Re: [talk-ph] MAJOR PROBLEM in San Fernando, Pampanga portion
Yeah, it's messy. I didn't touch because I don't know what's actually on the ground. Only local mappers can edit that intersection On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. r...@develo.ltd.uk wrote: Something that strikes me as odd here is that it seems impossible to go north on MacArthur through this intersection. I am pretty sure I've gone north there myself on several occasions, but it's a while ago aand I'm back in London now so I can't verify. Can someone local verify this? Also, I'm pretty sure you can turn left as well (under the viaduct), right? Ronny. maning sambale wrote: junsamboy and others, I edited the San Fernando area for a lot of obvious errors: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2593646 Mostly these area: - untagged ways - unconnected highways - duplicate nodes - overlapping highways I think it requires several more passes because I may have missed other errors. Don't worry jun and ingguana, these errors are natural for new areas. We can improve on it as we learn the ropes. So I appeal to other osm-ph members, maybe we can help the san fernando contributors improve the data. Please have a brief look and correct the obvious errors. The most common are unconnected intersections. This is very important for routing. A critical road intersection is the olongapo-gapan-macarthur intersection: http://osm.org/go/4zO2B2C9f-- On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:03 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: OK On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Jun Martin jun.mar...@gmail.com wrote: maning sambale wrote: OK, so we can override his edits then. I'll try fix a few in the coming days. Thanks. I would be good if he can cite his source using the source tag. Oh please invite ingguana to the talk-ph list. I've relayed this to ingguana. I hope he responds favorably. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] MAJOR PROBLEM in San Fernando, Pampanga portion
Can ingguana be specific with his misalignment with the maps? What map is mentioned here? On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 7:32 PM, Jun Martin jun.mar...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Maning and others, ingguana wrote back: Jun, Looks like I had a misalignment with the maps I used. I will try to do a restore of the previous file. I am using JOSM for my edits. Yes I am MGDanting. Marc Looks like a restore would be best in this situation. maning sambale wrote: junsamboy and others, I edited the San Fernando area for a lot of obvious errors: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2593646 Mostly these area: - untagged ways - unconnected highways - duplicate nodes - overlapping highways I think it requires several more passes because I may have missed other errors. Don't worry jun and ingguana, these errors are natural for new areas. We can improve on it as we learn the ropes. So I appeal to other osm-ph members, maybe we can help the san fernando contributors improve the data. Please have a brief look and correct the obvious errors. The most common are unconnected intersections. This is very important for routing. A critical road intersection is the olongapo-gapan-macarthur intersection: http://osm.org/go/4zO2B2C9f-- On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 11:03 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: OK On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 10:40 AM, Jun Martin jun.mar...@gmail.com wrote: maning sambale wrote: OK, so we can override his edits then. I'll try fix a few in the coming days. Thanks. I would be good if he can cite his source using the source tag. Oh please invite ingguana to the talk-ph list. I've relayed this to ingguana. I hope he responds favorably. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Time for another mapping party?
Too busy on the dates below? :( Please suggest new dates then. :) On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 8:33 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: October weekends 4 11 18 25 On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 5:20 PM, ian lopez ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com wrote: The roads in Ortigas Center core area are complete. The only thing missing are the details in the service roads of Shangri-la Plaza Mall and Edsa Shangri-la Hotel. What is needed are buildings just like what Neil did with the Makati CBD. That was my point. And we don't have The Podium (as a building way; see http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.58658lon=121.05978zoom=17layers=B000FTF ) The roads in Filinvest Corporate City is pretty up-to-date. The only major area not covered is the Palms Pointe subdivision, which is understandable because it is private (but I haven't tried going in). At least have a road stub for its entrance/s, then access=private on the road/s within that area. Maybe one of us can try taking aerial images through flying RC helicopters with cameras (or with baloons or small blimps) without having to go through gates, barriers and entrances (and denying our access through those areas). ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Time for another mapping party?
So the best is October 17 Will attend seav ianlopez maning neilnacario (san ka? davao or metro manila) Several suggestions for place Metro Manila Somewhere CAMANAVA Ortigas Home Depot and Metro Walk. McKinley Hills in Taguig (near Bonifacio Global City). Mandaluyong around Shaw Blvd. Carlos Celdran tour, two cemeteries within Metro Manila roads under construction We need to identify a mapping area now. Those not selected can the next place for a party. Davao Samal Island Others a clean-up party - for people willing to join the event but can't do actual field mapping GPS inventory for those who can't join, are you willing to lend your mapping rig (gps, laptop, etc)? If date and venue are fixed, let's start announcing and look for sponsors. On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 10:31 PM, ian lopez ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm not available on October 10 (since I have a commitment on that date), 24 and 25 (another commitment). Suggestions for mapping: We could join a Carlos Celdran tour, or map one or two cemeteries within Metro Manila that are known for the sites where some notable people are/were buried. Just to go a bit closer to the edge, some of us could map some roads under construction. Especially those that could help decongest Metro Manila. The pro side of it is that this could enhance our coverage and beat other online and dead tree maps in terms of coverage for the said road. The con side of it is that we might end up trespassing, and possibly put some of our lives at risk. --- On Fri, 9/25/09, Nacario Neil nbnaca...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Nacario Neil nbnaca...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Time for another mapping party? To: OSM-PH talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Friday, September 25, 2009, 9:25 PM I also prefer saturdays. From: Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Cc: OSM-PH talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, September 25, 2009 8:56:20 PM Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Time for another mapping party? I'm good with Oct 10, 17 and 24. I prefer Saturdays. :-) On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 8:33 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: October weekends 4 11 18 25 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] [waypointsdotph] Re: Tropical Storm Ondoy: are you guys ok?
Hi, We're OK. Other's are not so lucky but our family and immediate relatives are safe. The water was so fast you don't have time to panic. Thankfully the whole family was safe. I went around just this morning to look at the extent of the damage. I went to Ed's house (indescribable). Provident village was was the worst. @ Ed, if ever you need help in rebuilding the house. Just tell me. An extra hand would always help. As mapping project for the Philippines, I believe we need to respond to crisis like this one. I don't have anything in mind at the moment, but just the same, we need to do something. To the main OSM talk, here's the reference to the storm: http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/77/ondoys-flood-worst-history-pagasa On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote: I got a text message from Maning (thru his wife's cellphone). Their house also got flooded (didn't say how high) but they are ok now. -Rally On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Jose Marie Bonto jbo...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ed. Thank god you and your family are ok. Let me know how we can help in our own little ways. Still got no word from Maning? Jobo On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 8:34 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Ed, I really don't know what to say, since all your belongings got damaged. But I'm glad to hear you and your family are all safe. Thanks be to God. Eugene On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 7:48 PM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, I am back online (temporarily) as I am using the computer of my evacuation center brother-in-law. Yes. Our house got fully submerged (roof included) in very muddy flood waters. The waters rose to record high compared to the 3 floods of 1979, 1989 and 1999. Yes, I experienced all 4 floods so far ... Remarkably , the major floods come every 10 years and about this time of the year always. This is the worst, damaging everything we had, burying most items in 6 inches of thick mud, the ceiling collapsed from the sediment accumulation. Yes, we moved into our neighbors 2-storey house (roof actually) and slept on the roof the whole night through without getting any rescue as the rescue operations were simply overwhelmed with the magnitude of the flood and the number of flood victims. There were a lot of fatalities, mostly from being trapped in their rooms as the flood rose so fast. We all safely survived the flood. Praise God! We deeply appreciate your concern. ed and kids p.s. my wife was not at home at that time so she was spared from the flood as well. Praise God again. On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Update: I got this news from Eric Punzalan over at the WaypointsDotPH Yahoo! Groups: FYI Our friend Ed Garcia's house has been under water, completely, since yesterday. He managed to escape the waters by taking shelter in a neighbor's house (second floor). I lost contact with him yesterday afternoon after he sent an SOS message. They were all safe as of that time and were preparing to move up to the roof as the waters kept rising. We could not get to their village to help due to flood waters. Rem also mailed there to say that he went to Marikina to do coverage for his newspaper. He tried looking for Ed's house but was unsuccessful. Maning also lives in Marikina. I have no word about him and his family yet. :-( On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Maning, Ed, Rally and others in Marikina, Pasig, Cainta, etc. are you guys ok? -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com -- UBUNTU: An ethical concept of African origin emphasizing community, sharing and generosity. __._,_.___ Messages in this topic (3) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic Messages | Files | Photos | Links | Database | Polls | Members | Calendar Visit the WaypointsDotPH website: http://www.waypoints.ph You can contribute GPS data here: www.waypoints.ph/invite.php You can follow website developments on twitter.com/waypointsdotph MARKETPLACE Mom Power: Discover the community of moms doing more for their families, for the world and for each other Change settings via the Web (Yahoo! ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch format to Traditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe Recent Activity 3 New Members Visit Your Group Y! Messenger PC-to-PC calls Call
Re: [talk-ph] Tropical Storm Ondoy: are you guys ok?
I just had a look at the map. It's a bit slow, anyway we can update and speed things up? Or can we port it to another server? On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Andre Marcelo-Tanner an...@enthropia.com wrote: Ah here we go, managed to import their KML into Umapper, so now we can see the map using OSM http://www.umapper.com/maps/view/id/42152 Its not a network link though, so its a static update. Tried to import a KML Network Link of Flickr photos but not sure if that worked. Andre ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila
Thanks, I'm looking at these maps right now. Are the reported cases/placemarks being closed if the missing person was found? The placemarks it looks overwhelming but some reports were filed 3 days ago, are these people still missing. What I have in mind is a simple portal for post disaster activities, especially for re-building public infrastructure and utilities (bug report: we need garbage collection here, people are getting sick already.) . These things tend to be forgotten when there is no media coverage anymore. Anyway, let us brainstorm more. And hopefully we can setup something within the day. @ Rally, I don't have the technical skills to setup this up as well. Thanks for offering your resources. Maybe we can think of something useful for your gears. On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi maning, The Ondoy situation maps on Google Maps My Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8hl=enmsa=0msid=110868206150348750692.00047479b6400ee29bd89ll=14.645791,121.107874spn=0.107954,0.154324) is the most publicized webmap there is. It shows the locations of people needing immediate rescue and help. I don't think we should duplicate that effort since it would split resources. I guess what we can do is to map out rehabilitation efforts instead of people needing rescue. Also, some bloggers and other people I know are looking to use the Sahana FOSS Disaster Management System to coordinate efforts on various aspects of a disaster. I'm not sure how OSM can fit into the picture yet. (http://sahana.kahelos.org/index.php?mod=homeact=default) Eugene On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:16 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: I just had access to the web a couple of hours ago and is looking around for webmaps and other geographic information. I just wrote an appeal to the osm main list on creating a webmap to support the releif, recovery and rescue however, there seems to be several webmaps available already. Is there anything else we can do? On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:44 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In case people in the international community didn't know, the Philippines (capital and surrounding provinces) were badly hit by tropical cylcone ondoy/kestana the past week [1]. My family was affected as well, but we are OK now. Current efforts are now towards search, rescue and relief. As a mapping community I feel we need to do something and contribute. We need to document whatever information we can compile so that volunteers, relief workers, and government agencies can respond to the needs. The recovery efforts may take a few more weeks and we need to sustain activities to restore vital public utilities to affected areas. Some members of the OSM-PH has started creating webmap based on OSM to document what is currently happening on the ground [2]. I appeal to the whole OSM community to help us in this project. What we currently need are: 1. A temporary server space we can use. 2. Create mashups on related information about the disaster (osm data for Metro Manila and adjacent provinces is good enough as a map background), news feeds, location of evacuation sites, missing persons list. 3. An interface in which users can report what is happening on the ground, (I'm thinking of an openstreetbug interface) i.e. This street in unpassable due to floods. This street needs water. This street has no electricity. Too much garbage on this street please collect now. This way communities can report problems and hopefully close bugs. I lack the technical skills to do this but I am willing to coordinate efforts in some areas and collect field data around my mapping area. Please help us do this project. The hope is the information we gather and synthesize would be helpful. We do not need anything sophisticated at the moment we just need something running ASAP. Thanks in advance. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Ketsana_%282009%29 [2] http://www.umapper.com/maps/view/id/42152 -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea
Re: [talk-ph] need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila
Missing persons: http://ateneotaskforceondoy.misa.org.ph/guidelines This looks good. On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 1:31 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi maning, The Ondoy situation maps on Google Maps My Maps (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8hl=enmsa=0msid=110868206150348750692.00047479b6400ee29bd89ll=14.645791,121.107874spn=0.107954,0.154324) is the most publicized webmap there is. It shows the locations of people needing immediate rescue and help. I don't think we should duplicate that effort since it would split resources. I guess what we can do is to map out rehabilitation efforts instead of people needing rescue. Also, some bloggers and other people I know are looking to use the Sahana FOSS Disaster Management System to coordinate efforts on various aspects of a disaster. I'm not sure how OSM can fit into the picture yet. (http://sahana.kahelos.org/index.php?mod=homeact=default) Eugene On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 12:16 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: I just had access to the web a couple of hours ago and is looking around for webmaps and other geographic information. I just wrote an appeal to the osm main list on creating a webmap to support the releif, recovery and rescue however, there seems to be several webmaps available already. Is there anything else we can do? On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:44 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In case people in the international community didn't know, the Philippines (capital and surrounding provinces) were badly hit by tropical cylcone ondoy/kestana the past week [1]. My family was affected as well, but we are OK now. Current efforts are now towards search, rescue and relief. As a mapping community I feel we need to do something and contribute. We need to document whatever information we can compile so that volunteers, relief workers, and government agencies can respond to the needs. The recovery efforts may take a few more weeks and we need to sustain activities to restore vital public utilities to affected areas. Some members of the OSM-PH has started creating webmap based on OSM to document what is currently happening on the ground [2]. I appeal to the whole OSM community to help us in this project. What we currently need are: 1. A temporary server space we can use. 2. Create mashups on related information about the disaster (osm data for Metro Manila and adjacent provinces is good enough as a map background), news feeds, location of evacuation sites, missing persons list. 3. An interface in which users can report what is happening on the ground, (I'm thinking of an openstreetbug interface) i.e. This street in unpassable due to floods. This street needs water. This street has no electricity. Too much garbage on this street please collect now. This way communities can report problems and hopefully close bugs. I lack the technical skills to do this but I am willing to coordinate efforts in some areas and collect field data around my mapping area. Please help us do this project. The hope is the information we gather and synthesize would be helpful. We do not need anything sophisticated at the moment we just need something running ASAP. Thanks in advance. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Ketsana_%282009%29 [2] http://www.umapper.com/maps/view/id/42152 -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila
Hi to all Mikel Maron is helping us setting-up an openstreetbug interface for the rebuilding efforts. There are several webmaps already in place and we don't want to muddle with these initiatives anymore. We might provide more noise than help. What I have in mind is for us to provide an interface for people to report post-disaster problems. This should provide LGUs, and utility companies additional reference where to start rebuilding efforts. I've made a stub page to coordinate our thoughts here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy Please help in the documentation, once openstreetbug is running we need server admins and data collectors to picth is some time. cheers, maning On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:33 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just got back online. On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: Are you on Skype/IM? Skype: mikelmaron gtalk: mikel.maron 1) We can probably get you a server somewhere .. is it ok if it's in the US? What sort of access do you need? Do you have a domain? Any server would be very useful. We don't have a domain at the moment. Perhaps openstreetmap.org.ph can be used. @ Andre and Ahmed, is this OK? Please help get this going. 2) Mashups .. are you all collecting sources of data? Yes, mashups would be helpful. I just got a mapinfo file of the extent of flooding from Darthmouth Flood Research. I'll see what I can do with this data. I'd suggest starting a catalog on the wiki, a subpage to the Philippines project page, or subpage to the HOT page I'll start working on this one. We'd then look to pull those data sources together somehow .. perhaps through just an OpenLayers instance, or through GeoCommons (andrew turner cc'd) 3) For data collection applications, OpenStreetBugs could be stood up .. but is there widely available net access right now? This is one of the useful things I see we can do. Set-up openstreetbug interface for people to report what they need. Food , electricity, water, garbage collection, etc. After the rescue and retrieval operations, rebuilding would take a long haul. We nned to supply info to public utility operators what areas need immediate action. I can ask other people to provide summary reports of the data gathered from openstreetbug to respective utility companies. People with internet connection can help report these areas. Most of them are in the news but sadly no one is compiling all these info for utilty companies to respond strategically. Would an SMS based application be a better fit for the situation? We'd only need a PH mobile phone set up to FrontlineSMS over there, and we could set up Ushahidi anywhere This is also possible. But don't how difficult to set-up. - Original Message From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:59:04 PM Subject: Fwd: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila mikel, Can the Humanitarian OSM Team, help us? cheers, maning -- Forwarded message -- From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:44 AM Subject: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org, osm-talk t...@openstreetmap.org Hi, In case people in the international community didn't know, the Philippines (capital and surrounding provinces) were badly hit by tropical cylcone ondoy/kestana the past week [1]. My family was affected as well, but we are OK now. Current efforts are now towards search, rescue and relief. As a mapping community I feel we need to do something and contribute. We need to document whatever information we can compile so that volunteers, relief workers, and government agencies can respond to the needs. The recovery efforts may take a few more weeks and we need to sustain activities to restore vital public utilities to affected areas. Some members of the OSM-PH has started creating webmap based on OSM to document what is currently happening on the ground [2]. I appeal to the whole OSM community to help us in this project. What we currently need are: 1. A temporary server space we can use. 2. Create mashups on related information about the disaster (osm data for Metro Manila and adjacent provinces is good enough as a map background), news feeds, location of evacuation sites, missing persons list. 3. An interface in which users can report what is happening on the ground, (I'm thinking of an openstreetbug interface) i.e. This street in unpassable due to floods. This street needs water. This street has no electricity. Too much garbage on this street please collect now. This way communities can report problems and hopefully close bugs. I lack the technical skills to do this but I am willing
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila
@ michael cole Let's wait till mikel maron set-up something for us. In the meantime, please help compiling more data on which areas have been affected. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Michael Cole colemic...@gmail.com wrote: How much space you need on server? Regards Michael Cole. On Thursday 01 October 2009 9:33:56 am maning sambale wrote: Hi, Just got back online. On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: Are you on Skype/IM? Skype: mikelmaron gtalk: mikel.maron 1) We can probably get you a server somewhere .. is it ok if it's in the US? What sort of access do you need? Do you have a domain? Any server would be very useful. We don't have a domain at the moment. Perhaps openstreetmap.org.ph can be used. @ Andre and Ahmed, is this OK? Please help get this going. 2) Mashups .. are you all collecting sources of data? Yes, mashups would be helpful. I just got a mapinfo file of the extent of flooding from Darthmouth Flood Research. I'll see what I can do with this data. I'd suggest starting a catalog on the wiki, a subpage to the Philippines project page, or subpage to the HOT page I'll start working on this one. We'd then look to pull those data sources together somehow .. perhaps through just an OpenLayers instance, or through GeoCommons (andrew turner cc'd) 3) For data collection applications, OpenStreetBugs could be stood up .. but is there widely available net access right now? This is one of the useful things I see we can do. Set-up openstreetbug interface for people to report what they need. Food , electricity, water, garbage collection, etc. After the rescue and retrieval operations, rebuilding would take a long haul. We nned to supply info to public utility operators what areas need immediate action. I can ask other people to provide summary reports of the data gathered from openstreetbug to respective utility companies. People with internet connection can help report these areas. Most of them are in the news but sadly no one is compiling all these info for utilty companies to respond strategically. Would an SMS based application be a better fit for the situation? We'd only need a PH mobile phone set up to FrontlineSMS over there, and we could set up Ushahidi anywhere This is also possible. But don't how difficult to set-up. - Original Message From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:59:04 PM Subject: Fwd: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila mikel, Can the Humanitarian OSM Team, help us? cheers, maning -- Forwarded message -- From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:44 AM Subject: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org, osm-talk t...@openstreetmap.org Hi, In case people in the international community didn't know, the Philippines (capital and surrounding provinces) were badly hit by tropical cylcone ondoy/kestana the past week [1]. My family was affected as well, but we are OK now. Current efforts are now towards search, rescue and relief. As a mapping community I feel we need to do something and contribute. We need to document whatever information we can compile so that volunteers, relief workers, and government agencies can respond to the needs. The recovery efforts may take a few more weeks and we need to sustain activities to restore vital public utilities to affected areas. Some members of the OSM-PH has started creating webmap based on OSM to document what is currently happening on the ground [2]. I appeal to the whole OSM community to help us in this project. What we currently need are: 1. A temporary server space we can use. 2. Create mashups on related information about the disaster (osm data for Metro Manila and adjacent provinces is good enough as a map background), news feeds, location of evacuation sites, missing persons list. 3. An interface in which users can report what is happening on the ground, (I'm thinking of an openstreetbug interface) i.e. This street in unpassable due to floods. This street needs water. This street has no electricity. Too much garbage on this street please collect now. This way communities can report problems and hopefully close bugs. I lack the technical skills to do this but I am willing to coordinate efforts in some areas and collect field data around my mapping area. Please help us do this project. The hope is the information we gather and synthesize would be helpful. We do not need anything sophisticated at the moment we just need something running ASAP. Thanks in advance. [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Ketsana_%282009%29 [2] http
Re: [talk-ph] Holiday declared tomorrow maybe....
