PM +0100, Rainer Dorsch wrote: That depends on the state (Bundesland). So there cannot be a global default, only a local one. I am just curious: which Bundesländer do typically allow motorcars on tracks? Sorry, don't know that off the top of my head, but one was mentioned on talk-de some time ago. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] highway=track and motorcar=yes/no
On Tue, Nov 04, 2008 at 09:04:06PM +0100, Rainer Dorsch wrote: In Germany (Switzerland and Austria as well?) there are probably a very low fraction of tracks on which motorcars are allowed. That depends on the state (Bundesland). So there cannot be a global default, only a local one. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Ideas for student project on OSM
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 02:38:05PM +, James Stewart wrote: Hi, I am a contributor to the map,but also work in the University in Edinburgh. I have been talking to the people who run the MSc in GIS, they have 140 students, and have to propose potential dissertation projects. Most of the students work on the technology side, programming and developing tools. Has any one got any ideas of the sorts of work that could be done/needs to be done for the OSM project that a post grad student could work? Just a few random ideas: - generate "places" tree (i.e. Continent -> Country -> State -> District -> City etc.) - Bonus: house numbering - layering: use several OSM API instances to store (different types of) data (e.g. main API + phone numbers/contact information) - add layering support to JOSM - CLI tool for accumulating information from different API instances - CLI tool for splitting and feeding information into different API instances - relation editing: - add modular / easily extensible "special purpose" relation editors to JOSM - Turn restrictions - Bus routes - Collected ways - ... CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Voting: traffic_enforcement
On Fri, Oct 17, 2008 at 06:40:12PM +0100, Tristan Scott wrote: * Common mobile station on a bridge - on a way which has no relation to the direction of enforcement In that case, a relation (no pun intended) would be better. * On a crossroads/traffic signals (red light camera) where two ways cross, in which case forwards and backwards are meaningless (two or more ways share the node) Seems to be similar to a turn restriction => copy from there. * Off a carriageway on a node covering one or more ways (where direction is important but not given by a way) Yet another argument for using a relation. ;) CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Code of conduct for automated (mass-) edits
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 02:58:48PM +, Hendrik T. Voelker wrote: To get something done, one has to create a Java class that described the bot. No, please, no! I have been programming in many different languages (at least one per family, i.e. iterative, functional, i+OOP, f+OOP) for about 20 years now and am currently writing a Java program for money (so I do know what I'm talking about, even if that sounds a bit arrogant). There's no way I would program an OSM tool in Java. This is my spare time, I don't want to spoil it with writing programs in such a horrible language. If you want to program in Java, that's fine by me. But please don't force everyone else to use the language of _your_ choice. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] mailing list behavior
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 09:23:13AM +0200, vegard wrote: And for the only semi-technical argument that you break something that can't be repaired: I have *never* ever placed a reply-to to something other than my from-adress, and expected it to work, without *also* stating explicitly at the end of the mail. I always do for mailing lists. The subscription address will filter out everything not coming from the list (because I did get way too much SPAM to my subscription addresses). For personal replies, I have a special address that gets rotated every 3 months so the SPAM level is bearable. That's the address in the Reply-To header and there's absolutely no need to add it to every mail body - it's already there in the headers and it's exactly what the header is designed for. So just because _you_ don't use it, it doesn't mean _everybody_ doesn't. OK, I'll shut up now. :) CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] mailing list behavior
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 12:58:48AM +0200, bvh wrote: Well, and it breaks my expectation of what reply means in the context of a public discussion. Should you have different expectations, see the documentation of your mail client (hint : ignore_list_reply_to) This thread is going nowhere, so let's just end it. You don't get my point and I don't agree with your "solution". CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] mailing list behavior
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 08:50:46PM +0100, Christopher Woods wrote: So for lists such as the BBC Backstage Majordomo list (which used to behave in the way this list currently does, but now puts in the appropriate list address when you hit Reply), are you saying that they've in fact bodged the list's setup and it's not strictly correct? It's more than "not strictly correct": It's plain broken. It breaks my "reply-to-author" function. Everytime I want to use it, I have to manually fix the recipients. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] mailing list behavior
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 01:39:33PM -0500, Lance Dyas wrote: The default responder to public conversation venues needs to be to just that ... There's no way OSM could change that default, it's up to your MUA vendor. The buttons you're currently using are "reply" (with an implied "to author") and "reply to all", not "reply (default)" and "reply (alternative)". The only thing OSM can do is to trick your MUA into believing the "reply to author" function should reply to the list instead. And note the last word I used: _instead_. It doesn't work as expected anymore, rendering the expected function unavailable. Please go bothering Microsoft (or Mozilla, or whatever your MUA vendor is) about it, not the list admins. They'd get beaten by "the other side" as soon as they'd change the behaviour, since this breaks how any sane MUA works. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] mailing list behavior
(Resend because of wrong sender address) On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 05:35:17PM +0100, Christopher Woods wrote: BTW - I hope you can even _read_ this mail because it's PGP/MIME signed). Quite legible ;) Outlook copes far better than I think some give it credit for! I added that sentence because some of my customers using some corporate version of Outlook (!= Outlook Express, BTW) could _not_ read my mails. So there's a real-world problem here, not just bashing. And no, that wasn't it the 1990s but during the last few years. :-/ CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] mailing list behavior
On Mon, Sep 01, 2008 at 04:56:22PM +0100, Christopher Woods wrote: It seems a little 'unnatural' to me, To me it's absolutely natural. If I want to reach (only) the author, I use "reply". When I want to reach everyone who wrote or got the mail, I use "reply to all". That's exactly what I would expect given the names of these functions. Using reply-to munging renders the "reply" function unusable. Without manual inspection (i.e. removing the list address from the recipients) I cannot reply only to the author (and yes, I do that often enough for it to be annoying). I've been used to sending mails to a mailing list by addressing it directly and relying on the list to send that out to other users. This would seem to me to be the most appropriate method, regardless of whether it's the 'correct way' - my reasoning for this is because some users will not wish to receive instant updates, rather receiving their messages in a digest format. Actually, it's the fault of your MUA if people do get copies they do not want. The "Mail-Followup-To" header indicates where to send group replies (whereas Reply-To indicates where to send replies intended only for the original author). Outlook and some others are well known for not supporting this header (besides other things, BTW - I hope you can even _read_ this mail because it's PGP/MIME signed). CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Left and Right - a proposal
On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 12:26:49PM +0100, Gervase Markham wrote: What do people think? As I've already expressed in other threads: IMO that's the way to go. CU Sascha -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
