[Talk-gb-westmidlands] Meeting last night
Hi everyone I should have a revised SOTM 2013 bud document out sometime over the weekend, together with a summary of our brainstorming For the blog on mappa mercia the login username is brianboru100@gmail.comand the password is 2009mapper Regards Brian ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] SOTM 2013 list of tasks
Hi everyone As promised - if you want to put your name forward for a task - now's your chance! Regards Brian · Sponsor package programme and promotion (maybe split into global/national/local) · Sponsor Exhibits · Contracts/Insurance · Conference Registration · Accommodation · Marketing/promotion - externally and to OSM community · Conference paraphernalia(badges, banners,signage, delegate pack etc) · Delegate Experience (trips, entertainment) · Website (already allocated -thanks Jonathan) · Call for Papers and Conference Agenda · Co-ordination of presentation material - pre- and post-conference · AV - most of what we need is included with the venue except for live streaming media · Treasurer · Press Officer · Venue support (being on hand during the conference for delegate assistance) ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] SOTM 2013 list of tasks
Hi Brian, I can manage the conference registration and help for marketing / promotion. what do you mean by *delegate experience *? regards 2013/1/4 Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com Hi everyone As promised - if you want to put your name forward for a task - now's your chance! Regards Brian · Sponsor package programme and promotion (maybe split into global/national/local) · Sponsor Exhibits · Contracts/Insurance · Conference Registration · Accommodation · Marketing/promotion - externally and to OSM community · Conference paraphernalia(badges, banners,signage, delegate pack etc) · Delegate Experience (trips, entertainment) · Website (already allocated -thanks Jonathan) · Call for Papers and Conference Agenda · Co-ordination of presentation material - pre- and post-conference · AV - most of what we need is included with the venue except for live streaming media · Treasurer · Press Officer · Venue support (being on hand during the conference for delegate assistance) ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands -- *Florian Lainez* http://twitter.com/overflorian http://www.nouslesgeeks.fr ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
[Talk-gb-westmidlands] MapBox satellite / aerial imagery
Hi All, The guys at MapBox posted a link to their aerial imagery. As expected (and mentioned in their blog post), Europe is still only low resolution images, but you can zoom further in on USA: http://a.tiles.mapbox.com/v3/geoeye.map-0zmhzttc.html#6.00/54.441/-1.611 When Europe gets updated, this will be a useful resource even if the images may be dated (historical OSM?) Rob ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] SOTM 2013 list of tasks
Hi Brian, Happy to get involved where I can. Looking at the list things like Conference paraphernalia, Marketing/promotion, and AV would tend to suit. Can also help to organise coaches/transport for any trips we arrange. On Accommodation, what would be needed? Some items on the list are quite big and could do with a few people looking at them together. I'll try to make any meetings we organise (as part of mappa mercia or as ad hoc meetings). I'm also happy to help out where needed during the event itself. So I guess that covers Registration, Co-ordination of presentation material (including time before and after the weekend), and Venue Support. == Rob On 4 January 2013 12:48, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone As promised - if you want to put your name forward for a task - now's your chance! Regards Brian · Sponsor package programme and promotion (maybe split into global/national/local) · Sponsor Exhibits · Contracts/Insurance · Conference Registration · Accommodation · Marketing/promotion - externally and to OSM community · Conference paraphernalia(badges, banners,signage, delegate pack etc) · Delegate Experience (trips, entertainment) · Website (already allocated -thanks Jonathan) · Call for Papers and Conference Agenda · Co-ordination of presentation material - pre- and post-conference · AV - most of what we need is included with the venue except for live streaming media · Treasurer · Press Officer · Venue support (being on hand during the conference for delegate assistance) ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-GB] Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:47:34 Steven Horner ste...@stevenhorner.com wrote: I have followed the guidelines at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Tagging_Guidelines but should I tag the footpath with the local authority reference which would aid logging the path to the Council if problems like FixMyPaths, if so how? Although I cannot add anything useful to the discussion about prow:ref and prow_ref, I do have some thoughts about the content of the tag. Often the data a council provides about a PROW includes duplication. For example, often the parish is given as a nice friendly name and also as a number. Here's an example of the data given about a PROW that is provided by Devon County Council (both council and PROW chosen at random): SimpleData name=PARISHAbbots Bickington/SimpleData SimpleData name=STATUSFootpath/SimpleData SimpleData name=NUMBER1/SimpleData SimpleData name=NUMBER00/SimpleData SimpleData name=CODE801FP1/SimpleData SimpleData name=NUMBER1Abbots Bickington Footpath 1/SimpleData So the id of the parish appears three times (twice as a name and once as a number); the number of the path appears three times; and the fact that it is a footpath appears three times. For this, I guess you've got a choice betwen using the contents of CODE or NUMBER1. I would recommend choosing whatever appears on the Council's interactive map. Devon County Council uses the contents of the NUMBER1 field, i.e.: Abbots Bickington Footpath 1 On Tue, 1 Jan 2013 16:36:53 Craig Loftus craigloftus+...