We're OK. I live in a neighborhood were neighbors are neighborly. Thanks anyway. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 12:40 PM, Michael Cole colemic...@gmail.com wrote: Ed or manning you need help.. If not ed or manning anyone else on this list need a extra large set of hands to move stuff and help with the clean up.. Maybe I can get a taxi tomorrow to your area and give you a hand... You guys need a hand? Regards Michael Cole. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila
Hi, I have updated the wikipage: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy I tried to compile resources discussed in the mailinglist. Please add more ideas on how we can help. At the moment I think we should start improving data on affected areas: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy#Data_updates cheers, maning On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:39 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: @ michael cole Let's wait till mikel maron set-up something for us. In the meantime, please help compiling more data on which areas have been affected. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Michael Cole colemic...@gmail.com wrote: How much space you need on server? Regards Michael Cole. On Thursday 01 October 2009 9:33:56 am maning sambale wrote: Hi, Just got back online. On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: Are you on Skype/IM? Skype: mikelmaron gtalk: mikel.maron 1) We can probably get you a server somewhere .. is it ok if it's in the US? What sort of access do you need? Do you have a domain? Any server would be very useful. We don't have a domain at the moment. Perhaps openstreetmap.org.ph can be used. @ Andre and Ahmed, is this OK? Please help get this going. 2) Mashups .. are you all collecting sources of data? Yes, mashups would be helpful. I just got a mapinfo file of the extent of flooding from Darthmouth Flood Research. I'll see what I can do with this data. I'd suggest starting a catalog on the wiki, a subpage to the Philippines project page, or subpage to the HOT page I'll start working on this one. We'd then look to pull those data sources together somehow .. perhaps through just an OpenLayers instance, or through GeoCommons (andrew turner cc'd) 3) For data collection applications, OpenStreetBugs could be stood up .. but is there widely available net access right now? This is one of the useful things I see we can do. Set-up openstreetbug interface for people to report what they need. Food , electricity, water, garbage collection, etc. After the rescue and retrieval operations, rebuilding would take a long haul. We nned to supply info to public utility operators what areas need immediate action. I can ask other people to provide summary reports of the data gathered from openstreetbug to respective utility companies. People with internet connection can help report these areas. Most of them are in the news but sadly no one is compiling all these info for utilty companies to respond strategically. Would an SMS based application be a better fit for the situation? We'd only need a PH mobile phone set up to FrontlineSMS over there, and we could set up Ushahidi anywhere This is also possible. But don't how difficult to set-up. - Original Message From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 11:59:04 PM Subject: Fwd: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila mikel, Can the Humanitarian OSM Team, help us? cheers, maning -- Forwarded message -- From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 11:44 AM Subject: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org, osm-talk t...@openstreetmap.org Hi, In case people in the international community didn't know, the Philippines (capital and surrounding provinces) were badly hit by tropical cylcone ondoy/kestana the past week [1]. My family was affected as well, but we are OK now. Current efforts are now towards search, rescue and relief. As a mapping community I feel we need to do something and contribute. We need to document whatever information we can compile so that volunteers, relief workers, and government agencies can respond to the needs. The recovery efforts may take a few more weeks and we need to sustain activities to restore vital public utilities to affected areas. Some members of the OSM-PH has started creating webmap based on OSM to document what is currently happening on the ground [2]. I appeal to the whole OSM community to help us in this project. What we currently need are: 1. A temporary server space we can use. 2. Create mashups on related information about the disaster (osm data for Metro Manila and adjacent provinces is good enough as a map background), news feeds, location of evacuation sites, missing persons list. 3. An interface in which users can report what is happening on the ground, (I'm thinking of an openstreetbug interface) i.e. This street in unpassable due to floods. This street needs water. This street has no electricity. Too much garbage on this street please collect now. This way communities can report problems
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 8:59 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Let's take note that any solution does *not* need to have OSM data involved. We do not need to push the OSM agenda right now since this is an emergency situation. Apologies, if I made such impression (probably I got too attached to the flooding experience which gave me the urged to do something about the situation), but I know OSM and what it can do. If I know about other webmapping possibilities I could have gone that route. What the OSM community can do right now is to continue improving the OSM map data in the most affected areas: Marikina, Pasig, Cainta, and to a lesser degree, eastern Quezon City, Antipolo, San Mateo, Taytay, and the coastal areas of Laguna de Bay. Which some of us is doing, including myself: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/maning/edits OSM data can be just a base (GIS loadable) map to all the user-generated points. Yes, I agree. But please don't douse cold water to other ideas as well. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:59 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just additional updates. I have initiated contacts with other groups on possible collaboration. It seems a lot of work has been done already by http://sites.google.com/site/ondoymanila/home. See our discussion here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy I don't know if there is room for us to get involve right now (my extinct says there is). Red Cross Rizal has its own webmap: http://www.mapcentral.ph/pnrc/rizalchapter/- But they are requesting if we can provide info on road accessibility (roads passable by small vehicles, truck only, speedboat, etc.) All my thoughts are in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy Before we implement something, we need to collectively decide what we as a group can contribute. cheers, maning On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:34 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have updated the wikipage: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy I tried to compile resources discussed in the mailinglist. Please add more ideas on how we can help. At the moment I think we should start improving data on affected areas: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy#Data_updates cheers, maning On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:39 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: @ michael cole Let's wait till mikel maron set-up something for us. In the meantime, please help compiling more data on which areas have been affected. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Michael Cole colemic...@gmail.com wrote: How much space you need on server? Regards Michael Cole. On Thursday 01 October 2009 9:33:56 am maning sambale wrote: Hi, Just got back online. On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: Are you on Skype/IM? Skype: mikelmaron gtalk: mikel.maron 1) We can probably get you a server somewhere .. is it ok if it's in the US? What sort of access do you need? Do you have a domain? Any server would be very useful. We don't have a domain at the moment. Perhaps openstreetmap.org.ph can be used. @ Andre and Ahmed, is this OK? Please help get this going. 2) Mashups .. are you all collecting sources of data? Yes, mashups would be helpful. I just got a mapinfo file of the extent of flooding from Darthmouth Flood Research. I'll see what I can do with this data. I'd suggest starting a catalog on the wiki, a subpage to the Philippines project page, or subpage to the HOT page I'll start working on this one. We'd then look to pull those data sources together somehow .. perhaps through just an OpenLayers instance, or through GeoCommons (andrew turner cc'd) 3) For data collection applications, OpenStreetBugs could be stood up .. but is there widely available net access right now? This is one of the useful things I see we can do. Set-up openstreetbug interface for people to report what they need. Food , electricity, water, garbage collection, etc. After the rescue and retrieval operations, rebuilding would take a long haul. We nned to supply info to public utility operators what areas need immediate action. I can ask other people to provide summary reports of the data gathered from openstreetbug to respective utility companies. People with internet connection can help report these areas. Most of them are in the news but sadly no one is compiling all these info for utilty companies to respond strategically. Would an SMS based application be a better fit for the situation? We'd only need a PH mobile phone set up to FrontlineSMS over there, and we could set up Ushahidi anywhere This is also possible
[talk-ph] Fwd: Fwd: [waypointsdotph] Red Cross Needs your help
Louie called me again to request more data on reliable info on evac sites. Please provide more info and send them directly via text to louie. He lost his phone during a rescue effort. But he still using the same number. message sent to waypointsdotph ... forwarding it to you guys as maybe even if you can not get the coordinates via GPS, if you know of such evacuation centers, maybe you can approximate the coordinates from maps or from our own OSM data. ed -- Forwarded message -- From: lrgalvez2000 lrgal...@pldtdsl.net Date: Tue, Sep 29, 2009 at 8:43 AM Subject: [waypointsdotph] Red Cross Needs your help To: waypointsdo...@yahoogroups.com Hi guys! I'm Louie Galvez and I'm one of the Directors of the Red Cross Rizal Chapter. We are in need of the waypoints of Evacuation centers. If you have one, please text the info to 0917-555 5574. Pls do not email since I won't be able to check my email. Pls text: 1) Your name, 2) Name of Evacuation Site, 3) Coordinates (in h.d format pls), 4) If possible number of families affected 5) and if they already received any assistance in the area. A Mapsource file will just be as good. Thanks Louie Visit the WaypointsDotPH website: http://www.waypoints.ph You can contribute GPS data here: www.waypoints.ph/invite.php You can follow website developments on twitter.com/waypointsdotphYahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/waypointsdotph/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/waypointsdotph/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:waypointsdotph-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:waypointsdotph-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: waypointsdotph-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila
On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: It's totally possible .. that's just an OpenLayers instance, in the index.html of the site. Anyone want to configure openlayers? If no one steps up, I can try to add the KML from ondoymanila later on today. The ondoymanila kml is very large would be best to limit number given a specific zoom level Shapefiles .. can that be converted to something like KML, GeoRSS, or GeoJSON? OK I'll send you the KML of flood maps Please send me some credentials so that I can edit the html at the very least. - Original Message From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com; osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 10:03:36 AM Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila Thanks! Is it possible to add more layers? Maybe we can incorporate the KML generated by: http://sites.google.com/site/ondoymanila/home I also have a shapefile showing polygon provided by unosat. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: As requested, I've set up an OpenStreetBugs instance for collecting reports in the Phillipines If anyone wants to work on the code, contacting me directly, and I can give you credentials to access the site. http://osb.maps.jsintl.org/ I totally agree that we don't have an OSM agenda. If there's places where OSM tech can help, great. Generally we have an awesome community spirit, so we can pitch on whatever project is making moves. That said, happy to try and install other pieces of software if needed. -Mikel From: Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Cc: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 8:59:56 AM Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila Let's take note that any solution does *not* need to have OSM data involved. We do not need to push the OSM agenda right now since this is an emergency situation. What the OSM community can do right now is to continue improving the OSM map data in the most affected areas: Marikina, Pasig, Cainta, and to a lesser degree, eastern Quezon City, Antipolo, San Mateo, Taytay, and the coastal areas of Laguna de Bay. OSM data can be just a base (GIS loadable) map to all the user-generated points. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:59 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just additional updates. I have initiated contacts with other groups on possible collaboration. It seems a lot of work has been done already by http://sites.google.com/site/ondoymanila/home. See our discussion here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy I don't know if there is room for us to get involve right now (my extinct says there is). Red Cross Rizal has its own webmap: http://www.mapcentral.ph/pnrc/rizalchapter/- But they are requesting if we can provide info on road accessibility (roads passable by small vehicles, truck only, speedboat, etc.) All my thoughts are in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy Before we implement something, we need to collectively decide what we as a group can contribute. cheers, maning On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:34 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have updated the wikipage: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy I tried to compile resources discussed in the mailinglist. Please add more ideas on how we can help. At the moment I think we should start improving data on affected areas: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy#Data_updates cheers, maning On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:39 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: @ michael cole Let's wait till mikel maron set-up something for us. In the meantime, please help compiling more data on which areas have been affected. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Michael Cole colemic...@gmail.com wrote: How much space you need on server? Regards Michael Cole. On Thursday 01 October 2009 9:33:56 am maning sambale wrote: Hi, Just got back online. On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: Are you on Skype/IM? Skype: mikelmaron gtalk: mikel.maron 1) We can probably get you a server somewhere .. is it ok if it's in the US? What sort of access do you need? Do you have a domain? Any server would be very useful. We don't have a domain at the moment. Perhaps openstreetmap.org.ph can be used. @ Andre and Ahmed, is this OK? Please help get this going. 2) Mashups .. are you all collecting sources of data? Yes, mashups would be helpful
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila
Everyone please try and test. So far: bug reporting looks OK gpx export ok rss ok Would be good if: - initial zoom is metro manila - incorporate other kmls lying around - improve text in the front page (what info bugs should be added, how they can get the data, etc) - print function (I tried printing the page, no map appears.) - a separate page for rss links to a specific municipality's approximate bounding box Big thanks to Mikel. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 9:56 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: As requested, I've set up an OpenStreetBugs instance for collecting reports in the Phillipines If anyone wants to work on the code, contacting me directly, and I can give you credentials to access the site. http://osb.maps.jsintl.org/ I totally agree that we don't have an OSM agenda. If there's places where OSM tech can help, great. Generally we have an awesome community spirit, so we can pitch on whatever project is making moves. That said, happy to try and install other pieces of software if needed. -Mikel From: Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Cc: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 8:59:56 AM Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila Let's take note that any solution does *not* need to have OSM data involved. We do not need to push the OSM agenda right now since this is an emergency situation. What the OSM community can do right now is to continue improving the OSM map data in the most affected areas: Marikina, Pasig, Cainta, and to a lesser degree, eastern Quezon City, Antipolo, San Mateo, Taytay, and the coastal areas of Laguna de Bay. OSM data can be just a base (GIS loadable) map to all the user-generated points. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:59 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just additional updates. I have initiated contacts with other groups on possible collaboration. It seems a lot of work has been done already by http://sites.google.com/site/ondoymanila/home. See our discussion here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy I don't know if there is room for us to get involve right now (my extinct says there is). Red Cross Rizal has its own webmap: http://www.mapcentral.ph/pnrc/rizalchapter/- But they are requesting if we can provide info on road accessibility (roads passable by small vehicles, truck only, speedboat, etc.) All my thoughts are in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy Before we implement something, we need to collectively decide what we as a group can contribute. cheers, maning On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:34 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have updated the wikipage: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy I tried to compile resources discussed in the mailinglist. Please add more ideas on how we can help. At the moment I think we should start improving data on affected areas: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy#Data_updates cheers, maning On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:39 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: @ michael cole Let's wait till mikel maron set-up something for us. In the meantime, please help compiling more data on which areas have been affected. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Michael Cole colemic...@gmail.com wrote: How much space you need on server? Regards Michael Cole. On Thursday 01 October 2009 9:33:56 am maning sambale wrote: Hi, Just got back online. On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: Are you on Skype/IM? Skype: mikelmaron gtalk: mikel.maron 1) We can probably get you a server somewhere .. is it ok if it's in the US? What sort of access do you need? Do you have a domain? Any server would be very useful. We don't have a domain at the moment. Perhaps openstreetmap.org.ph can be used. @ Andre and Ahmed, is this OK? Please help get this going. 2) Mashups .. are you all collecting sources of data? Yes, mashups would be helpful. I just got a mapinfo file of the extent of flooding from Darthmouth Flood Research. I'll see what I can do with this data. I'd suggest starting a catalog on the wiki, a subpage to the Philippines project page, or subpage to the HOT page I'll start working on this one. We'd then look to pull those data sources together somehow .. perhaps through just an OpenLayers instance, or through GeoCommons (andrew turner cc'd) 3) For data collection applications, OpenStreetBugs could be stood up .. but is there widely available net access right now? This is one of the useful things
