Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-15 Thread Markus Hitter

Am 16.05.2008 um 03:05 schrieb Evan:
> I don't know where the filename check is supposed to happen, but it  
> isn't
> happening anywhere. I've tried via the cli, and via nautilus, and  
> neither of
> them prevent me from using Windows-illegal characters.

... because they are perfectly legal on the OS you're currently running.

By what you describe, I'm not sure wether Ubuntu is to blame here.  
IMHO, the best one could do is to introduce some Windows- 
compatibility mode. Prohibiting feature X here because it's forbidden  
there isn't a good idea.


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Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Fri, 16 May 2008 06:53:35 +0200 Mario Vukelic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>þÿOn Fri, 2008-05-16 at 00:50 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> Doesn't wubi install Ubuntu into an existing Windows partition?
>
>Exactly. And then Ubuntu will happily let you create files that you
>can't read in Windows. It's weird.
>
It just ocurred to me that when you email files, odds are the receiver is using 
Windows.  Perhaps all the mail clients should be patched with similar warnings? 
 That's probably a lot more common than copying from one partition to another.

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Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-15 Thread Mario Vukelic
On Fri, 2008-05-16 at 00:50 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> Doesn't wubi install Ubuntu into an existing Windows partition?

Exactly. And then Ubuntu will happily let you create files that you
can't read in Windows. It's weird.


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Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Fri, 16 May 2008 06:36:54 +0200 Mario Vukelic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>þÿOn Thu, 2008-05-15 at 21:14 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
>> but there is nothing inherently defective with the 
>> current behavior.
>
>I'd agree for any other fs, but the only reason you would use an ntfs
>partition is because you want to read this in windows. Thus it makes
>little sense to allow creating filenames that prevent it.
>

Or the system previously had Windows on it.  Doesn't wubi install Ubuntu into 
an existing Windows partition?

I don't think it's good design to make assumptions about O/S based on file 
systems.  I think it makes little sense to expend effort to add such hand 
holding 'features'.  If someone does add something (while I don't see the 
value, who am I to tell you not to volunteer if you do), all I ask is that it 
not be inflicted on users by default.

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Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-15 Thread Mario Vukelic
On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 21:14 -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> but there is nothing inherently defective with the 
> current behavior.

I'd agree for any other fs, but the only reason you would use an ntfs
partition is because you want to read this in windows. Thus it makes
little sense to allow creating filenames that prevent it.


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Re: libraries cyclic dependency

2008-05-15 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 00:06 +0100, Pedro Brito Cruz wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> i'm working on dapper distro and need to install libqt3-mt-dev which
> depends on a whole big list of other libraries.
> 
> when trying to install some of these libraries I got to a cyclic
> dependency which i don't know how to deal with.

If you're doing these manually, not from apt, just do "sudo dpkg -i
*.deb"

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Re: Bug madness: High frequency of load/unload cycles

2008-05-15 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Wed, 2008-05-14 at 10:11 +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> ke, 2008-05-14 kello 02:11 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan kirjoitti:
> > Could a list of vendors who make crappy hard drives (ie ones with this
> > issue) be made so we all can avoid them?  I can say my Western Digitals
> > don't have the issue, though they do have a tendency to die anyway (bad
> > sectors and dead circuitry, no clicking or oddly high disk i/o).
> 
> Don't all vendors occasionally make bad hardware? I know that I've had
> bad disks from IBM/Hitachi, Seagate, WD, and Maxtor, at least. (Not all
> of them laptop disks, though.)

I've had 2 Western Digital bricks since Nov and 2 Western Digital
bad-enough-to-corrupt-things-and-crash-the-system drives since January.
One of the bricks was a year old, the other 6 months old.  One
misbehaving drive is 1.5 years old.  The other was misbehaving from day
1.

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Re: Ubuntu boot speed fall in Hardy

2008-05-15 Thread Mackenzie Morgan
On Thu, 2008-05-15 at 19:21 +0100, (``-_-´´) -- Fernando wrote:
> Olá Mackenzie e a todos.
> 
> On Wednesday 14 May 2008 05:14:51 Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> > The results of using Bootchart to map the GNOME startup process, for the 
> > many users that did it, consistently showed gnome-panel as the culprit.
> 
> How does one use bootchart to map GNOME? mine ends on X11.