@googlemail.com wrote: Is it wise to preclude adding more tags to the namespace? As an example, one additional tag that occurs to me is prow:operator (or prow:authority), to describe the local authority the references 'belong' to. On Tue, 1 Jan 2013 22:35:31 Robert Whittaker robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't have thought that listing the authority would be that useful -- you should be able to work that out from the county that the way resides in. My view is that it would be useful to include the id of the council as I do not think it's obvious which authority is involved. For example, the data for Devon does not include Torbay. And Bedfordshire is provided by two councils: Bedford and Central Bedfordshire. Gloucestershire is provided by the councils of Gloucestershire and South Gloucestershire. For my web site (www.rowmaps.com), I've chosen to use the two letter codes that are used by the OS Opendata 1:50 000 Scale Gazetteer: http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/products/50k-gazetteer/index.html The two letter code is in field 12 of their colon-separated file. There are 208 different values. Fields 13 and 14 of that file also provide short names and long names. Here are some examples of fields 12, 13 and 14: BF:Beds:Bedford BK:C Beds:Central Bedfordshire DN:Devon:Devon DU:Durham:Durham GR:Glos:Gloucestershire SG:S Glos:South Gloucestershire TB:Torbay:Torbay Either you bundle the id of the council in with the name of the PROW as in: Devon Abbots Bickington Footpath 1 Or as suggested by Craig you could provide it in a separate tag - he was suggesting prow:operator or prow:authority. All of the data for councils that I've seen specify the parish in which the PROW appears. So, really there are three separate pieces of information: id of council id of parish id of PROW e.g.,: Devon Abbots Bickington Footpath 1 or: DN 801 FP1 -- Barry Cornelius http://www.northeastraces.com/ http://www.thehs2.com/ http://www.rowmaps.com/ http://www.oxonpaths.com/ http://www.barrycornelius.com/___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] PRoW surveying authorities (Was: Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=)
Barry, Local government regions in England can be very confusing. For public rights of way the responsibility of legally collating these on the Definitive Map and Statement lies with those regions that are “surveying authorities”. This is the same as the 152 (151 if you exclude the “City of London”) Local Authorities listed in the Principal Authorities table: *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_in_England*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_government_in_England As shown, “Bedfordshire” is no longer a surveying authority and this is why you get PRoW data from both “Bedford” and “Central Bedfordshire”. If this is understood then we shouldn’t need to tag the local authority as it can be determined from the geography. Similarly Torbay is its own surveying authority and hence it is excluded from Devon’s data. Hope this helps, Rob p.s. the 32 London borough, plus CoL do not have to collate PRoW data. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=
I agree that if there is a choice for prow_ref such as: SimpleData name=CODE801FP1/SimpleData SimpleData name=NUMBER1Abbots Bickington Footpath 1/SimpleData then I would use the same as the councils interactive map. If this isn't possible I would prefer written parish names rather than codes. That is prow_ref=Abbots Bickington Footpath 1 Rob ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=
I did wonder whether someone would ask something like that! On name=, I would avoid this because people do not refer to e.g. Abbots Bickington Footpath 1 in general conversation (although perhaps that’s because we never knew the names until the Local Authorities started to release the data). In regards to prow_name and prow_ref my concern is that each Local Authority uses differing conventions. In the example of Devon they have provided a reference in both parish ID and parish Name format. Not all do this. For those that just release e.g. Acle FP1 then would this be a prow_name or a prow_ref...? Due to this confusion, I suggest sticking with the dominant reference (used on the Local Authoritiy's map) as suggested by Barry, but lets see what the others think. Rob On 4 January 2013 17:04, Ed Loach e...@loach.me.uk wrote: Not that Essex have released their data, so I’ve not had to worry about this, but wouldn’t this be an argument for prow_ref and prow_name? Or even prow_ref and name? ** ** *From:* Rob Nickerson [mailto:rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 04 January 2013 17:01 *To:* talk-gb@openstreetmap.org *Subject:* [Talk-GB] Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref= ** ** I agree that if there is a choice for prow_ref such as: SimpleData name=CODE801FP1/SimpleData SimpleData name=NUMBER1Abbots Bickington Footpath 1/SimpleData ** ** then I would use the same as the councils interactive map. If this isn't possible I would prefer written parish names rather than codes. That is prow_ref=Abbots Bickington Footpath 1 Rob ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=