[talk-ph] pepeng is even stronger
Just to remind you guys of the expected SuperTyphoon Pepeng. Hope all will be well after this. http://www.pagasa.dost.gov.ph/wb/wbfcst.html -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila
There's also many other platforms to look at as well .. Ushahidi/SwiftRiver is in this vein. Swiftriver looks interesting when we want to filter information useful for tactical and strategic planning. Another wishlist would be to integrate Google's MapMaker road tiles. The flood has now receded in Marikina, but still present in many areas along Laguna Lake. Google mapmaker's road is good in many of these areas. Might be good to add a google road layer as another option. Mikel From: Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gdmail.com Cc: Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com; osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Sent: Sunday, October 4, 2009 4:09:33 AM Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila Hi Mikel and Maning, Who has access to customizing the interface? A possible wish item is to have a traditional form for people to enter an issue in case they don't know how to pinpoint the location on a map. But I think this *might* require a separate database table so an alternative to that is to let people place an approximate location and then have others (or admin-level people) move the location to the correct spot. Eugene On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 10:57 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Again big thanks to Mikel. Here's for beta review our OSM-PH Post-Disaster Response Reporting: http://osb.maps.jsintl.org/ This webmap reporting scheme hopes to gather info on the post-disaster rebuilding efforts. Features: - Any visitor can add a geocoded report on what needs to be done within the area (garbage collection, drainage clearing, etc.) - Other users can comment on the posted problem - Other users can mark the problem as fixed or re-open the report - Download the points as GPX format which can be integrated to a GIS system or a GPS for navigation - Monitor reported bugs in given boundingbox via rss feeds i.e. reports in Marikina http://osb.maps.jsintl.org/osb-cgi/getRSSfeed?b=14.60541t=14.65955l=121.06386r=121.15141 Other tasks: - monitor and update reports - create pages compiling reports according to type and admin jurisdiction - coordinate dissemination of reports to concerned agencies who can help fix the problem. If the group feels that yet-another-webmap is useful for assisting the recovery efforts of this disaster, please disseminate this info. I already communicated this webmap facility to the typhoonondoy people, I hope they find it useful as well. cheers, maning On 10/1/09, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: As requested, I've set up an OpenStreetBugs instance for collecting reports in the Phillipines If anyone wants to work on the code, contacting me directly, and I can give you credentials to access the site. http://osb.maps.jsintl.org/ I totally agree that we don't have an OSM agenda. If there's places where OSM tech can help, great. Generally we have an awesome community spirit, so we can pitch on whatever project is making moves. That said, happy to try and install other pieces of software if needed. -Mikel From: Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Cc: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thursday, October 1, 2009 8:59:56 AM Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: need help on mapping for ondoy/Kestana flood victims in Metro Manila Let's take note that any solution does *not* need to have OSM data involved. We do not need to push the OSM agenda right now since this is an emergency situation. What the OSM community can do right now is to continue improving the OSM map data in the most affected areas: Marikina, Pasig, Cainta, and to a lesser degree, eastern Quezon City, Antipolo, San Mateo, Taytay, and the coastal areas of Laguna de Bay. OSM data can be just a base (GIS loadable) map to all the user-generated points. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 6:59 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just additional updates. I have initiated contacts with other groups on possible collaboration. It seems a lot of work has been done already by http://sites.google.com/site/ondoymanila/home. See our discussion here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy I don't know if there is room for us to get involve right now (my extinct says there is). Red Cross Rizal has its own webmap: http://www.mapcentral.ph/pnrc/rizalchapter/- But they are requesting if we can provide info on road accessibility (roads passable by small vehicles, truck only, speedboat, etc.) All my thoughts are in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy Before we implement something, we need to collectively decide what we as a group can
Re: [talk-ph] MapAction using osm-ph data
Yep, geodata earns money by selling esri products, and data (imagery and vectors) I'm sure they are aware of our project. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 6:52 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Mikel, I actually wanted the boundary data so that it can be imported into OSM. But since GeoData provided that data to MapAction for humanitarian purposes (as stated in the map info details) I doubt that the data can be imported into OSM. Thanks, Eugene On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 9:53 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: I can make any specific data requests to MapAction. Let me know specifically what I should ask them for. -Mikel From: Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Cc: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thu, October 8, 2009 9:46:24 AM Subject: Re: [talk-ph] MapAction using osm-ph data Nice! I'd also love to get my hands on their boundary data. Based on the map info data, they got their data from GeoData.com.ph. But I also note that their Makati-Taguig boundary is outdated. :-p On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 7:22 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: MapAction an NGO providing mapping assistance for disaster emergencies is using osm data in the recent deployment to assist NDCC for mapping ondoy affected areas. Full catalogue: http://www.mapaction.org/map-catalogue/maps.html?deployment_filter=187 An example using OSm road data: http://www.mapaction.org/map-catalogue/mapdetail/1750.html Nice to know that what we do is put to good use. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] advice on updating some data in Marikina
I've been cycling around for post-disaster updates of Marikina roads, question: I saw some roads and cycleways that are either washed out or that needs repair. I can add add new tags and access restrictions, but I feel this will be repaired in the next few months anyway. Any advice? -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] new updates up north re: disaster situation
http://osb.maps.jsintl.org/?lon=120.55626lat=16.20723zoom=10layers=BT -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] new updates up north re: disaster situation
we also need to update data in these areas: http://osm.org/go/4zeKDz No high-res imagery is available but we can do something with landsat wms and local knowledge (if you are familiar in the area). On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:14 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: we may need volunteers to compile the data for responders to use. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:11 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: http://osb.maps.jsintl.org/?lon=120.55626lat=16.20723zoom=10layers=BT -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] new updates up north re: disaster situation
Hi to all, I was given permission by an organization to trace road data from 1:50,000 topomaps in Northern Luzon. The condition was not to release the raster data to anyone other than me. I will trace as much as I can tonight, however since the data is old more edits maybe required after I made the trace. I will post another announcement hear so that others can help improve the data. the tags i will add are the following highway=road source: 1:50K out of copyright topographic maps I will have another meeting tomorrow to arrange for donating additional data (hopefully high-res imagery) from another data provider. Please keep posted. I hope this can help in assisting communities affcted by Typhoon Pepeng in the North. cheers, maning On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:49 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: we also need to update data in these areas: http://osm.org/go/4zeKDz No high-res imagery is available but we can do something with landsat wms and local knowledge (if you are familiar in the area). On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:14 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: we may need volunteers to compile the data for responders to use. On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:11 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: http://osb.maps.jsintl.org/?lon=120.55626lat=16.20723zoom=10layers=BT -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] new updates up north re: disaster situation
@mikel, we are coordinating the integration other kml reports in the
as additional layers.
Is adding this code enough in the map.js enough?
map.addLayer(new OpenLayers.Layer.GML(KML,name of kml.kml,
{
format: OpenLayers.Format.KML,
projection: map.displayProjection,
formatOptions: {
extractStyles: true,
extractAttributes: true
}
}));
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 5:34 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi to all,
I was given permission by an organization to trace road data from
1:50,000 topomaps in Northern Luzon. The condition was not to release
the raster data to anyone other than me.
I will trace as much as I can tonight, however since the data is old
more edits maybe required after I made the trace. I will post another
announcement hear so that others can help improve the data.
the tags i will add are the following
highway=road
source: 1:50K out of copyright topographic maps
I will have another meeting tomorrow to arrange for donating
additional data (hopefully high-res imagery) from another data
provider.
Please keep posted.
I hope this can help in assisting communities affcted by Typhoon
Pepeng in the North.
cheers,
maning
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:49 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
we also need to update data in these areas:
http://osm.org/go/4zeKDz
No high-res imagery is available but we can do something with landsat
wms and local knowledge (if you are familiar in the area).
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:14 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
we may need volunteers to compile the data for responders to use.
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:11 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
http://osb.maps.jsintl.org/?lon=120.55626lat=16.20723zoom=10layers=BT
--
cheers,
maning
--
Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden
wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/
blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
--
--
cheers,
maning
--
Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden
wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/
blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
--
--
cheers,
maning
--
Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden
wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/
blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
--
--
cheers,
maning
--
Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden
wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/
blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
--
--
cheers,
maning
--
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blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
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Re: [talk-ph] new updates up north re: disaster situation
OK, we are getting permission from various map maintainers. I am just
hesitant to break it right now when reports are streaming from various
volunteers, several people have tweeted the the webmap and we expect
more reports to come in. The initial plan of this webmap is on
postdisaster but it seems we are getting reports on the existing
situation already.
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote:
Maning, go ahead and try it .. looks ok but can only know by trying
- Original Message
From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 7:19:35 AM
Subject: Re: [talk-ph] new updates up north re: disaster situation
@mikel, we are coordinating the integration other kml reports in the
as additional layers.
Is adding this code enough in the map.js enough?
map.addLayer(new OpenLayers.Layer.GML(KML,name of kml.kml,
{
format: OpenLayers.Format.KML,
projection: map.displayProjection,
formatOptions: {
extractStyles: true,
extractAttributes: true
}
}));
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 5:34 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi to all,
I was given permission by an organization to trace road data from
1:50,000 topomaps in Northern Luzon. The condition was not to release
the raster data to anyone other than me.
I will trace as much as I can tonight, however since the data is old
more edits maybe required after I made the trace. I will post another
announcement hear so that others can help improve the data.
the tags i will add are the following
highway=road
source: 1:50K out of copyright topographic maps
I will have another meeting tomorrow to arrange for donating
additional data (hopefully high-res imagery) from another data
provider.
Please keep posted.
I hope this can help in assisting communities affcted by Typhoon
Pepeng in the North.
cheers,
maning
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:49 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
we also need to update data in these areas:
http://osm.org/go/4zeKDz
No high-res imagery is available but we can do something with landsat
wms and local knowledge (if you are familiar in the area).
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:14 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
we may need volunteers to compile the data for responders to use.
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:11 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
http://osb.maps.jsintl.org/?lon=120.55626lat=16.20723zoom=10layers=BT
--
cheers,
maning
--
Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden
wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/
blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
--
--
cheers,
maning
--
Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden
wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/
blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
--
--
cheers,
maning
--
Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden
wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/
blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
--
--
cheers,
maning
--
Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden
wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/
blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
--
--
cheers,
maning
--
Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden
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blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
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Re: [talk-ph] new updates up north re: disaster situation
Hi,
Mikel is hacking around adding more layers into the disaster reporting map:
http://osb.maps.jsintl.org/test.html
Eugene and I documented some webmaps we can add here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy#other_webmaps
Please suggest other data we can add as overlays.
@ Mikel, I talked to rick of cpu and he says it's OK to add their feeds.
We also need people to make some simple icons so that each data feed
has unique icon. Probably 32x32px or 16x16px png icon would be
enough.
@ rick, I hope we can pursue more discussion with your group for a
better disaster mapping tools in the future.
cheers,
maning
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 11:03 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote:
Maning, I made a copy of index.html and map.js,
to test.html and map.test.js
http://osb.maps.jsintl.org/test.html
You can edit test.html and map.test.js, and it won't affect the live site at
all.
Once that looks ok, we can move anything over to map.js, or set up another
page.
- Original Message
From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
To: Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com
Cc: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 9:37:21 AM
Subject: Re: [talk-ph] new updates up north re: disaster situation
OK, we are getting permission from various map maintainers. I am just
hesitant to break it right now when reports are streaming from various
volunteers, several people have tweeted the the webmap and we expect
more reports to come in. The initial plan of this webmap is on
postdisaster but it seems we are getting reports on the existing
situation already.
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote:
Maning, go ahead and try it .. looks ok but can only know by trying
- Original Message
From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com
To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org
Sent: Fri, October 9, 2009 7:19:35 AM
Subject: Re: [talk-ph] new updates up north re: disaster situation
@mikel, we are coordinating the integration other kml reports in the
as additional layers.
Is adding this code enough in the map.js enough?
map.addLayer(new OpenLayers.Layer.GML(KML,name of kml.kml,
{
format: OpenLayers.Format.KML,
projection: map.displayProjection,
formatOptions: {
extractStyles: true,
extractAttributes: true
}
}));
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 5:34 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi to all,
I was given permission by an organization to trace road data from
1:50,000 topomaps in Northern Luzon. The condition was not to release
the raster data to anyone other than me.
I will trace as much as I can tonight, however since the data is old
more edits maybe required after I made the trace. I will post another
announcement hear so that others can help improve the data.
the tags i will add are the following
highway=road
source: 1:50K out of copyright topographic maps
I will have another meeting tomorrow to arrange for donating
additional data (hopefully high-res imagery) from another data
provider.
Please keep posted.
I hope this can help in assisting communities affcted by Typhoon
Pepeng in the North.
cheers,
maning
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 4:49 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
we also need to update data in these areas:
http://osm.org/go/4zeKDz
No high-res imagery is available but we can do something with landsat
wms and local knowledge (if you are familiar in the area).
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:14 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
we may need volunteers to compile the data for responders to use.
