Re: [tor-talk] Aurora only build
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 16:13:41 -0700 AK wrote: > Actually, the Tor Browser bundle is built from Firefox Portable > binaries. It's built from source. -- Andrew http://tpo.is/contact pgp 0x74ED336B ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Aurora only build
On 2012-01-27, AK wrote: > Actually, the Tor Browser bundle is built from Firefox Portable binaries. > > From README.dev: >> Using build-scripts/Makefile it is possible to create a working USB >> Tor bundle. It's limitations include: >> - It uses the FirefoxPortable binaries README.dev has not been updated since it was split out of the README file in April 2009. That statement is no longer true. Robert Ransom ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Aurora only build
Actually, the Tor Browser bundle is built from Firefox Portable binaries. >From README.dev: > Using build-scripts/Makefile it is possible to create a working USB > Tor bundle. It's limitations include: > - It uses the FirefoxPortable binaries However, they do say you can build a custom version of Firefox from source and I guess you can use a similar build procedure to apply those patches in src/current-patches to the firefox c++ files. It's still pretty unclear, but I am testing it out, and I'll let you know how it turns out. On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Andrew Lewman wrote: > On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:16:05 -0700 > AK wrote: > > > So are you telling me that standard Firefox depends on closed source > > binaries as well? I don't care about how free the license is. I'm > > talking about whether it can be built completely from source code. > > I suggest starting with the source, > https://gitweb.torproject.org/torbrowser.git. We build tor browser > bundle from source code, so can you. In fact, we encourage people to > build their own. > > -- > Andrew > http://tpo.is/contact > pgp 0x74ED336B > ___ > tor-talk mailing list > tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Aurora only build
On Fri, 27 Jan 2012 13:16:05 -0700 AK wrote: > So are you telling me that standard Firefox depends on closed source > binaries as well? I don't care about how free the license is. I'm > talking about whether it can be built completely from source code. I suggest starting with the source, https://gitweb.torproject.org/torbrowser.git. We build tor browser bundle from source code, so can you. In fact, we encourage people to build their own. -- Andrew http://tpo.is/contact pgp 0x74ED336B ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Aurora only build
So are you telling me that standard Firefox depends on closed source binaries as well? I don't care about how free the license is. I'm talking about whether it can be built completely from source code. On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Koh Choon Lin <2choon...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi > > On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 1:04 AM, AK wrote: > > As far as I know, Aurora is based on something called "Firefox Portable". > > Last time I checked, this thing isn't even open source. Can someone > clarify > > this? Or should I open a new thread? > > Aurora is a brand-less version of Firefox. It is considered to be more > free than the Firefox binaries from Mozilla and is tri-licensed too. > Portable app is a method of modifying a product (Firefox) into one > which does not leave any trace on the running PC. > > > > -- > Regards > Koh Choon Lin > ___ > tor-talk mailing list > tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Aurora only build
Hi On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 1:04 AM, AK wrote: > As far as I know, Aurora is based on something called "Firefox Portable". > Last time I checked, this thing isn't even open source. Can someone clarify > this? Or should I open a new thread? Aurora is a brand-less version of Firefox. It is considered to be more free than the Firefox binaries from Mozilla and is tri-licensed too. Portable app is a method of modifying a product (Firefox) into one which does not leave any trace on the running PC. -- Regards Koh Choon Lin ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Aurora only build
As far as I know, Aurora is based on something called "Firefox Portable". Last time I checked, this thing isn't even open source. Can someone clarify this? Or should I open a new thread? On Fri, Jan 27, 2012 at 8:47 AM, Geoff Down wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 27, 2012, at 09:50 AM, Marco Bonetti wrote: > > - Original Message - > > > though perhaps it would not provide as strong anonymity as Aurora - > any views? > > Errr... I think you missed a point ;-) > > Aurora IS Firefox or, at least, it's the release name. > > When building custom version of Mozilla products from source you can't > > use the same name as the official packages. That's the TL;DR of the > > Mozilla Public Policy. > > TBB is a custom version of Mozilla Firefox built by the Tor Project and > > shipped together with Vidalia and some other programs and libraries. > > So, if you want to have something which looks like TBB on a PowerPC Mac, > > install Vidalia, grab a copy of TenFourFox and install required > > extensions. > > > > Beware this is not enough! > > > > TBB has been built to address a specific threat model and Firefox has > > been patched and configured accordingly to that model so I'm the first to > > warn you that "just run Firefox with required extensions" is close enough > > but not the same thing. > > > No, that was my point - TenFourFox does not have the patches that the > TBB Firefox has, so even with the same extensions it will not be as > secure. > GD > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. > > ___ > tor-talk mailing list > tor-talk@lists.torproject.org > https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk > ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Aurora only build