Get rid of the kill statement for it in your init scripts.  I think
someone made a modified version that showed system calls.

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Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thursday 15 May 2008 21:31, Evan wrote:
> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> wrote:
> > I'd say that if there's a bug it's in Windows.  I could see a wishlist
> > bug against Ubuntu to provide a way to check for this/suggest changes to
> > avoid problematic filenames, but there is nothing inherently defective
> > with the current behavior.
> >
> > Scott K
>
> I agree that there is no inherent problem with the Ubuntu code, and it
> should really be up to Windows to support more characters. However I can
> think of several situations where this could cause considerable problems
> for the end user. We should at the very least provide a warning that
> "Naming a file on this partition with any of the following characters will
> prevent Windows from opening it. Are you sure you want to continue?"
>
> Evan

Personally I'm against such hand holding.  If any such feature is provided, I 
think it should be off by default.  

I happen to have some legacy FAT32 and NTFS partitions for various reasons, 
but the odds that they will ever be read from Windows are very low.  I don't 
think Ubuntu's design should be predicated on the idea that it's an adjunct 
to using Windows.  

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Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-15 Thread Evan
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 9:14 PM, Scott Kitterman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I'd say that if there's a bug it's in Windows.  I could see a wishlist bug
> against Ubuntu to provide a way to check for this/suggest changes to avoid
> problematic filenames, but there is nothing inherently defective with the
> current behavior.
>
> Scott K
>

I agree that there is no inherent problem with the Ubuntu code, and it
should really be up to Windows to support more characters. However I can
think of several situations where this could cause considerable problems for
the end user. We should at the very least provide a warning that "Naming a
file on this partition with any of the following characters will prevent
Windows from opening it. Are you sure you want to continue?"

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Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-15 Thread Scott Kitterman
On Thu, 15 May 2008 20:29:44 -0400 Evan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Which package would this be filed against?
>
I'd say that if there's a bug it's in Windows.  I could see a wishlist bug 
against Ubuntu to provide a way to check for this/suggest changes to avoid 
problematic filenames, but there is nothing inherently defective with the 
current behavior. 

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Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-15 Thread Evan
A quick google and search of launchpad reveals no similar reports.

I don't know where the filename check is supposed to happen, but it isn't
happening anywhere. I've tried via the cli, and via nautilus, and neither of
them prevent me from using Windows-illegal characters.

Which package handles the check when you try and use a / on an ext3
partition?

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:52 PM, Onno Benschop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 16/05/08 08:29, Evan wrote:
> > Which package would this be filed against?
>
> Well, that depends on how you are producing this particular issue. For
> example, if you are mounting the partition yourself, then for example,
> /sbin/mount.ntfs comes from ntfs-3g, but if you're seeing this in
> Nautilus with a gnome mount, then it might be libntfs-gnomevfs which in
> turn comes from linux-ntfs.
>
> I'd also make sure that you are in fact the first person to notice this.
>
>
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Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-15 Thread Onno Benschop
On 16/05/08 08:29, Evan wrote:
> Which package would this be filed against?

Well, that depends on how you are producing this particular issue. For
example, if you are mounting the partition yourself, then for example,
/sbin/mount.ntfs comes from ntfs-3g, but if you're seeing this in
Nautilus with a gnome mount, then it might be libntfs-gnomevfs which in
turn comes from linux-ntfs.

I'd also make sure that you are in fact the first person to notice this.


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Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-15 Thread Evan
I've been testing it on an external drive.