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 1:11 PM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote:
http://osb.maps.jsintl.org/?lon=120.55626lat=16.20723zoom=10layers=BT
--
cheers,
maning
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cheers,
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blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/
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[talk-ph] help improve added data in San Fernando, La Union
Hi, I added street data over San Fernando, La Union from donated topomaps for tracing http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/2812494 Please help in: connecting the roads to existing OSM data correct highway class and names More will come later. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Ground Truth
Hi, Yes this is a nifty tool. I am experimenting on this one for a couple of weeks now generating contours (10 meter interval) for garmin devices. So far I was able to generate the whole Philippines from SRTM. Anyone who wants one I can give it. The problem is, it is a .NET based apps (with dependencies on cgpsmapper). I had mixed results before with using mono so I had to use a virtualbox for groundtruth to work easily. Moreover, free cgpsmapper doesn't support road routing so I had to use mkgmap for roads while groundtruth for contour generation which is OK since you had to generate garmin contours only one. Make sure you have a lot of RAM and disk space allotted for your vbox to produce the whole Philippine contour. On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: Hi All. Been a bit quiet recently as I went off to UK and France for a couple of weeks. Just got back in the middle of the typhoon, and have been catching up with work since then. Anyway today I had a bit of spare time, and found myself browsing the OSM site. I found some software called GroundTruth which looked interesting, so I thought I'd share it. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/GroundTruth It will apparently make Garmin maps of a given area. It will also make maps in image format as well, like the OSM export function. However, what I found interesting, is that you can play with the way it renders the data, by using a Map Rules file. The examples given on the wiki are for eg driving maps, cycling maps, hiking maps, and you can choose whether or not to include contour data etc. But you can also write your own map rules files, so you can customise how the data displays to your own taste. There are a few user examples of this as well. It seemed like worth mentioning, as a couple of questions on the list this year have been related to this custom rendering function. I don't have a use for it right now, but I'm thinking ... Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 920 912 5830 Hong Kong: +852 6840 6693 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: Planning ahead of disasters with GIS
I'm all for unifying GIS data for the whole Philippines, but before they get on another mapping spending spree, please let us know whatever happened to the geohazard mapping they initiated after the leyte landslides: http://www.newsflash.org/2004/02/pe/pe003835.htm Was it successful? Did LGUs used the data? Were lives saved because of these maps? [with apologies for ranting] On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 6:18 PM, George Tujan gtu...@gmail.com wrote: Incredible! it just might be a ploy to justify more government spendings :) I guess its up to us to really inform the government that OSM can really help. Bigay na lang natin sa mga biktima ang cost savings :) On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 4:09 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Pucha! I almost fell-off my chair! With each map sheet costing P500,000, creating a GIS base map will cost P6.5 billion. I know data creation is expensive, but is it really that much (500K per mapsheet)? -- Forwarded message -- From: r...@cp-union.com r...@cp-union.com Date: Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 3:31 PM Subject: Planning ahead of disasters with GIS To: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Sagutin natin na may available ng mga opensource tools for this and what we need are more support from the government to complete base maps ng phil. Much cheaper din kung open source gagamitin. http://technology.inquirer.net/infotech/infotech/view/20091012-229676/Planning-ahead-of-disasters-with-GIS What you think? Rick -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fw: Philippines
On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: I joined the Typhoon Ondoy Google Groups (http://groups.google.com/group/typhoonondoy) and brought up the OSB map and the use of OSM tiles as an alternative layer for areas where Google Maps is poor (like Laguna). Anyway, check out this interface they developed incorporating OSM Mapnik tiles as another layer to the default Google Maps tiles. http://www.google.com/maps/mpl?moduleurl=http://sugo-katta.appspot.com/neoMapplet35.xml The discussion there is centering towards aggregating all the disparate data into a unified repository of sorts. This will include rescue, relief, rehabilitation, and rebuilding data. Nice! The interface looks cool. But I can't seem to get it working. I tested submitting reports but I can't add an address nor a point. There are no reports generated (probably my poor internet connection). A couple of questions: 1. Do I need a google account to submit reports? 2. Is it possible to close/fix a report? Other than that, the design is excellent especially when we can aggregate other info. A major plus factor to google is the aerials, even when there is no roads we can at least pinpoint a location by looking at the imagery. (You don't need 6.5 B PHP to do this btw, pun intended) On Sun, Oct 11, 2009 at 12:22 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: Received the message below from MapAction .. major kudos, plus requests for data, if there's any possibility of collecting it. - Forwarded Message From: Andrew Smith Subject: RE: Philippines Hi Mikel, Thanks for your email. The OSM data has been fantastic - please pass on our congratulations and thanks to the OSM Philippines team. There is a big need for roads data outside Metro Manila, in particularly in Region III and Region I. The Provinces of La Union, Pangasinan, Tarlac and Pampanga are the worst hit by Pepeng/Parma. Additionally there is the need for the current road status throughout all of the above areas, all the western edge of Laguna De May (see the AOI map attached - this was made for a different purpose, but suffices for this.) There is GIS officer from WFP/Logs Cluster arriving soon, so I will mention your interest and OSM PH's efforts to them. Longer term they would be the people on the international side of thing who will be wanting to know about roads. If you've not already found it, you may be interested in the Typhoon Ondy Google Group: http://www.google.com/landing/typhoon-ondoy.html We have been in contact with them. They have setup a crowd-source mapping effort with some success - helped by the fact that they have some Google alumni amongst their numbers, meaning that they where for a while on the www.google.com.ph landing page. There are quite a lot of other crowd source efforts about and they are now attempting to aggregate them. They have been after roads and road status data recently. I'd recommend you and/or OSM PH introducing themselves on that list. The boundaries are a definite no I'm afraid. This was given to us by GeoData (www.geodata.com.ph) the local ESRI supplier - under a use but don't share arrangement. The other publicly available boundary data was a bit of a mess I'm afraid. Best wishes, Andy Andy Smith - Philippines Field Team MapAction (www.mapaction.org) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Fwd: osb
I replied to this inquiry on using the osb disaster reporting webmap. -- Forwarded message -- From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:00 PM Subject: Re: osb To: Ronnel Golimlim ronnel, Glad to know you find it useful. You can add as much info as you want. One of the features of the system is to be able to easily submit a report (no login needed), once you have provided relief to certain areas, you can mark the report as fixed the icon will change to a blue check mark. You can unfix and fix a report anytime. This way we can monitor which areas need immediate concern. Another feature is you can monitor specific areas given a certain zoom level. For example, if your efforts are concentrated on areas around Dagupan City: http://osb.maps.jsintl.org/?lon=120.381lat=16.05923zoom=12layers=BTTT You can get RSS reports for this area only: http://osb.maps.jsintl.org/osb-cgi/getRSSfeed?b=15.90708t=16.21127l=120.1441r=120.61789 or if you have a GPS, you can download a GPX file showing locations of the report: http://osb.maps.jsintl.org/osb-cgi/getGPX?b=15.90708t=16.21127l=120.14411r=120.61789open=yes We can generate reports for you just let us know what specific info you need. Openstreetmap can also provide you with volunteer mapping services (to update the background map) and since the data (map and submitted reports) can be freely downloaded, we can create additional map-based information. Good luck and more power! On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Ronnel Golimlim Hi there... i would like to ask on how we can use more that mapping system..i have already tested it and i find it very useful..im already promoting osm-ph..but i would like to ask if we can still improve this..like reporting if we have already provided relief to the affected area, so that other organizations can divert their support to other areas who havent reached by relief, also evac center mapping, etc...love to hear from you RONNEL T. GOLIMLIM, RSW -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] efcos and flood monitoring thoughts
Just sharing: My incoherent thoughts on EFCOS and the state of flood monitoring in Metro Manila http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/2009/10/13/free-our-data-rainfall-and-water-level-monitoring/ -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Fwd: osm-ph garmin gps pre-release 20091015
Apologies for cross-posting. Garmin users, please test and report problems osm-ph garmin gps pre-release 20091015 hi, The pre-release OSM-PH Garmin Map is now available. As a volunteer pre-release tester, you are encouraged to download and test the map. Before you download, please remove and create a backup of previous OSM-PH map. This release are available into two versions: - sea-polygon version - this version add the experimental sea polygon - address index version - adds the experimental address search version, in mapsource, try the Find places function. Note that the only way to add the search in your GPS is to upload dat via mapSource. Other improvements: - general improvements in routing including ferry and pedestrian routing - new areas mapped (baguio city; san fernando, la union) Please try to evaluate both versions and report back problems. You need to remove all other versions to install either of the map. The data is as of 20091015 compiled using mkgmap ver. 1281. 43,000 ++ kilometers of roads from 320 ++ contributors To get the files, go to: https://free2.projectlocker.com/maning/osm_ph_garmin_map/trac/ You need to login first, use this generic account. username: osmphgps AT gmail DOT com password: osmphgps Download the maps at: https://free2.projectlocker.com/maning/osm_ph_garmin_map/trac/browser/pre-release/20091015 sea polygon version - https://free2.projectlocker.com/maning/osm_ph_garmin_map/trac/browser/pre-release/20091015/sea address index version - https://free2.projectlocker.com/maning/osm_ph_garmin_map/trac/browser/pre-release/20091015/address The draft test guidelines are here: https://free2.projectlocker.com/maning/osm_ph_garmin_map/trac/wiki/TestGuidelines Please report any problems in the trac/svn site. Make sure you specify which version was used when you report problems. The regular release (November 2009) improvements will be based on your review and comments. Enjoy! maning -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] new high-res images available from digitalglobe
Just to add, we are also allowed to give the data to anybody outside OSM who wish to use them. But I propose they should get an approval of the group and not just me for that matter. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:17 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just got a word from DigitalGlobe re: clarification on the license agreement. Here is the reply: You have full permission to distribute it as you feel you need to, to as many people as you need to, as long as when applicable, you credit the imagery to DigitalGlobe. Provided we do not sell the imagery, it is completely OK to use the data in OSM. Yay! As a preview here's the coverage of data (attached) quickbird_coverage.png An example imagery showing inundated riverbanks post San Roque dam (October 09, 2009) flooded_banks.png The rest of the images are archive (2006) but still very useful. I have been reviewing Gaza's experience on how they used a similar imagery: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Palestine_Gaza#Commercial_aerial_photography There are several options we can explore in order to share the load on tracing the imagery: 1. Create a secured non-cacheable WMS - pro: anybody with proper credentials can access the data and use it in josm or merkaartor. con - need a server to host and maintain 2. Give the actual images to interested volunteers - pro: easy to distribute just provide a download link or send a dvd con: we cannot guarantee that the imagery won't be sold or anything. Just so you know this cost around 2.8 million pesos from a local reseller. 3. Let's organize a map tracing event - pro: we have another social event to look forward invite LGUs who can use the data. con: logistical preparations As some of you know me personally, I would prefer to give out the data to anyone interested but given the explicit request by DigitalGlobe not to let the data (raw imagery) used for profit, I am somehow hesitant in this case. A good parnership with DigitalGlobe can help is in the future. Any ideas? cheers, maning On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:06 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Yep! Good enough for our purpose. I'm 10% finished with the download (poor PC)! Will post details on the data when I'm done. In the meantime we need to discuss how we can share the load in extracting the data (covering 700 sq km @ 0.6 meter resolution) within the bounds of product license. On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Is the imagery rectified already? On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: That's really the plan. They are aware that we are using it for OSM to support disaster recovery efforts. Offline tracing is OK but re-distributing the imagery. Based on experience, is not OK. On 10/20/09, George Tujan gtu...@gmail.com wrote: Can't we just formally ask DigitalGlobe that we will be tracing their images for OSM? On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:30 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, DigitalGlobe provided high-res images for some areas affected by Pepeng in Northern Luzon. I am downloading them now. Might take 1 full day (maybe more) to finish. I would like to share them to the group so that they can help tracing the roads. However, I don't think DigitalGlobe allows for public access of the images. Any suggestion how we can proceed? Maybe a satellite tracing party? @ Mikel, can you share your experience with Gaza? AFAIK, you have access to highres images in the area but a similar non-public release of the images ws part of the agreement? -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers
Re: [talk-ph] new high-res images available from digitalglobe
Hi, Just an additional update: 1. SPOT Asia donated SPOT5 images for areas in Eastern Bulacan (10m resolution). Not very high-res but we can still use it. 2. Quickbird downloads halfway done (I'm running out of disk space already!). Posted a hosting request to the OSm main talk. No takers so far. All status are documented here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/philippines_ondoy#Data_updates Please add more ideas on how we can maximize the use of the images. On 10/21/09, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Well, once option 1 is set, people can start tracing. Also, we can then start organizing for an event for this. It would be nice if we can get someone who is familiar with Pangasinan. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 3:06 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: For option 1 somebody at main talk committed to help. For option 3, can you join to at least start the tracing once we have the data? Parang code sprint only this time trace sprint ala google map maker mapping party. On 10/21/09, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: I think a combination of options 1 and 3 is better. Set-up option 1 and have option 3 for publicity. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:23 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Just to add, we are also allowed to give the data to anybody outside OSM who wish to use them. But I propose they should get an approval of the group and not just me for that matter. On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:17 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Just got a word from DigitalGlobe re: clarification on the license agreement. Here is the reply: You have full permission to distribute it as you feel you need to, to as many people as you need to, as long as when applicable, you credit the imagery to DigitalGlobe. Provided we do not sell the imagery, it is completely OK to use the data in OSM. Yay! As a preview here's the coverage of data (attached) quickbird_coverage.png An example imagery showing inundated riverbanks post San Roque dam (October 09, 2009) flooded_banks.png The rest of the images are archive (2006) but still very useful. I have been reviewing Gaza's experience on how they used a similar imagery: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Palestine_Gaza#Commercial_aerial_photography There are several options we can explore in order to share the load on tracing the imagery: 1. Create a secured non-cacheable WMS - pro: anybody with proper credentials can access the data and use it in josm or merkaartor. con - need a server to host and maintain 2. Give the actual images to interested volunteers - pro: easy to distribute just provide a download link or send a dvd con: we cannot guarantee that the imagery won't be sold or anything. Just so you know this cost around 2.8 million pesos from a local reseller. 3. Let's organize a map tracing event - pro: we have another social event to look forward invite LGUs who can use the data. con: logistical preparations As some of you know me personally, I would prefer to give out the data to anyone interested but given the explicit request by DigitalGlobe not to let the data (raw imagery) used for profit, I am somehow hesitant in this case. A good parnership with DigitalGlobe can help is in the future. Any ideas? cheers, maning On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 11:06 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Yep! Good enough for our purpose. I'm 10% finished with the download (poor PC)! Will post details on the data when I'm done. In the meantime we need to discuss how we can share the load in extracting the data (covering 700 sq km @ 0.6 meter resolution) within the bounds of product license. On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Is the imagery rectified already? On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 9:55 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: That's really the plan. They are aware that we are using it for OSM to support disaster recovery efforts. Offline tracing is OK but re-distributing the imagery. Based on experience, is not OK. On 10/20/09, George Tujan gtu...@gmail.com wrote: Can't we just formally ask DigitalGlobe that we will be tracing their images for OSM? On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:30 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, DigitalGlobe provided high-res images for some areas affected by Pepeng in Northern Luzon. I am downloading them now. Might take 1 full day (maybe more) to finish. I would like to share them to the group so that they can help tracing the roads. However, I don't think DigitalGlobe allows for public access of the images. Any
Re: [talk-ph] new high-res images available from digitalglobe
Kai and all, Yes we have secured a space in the OSM-dev server. I have been uploading the files for generation of a mapnik like tiles which everyone can use in any OSM editor. Almost halfway the uploading process. Will keep you updated for progress. One option to host the images might be on the OSM-dev server. It has a fair amount of space and can be used for projects to help expand OSM, so hosting aerial imagery from which one can trace for OSM seems well within its intended purposes. It currently also hosts some out-of-copyright maps of the UK for tracing, which is similar in nature. I guess it will depend a bit on how large the images are and under what conditions they are allowed to be used, but it is worth asking the server admins for a dev-account. Another alternative could potentially be the new dev server Strato donated to the German OSM-chapter. Kai -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] loading geotiff to osm editors