On Fri, Jan 27, 2012, at 09:50 AM, Marco Bonetti wrote: > - Original Message - > > though perhaps it would not provide as strong anonymity as Aurora - any > > views? > Errr... I think you missed a point ;-) > Aurora IS Firefox or, at least, it's the release name. > When building custom version of Mozilla products from source you can't > use the same name as the official packages. That's the TL;DR of the > Mozilla Public Policy. > TBB is a custom version of Mozilla Firefox built by the Tor Project and > shipped together with Vidalia and some other programs and libraries. > So, if you want to have something which looks like TBB on a PowerPC Mac, > install Vidalia, grab a copy of TenFourFox and install required > extensions. > > Beware this is not enough! > > TBB has been built to address a specific threat model and Firefox has > been patched and configured accordingly to that model so I'm the first to > warn you that "just run Firefox with required extensions" is close enough > but not the same thing. > No, that was my point - TenFourFox does not have the patches that the TBB Firefox has, so even with the same extensions it will not be as secure. GD -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A fast, anti-spam email service. ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Aurora only build
- Original Message - > though perhaps it would not provide as strong anonymity as Aurora - any > views? Errr... I think you missed a point ;-) Aurora IS Firefox or, at least, it's the release name. When building custom version of Mozilla products from source you can't use the same name as the official packages. That's the TL;DR of the Mozilla Public Policy. TBB is a custom version of Mozilla Firefox built by the Tor Project and shipped together with Vidalia and some other programs and libraries. So, if you want to have something which looks like TBB on a PowerPC Mac, install Vidalia, grab a copy of TenFourFox and install required extensions. Beware this is not enough! TBB has been built to address a specific threat model and Firefox has been patched and configured accordingly to that model so I'm the first to warn you that "just run Firefox with required extensions" is close enough but not the same thing. Ciao! -- Marco Bonetti Tor research and other stuff: http://sid77.slackware.it/ Slackintosh Linux Project Developer: http://workaround.ch/ Linux-live for powerpc: http://workaround.ch/pub/rsync/mb/linux-live/ My GnuPG key id: 0x0B60BC5F ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Aurora only build
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012, at 03:54 PM, Marco Bonetti wrote: > - Original Message - > > TBB isn't available for OSX PPC, so I'd have to build it - a mammoth > > task, but since I already have the latest Tor running and a working > > Vidalia, building Aurora would be a sensible step if possible, to > > get away from my outdated browser. > Mozilla moved away from the PPC platform around version 5.x and the code > base has grown incompatible since then. You should take a look at > http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/ if you need something which > looks like recent Firefox versions without all the hassle of building it > up yourself. > Hi Marco, that's certainly a worthwhile project, and it even supports addons so I imagine Torbutton would install, though perhaps it would not provide as strong anonymity as Aurora - any views? GD -- http://www.fastmail.fm - The way an email service should be ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Aurora only build
- Original Message - > TBB isn't available for OSX PPC, so I'd have to build it - a mammoth > task, but since I already have the latest Tor running and a working > Vidalia, building Aurora would be a sensible step if possible, to > get away from my outdated browser. Mozilla moved away from the PPC platform around version 5.x and the code base has grown incompatible since then. You should take a look at http://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/ if you need something which looks like recent Firefox versions without all the hassle of building it up yourself. HTH, Marco -- Marco Bonetti Tor research and other stuff: http://sid77.slackware.it/ Slackintosh Linux Project Developer: http://workaround.ch/ Linux-live for powerpc: http://workaround.ch/pub/rsync/mb/linux-live/ My GnuPG key id: 0x0B60BC5F ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Aurora only build
On Thu, Jan 26, 2012, at 12:26 PM, cgp 3cg wrote: > > Hi list, > > is it possible to build just the Aurora/Torbutton part of > > TorBrowserBundle? > > If so, is it likely to be remotely possible on OSX 10.4? > > Not sure about OSX, but under Linux you can edit the > 'start-tor-browser' script and change the line: > > ./App/vidalia --datadir Data/Vidalia/ > > to be: > > ./App/Firefox/firefox -profile ./Data/profile > > This just starts Aurora. Obviously you will need a running Tor > instance for it to connect to. > > -C TBB isn't available for OSX PPC, so I'd have to build it - a mammoth task, but since I already have the latest Tor running and a working Vidalia, building Aurora would be a sensible step if possible, to get away from my outdated browser. GD -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Access your email from home and the web ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
Re: [tor-talk] Aurora only build
> Hi list, > is it possible to build just the Aurora/Torbutton part of > TorBrowserBundle? > If so, is it likely to be remotely possible on OSX 10.4? Not sure about OSX, but under Linux you can edit the 'start-tor-browser' script and change the line: ./App/vidalia --datadir Data/Vidalia/ to be: ./App/Firefox/firefox -profile ./Data/profile This just starts Aurora. Obviously you will need a running Tor instance for it to connect to. -C ___ tor-talk mailing list tor-talk@lists.torproject.org https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk
