Re: [OT] Alternative to Inkscape

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Bob Sneidar wrote:

> Sadly, I have experienced this before with Open Source software. Devs
> can be much less open to new ideas or ways of doing things. As a
> result they lose a lot of their base, but if it costs them nothing
> they can afford it.

I suppose that could be said about many projects, even proprietary ones. 
 How often have you submitted a feature request to Adobe or Apple and 
seen it acted on in the next release?


I've met the lead dev for Inkscape at the SoCal Linux User Group.  He 
takes out a booth there because he very much wants feedback.


The key to this particular issue lies in the details of the two reports 
Alejandro linked to:


> https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/170049
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/364036

In summary, Inkscape predates its SVG import (by many years), and as 
code bases go the original print-centric coordinate system (remember, 
Postscript uses the same coordinate system Inkscape does) included a lot 
of assumptions based around that coordinate system, and a few hard-coded 
values.  All in all, changing it is non-trivial.


Also, there was some discussion in that thread about whether this is a 
true bug or a feature request, because the software is working as 
originally designed and simply flipping the coordinates would pose a 
backward compatibility issue.


The best option would be user-definable coordinate systems, and that 
would be a feature request.  And quite a bit of work.


As one of the devs in that thread wrote:

   If you think it's so easy to fix, know that we are more than happy
   to accept a patch from you. ;)

While it is a long-standing issue, we've all seen issues in other 
software, both FOSS and proprietary, hang out longer.  These are often 
things that may be important but perhaps to a relatively small 
percentage of the software's audience.  I've used Inkscape for years but 
never noticed this one until I read this thread.


The difference with open source is that if it's really holding you back 
you can rally the resources to get it done yourself right now, something 
that would be impossible with any proprietary code base.


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[no subject]

[Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode]

Mark Wieder wrote:
> I am really sorry to have started this thread

Where else could we learned about the messageMessages
global property and messageHandled message (useful for
logging and debugging Livecode apps?

This mail list, like our own life, allows us to focus on our
immediate projects or our long term interests. We can
focus on the foreground or the background, focus on the
melody or the accompaniment... and these could change
places depending of our personal point of view.

Al
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Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Actually, since we weren't able to get there, we had to give them to the aliens 
who were running the CIA at the time, and they dropped them off. That way we 
can maintain the deception pretty convincingly. 

Bob S


> On Oct 4, 2017, at 16:18 , Rick Harrison via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi Lagi,
> 
> The Apollo Astronauts left “Laser Reflectors” on the moon so that
> we could very accurately measure the distance between the Earth
> and the Moon.
> 
> If you get the right equipment you too can do this experiment.
> The reflectors are still there on the moon right where they left them.

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60 years of the Space Age

[Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode]

Mark Wieder wrote:
> I am really sorry to have started this thread

Where else could we have learned about the messageMessages
global property and messageHandled message (useful for
logging and debugging Livecode apps?

This mail list, like our own life, allows us to focus on our
immediate projects or our long term interests. We can
focus on the foreground or the background, focus on the
melody or the accompaniment... and these could change
places depending of our personal point of view.

Al
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Re: 60 years of the Space Age

[Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode]

And Gmail allowed to send my previous message
without subject and no warnings... precisely
in the day (October 4) where they announce
that each of their products now have Artificial
Intelligence Algorithms incorporated... :-o

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 9:22 PM, Alejandro Tejada 
wrote:

> Mark Wieder wrote:
> > I am really sorry to have started this thread
>
> Where else could we have learned about the messageMessages
> global property and messageHandled message (useful for
> logging and debugging Livecode apps?
>
> This mail list, like our own life, allows us to focus on our
> immediate projects or our long term interests. We can
> focus on the foreground or the background, focus on the
> melody or the accompaniment... and these could change
> places depending of our personal point of view.
>
> Al
>
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Re: [OT] Alternative to Inkscape

[Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode]

Hi Richard,

Richard Gaskin wrote:
> The difference with open source is that if it's really holding you back
> you can rally the resources to get it done yourself right now, something
> that would be impossible with any proprietary code base.

In my humble opinion, after 12 years it has to be easier
to convince WC3 to change the SVG standard and adopt
Inkscape bottomleft page origin... :D

Al

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 7:44 PM, Alejandro Tejada 
wrote:
>
> Hi Ryan,
>
> I use Xara since many, many years ago. Their technical support is
excellent and rarely (if ever) I had a problem with their application
> except a rare bug that I found, reported and they fixed.
>
> Recently, I am testing their online design application:
> https://cloud.ixara.com/
>
> Everyone could test this online design application using their Google,
Facebook or Microsoft Live accounts.
>
> Al
>
> Rick Harrison wrote:
>
> > Did you try GIMP?
> > https://www.gimp.org
> > Will it do what you want it to do with SVG files?
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[OT] Alternative to Inkscape

[Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode]

Hi Ryan,

I use Xara since many, many years ago. Their technical support is excellent
and rarely (if ever) I had a problem with their application
except a rare bug that I found, reported and they fixed.