Hi, for testing Hi Maning, See http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=16.09601lon=120.55866zoom=15tileurl=http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~gravitystorm/imagery/philippines/!/!/!.png I've completed just one image as the test, I'll be puting more together later. The tiles are available to zoom 17. I made a small area available to 18, you can see what it's like at http://www.openstreetmap.org/edit?lat=16.111364lon=120.518244zoom=18tileurl=http://dev.openstreetmap.org/~gravitystorm/imagery/philippines/!/!/!.png There appears to be a slight offset between the imagery and the existing OSM data and GPS traces, which is a bit unfortunate. I'll have a look at that later, but I suspect the imagery isn't 100% correct. Cheers, Andy On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: OK. I've downloaded the first one to use as a test. I presume the complete overlaps are images taken of the same place but at different times? If so, I think the main priority is to produce just one set of tiles with the most up-to-date imagery. When we have that completed, we can look at providing multiple tilesets. If there are partial overlaps (or similar), it's pretty straightforward to handle. I will have a mapnik file that controls the order in which they are overlaid one over the other. It's a simple case of rearranging the order of the images in that xml file to put any particular image on top of the other. I'll get back to you when we get to that stage. Cheers, Andy On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 2:29 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Here's the list of files: 09OCT17025748-S2AS_R1C1-052236533010_01_P001.TIF OK 09OCT17025748-S2AS_R2C1-052236533010_01_P001.TIF 09AUG22023808-S2AS_R2C1-052236533010_01_P002.TIF 09AUG22023808-S2AS_R1C1-052236533010_01_P002.TIF 09AUG22023808-S2AS_R3C1-052236533010_01_P002.TIF 09AUG22023808-S2AS_R1C2-052236533010_01_P002.TIF 09AUG22023808-S2AS_R2C2-052236533010_01_P002.TIF 09AUG22023808-S2AS_R3C2-052236533010_01_P002.TIF 06APR10025504-S2AS_R1C1-052236533010_01_P004.TIF 06APR10025504-S2AS_R2C1-052236533010_01_P004.TIF 06APR10025504-S2AS_R3C1-052236533010_01_P004.TIF 06APR10025504-S2AS_R3C2-052236533010_01_P004.TIF I will not upload complete overlaps to minimize upload time. On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 9:03 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: andy, I'm starting the upload of the images. So far, one tile is finished, I will add more tiles in the coming days. A lot of tiles have complete overlaps should I add them anyway? Are we creating separate tiled service for each date of images? Or just one service? On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:40 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks! starting to transfer files /quickbird_philippine_images Will add more files a soon as I get them On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:35 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: OK - upload to the following: # FTP Username: man...@thunderflames.org # Password: -SYDUSH2;,qf # FTP Server: ftp.thunderflames.org # FTP Server Port: 21 Let me know how you get on! Cheers, Andy On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 3:18 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: no ftp server, I need access to one. On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:16 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Do you have an ftp server of your own, or do you need me to give you access to one? Andy On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:53 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent! I can send the files via ftp. I don't digitalglobe will allow multiple downloads from their site. On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:05 PM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, absolutely. I've been thinking of the best way to transfer the files. 1) If they are available online somewhere that I can get access to/download from, that's the best way for me to get them 2) If you have them already, then can you make them available on a server somewhere? 3) If your bandwidth isn't great, can you ship them on DVD or memory stick? 4) If none of them are possible, I will set up a server somewhere that you can upload them to What suits best? I will make the tiles and put the results onto dev.openstreetmap.org for everyone to use. This excellent! Cheers, Andy On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 2:58 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: andy, Is your offer still open? I am midway finishing the download from digitalglobe ftp. The files area really big, around 800 MB each tile and covers around 10 or so tiles. Unfortunately my PC cannot handle processing such files at the moment (limited RAM and disk space). Is it OK to send you the files and host the TMS? I can probably upload the files incrementally so that other OSM-PH mappers can start using the data. Thanks! maning On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 12:48 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:35 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb
[talk-ph] Fwd: osm-ph garmin gps pre-release 20091015
Hi, A new test version is available for evaluation As with the previous pre-release, two versions are are available: - sea-polygon version - this version add the experimental sea polygon - address index combined with sea polygon version - adds the experimental address search version and sea poly, in mapsource, try the Find places function. Note that the only way to add the search in your GPS is to upload dat via mapSource. The previous address ver cannot be uploaded to the GPS device, please test if this works this time Get the maps here: https://free2.projectlocker.com/maning/osm_ph_garmin_map/trac/browser/pre-release/20091030 On Sat, Oct 17, 2009 at 1:56 AM, osmph gpd osmph...@gmail.com wrote: osm-ph garmin gps pre-release 20091015 hi, The pre-release OSM-PH Garmin Map is now available. As a volunteer pre-release tester, you are encouraged to download and test the map. Before you download, please remove and create a backup of previous OSM-PH map. This release are available into two versions: - sea-polygon version - this version add the experimental sea polygon - address index version - adds the experimental address search version, in mapsource, try the Find places function. Note that the only way to add the search in your GPS is to upload dat via mapSource. Other improvements: - general improvements in routing including ferry and pedestrian routing - new areas mapped (baguio city; san fernando, la union) Please try to evaluate both versions and report back problems. You need to remove all other versions to install either of the map. The data is as of 20091015 compiled using mkgmap ver. 1281. 43,000 ++ kilometers of roads from 320 ++ contributors To get the files, go to: https://free2.projectlocker.com/maning/osm_ph_garmin_map/trac/ You need to login first, use this generic account. username: osmphgps AT gmail DOT com password: osmphgps Download the maps at: https://free2.projectlocker.com/maning/osm_ph_garmin_map/trac/browser/pre-release/20091015 sea polygon version - https://free2.projectlocker.com/maning/osm_ph_garmin_map/trac/browser/pre-release/20091015/sea address index version - https://free2.projectlocker.com/maning/osm_ph_garmin_map/trac/browser/pre-release/20091015/address The draft test guidelines are here: https://free2.projectlocker.com/maning/osm_ph_garmin_map/trac/wiki/TestGuidelines Please report any problems in the trac/svn site. Make sure you specify which version was used when you report problems. The regular release (November 2009) improvements will be based on your review and comments. Enjoy! maning -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] status update: armchair mapping in Pangasinan
Barely 1 month and we have excellent progress in Pangasinan! Great work guys! I propose we improve the data more by adding: 1. Waterways - stream, canals, rivers and riverbanks 2. Landuse - farm, fish_ponds, scree, residential, forest 3. Large buildings I am initiating contact with locals to improve the data. Unsuccessful so far, help is needed. Keep on mapping kids! :) On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 8:25 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, We're having excellent progress the past days adding data in Pangasinan area: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=120.331minlat=15.9464maxlon=120.602maxlat=16.2202box=yes Both from local and international mappers: http://www.openstreetmap.org/history?bbox=120.096%2C15.883%2C120.837%2C16.283 The power of collaboration never fail to amaze me. But we need more help, so please contribute. In particular, if anyone can contact local residents or LGU, maybe we can assist them on improving the data and eventually use use it for planning decisions. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] OSM and mapping professionals
I do hope he becomes an OSM convert. Several friends I have in the geospatial industry, have the same initial reaction. But I know some are using OSM data already. @murlwe, he seems to be based in Mindanao so it would be good if you can have a meet-up. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com wrote: Kids prepare to be amazed! Well, I am - I am waiting for the mapping professionals to join the discussions here. Eugene, I agree he doesn't know how OSM actually works. It works for us but the guy find it hard to fit OSM in his craft. The level of accuracy he wanted is not really practical for OSM. If we can have data as accurate as what he is wanted then why not add it to OSM. Best, murlwe -Original Message- From: Eugene Alvin Villar [sea...@gmail.com] Sent: 11/9/2009 8:48:58 PM To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] OSM and mapping professionals Hi guys, In case you weren't aware, there was a very lively discussion over at the Mapping Mindanao blog where a mapping professional suggested that local OSM mappers invite people like him to talk about mapping knowledge and how mapping amateurs (i.e. OSMers) need to be aware about basic mapping fundamentals. http://mapping.ideacampdavao.com/2009/07/davao-mapping-party-post-party-report.html I'll just leave you guys to read the 42-comments-long thread there. Please don't reply anymore there because it was decided that the discussion be moved here (use this e-mail!). Up to now, I'm still trying to ascertain where exactly he is coming from since I don't think he understands how OSM has made mapping into a successful crowd-sourced project. As far as I understand, the central point boils down to a matter of accuracy in georeferencing. He seems to imply that OSM data is not useful in his industry since it isn't properly collected (being primarily collected using consumer-grade GPS devices). Cheers, Eugene / seav ___ Get the Free email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com Unlimited Email Storage – POP3 – Calendar – SMS – Translator – Much More! ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] best practice for mapping landuse=farm
Hi, I am currently tracing farms in Bulacan from the spot5 imagery. The current practice I do following this example (http://osm.org/go/4zhBwibC) is to map as much as possible separate fields subdivided by pilapils, irrigation canals and hedgerows. But this gets to be a daunting task over time. I am reading the discussion over the talk page ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:landuse%3Dfarm ) and the proposed approaches are: 1. Draw a polygon enclosing an entire island, like Great Britain, or even a subcontinent, like Europe; tag it as farmland; and then let everything else sit on top of that. Pro: least effort for mappers. Con: no way to mark unvisited land; risks telling lies. 2. Draw every field or farm separately, as it gets surveyed, and admit that we don't know about the rest. Pro: the most honest, accountable solution. Con: time-consuming, lots of data. Which one should we adopt? I'm inclined to follow option 2. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] best practice for mapping landuse=farm
Thanks ian. I'll do option 2. On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 2:48 PM, ian lopez ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com wrote: I prefer option two as well, since we may end up turning an unsuspecting place (specifically an obviously non-farm area, see here: http://osm.org/go/4zhFrawyw- ) into farmland. And regarding option 2's cons, I have only this to say: May tiyaga, may nilaga (or something like that). --- Tony Montana: Me, I want what's coming to me. Manny Ribera: Oh, well what's coming to you? Tony Montana: The world, chico, and everything in it. - http://ianlopez1115.wordpress.com/ --- On Wed, 11/11/09, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Subject: [talk-ph] best practice for mapping landuse=farm To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 8:58 PM Hi, I am currently tracing farms in Bulacan from the spot5 imagery. The current practice I do following this example (http://osm.org/go/4zhBwibC) is to map as much as possible separate fields subdivided by pilapils, irrigation canals and hedgerows. But this gets to be a daunting task over time. I am reading the discussion over the talk page ( http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:landuse%3Dfarm ) and the proposed approaches are: 1. Draw a polygon enclosing an entire island, like Great Britain, or even a subcontinent, like Europe; tag it as farmland; and then let everything else sit on top of that. Pro: least effort for mappers. Con: no way to mark unvisited land; risks telling lies. 2. Draw every field or farm separately, as it gets surveyed, and admit that we don't know about the rest. Pro: the most honest, accountable solution. Con: time-consuming, lots of data. Which one should we adopt? I'm inclined to follow option 2. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] OSM and Mapping Pros
arnel, I do understand that OSM sustainability will be at stake when free differential correction becomes available in the Philippines. When dgps becomes available, then surely we will use it. European OSMers are now using egnos to update their own patch in OSM. For the meantime, we will use whatever tools (mostly free) that are available. If somebody gives me 20K PHP, I can rent a DGPS unit (for a week) and bike around my own OSM patch to make it more accurate. If sustainability is a concern of yours, then what path are you going to take? Let me share some of my thoughts re:sustainability vis-a-vis OSM principles. 1. OSM data gets better by iteration - that's the basic principle of a wiki. If the data right now is inaccurate, we can edit it again and again until it gets better and better. 2. No data or edit is immutable - again a very basic wiki principle. If someone added data, anyone can correct, improve, delete them. Given the above principle, I'm sure OSM is more sustainable than other mapping project. Come on guys. Yes, I think we are beyond the turned-off phase now. We would love to hear what you can contribute here being a mapping pro for 20 years. Welcome! ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] best practice for mapping landuse=farm
On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: I think we should mark entire farms as one polygon as much as possible and not separate individual paddies as their own polygons. The dirt paths and irrigation canals are still part of the farm, right? No I'm not marking individual paddies. Maybe my message was a bit confusing. The SPOT5 has a pix res of 10 meters. I usually map a farm polygon when there is obvious subdivision between adjacent farms like large irrigation canals. This is usually visible in the image at around 4-5 pixels (roughly 40-50 meters). The gap size seems sensible enough. Whenever possible, I am also excluding residential areas around the farms. Is this OK? Sorry I can't provide a visual example (the data is on another machine) and I haven't added anything in the OSM database just yet. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] more accurate open-source gps hardware
@ murlwe, something you may want to tinker with :) -- Forwarded message -- From: Alex S. m...@swavely.com Date: Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 6:47 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] more accurate open-source gps hardware To: t...@openstreetmap.org http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/11/diy_real_time_kinematic_gps.html ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] more accurate open-source gps hardware
Talaga? RTK GPS have you tested it hooked to a GPS Base Station? What is the accuracy? On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com wrote: @maning, I already created prototypes similar to that. Do you need a GPS that can be hooked to your pc via USB/Serial port? We can design something for you. Best, murlwe -Original Message- From: maning sambale [emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com] Sent: 11/15/2009 8:15:44 PM To: gtu...@gmail.com;talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] more accurate open-source gps hardware If someone (I'm thinking of you guys at neuraltech) can do a similar prototype, I can arrange a hookup to a GPS base station. On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 5:23 PM, George Tujan gtu...@gmail.com wrote: very interesting, thanks for the link maning. btw murlwe is in manila. On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 4:12 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: @ murlwe, something you may want to tinker with :) -- Forwarded message -- From: Alex S. m...@swavely.com Date: Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 6:47 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] more accurate open-source gps hardware To: t...@openstreetmap.org http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/11/diy_real_time_kinematic_gps.html ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph . ___ Get the Free email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com Unlimited Email Storage – POP3 – Calendar – SMS – Translator – Much More! -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] more accurate open-source gps hardware
Oh OK, might be good to experiment with this one (barring time and craziness :)). Everything is available at the RTKLib site. On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com wrote: @maning, I already created prototypes similar to that. Maning I stand corrected. Not the RTK. If someone (I'm thinking of you guys at neuraltech) can do a similar prototype, I can arrange a hookup to a GPS base station. We can provide the GPS interface. Best, murlwe -Original Message- From: maning sambale [emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com] Sent: 11/16/2009 9:35:04 AM To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] more accurate open-source gps hardware Talaga? RTK GPS have you tested it hooked to a GPS Base Station? What is the accuracy? On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com wrote: @maning, I already created prototypes similar to that. Do you need a GPS that can be hooked to your pc via USB/Serial port? We can design something for you. Best, murlwe -Original Message- From: maning sambale [emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com] Sent: 11/15/2009 8:15:44 PM To: gtu...@gmail.com;talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] more accurate open-source gps hardware If someone (I'm thinking of you guys at neuraltech) can do a similar prototype, I can arrange a hookup to a GPS base station. On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 5:23 PM, George Tujan gtu...@gmail.com wrote: very interesting, thanks for the link maning. btw murlwe is in manila. On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 4:12 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: @ murlwe, something you may want to tinker with :) -- Forwarded message -- From: Alex S. m...@swavely.com Date: Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 6:47 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] more accurate open-source gps hardware To: t...@openstreetmap.org http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2009/11/diy_real_time_kinematic_gps.html ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph . ___ Get the Free email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com Unlimited Email Storage #8211 POP3 #8211 Calendar #8211 SMS #8211 Translator #8211 Much More! -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ Get the Free email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com Unlimited Email Storage – POP3 – Calendar – SMS – Translator – Much More! -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] website using osm metro manila data
http://www.newmanila.com/ http://www.newmanila.com/property_detail.asp?id=11739 -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Michael Collinson's talk about OSM and the Philippines at SOTM 2008
Hey I saw myself in the slides! Thanks for to like Eugene and big thanks to Mike. On 11/17/09, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, You might want to see this: http://vimeo.com/7097011 It's a video of Mike Collinson's talk The Philippines - OSM at work in Asia given at State of the Map 2008 in Limerick, Ireland. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Time for another mapping party?
Retrying this appeal. Anybody interested for a mapping party before 2009 ends? Or an OSM-PH mini conf? Or both? On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, It's been 4 months since the Tagaytay Mapping Party, so I think it's time we do another one and I suggest that this time we do it in Metro Manila to get more participants. (And try to better the event management skills of the Davao pips when they did their Davao Mapping Party. ;-) While Metro Manila is covered by Yahoo! imagery, there are plenty of places where a virgin GPS survey is possible. Here are some places I can think of: 1. Ortigas Home Depot and Metro Walk. The Yahoo! imagery here is outdated so this is a good spot to survey. The problem is that this spot is too small. But we could fill in the time with presentations if we were to target newbies. 2. McKinley Hills in Taguig (near Bonifacio Global City). Yahoo! imagery is outdated too. Same concerns as above. 3. Mandaluyong around Shaw Blvd. This area is covered by clouds in Yahoo! so GPS surveying is definitely needed. 4. Combine all of the above as separate slices if the number of participants is high. Any other suggestions? Eugene / seav ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] namefinder now gives address information
Hi, I just discovered this one a few hours ago. A co-worker printed a google map and ask me where is Atrium in Makati. Since it is a paper map, I cannot do search :). Naturally I opened openstreetmap and type in Atrium Makati in the Search box. I got this result: Commercial Atrium, Urdaneta, Salcedo, Makati, 1225, Metro Manila, Philippines It gives me village, city, postal_code, region and country! Cool! I did further searching: Panciteria Marikina gives me: Riza's Panciteria, 114, M. H. del Pilar, Dona Juana Subdivision, Calumpang, Marikina, 1610, Metro Manila, Philippines Close enough, but no exact because the data for this node is: * name: Riza's Panciteria * addr:housenumber: 114 * addr:street: M. H. del Pilar * addr:city: Marikina * amenity: fast_food * cuisine: filipino I suspect namefinder is using a mixture of technique to geocode features probably using is_in tag and addressing info. Please try and test around your area. I think the best way is to use the addressing info when it is available. We're getting there! -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] request for map bug squashing
I visited openstreetbugs to report some errors and was overwhelmed by the number of reported bugs! http://openstreetbugs.appspot.com/?lon=121.03178740433653lat=14.413878357637596zoom=10 Some of them I reported myself but never got to update when it was fixed already. I did a few updates and reported a few more errors. Visit the site, if bugs are area, around your area please update. I hope we can decrease the bugs reported :). -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Time for another mapping party?
Sounds good to me. The Saturdays of December are 5, 12 and 19 On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Here's an idea: OSM-PH Christmas-Mapping Party When: a Saturday in early December (let's pick the one where most people are available) Where: Cubao-Project 4 area (the area bounded by EDSA, Aurora, Katipunan and Serrano: http://osm.org/go/4zhSbbzg-- ) What: Walking-Papers-type mapping (no GPS required) then a light dinner (at Gateway?), like the one that happened back in March Who: OSM contributors (no need to target newbies for now, but they are welcome of course) We don't have to go all out. Just a simple activity with fellow OSM contributors. :-) What do you guys think? On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:30 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Retrying this appeal. Anybody interested for a mapping party before 2009 ends? Or an OSM-PH mini conf? Or both? On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, It's been 4 months since the Tagaytay Mapping Party, so I think it's time we do another one and I suggest that this time we do it in Metro Manila to get more participants. (And try to better the event management skills of the Davao pips when they did their Davao Mapping Party. ;-) While Metro Manila is covered by Yahoo! imagery, there are plenty of places where a virgin GPS survey is possible. Here are some places I can think of: 1. Ortigas Home Depot and Metro Walk. The Yahoo! imagery here is outdated so this is a good spot to survey. The problem is that this spot is too small. But we could fill in the time with presentations if we were to target newbies. 2. McKinley Hills in Taguig (near Bonifacio Global City). Yahoo! imagery is outdated too. Same concerns as above. 3. Mandaluyong around Shaw Blvd. This area is covered by clouds in Yahoo! so GPS surveying is definitely needed. 4. Combine all of the above as separate slices if the number of participants is high. Any other suggestions? Eugene / seav ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Time for another mapping party?