I've been looking at Durham records online (not available to download) they are recorded like below: Status: BW Parish: Crook Path Number: 37 Path Ref Number: 028037 The long reference number identifies the Parish (first part) and the path number (last part) or I believe that's how it is made up from checking different areas. If sticking with one PROW code then I guess either prow_ref or prow:ref. I used prow_ref. If multiple codes are to be used then to my mind it would make sense to use. prow:ref prow:parish prow:authority On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Barry Cornelius barrycorneliu...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:47:34 Steven Horner ste...@stevenhorner.com wrote: I have followed the guidelines at http://wiki.openstreetmap.**org/wiki/United_Kingdom_** Tagging_Guidelineshttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_Tagging_Guidelines but should I tag the footpath with the local authority reference which would aid logging the path to the Council if problems like FixMyPaths, if so how? Although I cannot add anything useful to the discussion about prow:ref and prow_ref, I do have some thoughts about the content of the tag. Often the data a council provides about a PROW includes duplication. For example, often the parish is given as a nice friendly name and also as a number. Here's an example of the data given about a PROW that is provided by Devon County Council (both council and PROW chosen at random): SimpleData name=PARISHAbbots Bickington/SimpleData SimpleData name=STATUSFootpath/**SimpleData SimpleData name=NUMBER1/SimpleData SimpleData name=NUMBER00/SimpleData SimpleData name=CODE801FP1/**SimpleData SimpleData name=NUMBER1Abbots Bickington Footpath 1/SimpleData So the id of the parish appears three times (twice as a name and once as a number); the number of the path appears three times; and the fact that it is a footpath appears three times. For this, I guess you've got a choice betwen using the contents of CODE or NUMBER1. I would recommend choosing whatever appears on the Council's interactive map. Devon County Council uses the contents of the NUMBER1 field, i.e.: Abbots Bickington Footpath 1 On Tue, 1 Jan 2013 16:36:53 Craig Loftus craigloftus+osm@googlemail.**comcraigloftus%2b...@googlemail.com wrote: Is it wise to preclude adding more tags to the namespace? As an example, one additional tag that occurs to me is prow:operator (or prow:authority), to describe the local authority the references 'belong' to. On Tue, 1 Jan 2013 22:35:31 Robert Whittaker robert.whittaker+osm@gmail.* *com robert.whittaker%2b...@gmail.com wrote: I wouldn't have thought that listing the authority would be that useful -- you should be able to work that out from the county that the way resides in. My view is that it would be useful to include the id of the council as I do not think it's obvious which authority is involved. For example, the data for Devon does not include Torbay. And Bedfordshire is provided by two councils: Bedford and Central Bedfordshire. Gloucestershire is provided by the councils of Gloucestershire and South Gloucestershire. For my web site (www.rowmaps.com), I've chosen to use the two letter codes that are used by the OS Opendata 1:50 000 Scale Gazetteer: http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.**uk/oswebsite/products/50k-** gazetteer/index.htmlhttp://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/products/50k-gazetteer/index.html The two letter code is in field 12 of their colon-separated file. There are 208 different values. Fields 13 and 14 of that file also provide short names and long names. Here are some examples of fields 12, 13 and 14: BF:Beds:Bedford BK:C Beds:Central Bedfordshire DN:Devon:Devon DU:Durham:Durham GR:Glos:Gloucestershire SG:S Glos:South Gloucestershire TB:Torbay:Torbay Either you bundle the id of the council in with the name of the PROW as in: Devon Abbots Bickington Footpath 1 Or as suggested by Craig you could provide it in a separate tag - he was suggesting prow:operator or prow:authority. All of the data for councils that I've seen specify the parish in which the PROW appears. So, really there are three separate pieces of information: id of council id of parish id of PROW e.g.,: Devon Abbots Bickington Footpath 1 or: DN 801 FP1 -- Barry Cornelius http://www.northeastraces.com/ http://www.thehs2.com/ http://www.rowmaps.com/ http://www.oxonpaths.com/ http://www.barrycornelius.com/ ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb -- www.stevenhorner.com http://www.stevenhorner.com @stevenhorner http://twitter.com/stevenhorner 0191 645 2265 stevenhorner ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org
Re: [Talk-GB] Guidance for adding PRoW to OSM: prow_ref=
Barry Cornelius wrote: Robert Whittaker wrote: I wouldn't have thought that listing the authority would be that useful -- you should be able to work that out from the county that the way resides in. My view is that it would be useful to include the id of the council as I do not think it's obvious which authority is involved. For example, the data for Devon does not include Torbay. I agree with Robert. OSM is a geographic database. We should (and do) have boundary polygons for Devon County Council, Torbay Council (unitary authority), and so on. Finding out which authority is responsible for the path is simply a matter of querying the database to find out whether a point/line is within this polygon. Many sites using OSM data already do this sort of query as a matter of course. As a general principle, we optimise for the mapper. Mappers are our most important resource, therefore we make it as easy as possible for them to enter the data, and minimise the 'barriers to entry' - tagging rules they have to learn before they can enter data. One way we can do this is by reducing unnecessary duplication - such as entering tags when in fact the information can be inferred from a boundary polygon. By analogy, we don't tag roads as ref=A361, operator=Devon County Council. In line with the principle of optimising for the mapper, we only tag the exceptions, which in this case are Strategic Roads (ref=A38, operator=Highways Agency). cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Re-Guidance-for-adding-PRoW-to-OSM-prow-ref-tp5742085p5742800.html Sent from the Great Britain mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-GB] Missing/blank tiles
Some tiles on an area that I recently edited seem to be blank? Example: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.45764lon=-4.45504zoom=17layers=M I guess this is because of the hardware failure reported at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Platform_Status ? ael ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