Recently, I am testing their online design application:
https://cloud.ixara.com/

Everyone could test this online design application using their Google,
Facebook or Microsoft Live accounts.

Al

Rick Harrison wrote:

> Did you try GIMP?
> https://www.gimp.org
> Will it do what you want it to do with SVG files?
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60 years of the Space Age

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 10/04/2017 04:30 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Actually, since we weren't able to get there, we had to give them to the aliens 
who were running the CIA at the time, and they dropped them off. That way we 
can maintain the deception pretty convincingly.


I am really sorry to have started this thread, even though Alien Laser 
Reflectors on the Moon sounds like a great movie.


Meanwhile, let's all celebrate the 60th anniversary of the launching of 
Sputnik I.


https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/10/the-world-needs-a-terrestrial-sputnik-moment/541989

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Re: 60 years of the Space Age

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 10/04/2017 06:22 PM, Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode wrote:

Mark Wieder wrote:

I am really sorry to have started this thread


ah... I had a smiley thing after that but I must have used some old 
recycled electrons and they fell off the page.


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Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

"because dead programmers don't write good code."

More to the point, Astronauts (c.f. end-users) usually don't know how to 
write code at all.


Richmond.

On 10/3/17 9:59 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

No, I am sure we put men on the moon. But we didn't stay there and there are no plans to 
actually colonize it. And the resources just to do that were "astronomical" 
(pardon the pun). There was of cource some redundancy, but some things cannot be 
repaired, as we learned with Apollo 13. Oh we patched it up enough to get them back, but 
they almost didn't make it even then, and all they had to do really was slingshot around 
the moon and get back.

Imagine now you are hurtling towards your next stop, Mars, and something 
serious goes bad. How do you repair it? If you can't, how do you turn around? 
You cannot exactly make a right turn at the speeds you are going, and there are 
no planetary bodies to slingshot around. You have to burn an inordinate amount 
of fuel to stop, then turn around, then burn an extraordinary amount of fuel to 
get back, and the Earth isn't standing still during all this. Did you bring the 
fuel to do that?

The hardware alone for that kind of space travel would make the moon launch 
look like a paper airplane. And the software for such a trip had better damn 
well be bug proof, because dead programmers don't write good code.

Bob S



On Oct 3, 2017, at 07:31 , Lagi Pittas via use-livecode 
 wrote:

And since you brought it up  what are are you saying? We have gone  to the
Moon or Not, or that programming and engineering is too complex to do
create the particular software system that Bret Victor envisages?


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Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Why do I have a feeling that once a system constructed by humans reaches 
a certain level of complexity
those humans are unable to predict how it will behave in certain 
circumstances.


We humans have, largely got ourself in trouble by starting to think we 
can explain everything,

and I have a vision of a God laughing his/her socks off at our hubris.

One of the kids I was teaching programming in the Summer pointed at a 
metal box connected to a monitor, a keyboard

and a mouse and asked, "What happens inside that?"

To which I replied, "Magic."

This answer was a bit too honest for the poor boy to cope with as he has 
been brought up as a naive realist.


Richmond.

On 10/4/17 2:42 am, Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode wrote:

Ralph wrote:

This is possible because all current consumer OSs
have the same problems outlined in the article.

Deep truth, but... Are you sure that hardware is not to blame
for many of these unexplained bugs?

Intermittent hardware failures, due to faulty soldering or
overheating (etc...) are uncommon but possible...

  Al
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Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

"magical unicorns crapped the world into existence."

But they did: where have you been recently?

Just as LiveCode 8.1.6 just spontaneously appeared without

Homo Africanus (HyperCard), Home Erectus (Metacard) and
a lot of subsequent depilation.

Richmond.

On 10/3/17 10:06 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

Well then the REAL miracle to the moon launch is how Nasa either deceived the 
thousands of people who worked on the project, and keeps them deceived to this 
day, or else were able to keep all those thousands of people from talking or 
writing a book.

You see, conspiracies must by nature be extremely limited in participation and scope, 
otherwise it becomes compromised pretty quickly. Even the CIA doesn't expect to keep 
secrets forever. But if you don't think about all the individual people that have to 
spend their entire lives keeping a lie secret, and instead imagine this single minded 
boogie man called "the government" then you don't have to be bothered about 
that glaring miscalculation.