December 12, 2009 maning murlwe neil nacario [insert your name here] On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com wrote: I'm in Manila on Dec 9-12. My return fight will be on Dec 12 9pm. Maybe I can join the mapping party on that date. -Original Message- From: Nacario Neil [nbnaca...@yahoo.com] Sent: 11/19/2009 12:11:12 PM To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Time for another mapping party? OK with December 5, 12 or 19 - Original Message From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: OSM talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 12:01:09 PM Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Time for another mapping party? Sounds good to me. The Saturdays of December are 5, 12 and 19 On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Here's an idea: OSM-PH Christmas-Mapping Party When: a Saturday in early December (let's pick the one where most people are available) Where: Cubao-Project 4 area (the area bounded by EDSA, Aurora, Katipunan and Serrano: http://osm.org/go/4zhSbbzg-- ) What: Walking-Papers-type mapping (no GPS required) then a light dinner (at Gateway?), like the one that happened back in March Who: OSM contributors (no need to target newbies for now, but they are welcome of course) We don't have to go all out. Just a simple activity with fellow OSM contributors. :-) What do you guys think? On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:30 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Retrying this appeal. Anybody interested for a mapping party before 2009 ends? Or an OSM-PH mini conf? Or both? On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, It's been 4 months since the Tagaytay Mapping Party, so I think it's time we do another one and I suggest that this time we do it in Metro Manila to get more participants. (And try to better the event management skills of the Davao pips when they did their Davao Mapping Party. ;-) While Metro Manila is covered by Yahoo! imagery, there are plenty of places where a virgin GPS survey is possible. Here are some places I can think of: 1. Ortigas Home Depot and Metro Walk. The Yahoo! imagery here is outdated so this is a good spot to survey. The problem is that this spot is too small. But we could fill in the time with presentations if we were to target newbies. 2. McKinley Hills in Taguig (near Bonifacio Global City). Yahoo! imagery is outdated too. Same concerns as above. 3. Mandaluyong around Shaw Blvd. This area is covered by clouds in Yahoo! so GPS surveying is definitely needed. 4. Combine all of the above as separate slices if the number of participants is high. Any other suggestions? Eugene / seav ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph . ___ Get the Free email that has everyone talking at http://www.mail2world.com Unlimited Email Storage – POP3 – Calendar – SMS – Translator – Much More! ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] namefinder now gives address information
Let me correct myself there are actually three search results you can use in the OSM Map Search box 1. Geonames 2. Namefinder 3. Nominatim Nominatim seems to give better results (from my test). http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nominatim On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 5:28 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I just discovered this one a few hours ago. A co-worker printed a google map and ask me where is Atrium in Makati. Since it is a paper map, I cannot do search :). Naturally I opened openstreetmap and type in Atrium Makati in the Search box. I got this result: Commercial Atrium, Urdaneta, Salcedo, Makati, 1225, Metro Manila, Philippines It gives me village, city, postal_code, region and country! Cool! I did further searching: Panciteria Marikina gives me: Riza's Panciteria, 114, M. H. del Pilar, Dona Juana Subdivision, Calumpang, Marikina, 1610, Metro Manila, Philippines Close enough, but no exact because the data for this node is: * name: Riza's Panciteria * addr:housenumber: 114 * addr:street: M. H. del Pilar * addr:city: Marikina * amenity: fast_food * cuisine: filipino I suspect namefinder is using a mixture of technique to geocode features probably using is_in tag and addressing info. Please try and test around your area. I think the best way is to use the addressing info when it is available. We're getting there! -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Started editing on Palawan, could need a mentor
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/flip666/diary/8693 -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM Inspector now world-wide and with additional views
Really cool debugging tool -- Forwarded message -- From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Date: Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:06 PM Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM Inspector now world-wide and with additional views To: Talk Openstreetmap t...@openstreetmap.org Hi, the Geofabrik OSM Inspector (tools.geofabrik.de/osmi), a debugging tool, now supports worldwide daily data (previously Europe only) for the important views, as well as several other new features. If you are interested, there's more about it on: http://blog.geofabrik.de/?p=27 Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Is Aurora province in region 3 or 4-A
I'm a bit confused, in the past Aurora is part of Quezon Province (hence Region 4), but Wikipedia says its part of region 3. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regions_of_the_Philippines Can someone enlighten me. Thanks in advance. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Time for another mapping party?
Just a reminder, we will have a micro-mapping meetup on Saturday December 12, 2009. This event coincides with OSM's Christmas Party. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Christmas_Party_2009 On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 1:17 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Let's mark this date! December 12, 2009 http://osm.org/go/4zhScqcE Mapping goal: map as much POI as we can within the Araneta Complex and adjacent areas. I can print some walkingpapers (black and white) of the area. Schedule: 8:00 - 3:00 - meet and somewhere in Gateway and then do mapping 3:00 - onwards - meet in a pub/cafe to share stories and plans for next year. On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: December 12, 2009 maning murlwe neil nacario eugene (seav) [insert your name here] On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 10:53 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: December 12, 2009 maning murlwe neil nacario [insert your name here] On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Marloue Pidor mur...@mail2engineer.com wrote: I'm in Manila on Dec 9-12. My return fight will be on Dec 12 9pm. Maybe I can join the mapping party on that date. -Original Message- From: Nacario Neil [nbnaca...@yahoo.com] Sent: 11/19/2009 12:11:12 PM To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Time for another mapping party? OK with December 5, 12 or 19 - Original Message From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: OSM talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Sent: Thu, November 19, 2009 12:01:09 PM Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Time for another mapping party? Sounds good to me. The Saturdays of December are 5, 12 and 19 On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Here's an idea: OSM-PH Christmas-Mapping Party When: a Saturday in early December (let's pick the one where most people are available) Where: Cubao-Project 4 area (the area bounded by EDSA, Aurora, Katipunan and Serrano: http://osm.org/go/4zhSbbzg-- ) What: Walking-Papers-type mapping (no GPS required) then a light dinner (at Gateway?), like the one that happened back in March Who: OSM contributors (no need to target newbies for now, but they are welcome of course) We don't have to go all out. Just a simple activity with fellow OSM contributors. :-) What do you guys think? On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 7:30 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Retrying this appeal. Anybody interested for a mapping party before 2009 ends? Or an OSM-PH mini conf? Or both? On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 11:21 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hey guys, It's been 4 months since the Tagaytay Mapping Party, so I think it's time we do another one and I suggest that this time we do it in Metro Manila to get more participants. (And try to better the event management skills of the Davao pips when they did their Davao Mapping Party. ;-) While Metro Manila is covered by Yahoo! imagery, there are plenty of places where a virgin GPS survey is possible. Here are some places I can think of: 1. Ortigas Home Depot and Metro Walk. The Yahoo! imagery here is outdated so this is a good spot to survey. The problem is that this spot is too small. But we could fill in the time with presentations if we were to target newbies. 2. McKinley Hills in Taguig (near Bonifacio Global City). Yahoo! imagery is outdated too. Same concerns as above. 3. Mandaluyong around Shaw Blvd. This area is covered by clouds in Yahoo! so GPS surveying is definitely needed. 4. Combine all of the above as separate slices if the number of participants is high. Any other suggestions? Eugene / seav ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk
[talk-ph] new activity around Valenzuela and Bulacan
Hi, I see active mapping around Valenzuela and Bulacan http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.7022lon=120.9672zoom=14layers=B000FTFT 2 new mappers are adding new roads and updating way tags. Being new as we were before, common mistakes may occur. I suggest you guys have a short visit and feedback errors to the mappers. The only city/town in Metro Manila that needs local mapper's TLC are Caloocan, Navotas, Malabon. I think we need a Tondo mapper as well. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Post-Cubao Mapping Party Report
Nice post seav! I am finished with my slice already. Not much POIs inside this part of Cubao, except along Aurora Blvd. The difference now with my POI edits is that,I am adding as much addressing info I can collect. Walking papers mapping is really excellent for detailed mapping. I got very poor gps trace results along Aurora blvd. On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 11:49 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Interestingly, my assigned area included Quezon City's least populous barangay, Mangga http://osm.org/go/4zhSeYoU, with a 2007 census population of only 634 people (compare with the most populous, Commonwealth, which has more than 172 thousand people). Looking at the barangay on the map, I actually wondered whether there were any residents in there at all since it is dominated by the Cubao campus of the Technological Institute of the Philippines, industrial areas like San Miguel, and commercial lots. :-) On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 9:57 AM, George Tujan gtu...@gmail.com wrote: excellent work guys! On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, Here's my report for the Cubao Mapping Party that happened last December 12. :-) http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com/posts/osm_cubao_party_post_report Eugene / seav http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] discounted price for bulk order of Garmin GPS
Hi, A local Garmin distributor is offering discount for group buy of GPS. They are using our OSM-PH garmin map and as a show of support, they are offering the discount to OSM-PH contributors. If anyone is interested let me know. They say they are the cheapest in town. The company is navco navco.com.ph (site still under construction) -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] make the philippines routable
May I also add, this idea was partly inspired by Eugene's suggestion to use yournavigation to check for osm routing errors, a while back. On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:35 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Ianlopez posted an idea of making 25 cities in the Philippine connect similar to TIGER fixup/2250 cities. His post here: http://ianlopez1115.wordpress.com/2009/12/21/osm-25-cities-pilipinas/ A couple of weeks ago, I started testing the routabality of several towns in Luzon and fix a few routes already. My spreadsheet is here: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Au2WZQ1DwK_xdHdMT0tUUzh5a0lnUkljM1hJTENiRlEhl=en This is a very nice 2010 project. I hope other's can pitch in. @ ian, can we join forces? :) -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] editing admin boundaries of Marikina
Finally re-visited Marikina city and barangay boundaries. Please check if I made the correct relation tags. City boundary: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/146949 Barangay boundary: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Metro_Manila/Boundary_Relations#Marikina On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 12:09 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Having the internal boundaries is actually a con. The boundary of Marikina is its borders with other entities (like Pasig and Antipolo). The internal boundaries are more properly boundaries of the barangays, not of Marikina itself. Not entirely, IMO A barangay (which I treat as a single polygon unit) is within a municipality (a collection of barangay polygons) which is within a province (a collection municipality polygons) with a few exceptions of course and so on and so forth. Ah, now I see where you're coming from. I agree that the barangays of Marikina are part of Marikina and that Marikina is part of Metro Manila and so on. But we are talking about boundaries here (relation type=boundary), i.e., land area perimeters, not the land area itself. That's why I think that the internal borders shouldn't be counted. In addition, because these internal boundaries are included in the relation, they are being drawn as admin_level=6 (per the relation tag) in Mapnik, This is a rendering problem. though the presence of area=yes seems to mess things up. I think I removed them in Marikina let's discuss this more. PS/OT: Incidentally, at work, I'm looking at using the NCSB codes for codifying provincial polygons. Does anybody use this at all? I think we can use the NSCB Philippine Standard Geographic Codes to refer to the various administrative units. Maybe as ref=* tags? We can also use the ISO 3166 codes for int_ref=*. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] editing admin boundaries of Marikina
OK will do that later. On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: The ones I've checked look good. One suggestion, add an admin_level=* tag to the individual ways. The number will correspond to the highest administrative boundary. So for the Marikina barangay boundaries, it will be either 10 (barangay), 6 (city), or 3 (region [Metro Manila]). On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 8:28 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Finally re-visited Marikina city and barangay boundaries. Please check if I made the correct relation tags. City boundary: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/146949 Barangay boundary: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Metro_Manila/Boundary_Relations#Marikina -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Mapping Orani Bataan
Jing, I discovered OSM a year ago, back then it was not too significant in my travel routines. Until last November 2009, I finally decided to buy a Car GPS. Having tested OSM's map on a friend's Garmin GPS, I said to my self, its time to bring my navigation tools to the next level. Bestbuy offered last November's black friday sale a Garmin Nuvi 205w, for only $99.99 (less than 5 thousand pesos). So a friend, Narcky (who is now also a contributor to OSM) and I bought this new baby. Make sure you enable 1 second tracking in your nuvi. This way, you get maximum density of gps trace. Narcky and I are planning to map the whole of Orani, Bataan. We will be using delivery trucks that goes around the entire town to collect GPS traces. Narcky hails from Orani. If you will notice, we started tracing roads from the Bataan Provincial Expressway to the town center of Orani, and a few roads that was driven by the GPS. My next mapping project will be San Jose City, Nueva Ecija. Just a small city, I plan to hire a tricycle, put the GPS on, and let the tricycle loose all over the city. My estimate is it will run in less than an hour to cover the entire downtown. If successful, I will try to do Cabanatuan City next. If your planning to trace several cities, I suggest you also look for locals who maybe interested in continuing your efforts. Locals can add a lot more detail other than roads. We are not only building the data, we also want communities to maintain and continually update the data. :) Wish me luck guys. Good luck! If you need help just ask around here. Regards, Jing New Email names for you! Get the Email name you've always wanted on the new @ymail and @rocketmail. Hurry before someone else does! ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Phil. Barangay Shapefile (Free) Download in Diva GIS site
On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 12:29 PM, Noli Sicad nsi...@gmail.com wrote: Maning, Probably, OSM Phil can write to GADM.org if it can be used for OSM project. As I understood, OSM project is not-commercial project nor commercial product. You can use OSM data both for commercial and non-commercial enterprise. Provided you adopt the same license when distributing your product. The commercial clause is important for wider adoption of the data for businesses. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.0/ Which brings me to one question, anybody here using OSM Philippine data for commercial purpose? We would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks in pointing this out. Noli On 1/1/10, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Noli, Thanks for the link. This is very useful. Unfortunately, it does not fit wih OSM's license: This dataset is freely available for academic and other non-commercial use. Redistribution, or commercial use, is not allowed without prior permission. http://www.gadm.org/; On Fri, Jan 1, 2010 at 11:38 AM, Noli Sicad nsi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Happy New Year! I just subscribe. I have been searching for barangay level shapefile for the Philippines for a while now. I am really getting frustrate that we don't have a municipal and barangay level shapefiles available for free download. I googled OSM Philippines barangay shapefile, no entry as well in talk-ph archive. Yesterday, I was searching for New Zealand shapefile as well, same situation. You can't find one using google. I went to cloudmate and download the shapefile for a start, coastline only. I thought of going to some open source GIS and see if there are some data for shapefile for New Zealand. I know that there is free shapefile for New Zealand. I finally find the New Zealand in Diva GIS site and interesting enough, Philippines is included. I thought for a while it must be a provincial level. I was suprised that the zip file includes, provincial, municipal and barangay level site file. Anyway, you can download in http://www.diva-gis.org/Data Country level Download country level data ---Click here. Download data by country Select and download free geographic (GIS) data for any country in the world Country Philippines Subject Adminstrative Areas. ~` Maning, probably you can use this one for the your GARMIN GPS map, etc. Thanks, Noli ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Mapping Orani Bataan
http://www.malfreemaps.com/viewtopic.php?f=28t=1616 Make sure to read every important bit before applying the patch. On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 4:09 PM, Jing Iya jing_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Maning, Make sure you enable 1 second tracking in your nuvi. This way, you get maximum density of gps trace. Any idea how to do this? Thanks for the tip. Jing http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph Get your preferred Email name! Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Quarterly Mapping Parties (was: Re: Looking forward to OSM-PH in 2010
Hi, I created a stub page for the mapping party events http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/MappingParty Please add more info. QUARTERLY MICRO MAPPING PARTIES --- We think that more frequent and regular Micro Mapping Parties in vicinity of Metro Manila would be better in order to reach newbies and share mapping techniques and create a more social/friendly interaction among mappers. Instead of asking everyone on which date they are free, we will just set fixed dates and people can choose to attend the Parties when they are free. We are also looking to get sponsorships for these events (most likely the local Garmin distributors). Davao mappers and other areas can schedule their own regular events. Other ideas for mapping events: - Mapping slums/urban poor areas - ala mapkibera.org - Use TODA (transport groups) to speed up road naming within their respective routes. We could trace streets from Yahoo! print it then give it to jeepney/tricycle drivers to verify. - Organize mapping events among local college and universities -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Quarterly Mapping Parties (was: Re: Looking forward to OSM-PH in 2010
I added 2 proposed mapping area: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/MappingParty#Proposed_area Please add more so we can discuss what would be suitable (a highly subjective criteria, btw) for most people. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:24 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I created a stub page for the mapping party events http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/MappingParty Please add more info. QUARTERLY MICRO MAPPING PARTIES --- We think that more frequent and regular Micro Mapping Parties in vicinity of Metro Manila would be better in order to reach newbies and share mapping techniques and create a more social/friendly interaction among mappers. Instead of asking everyone on which date they are free, we will just set fixed dates and people can choose to attend the Parties when they are free. We are also looking to get sponsorships for these events (most likely the local Garmin distributors). Davao mappers and other areas can schedule their own regular events. Other ideas for mapping events: - Mapping slums/urban poor areas - ala mapkibera.org - Use TODA (transport groups) to speed up road naming within their respective routes. We could trace streets from Yahoo! print it then give it to jeepney/tricycle drivers to verify. - Organize mapping events among local college and universities -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Boundaries covered by high-res imagery
Hi, Do we have complete trace of the bounds of Yahoo! imagery? I saw the partial southern bounds for Metro Manila http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=28738861 -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Quarterly Mapping Parties (was: Re: Looking forward to OSM-PH in 2010
Woohoo! A mapping buddy! We have lots of things to add. My goal is to make Marikina road complete (it is by my standards, given a few missing names) by this year. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Jing Iya jing_...@yahoo.com wrote: Maning, Since I live within Marikina, I can join this mapping part if I am free. This will be my first time :) Regards, Jing From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, January 4, 2010 11:21:31 Subject: Re: [talk-ph] Quarterly Mapping Parties (was: Re: Looking forward to OSM-PH in 2010 I added 2 proposed mapping area: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/MappingParty#Proposed_area Please add more so we can discuss what would be suitable (a highly subjective criteria, btw) for most people. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 10:24 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I created a stub page for the mapping party events http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/MappingParty Please add more info. QUARTERLY MICRO MAPPING PARTIES --- We think that more frequent and regular Micro Mapping Parties in vicinity of Metro Manila would be better in order to reach newbies and share mapping techniques and create a more social/friendly interaction among mappers. Instead of asking everyone on which date they are free, we will just set fixed dates and people can choose to attend the Parties when they are free. We are also looking to get sponsorships for these events (most likely the local Garmin distributors). Davao mappers and other areas can schedule their own regular events. Other ideas for mapping events: - Mapping slums/urban poor areas - ala mapkibera.org - Use TODA (transport groups) to speed up road naming within their respective routes. We could trace streets from Yahoo! print it then give it to jeepney/tricycle drivers to verify. - Organize mapping events among local college and universities -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph Get your preferred Email name! Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] I think we can get data for Taguig City
Good luck! On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:42 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I saw my uncle, who is the City Administrator for Taguig, on TV a while ago. He was consulted by XXX (ABS-CBN investigative show) and the show showed him poring over maps to determine whether an illegal operation was within Taguig's jurisdiction (along the C-6 road). I realized just then that maybe I can ask him if it's possible if OSM can get mapping data for Taguig City. I didn't think of this before since I didn't really know what city administrators do. City administrators apparently run the day-to-day operations of the city. Apart from the Mayor and City Planning and Development Office, the City Admin is the best way to get the ball rolling for LGU requests. I'll contact him and see what we can get. This should be exciting. :-) Eugene (osm:seav) ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] too much unnecessary place tag
I don't think it is necessary to add a place=whatever in POIs. Some edits in Valenzuela and Bulacan makes the map cluttered: http://osm.org/go/4zhURduu- I already sent the mapper a message regarding this issue. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Boundaries covered by high-res imagery
I closed the loop (not too detailed, its not necessary anyway). Metro Manila and adjacent towns - http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=28738861 Pampanga Area - http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=47537475 Which brings me to the question that's been bugging me last year. Have we maximized the use of Yahoo! aerial imagery in these areas? At least for tracing roads? NO. So keep on tracing, until we reach the edge. :) On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:45 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Nope. Ian is the one who did that partial trace. I guess nobody else bothered to trace some more. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:40 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Do we have complete trace of the bounds of Yahoo! imagery? I saw the partial southern bounds for Metro Manila http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=28738861 -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Boundaries covered by high-res imagery
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Ronny Ager-Wick - Develo Ltd. r...@develo.ltd.uk wrote: Absolutely, there are still roads to be traced here. The imagery we have at the moment are from Yahoo! and they allowed OSM to use them. Do we have a time limit on the use of these images? AFAIK, there isn't even a formal agreement with Yahoo! so there is no guarantee on the time limit. But given the past experience, and the momentum of OSM, I don't think they will take it back in the near future. Also, what is the reason for the limited area? It's what Yahoo! have so we have to make do with that (Google has better imagery). BUT, we can add more if we have the resources similar to our Pangasinan experience: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?minlon=120.331minlat=15.9464maxlon=120.602maxlat=16.2202box=yes The data we are adding (remotely) is crazy the past 2 months! This made me realize that import of high-res imagery seems to be better than just importing vector data (although we also welcome this). With high-res imagery we can get more contributors in other areas. GPS collection is still too techie for most people. I am planning to coordinate more on this front this year. If you have ideas where we can get imagery donation, just give us a call. I've been doing a bit of editing along the upper eastern edge a while ago, and added some GPS tracks going outside the area when I was there in September. I have to say the images are very useful, so it would be great with more of them! Do the satellite images with this detail only cover this area or can we get hold of more? Ronny. maning sambale wrote: I closed the loop (not too detailed, its not necessary anyway). Metro Manila and adjacent towns - http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=28738861 Pampanga Area - http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=47537475 Which brings me to the question that's been bugging me last year. Have we maximized the use of Yahoo! aerial imagery in these areas? At least for tracing roads? NO. So keep on tracing, until we reach the edge. :) On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:45 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Nope. Ian is the one who did that partial trace. I guess nobody else bothered to trace some more. On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 1:40 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Do we have complete trace of the bounds of Yahoo! imagery? I saw the partial southern bounds for Metro Manila http://www.openstreetmap.org/?way=28738861 -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] planned new imagery for Eastern Bulacan area
Hi, As promised, we have a possible new imagery to add in Eastern Bulacan Area. Approximate image resolution is 10 meters. Not as good as what is in Pangasinan, but better than LANDSAT and this is more recent (20080312). The sample image is here: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4052/4253859520_0ffd4613e5_o.png Some issues: 1. The image is a a bit dark. So I manipulated image (histogram stretch in remote sensing parlance) to look better. http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4013/4253860134_116b380aa8_o.png 2. The default georectification is shifted, (sat image with OSM road overlay) http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4033/4253859690_fe364081c5_o.png Ergo, we need to collect accurate GPS point (ground control point aging in RS parlance) to correct them. Anyone willing to give me a hitch around Bulacan area to collect GPS points (I can't bike that far)? 3. The eastern most portion is almost covered by clouds so we may have to crop the image to conserve space. 4. The image is veeery big (3 GB)! I am having problems with RAM and disk space. This may take a while for me to process. @ rally, the Towerville site is visible in the map. You may use them as mapping reference. Any help is appreciated. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] mapping stepjuan's journey
hi, I am helping create a webmap for step juan using osm and openlayers. Step Juan is a walking expedition done by one man. The idea is to walk from Pagudpod to Sorsogon (these are our covered areas for now) without any means of vehicular assistance and to do this for several weeks, straight, stopping only for food and rest. The backbone and foundation for this idea is to raise funds for the cancer children under the Cancer Warriors Foundation If you have ideas how we can improve the map or if you know some javascript/openlayers incantation just let me know, test map is here: http://www.stepjuan.com/map_eps.html I also lent him one gpstogo unit to track the whole expedition. Traces will appear on the map in the coming days. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] mapping stepjuan's journey
The gpstogo unit run on internal batteries. My experience, it can last for more than a day of full charge. Tomas owns a solar usb charger. On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Rally de Leon rall...@gmail.com wrote: how many hours is the battery time of gpstogo? does he know when to check replace batteries (else lose tracklogs). on the road, what's the provision for recharging batteries (is there a support vehicle nearby? i guess not since it will be too expensive on fuel for a vehicle to follow them at such a slow-walking pace). On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 2:33 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: hi, I am helping create a webmap for step juan using osm and openlayers. Step Juan is a walking expedition done by one man. The idea is to walk from Pagudpod to Sorsogon (these are our covered areas for now) without any means of vehicular assistance and to do this for several weeks, straight, stopping only for food and rest. The backbone and foundation for this idea is to raise funds for the cancer children under the Cancer Warriors Foundation If you have ideas how we can improve the map or if you know some javascript/openlayers incantation just let me know, test map is here: http://www.stepjuan.com/map_eps.html I also lent him one gpstogo unit to track the whole expedition. Traces will appear on the map in the coming days. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] mapping stepjuan's journey
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 8:08 AM, Andre Marcelo-Tanner an...@enthropia.com wrote: Is there any software to automatically show his position on a map aside from someone having to update it manually? Yes that would be better a moving icon as tomas walks. But I don't how to do this. :( Right now what I do is get the traces from Tomas at the end of the day. Clean the track and upload to the webmap. Any coder interested in implementing this? Looks like a great idea, maybe the web people should use facebook and twitter to keep people updated and spread the word before it starts even? We have a twitter, multiply and facebook account: http://stepjuan.com/contact.html Please spread the word. ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Mapping experience
sehested, Thanks for sharing your experience. I agree the PH pages needs more work as it's not too friendly to newbies. Murlwe did some potlatch cheatsheet for the davao mapping wokrshop: http://mapping.ideacampdavao.com/2009/06/osm-workshop-in-action.html http://files.getdropbox.com/u/1418629/OpenStreetMap%20cheat%20sheet.pdf Maybe we can use that as a reference. On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 5:37 PM, riber101-...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I just finished mapping Valley View, Cainta - a smal sub division with some 34 roads. The tracking went very smoothly using the following modus operandi: - Prepare equipment: - Garmin Nuvi 800 set to Off Road and Trip Log Show - Camera with GPS tagging - Drive around all 34 roads - Stop at all intersections and take photo of street signs It was amazing to see the track being drawn on the Garmin screen as I drove the streets. Just like using a pen on a piece of paper, except in this case the car was the pen!! When I got home I used Merkaartor to edit the tracks and name the streets: - Import current.gpx track log from the Garmin and drawn up the streets - Transfer the geotagged photos to a folder and used HoudahGeo to read the location and display it on a map (Merkaartor Mac does not yet support import of photos/Potlatch photo import is experimental) Merkaartor uploaded most of my changes but ignored a few so I had review the result in the browser and repeat some of the work so the editing took longer than the actual tracking. All in all a very rewarding experience using my car as a pen and recording all facts without need for pen or paper. That was definitely the fun part. Editing the maps takes a lot of work and require attention to detail and the lack of information regarding naming standards, recommended tags and undocumented software makes it a challenge to do good mapping. I believe we could really benefit from a clear and concise description of basic tagging. What's done here is a good start http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Mapping_conventions If only we could update that so all information needed for basic mapping on the Philippines was in one place. Then we could refer to: The PH POI info is also needed http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/PH:Map_Features And finally the bible http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features However the learning curve is quite steep if you have to read the bible before beginning mapping. A one page info intended for people using Potlatch would allow a lot of people to get down to mapping without further ado and ensure they all use the same guidelines for tagging. Happy mapping Sehested ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Car navigation using Garmin with OSM
I am in favor of adding maxspeed to roads whenever it is shown on the ground either as street sign or a local legislation. However, I am wary with simply adding maxspeed following RA4136. I am thinking of adding these default speedlimits to the garmin map, however, I don't know how we can classify the roads according to the law's definition. Open country roads, with no blinds corners not closely bordered by habitations. Seems to vague for me. On Sat, Jan 9, 2010 at 4:27 PM, riber101-...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I have now been using OSM to navigate around Metro Manila and a trip to Mindoro and have some experience to share: On several occasions Garmin tried to guide me through on way streets going counter flow The OSM maps keeps getting better and each time I find a missing oneway info I just add it when I get home, so next time I will get the proper routing. So that should take care of that problem. Some roads are not connected as having separate ending points Guess this is due to the editors we use that doesn't warn about this. When funny routings occur I make a note and correct the issue when I get back to the computer. So time will solve this as well. Garmin routing times are overly optimistic as typical speed in Manila is 15 km/h and 20-40 km/h on SLEX Garmin often routes through narrow streets rather that using dedicated through fares The main reason Garmin is unable to provide better routing is the lack of maxspeed info for most roads. I suggest to add the maxspeed info for all roads according to the traffic code RA4136 as follows: SPEED LIMIT Passengers Cars and Motorcycle Motor trucks and buses Open country roads, with no blinds corners not closely bordered by habitations. 80 km. per hour 50 km. per hour Through streets or boulevards, clear of traffic, with no blind corners, when so designated. 40 km. per hour 30 km. per hour City and municipal streets, with light traffic, when not designated through streets. 30 km. per hour 30 km. per hour Through crowded streets, approaching intersections at blind corners, passing school zones, passing other vehicles which are stationery, or for similar dangerous circumstances. 20 km. per hour 20 km. per hour Garmin is able to use the maxspeed info to calculate the fastest route and by this automatically select roads with the higher speed limits. So I will advocate that maxspeed is added to all roads in the Philippines. Until this happens Garmin will keep preferring roads WITHOUT speed limits as is thinks they are the fastest. Happy mapping Sehested ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Gensan Google Mapping Party
If all goes as planned, I will be in Northern Mindanao this year. I can start some mapping and if the schedule permits, perhaps some meet-up with interested locals. Will post dates soon. cheers, maning (I hope the planned trip will be finally approved) On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:45 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Here are more plurks about the event from the organizers and participants: http://www.plurk.com/psearch#q=mapping+party They apparently got ABS-CBN to cover the event: http://www.plurk.com/p/35yjb0 On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 2:34 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, especially the OSMers in Davao, There apparently was a Google Mapping Party in Gensan last December 29: http://raincindyblog.blogspot.com/2010/01/gensan-google-mapping-party.html In light of this, when will the IGaCoS (Samal) Mapping Party be? We can't let Google have all the fun! :-P ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Map Kibera import needs some mapper love
Hi guys! I think its appropriate for us to give back some OSM love. :) Two remote mapping requests are needed. MapKibera - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nairobi#Map_Kibera_Import - http://brainoff.com/weblog/2010/01/12/1513 and Haiti Quake - http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti#2010_Earthquake_Response On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 1:40 PM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: The first thing that's needed is removal of old data in Kibera, and linkage of roads in Kibera to Nairobi main lines. What do you think? We can also contribute to the Haiti quake response http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti#2010_Earthquake_Response Thanks as always Mikel == Mikel Maron == http://mapkibera.org/ +254 (0) 724899738 mi...@osmfoundation.org From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com Sent: Tue, January 12, 2010 8:40:54 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Map Kibera import needs some mapper love Time to give back some OSM love. :) How can I help? I can spare a few hours of JOSM editing. On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 4:54 AM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote: Map Kibera [http://mapkibera.org/] collected data has been imported into OpenStreetMap. If you're interested to help integrate and clean up the data, please get in touch with me directly. More info... http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Nairobi#Map_Kibera_Import http://brainoff.com/weblog/2010/01/12/1513 Thanks Mikel == Mikel Maron == http://mapkibera.org/ +254 (0) 724899738 mi...@osmfoundation.org ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] planned new imagery for Eastern Bulacan area for mapwarper and openstreetmap
Another option is to crowdsource the rectification using mapwarper: http://warper.geothings.net/ But this becomes a chicken and egg problem, some OSM roads along Bulacan area may not be a reliable ground control points. I will slice the whole image into slices with small overlaps. On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 11:44 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: tim, We have acquired new imagery for tracing roads in Openstreetmap. It is a single SPOT image of approximately 3 GB. Can mapwarper rectify such a large image? Any ideas on how we can rectify them? -- Forwarded message -- From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Date: Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 8:07 PM Subject: planned new imagery for Eastern Bulacan area To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Hi, As promised, we have a possible new imagery to add in Eastern Bulacan Area. Approximate image resolution is 10 meters. Not as good as what is in Pangasinan, but better than LANDSAT and this is more recent (20080312). The sample image is here: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4052/4253859520_0ffd4613e5_o.png Some issues: 1. The image is a a bit dark. So I manipulated image (histogram stretch in remote sensing parlance) to look better. http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4013/4253860134_116b380aa8_o.png 2. The default georectification is shifted, (sat image with OSM road overlay) http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4033/4253859690_fe364081c5_o.png Ergo, we need to collect accurate GPS point (ground control point aging in RS parlance) to correct them. Anyone willing to give me a hitch around Bulacan area to collect GPS points (I can't bike that far)? 3. The eastern most portion is almost covered by clouds so we may have to crop the image to conserve space. 4. The image is veeery big (3 GB)! I am having problems with RAM and disk space. This may take a while for me to process. @ rally, the Towerville site is visible in the map. You may use them as mapping reference. Any help is appreciated. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Google Maps are generally surprisingly inaccurate
:) Like your post, will respond to some of them later. For now, I would like to report that I am rectifying some imagery along Eastern Bulacan. This will greatly expand our mapping beyond these areas. On Fri, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:06 PM, riber101-...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi fellow OSM mappers! As a newbie you might wonder why to invest your effort in OSM rather than Google Maps that seems to be present everywhere. Well, Google currently have better general coverage than OSM here in the Philippines. Try to compare Laoag City http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/index.html?mt0=googlemapmt1=mapniklon=120.59lat=18.19z=14 and you will see how far Google is ahead. So why use OSM? Because: OSM maps are in general more accurate than Google Maps OSM will eventually be much more detailed than Google for all of the Philippines The maps are free for everybody to use - now and in the future OSM is snowballing and right now is gaining momentum that will ensure it will see more and more public and official use You are not helping Google increase their income from adds I have just finished adding road names to Bay Breeze in Taguig and adjusted the traces of the roads to fit a trace I did. Basically I have been there on my bike, up and down every road and taken geocoded photos of every street sign. I KNOW the area by now. When I did a compare with Google after finishing the job I found that Google had missed 30% of the roads in the area. I recently had a similar experience when mapping Valley View where Google had roads not connected, missing, and roads where no roads where. Personally I like the rendering in Google and their availability in software, on the internet and on phones. But I had a wake up call cause the mapping done by Google mappers is almost solely based on satellite images by people WITHOUT local knowledge. I tried to sign up for Google Mapmaker to make a few corrections to my neighbourhood. Now more than a week after I'm still not able to make the desired changes because of Google's moderator system. People from India, with absolutely NO local knowledge, moderate my changes and comment that they don't correspond to the satellite image! Google's mapmaker is a nightmare. If you add a GPS trace it's impossible to draw a road on top. The moderator system makes it very hard to make adjustments that are not supported by the satellite images. So basically Google Mapmaker is nothing more than getting people to convert their satellite images to maps for free. So in general, those areas of the world where Google Mapmaker is available APPEARS to have good map coverage, but the QUALITY is abysmal. By making it so hard to make changes to Google Map Google are shooting themselves in the foot. Their maps will remain LOW QUALITY. However one thing Google does well is making it very easy to enter POI and standardise on the information that can be stored for their maps. Anyway, if OSM publicly get know for lower coverage, but accurate mapping, then more and more people will begin using OSM and assist in maintaining the OSM map. Happy mapping Sehested ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Fwd: osm-ph garmin gps pre-release 20100116