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/230906

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:36 PM, xt knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> You can file a bug without a particular package.  This does seem like
> it could be dangerous, if one of the characters used was reserved for
> NTFS's internal use.
>
> I would test this in a VM.
>
> On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Evan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Which package would this be filed against?
> >
> > On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Onno Benschop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 16/05/08 07:44, Evan wrote:
> >> > After trying to transfer some files from Ubuntu to Windows today, I
> >> > discovered a very dangerous problem. I'm not sure if it qualifies as a
> >> > bug, so I haven't yet reported it, but it could be considered one.
> >> >
> >> > Currently, the only characters that Ubuntu does not support in
> >> > filenames and paths are slashes, while Windows has a considerable list
> >> > (apostrophes, asterisks, etc).
> >> >
> >> > Creating a file on a Windows drive (NTFS or FAT) in Ubuntu and naming
> >> > it with one of these characters causes Windows to be unable to read
> >> > the file and anything beneath it in the directory structure. This is
> >> > extremely dangerous:
> >> >
> >> > - renaming files or folders near C:\ on your Windows partition could
> >> > render it unable to boot
> >> > - naming a business document on a flash drive could prevent you from
> >> > opening it that important meeting
> >> >
> >> > Ubuntu needs to automatically strip these characters (or prompt for a
> >> > rename) when creating/moving/renaming files on NTFS and FAT drives. If
> >> > this gets discovered and released as "Ubuntu causes data corruption on
> >> > Windows drives" it could be a serious black eye.
> >> >
> >> > Evan
> >> Personally I have not seen this behaviour. Rather than sending a message
> >> to the list, log a bug report, provide specific examples and version
> >> numbers. Show screen shots, logs, whatever you need to prove the issue.
> >>
> >> Without those details, your energy in getting excited about this problem
> >> is not that effective in my opinion.
> >>
> >> Note that I'm *not* saying that this does not exist, nor am I making a
> >> value statement about the concern, I'm simply stating that the forum for
> >> this issue is a bug report.
> >>
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Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-15 Thread Evan
Which package would this be filed against?

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:12 PM, Onno Benschop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 16/05/08 07:44, Evan wrote:
> > After trying to transfer some files from Ubuntu to Windows today, I
> > discovered a very dangerous problem. I'm not sure if it qualifies as a
> > bug, so I haven't yet reported it, but it could be considered one.
> >
> > Currently, the only characters that Ubuntu does not support in
> > filenames and paths are slashes, while Windows has a considerable list
> > (apostrophes, asterisks, etc).
> >
> > Creating a file on a Windows drive (NTFS or FAT) in Ubuntu and naming
> > it with one of these characters causes Windows to be unable to read
> > the file and anything beneath it in the directory structure. This is
> > extremely dangerous:
> >
> > - renaming files or folders near C:\ on your Windows partition could
> > render it unable to boot
> > - naming a business document on a flash drive could prevent you from
> > opening it that important meeting
> >
> > Ubuntu needs to automatically strip these characters (or prompt for a
> > rename) when creating/moving/renaming files on NTFS and FAT drives. If
> > this gets discovered and released as "Ubuntu causes data corruption on
> > Windows drives" it could be a serious black eye.
> >
> > Evan
> Personally I have not seen this behaviour. Rather than sending a message
> to the list, log a bug report, provide specific examples and version
> numbers. Show screen shots, logs, whatever you need to prove the issue.
>
> Without those details, your energy in getting excited about this problem
> is not that effective in my opinion.
>
> Note that I'm *not* saying that this does not exist, nor am I making a
> value statement about the concern, I'm simply stating that the forum for
> this issue is a bug report.
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Re: Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-15 Thread Onno Benschop
On 16/05/08 07:44, Evan wrote:
> After trying to transfer some files from Ubuntu to Windows today, I
> discovered a very dangerous problem. I'm not sure if it qualifies as a
> bug, so I haven't yet reported it, but it could be considered one.
>
> Currently, the only characters that Ubuntu does not support in
> filenames and paths are slashes, while Windows has a considerable list
> (apostrophes, asterisks, etc).
>
> Creating a file on a Windows drive (NTFS or FAT) in Ubuntu and naming
> it with one of these characters causes Windows to be unable to read
> the file and anything beneath it in the directory structure. This is
> extremely dangerous:
>
> - renaming files or folders near C:\ on your Windows partition could
> render it unable to boot
> - naming a business document on a flash drive could prevent you from
> opening it that important meeting
>
> Ubuntu needs to automatically strip these characters (or prompt for a
> rename) when creating/moving/renaming files on NTFS and FAT drives. If
> this gets discovered and released as "Ubuntu causes data corruption on
> Windows drives" it could be a serious black eye.
>
> Evan
Personally I have not seen this behaviour. Rather than sending a message
to the list, log a bug report, provide specific examples and version
numbers. Show screen shots, logs, whatever you need to prove the issue.