osm-ph garmin gps pre-release 20100116 hi, The pre-release OSM-PH Garmin Map is now available. As a volunteer pre-release tester, you are encouraged to download and test the map. Before you download, please remove and create a backup of previous OSM-PH map. Improvements so far: - a new style file -- new color for different road types -- little arrow sign for oneway roads - more data and POIs - fixed submerged islands Please try to evaluate both versions and report back problems. You need to remove all other versions to install either of the map. The data is as of 20100116 compiled using mkgmap ver. 1455. 46,000 ++ kilometers of roads from 400 ++ contributors To get the files, go to: https://free2.projectlocker.com/maning/osm_ph_garmin_map/trac/ You need to login first, use this generic account. username: osmphgps AT gmail DOT com password: osmphgps Download the maps at: https://free2.projectlocker.com/maning/osm_ph_garmin_map/trac/browser/pre-release/20100116 MapSource installer https://free2.projectlocker.com/maning/osm_ph_garmin_map/trac/browser/pre-release/20100116/osmph_winmapsource_20100116.exe/osmph_winmapsource_20100116.exe The draft test guidelines are here: https://free2.projectlocker.com/maning/osm_ph_garmin_map/trac/wiki/TestGuidelines Please report any problems in the trac/svn site. Make sure you specify which version was used when you report problems. The regular release improvements will be based on your review and comments. Enjoy! maning -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Haiti
Sad indeed, you can do your part by mapping Haiti in OSM. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Haiti The OSM Haiti response is providing the most frequently updated data of Haiti in several formats which relief workers can use (GIS data, garmin maps, paper maps, etc.) The geospatial community have once again stepped-up to the challenge of providing critical information to the ground responders (I saw this happen in the Katrina crisis). And this time, the OSM community is helping more than ever. On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: A terribly sad event, but the split before|after viewer was interesting from a mapping perspective http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2010/01/14/world/20100114-haiti-imagery.html Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 920 912 5830 Hong Kong: +852 6840 6693 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] page documenting areas in the Philippines with available high resolution imagery
Hi, I started creating a page for showing which areas in the Philippines have high resolution imagery: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/hires_imagery Please improve the page layout and contents. The page is for newbies. It would be good if we can add more info such as: - age of the imagery - accuracy - how to load them in various editors - how to fix offset - source tags -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] new imagery available in Bulacan, Pampanga and Nueva Ecija area (SPOT5)
source=spot5 I updated the wiki. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:36 AM, anthony.bal...@neraphil.com.ph wrote: Hi Maning, Just wondrin what are we going to use as source- name. From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: 01/21/2010 11:15 AM Subject: [talk-ph] new imagery available in Bulacan, Pampanga and Nueva Ecija area (SPOT5) This came from the SPOT5 donated by Spot-Asia and Certeza Infosys last year. Pixel resolution is around 10 meters date taken 2008-03-12. Instructions on how to use in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/hires_imagery#Portions_of_Bulacan.2C_Pampanga_and_Nueva_Ecija And my blog post here: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/eastern-bulacan-pampanga-and-nueva-ecija-imagery-update-in-openstreetmap/ Enjoy! -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] new imagery available in Bulacan, Pampanga and Nueva Ecija area (SPOT5)
Even though the spot5 is of lower resolution than Yahoo! I discovered some places where it has better data because it's newer than Yahoo's image. http://osm.org/go/4zhdlNxs Yahoo! data: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4032/4292683864_83266fc3a4_o.jpg Spot5 data: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2719/4292684150_157054042f_o.jpg :) keep on mapping! On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:38 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: source=spot5 I updated the wiki. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:36 AM, anthony.bal...@neraphil.com.ph wrote: Hi Maning, Just wondrin what are we going to use as source- name. From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: 01/21/2010 11:15 AM Subject: [talk-ph] new imagery available in Bulacan, Pampanga and Nueva Ecija area (SPOT5) This came from the SPOT5 donated by Spot-Asia and Certeza Infosys last year. Pixel resolution is around 10 meters date taken 2008-03-12. Instructions on how to use in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/hires_imagery#Portions_of_Bulacan.2C_Pampanga_and_Nueva_Ecija And my blog post here: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/eastern-bulacan-pampanga-and-nueva-ecija-imagery-update-in-openstreetmap/ Enjoy! -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] new imagery available in Bulacan, Pampanga and Nueva Ecija area (SPOT5)
Thanks to all those editing: http://www.openstreetmap.org/history?bbox=120.732%2C14.763%2C121.29%2C15.295 Next step is to look for local mappers to maintain and update that patch. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 3:29 PM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: Even though the spot5 is of lower resolution than Yahoo! I discovered some places where it has better data because it's newer than Yahoo's image. http://osm.org/go/4zhdlNxs Yahoo! data: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4032/4292683864_83266fc3a4_o.jpg Spot5 data: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2719/4292684150_157054042f_o.jpg :) keep on mapping! On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:38 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: source=spot5 I updated the wiki. On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:36 AM, anthony.bal...@neraphil.com.ph wrote: Hi Maning, Just wondrin what are we going to use as source- name. From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: 01/21/2010 11:15 AM Subject: [talk-ph] new imagery available in Bulacan, Pampanga and Nueva Ecija area (SPOT5) This came from the SPOT5 donated by Spot-Asia and Certeza Infosys last year. Pixel resolution is around 10 meters date taken 2008-03-12. Instructions on how to use in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/hires_imagery#Portions_of_Bulacan.2C_Pampanga_and_Nueva_Ecija And my blog post here: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/2010/01/21/eastern-bulacan-pampanga-and-nueva-ecija-imagery-update-in-openstreetmap/ Enjoy! -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] changes of raod types
Hi, With the advent of more sat images outside Metro Manila I would like to re-visit this discussion regarding road classes in rural areas. As Eugene discussed below, rural roads are different. I think we should use the track and tracktype tags for most rural roads. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tracktype As for highway=unclassified, I don't see this of much use in the Philippines. Unclassified is a legal UK road type and not some road we don't know the proper class. Unclassified No administrative classification. Unclassified roads typically form the lowest form of the interconnecting grid network. Note: This is not a marker for roads where we still need to choose a highway tag (see highway=road for roads that require classification). For people tracing from sat images but are unsure of the actual road type please use highway=road For comments. cheers, maning On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest that the tags for highway=trunk,primary,secondary,tertiary,unclassified be considered as a function of traffic patterns and not of DOTC designation nor physical appearance or condition. These values should also be considered relative to local traffic patterns. This means that levels will be different in an urban and rural setting: a trunk in Metro Manila does not have to be equivalent in function to a trunk in Nueva Vizcaya. Here are some descriptive interpretations I might suggest (subject to discussion): trunk (rural) : long-distance route to traverse across provinces primary (rural) : mid-distance route to travel between towns in a province secondary (rural) : major streets within rural towns tertiary (rural) : major streets within areas of rural towns unclassified,residential (rural) : other roads in rural towns trunk (urban) : long-distance route across the metropolis primary (urban) : major road within a metropolitan city secondary (urban) : mid-level road within a metropolitan city tertiary (urban) : minor road in a metropolitan city unclassified,residential (urban) : other roads in metropolitan cities I'll admit that I have no fixed idea as to how to tag roads such that relative functional importance within Metro Manila (Cebu, Davao) is consistent when you get outside Metro Manila (Cebu, Davao). The problem is that in urban areas, the road density is so high such that we need to differentiate the roads a lot, whereas in rural areas, the density is low. For Metro Manila, EDSA and *parts* of C-5 are definitely trunk. Commonwealth, Quirino (QC) and McArthur Highway are arguably trunk. Quezon Avenue-Espana, Aurora-Marcos Highway, Ortigas-Ortigas Ext., Quirino (Manila), and Roxas Blvd are not so clear. What do you guys think? On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:22 AM, anthony.bal...@neraphil.com.ph wrote: Pardon my ignorance, but how do you classify road types? In the case of Mindanao Ave compared to Quirino Highway, apparently the former is a wider road so i reclassified the. Anthony From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com To: talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: 08/03/2009 10:06 AM Subject: [talk-ph] changes of raod types I'm not objecting but I'm somehow curious about recent reclassifications of several major roads lately: 1. Portions of Commonwealth from trunk to primary: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.66209lon=121.06976zoom=15layers=B000FTF 2. Mindanao Ave from primary to trunk: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.67085lon=121.03234zoom=15layers=B000FTF 3. Some parts of Quirino are either primary or trunk: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.69974lon=121.03273zoom=15layers=B000FTF 4. MacArthur Hiway from primary to trunk: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.6755lon=120.982zoom=15layers=B000FTF If we follow this trend, then I think Roxas Blvd should also be trunk as well: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=14.53551lon=121.00028zoom=15layers=B000FTF Which means Metro Manila roads will be a whole lot greener (in the map at least). PS. Apologies for non-manila members -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- http://vaes9.codedgraphic.com -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http
Re: [talk-ph] changes of road types
I feel we should simplify it (although not too much), not everything here is applicable: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway Another example, I don't feel like using the tag living_street. Here's the highway length stats to give us a general idea what highway tags are currently in use: primary 13237678m residential 12304569m secondary 5340661m road 3958559m tertiary 3578034m unclassified 3040564m trunk 2262544m service 856653m track 803020m motorway558710m footway 220230m path179135m motorway_link71836m trunk_link 37981m primary_link 32565m cycleway 27131m construction 25302m pedestrian 14174m steps 3520m secondary_link2660m raceway 1542m living_street 1473m proposed 526m ford 277m old road 124m Alley 101m On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 8:22 PM, ianlopez ian_lopez_1...@yahoo.com wrote: Maybe we should describe unclassified roads in the Philippine context as roads within verified and/or urban areas that are of mixed use (commercial, retail, industrial, residential, farmland), while the residential roads can be described as a road in either urban or rural areas that are within areas that are classified as mostly residential. The road tag can be used for roads that have no actual road types, as proposed/planned. Tony Montana: Me, I want what's coming to me. Manny Ribera: Oh, well what's coming to you? Tony Montana: The world, chico, and everything in it. - http://ianlopez1115.wordpress.com/ --- On Fri, 1/22/10, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [talk-ph] changes of raod types To: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Date: Friday, January 22, 2010, 7:49 PM Hi, With the advent of more sat images outside Metro Manila I would like to re-visit this discussion regarding road classes in rural areas. As Eugene discussed below, rural roads are different. I think we should use the track and tracktype tags for most rural roads. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tracktype As for highway=unclassified, I don't see this of much use in the Philippines. Unclassified is a legal UK road type and not some road we don't know the proper class. Unclassified No administrative classification. Unclassified roads typically form the lowest form of the interconnecting grid network. Note: This is not a marker for roads where we still need to choose a highway tag (see highway=road for roads that require classification). For people tracing from sat images but are unsure of the actual road type please use highway=road For comments. cheers, maning On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: I suggest that the tags for highway=trunk,primary,secondary,tertiary,unclassified be considered as a function of traffic patterns and not of DOTC designation nor physical appearance or condition. These values should also be considered relative to local traffic patterns. This means that levels will be different in an urban and rural setting: a trunk in Metro Manila does not have to be equivalent in function to a trunk in Nueva Vizcaya. Here are some descriptive interpretations I might suggest (subject to discussion): trunk (rural) : long-distance route to traverse across provinces primary (rural) : mid-distance route to travel between towns in a province secondary (rural) : major streets within rural towns tertiary (rural) : major streets within areas of rural towns unclassified,residential (rural) : other roads in rural towns trunk (urban) : long-distance route across the metropolis primary (urban) : major road within a metropolitan city secondary (urban) : mid-level road within a metropolitan city tertiary (urban) : minor road in a metropolitan city unclassified,residential (urban) : other roads in metropolitan cities I'll admit that I have no fixed idea as to how to tag roads such that relative functional importance within Metro Manila (Cebu, Davao) is consistent when you get outside Metro Manila (Cebu, Davao). The problem is that in urban areas, the road density is so high such that we need to differentiate the roads a lot, whereas in rural areas, the density is low. For Metro Manila, EDSA and *parts* of C-5 are definitely trunk. Commonwealth, Quirino (QC) and McArthur Highway are arguably trunk. Quezon Avenue-Espana, Aurora-Marcos Highway, Ortigas-Ortigas Ext., Quirino (Manila), and Roxas Blvd are not so clear. What do you guys think? On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:22 AM, anthony.bal...@neraphil.com.ph wrote: Pardon my
Re: [talk-ph] changes of road types
Let me just remind that whatever comes up as a consensus please add them in the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Mapping_conventions Excellent discussion btw. On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 6:41 AM, Ray rayosm1...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, Reviewing the map reveals that many places roads seems to have too high of a classification, misleading people to use roads that are not meant for a lot of traffic. From an overall perspective the classification of roads should be used to guide people which roads to prefer. +1 I'm also in favor of tagging the roads after their properties and how good you can travel on them. Eugine explained it very well. When i can recognize a better type on the images than road i'll change it for nearly the same reasons Ian pointed out. For residential vs. unclassified: a road (or part of) which doesn't have [a couple of] houses is IMHO unclassified. Maybe you can describe residential as an special form of unclassified (i.g. not tertiary). There are houses around so expect slow driving cos of parking cars and people walking around. When someone traces a new road from images and don't know what kind of road it is he should follow the legal classification. Later someone with local knowledge can retag the road / split it up. On the satellite images you can also see how much houses are around, so residential should be easy. Assuming that all motorway, trunk, primary, secondary and tertiary roads have been mapped long ago, newbies should only be concerned with the lower classes of roads. I suggest the out come of this discussion will be a series of photos of typical roads and how to tag them. I have started a document already for this purpose so this discussion is very welcome :-) http://idisk.mac.com/michael.riber//Public/osmph/Road Types 0.0.doc A guide with pictures is a great idea. Looking at the list, i would use footway for roads / tracks to narrow for cars. Or highway=path and foot / bicycle = yes if this matters. Pedestrian is For town centres and civic areas, where wide expanses of hard surface are provided for pedestrians to walk (often between shops). (Wiki) As maning said, we need to get more use of track and tracktype. Can you include this in your document? I suggest also that we make use of surface and lane keys. surface=paved/unpaved/compacted will be important for rural roads and navigation. Ray ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] OSM-PH featured image
In case you didn't noticed, Seav is adding a featured image in the main OSM-PH page. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines I guess this is one of his planned wiki re-organization activities. If anyone is willing to help make our PH pages friendly to newbies, please post any suggestions, or do it yourself. -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Fwd: SOTM 2010 scholarship?
I raised this concern to the main talk. Is there a possibility for us to represent OSm Philippines in the next State of the Map 2010? Or possibly raise some funds to support a PH representative? -- Forwarded message -- From: maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com Date: Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 1:24 PM Subject: SOTM 2010 scholarship? To: osm-talk t...@openstreetmap.org Are there plans on doing a similar fundraising for the SOTM 2010 scholarship? -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] looking for short-term contract and technical support for FOSS GIS
Hi, Apologies for cross-posting. I am hoping to get a local contact (based in the Philippines). We are looking for geo-geeks to assist and provide technical support in deploying FOSS-based GIS server implementation. Software stack Dbase - PostGIS and MS-SQL Frontend - openlayers, qgis, udig and ArcGIS GIS server - Geoserver Previous experience in deployment of similar software stack is necessary. Interested applicants/consultants, please send me your resume and portfolio. cheers, maning -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] City Database
Glad someone will take on the challenge! For a brief history, all cities/towns were initially imported from the GNS data 2 years ago. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Data_import The location is not very accurate. What is needed is to locate the node ideally on the municipal hall or within the city center or poblacion. You can easily do this even with landsat overlay. I believe user:axk did this for some islands in Visayas. We use the place tag to denote location: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:place We adopted the following practice for PH: place=city for cities place=town for towns/municipalities place=village ANDplace:ph=barangay for barangay place=hamlet for villages and subdivisions Please search the talk-ph list archives for similar discussions as well. There's also a rule for mapping admin boundaries: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Mapping_conventions#Administrative_boundaries This will hopefully improve location search, however, the current admin boundaries are incomplete even at the city/municipality level. As for adding city/municipality for each POI we use the Karlsruhe Schema: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Address Please also note that we have a lot address problems in the country. See this address variations: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Philippines/Philippine_addressing#Addressing_variations Hope that helps. Good luck! Good luck! On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 11:14 AM, Jing Iya jing_...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, Since you are discussing how to improve the road tagging in OSM Phil., Id like to ask too, how can we improve the City/Municipality database specially the one we are using in Garmin GPS. If you will notice, the city or municipality database is quite confusing and should I say dirty. I am willing to give my time and help clean this up if I would be given the chance to learn how to group the roads and POIs into the correct City or Municipality. Regards, Jing Get your new Email address! Grab the Email name you've always wanted before someone else does! ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] changes of raod types
If we elevate some of the dirt tracks to the level of tertiary, for example, then they will actually show up on the zoomed out map. You can always do highway=tertiary tracktype=grade1 - By far the most important thing is to get the roads on the map. So if you're hesitating whether to put the road in or not, because you don't know how to tag it ... put it in and tag it wrong! It can always be fixed later. +1 - If anything I think we should be moving towards reducing the number of road classifications rather than split hairs about whether a path is a hiking track, or whether a primary road is a primary_link or not. The more gradations we have, the harder it is to pick the right one. +1 -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