Without those details, your energy in getting excited about this problem
is not that effective in my opinion.

Note that I'm *not* saying that this does not exist, nor am I making a
value statement about the concern, I'm simply stating that the forum for
this issue is a bug report.

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Strip incompatible characters from Windows partitions!

2008-05-15 Thread Evan
After trying to transfer some files from Ubuntu to Windows today, I
discovered a very dangerous problem. I'm not sure if it qualifies as a bug,
so I haven't yet reported it, but it could be considered one.

Currently, the only characters that Ubuntu does not support in filenames and
paths are slashes, while Windows has a considerable list (apostrophes,
asterisks, etc).

Creating a file on a Windows drive (NTFS or FAT) in Ubuntu and naming it
with one of these characters causes Windows to be unable to read the file
and anything beneath it in the directory structure. This is extremely
dangerous:

- renaming files or folders near C:\ on your Windows partition could render
it unable to boot
- naming a business document on a flash drive could prevent you from opening
it that important meeting

Ubuntu needs to automatically strip these characters (or prompt for a
rename) when creating/moving/renaming files on NTFS and FAT drives. If this
gets discovered and released as "Ubuntu causes data corruption on Windows
drives" it could be a serious black eye.

Evan
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Re: libraries cyclic dependency

2008-05-15 Thread Onno Benschop
On 15/05/08 07:06, Pedro Brito Cruz wrote:
> Hi,
>
> i'm working on dapper distro and need to install libqt3-mt-dev which
> depends on a whole big list of other libraries.
>
> when trying to install some of these libraries I got to a cyclic
> dependency which i don't know how to deal with.
>
> x11proto-xext-dev
>
> depends on
>
> libxi-dev
>
> which depends on
>
> libxext-dev
>
> which depends on 
>
> x11proto-xext-dev (here starts the cycle)
>
>
> Therefore i should ask for your expertise in solving this issue.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Pedro

I may be way off the mark, but if I recall correctly, if you install
them all on the same command-line all will be well, like this:

* apt-get install x11proto-xext-dev libxext-dev libxi-dev

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libraries cyclic dependency

2008-05-15 Thread Pedro Brito Cruz
Hi,

i'm working on dapper distro and need to install libqt3-mt-dev which depends
on a whole big list of other libraries.

when trying to install some of these libraries I got to a cyclic dependency
which i don't know how to deal with.

x11proto-xext-dev

depends on

libxi-dev

which depends on

libxext-dev

which depends on

x11proto-xext-dev (here starts the cycle)


Therefore i should ask for your expertise in solving this issue.

Thanks in advance.

Pedro
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Re: Bug madness: High frequency of load/unload cycles

2008-05-15 Thread Lars Wirzenius
ke, 2008-05-14 kello 02:11 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan kirjoitti:
> Could a list of vendors who make crappy hard drives (ie ones with this
> issue) be made so we all can avoid them?  I can say my Western Digitals
> don't have the issue, though they do have a tendency to die anyway (bad
> sectors and dead circuitry, no clicking or oddly high disk i/o).

Don't all vendors occasionally make bad hardware? I know that I've had
bad disks from IBM/Hitachi, Seagate, WD, and Maxtor, at least. (Not all
of them laptop disks, though.)

(My philosophical stance is that all hardware is not just bad, but evil,
and actively designed to make your life a misery, but let's ignore that,
for now. My question above is serious.)



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Re: Problem with yum etc after installing Ubuntu 7.10.....

2008-05-15 Thread ffm

Peter Teoh wrote:

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Christopher Halse Rogers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 On

the other hand, I'm don't think that installing programs through yum
is a good idea on an Ubuntu system.  I may be wrong here, though.  Why
do we even have that package? :)



First thank you to everyone here...I am new in this Ubuntu.   Firstly
i have two requirements:

a.   I need git to do linux kernel development.


"sudo apt-get install git-core"

b.   I need flash for my firefox.   So I downloaded the rpm file.

"sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree"

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Re: Ubiquity - setting a separate /home by default

2008-05-15 Thread David Prieto
Hi again,

> I should also point out (because I gave out misinformation on IRC in a
> moment of inattention) that this only works when you're using the manual
> partitioner and select a partition to mount as /, or equivalent. If you
> use the automatic partitioner and select "use entire disk", then that's
> equivalent to wiping the whole drive and starting again.

I really would like to discuss this. I think this would make sense in
some cases, like having several distros coexisting in the same disk for
example. But what if there is just ONE partition, with Ubuntu on it? In
that case, why shouldn't /home be kept?

My original proposal was intended for total newbies, the kind of people
who would be afraid of the manual partitioner. I think your solution
should especially help that kind of people, and that keeping /home if
there is only one partition would be the right way to do so.

That aside, I opened a thread about the issue at ubuntuforums. The
members seem a bit uneasy about it, saying that it might bring problems.
I think it would be good if you guys came over and shed some light on
it.

http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=793772 this is the link.

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Re: Ubiquity - setting a separate /home by default

2008-05-15 Thread David Prieto
Hi Colin,

> I presume that you did not instruct the installer to format the old
> /home partition? (If you did, then why?)

Actually yes, and I never realised how dumb it was until I read your
message. I just was used to formatting before installing, so I guess I
never gave it any thought.

So, what is supposed to happen if you do NOT check the format box? Is
everything but your /home destroyed, or is anything else kept? Probably
a dumb question, but I've never done it so I can't know.


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Re: Making apt-get powercut-proof

2008-05-15 Thread Michael Vogt
Hi,

On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 07:06:35PM +0100, Andrew Sayers wrote:
> That's a pretty handy tool - would you be interested in an option to
> start the remote recovery that's being discussed in a nearby thread?

The design of friendly-recovery makes it easy to drop-in scripts, I
wasn't following this thread, but it would certainly be possible to
drop in something into /usr/share/recovery-mode/options that is then
available in the recovery menu.
 
> Also, how would you feel if I suggested the options/dpkg script to the
> APT development team as the basis for an init script?  I don't expect it
> would add more than a few seconds to boot time (or less if there's a
> lockfile that they can check for the existence of), and it would tackle
> the specific issue I had, where the problem presented as a missing home
> directory, and only turned out to be a package installation issue after
> much investigation.

I would prefer to make the package repair a explicit choice by the
user. It may require manual input (conffile questions, debconf
prompts, maintainer script prompts) so it is safer to handle when we
know that a human is available. update-manager has support to deal
with most brokeness in the packages system nowdays (interrupted dpkg,
broken dependencies, packages in req-reinstall state, ...) and
update-notifier will display a error symbol that will call
update-manager. That should cover most of the desktop use-cases.

The friendly-reocvery package with dpkg repair mode  is now also
available in hardy-proposed and should become available to
hardy-updates soonish. 

Thanks,
 Michael

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kill switch on with intel wifi 4965

2008-05-15 Thread (``-_-´´) -- Fernando
I'm sorry to bring "noise" about Hardy, on a list now meant to Intrepid, but 
unable to find how to fix this in any other way, so if any dev could lend me an 
hand it would be great. I know this is not Ubuntu fault, but manufactors, but 
still, I know we can fix this.

I've bough a new laptop (an ASmobile S37S, asus barebone) that has an Intel 
4965 ABGN.
I've search ubuntu foruns, lp, and googled all I could, but am unable to make 
the kill switch off, in order to turn the wifi on.
The card is well identified by the kernel, but there is no way to make it seen 
to NetworkManager, or even turning on the led.

Also when I tried to use ndiswrapper, it cause a back trace during the boot, 
and I was forced to use the LiveCD to uninstall it.

$ uname -a
Linux BluBUG 2.6.24-17-generic #1 SMP Thu May 1 13:57:17 UTC 2008 x86_64 
GNU/Linux
$ sudo rmmod iwl4965
$ sudo modprobe iwl4965
$ sudo lspci | grep 4965
04:00.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 4965 AG or AGN 
Network Connection (rev 61)

is this in anyway related?
http://www.intellinuxwireless.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1209
[quote]
 --- Comment #44 From Jack Malmostoso 2008-01-22 03:00:28 ---

I have installed 2.6.24-rc8 from the Debian trunk tree 
(http://wiki.debian.org/DebianKernel) and while leds do not work, the kill 
switch is now set to "0". It is still not possible
to toggle it but at least now
wireless works.
[/quote]

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=240116#c4

Comment #4 From John W. Linville on 2007-05-15 14:58 EST
[quote]
Looks like iwl3945 is not polling SW-based RF kill switch. Please try this:
   echo 0 > /sys/class/net/wlan0/device/rf_kill
[/quote]

before this I need to remove and re-add the iwl4965 module

after the echo NetworkManager sees the wifi, but ifconfig doesn't.

I've installed boot chart to see if I could track down the problem. You can see 
the result here:
http://fileland.bugabundo.net/Linux/hardy-20080513-1.png

It seems that the Led turns of when X starts, so my guess is that some RC 
script is turning off the led and/or on the kill switch.

I've open a LP ticket for this:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/230844

Any help is appreciated.

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Re: Ubuntu boot speed fall in Hardy

2008-05-15 Thread (``-_-´´) -- Fernando
Olá Mackenzie e a todos.

On Wednesday 14 May 2008 05:14:51 Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> The results of using Bootchart to map the GNOME startup process, for the many 
> users that did it, consistently showed gnome-panel as the culprit.

How does one use bootchart to map GNOME? mine ends on X11.

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Re: Ubuntu boot speed fall in Hardy

2008-05-15 Thread (``-_-´´) -- Fernando
Olá Markus e a todos.

On Saturday 10 May 2008 16:34:55 Markus Hitter wrote:
> How would one notice? Is Hardys hibernating/standby still so flaky  
> one is forced to shut down the computer more than once a month?

You're lucky. I reboot mine once every 2/3 days... after that, GDM slows down 
to a crawl, sound goes way, and system slows down.

> Maybe such questions appear not serious to some and maybe it even  
> looks like I want to disencourage you, but I'd be much more concerned  
> about standby stability as about boot times.

+1.

> 
> Markus




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Re: Problem with yum etc after installing Ubuntu 7.10.....

2008-05-15 Thread Forest Bond
Hi,

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 01:01:14PM +0800, Peter Teoh wrote:
> a.  install ubuntu
> b.  apt-get install yum*
> c.  apt-get install git
> 
> Next I tried "git", I got "command not found", but reattempted to
> "apt-get install git" will give me:

Try:

  apt-cache show git
  dpkg -L git
  apt-cache search git

This might have made you aware that you need package git-core, not package git.
Also, I don't know about you, but when I type git, I get:

  $ git
  The program 'git' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
  sudo apt-get install git-core
  bash: git: command not found

> I tried to yum install some other stuff, I got the following:
> 
> There was a problem importing one of the Python modules
> required to run yum. The error leading to this problem was:
> 
>   No module named cElementTree
> 
> Please install a package which provides this module, or
> verify that the module is installed correctly.

Well, you need package python-celementtree.  It sounds like there's a bug in the
yum package, as it should obviously have a dependency on this package, and
doesn't.

So:
 
  apt-get install python-celementtree

And:

  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/yum/+filebug

Anyway, why on Earth are you installing yum?  I think you'll find that APT is
generally a better choice on Debian/Ubuntu.

> It's possible that the above module doesn't match the
> current version of Python, which is:
> 2.5.1 (r251:54863, Oct  5 2007, 13:36:32)

Which is not an issue on Debian/Ubuntu, as we have two competing systems that
solve this problem (python-support, pycentral).

> Can someone help?

Hope this helps, however, in the future you probably ought to take support
requests to ubuntu-users.

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Re: Making apt-get powercut-proof

2008-05-15 Thread Andrew Sayers
If you're amenable to extra scripts being suggested, I'll submit a bug
report(s) as and when it's relevant.

You're right about requiring a user choice, but I'm a bit concerned that
users are going to be confronted with a collection of options that they
don't understand, where one of them is known to be the right choice, but
they have to poke about until they find it.  How would you feel about
adding a mechanism to do a quick check before showing the menu, then
putting "(recommended)" next to one of the choices?

In the case of the current choices, my suggestion would be that fsck be
recommended if `touch /` returns false (i.e. read-only root filesystem,
even if /etc/mtab denies it), else dpkg is recommended if apt or dpkg
lock files exist (I assume they use lock files?), else xfix is
recommended (it uses dpkg, so can't be run until dpkg is happy).  The
root shell would never be recommended, because people that want a shell
don't need to be told.

If you're happy with this idea, I can submit a skeleton implementation
if you'd like.

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Re: 1. Unabel to unmount/eject CD/DVD ?

2008-05-15 Thread (``-_-´´) -- Fernando
Olá Matthew e a todos.

On Wednesday 14 May 2008 21:03:13 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote:
> That's a much better explanation than the error message. 
> Cheers
> --
> Matthew Paul Thomas

Yes, the message wont explain it in enough detail to the end user.
It even scares him.

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Re: 1. Unabel to unmount/eject CD/DVD ?

2008-05-15 Thread (``-_-´´) -- Fernando
Olá Arvind e a todos.

On Tuesday 13 May 2008 13:34:03 Arvind K wrote:
> >
> >Yesterday I was met, with what I think is one of the most >stupid bugs I
> ever found.
> > When I tried to eject a DVDr, either using nautilus tools or >the drive
> eject button, an error popup showed up, telling me >that I wasn't root.
> > WTF, now I can't  even eject CDs?
> 
> >I had a look at my user permitions and all looked sound, so 
>>what am I doing wrong, or is this a bug?
> 
> 
> Hi Fernado,
> Its not a bug,the case you mentioned happens when the process using your
> cd-rom isn't killed properly(or isn't killed at all),leaving the system
> thinking that the cd is still in use..

No other app was using the DVD ROM.
Just plain old Nautilus...
Microsoft address this situations by either closing the explorer window, or 
moving up a level.

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Re: Problem with yum etc after installing Ubuntu 7.10.....

2008-05-15 Thread Peter Teoh
On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 1:14 PM, Christopher Halse Rogers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 On
> the other hand, I'm don't think that installing programs through yum
> is a good idea on an Ubuntu system.  I may be wrong here, though.  Why
> do we even have that package? :)
>

First thank you to everyone here...I am new in this Ubuntu.   Firstly
i have two requirements:

a.   I need git to do linux kernel development.
b.   I need flash for my firefox.   So I downloaded the rpm file.

So in Fedora Core, normally I will do "yum install xxx.rpm" where
xxx.rpm is the downloaded flash rpm file from adobe, and yum
automatically will do a recursive download of all dependent packages
and install it at the same time.   "rpm" cannot do that.

Sorry for all these...for flash I think I found the answer in:

http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Gutsy

and for the kernel I found it here:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelGitGuide

Ok...problem solvedthank you for the guide on git-core everyone ...etc!


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Re: Ubuntu boot speed fall in Hardy

2008-05-15 Thread Milan Bouchet-Valat
Le mercredi 14 mai 2008 à 18:10 -0400, Phillip Susi a écrit :
> Mackenzie Morgan wrote:
> > On Mon, 2008-05-12 at 02:17 +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote:
> >> Il giorno dom, 11/05/2008 alle 17.32 -0400, Mackenzie Morgan ha scritto:
> >>> On Sun, 2008-05-11 at 10:40 +0200, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote
> >>>  I wish I could configure what it considers "low."
> >> You can: just launch gconf-editor and take a look at
> >> apps/gnome-power-manager/thresholds.
> > 
> > It claims it hibernates when 2 minutes remain.  It lies.  
> 
> Sounds like you need to replace your worn out battery pack then.  Or 
> just increase it to 5 minutes and see if that buys you enough time.
Normally, gnome-power-manager should detect the real time left, and not only 
what the batteries claim. But if you never let the battery go until 0% without 
trying to stop the machine, I cannot see a way for g-p-m to calibrate that, 
since when your computer will shut down in the middle of the hibernation 
process, g-p-m has already been stopped.


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