Believing that all those workers were "in on it" or else massively deceived 
during the whole process is so much more incredibly fantastic, that I would really rather 
believe that magical unicorns crapped the world into existence.
  


Bob S



On Oct 3, 2017, at 07:31 , Lagi Pittas via use-livecode 
 wrote:

Anyway I'm with Richard Feynman so  "I don't care what other people think"
I'm 99.99% certain we didn't go yo the moon- you can only be 100% sure
that you exist. I only came to this conclusion in the 90's even though the
evidence was overwhelming then, but it keeps piling up. This is coming from
someone who remembers EXACTLY where he was and what he was eating and
drinking when Neil Armstrong was getting his lines wrong. It was Milk  and
a Blue Riband biscuit. It took me a LOOOooong time to acknowledge I had
been lied to but sometimes you have to admit it.


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Re: Autocomplete toggle?

[Mark Talluto via use-livecode]

> On Sep 27, 2017, at 10:32 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks. I wish it recorded sound, it would be helpful to say "now I'm typing a
> D, look 3 words back for the insertion" but that's what I'll probably use.

I am a bit behind on this list. So apologies if this has already come up. Give 
ScreenFlow a try. 
https://www.telestream.net/screenflow/overview.htm 


It records the screen, audio, keyboard and mouseclicks, you can easily add text 
notation. Those are the basics. It does a lot more should you need it. 

It has a super simple video and audio editor. It costs $129. Since your time is 
worth money (especially yours Jacque), it is practically free. Go ahead and get 
it. You deserve it.  :)


Best regards,

Mark Talluto
livecloud.io 
nursenotes.net 
canelasoftware.com 

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[OT] Alternative to Inkscape

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

https://sk1project.net/

Maturing nicely.

Richmond.
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Re: [OT] Alternative to Inkscape

[AndyP via use-livecode]

Also for svg  https://gravit.io/   



-
Andy Piddock 


My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. 

TinyIDE a Free alternative minimalist IDE Plugin for LiveCode
TinyIDE 


Script editor Themer for LC http://2108.co.uk  

PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker / 
finder.
http://www.pointandsee.co.uk  - made with LiveCode
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Re: [OT] Alternative to Inkscape

[Tom Glod via use-livecode]

thanks for this, been looking for a replacement to fireworks which would
let me switch to linux full time.

On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 11:22 AM, AndyP via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Also for svg  
> http://post.spmailt.com/f/a/d9JnaHsX5EfQCxw1vIDDCA~~/AAGp3AA~/RgRbtjQrP0EIACzmqdMzZhVXA3NwY1gEAFkGc2hhcmVkYQdoZWxsb18xYA01Mi4zOS4xODIuMjQ4QgoAAKsA1VmBOu5-Uh11c2UtbGl2ZWNvZGVAbGlzdHMucnVucmV2LmNvbQlRBABEEmh0dHBzOi8vZ3Jhdml0LmlvL0cCe30~
>  
> 
>
>
>
> -
> Andy Piddock
>
>
> My software never has bugs. It just develops random features.
>
> TinyIDE a Free alternative minimalist IDE Plugin for LiveCode
> TinyIDE
>
>
> Script editor Themer for LC 
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>
> PointandSee is a FREE simple but full featured under cursor colour picker
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Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

[Jim Lambert via use-livecode]

> Richmond wrote:
> 
> once a system constructed by humans reaches a certain level of complexity
> those humans are unable to predict how it will behave in certain 
> circumstances.

And sometimes we’re unable to explain WHY a system behaved as it did, which is 
increasingly common with certain AI and cognitive computing systems.

Jim Lambert

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Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

To which I will add as a side note, once we know everything, there will be no 
more opinions or opposing views. :-)

Bob S


> On Oct 4, 2017, at 09:12 , Jim Lambert via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> Richmond wrote:
>> 
>> once a system constructed by humans reaches a certain level of complexity
>> those humans are unable to predict how it will behave in certain 
>> circumstances.
> 
> And sometimes we’re unable to explain WHY a system behaved as it did, which 
> is increasingly common with certain AI and cognitive computing systems.
> 
> Jim Lambert

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Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

[Phil Davis via use-livecode]

Except people will always want what they want. As I understand it, that 
drives disagreements far more than the absence/presence of knowledge. 
(James 4:1 )


Sorry, I couldn't resist... I just HAD to respond to your 
tongue-in-cheek comment...

Guess that makes me the poster child of what I just said. :-)

Phil Davis


On 10/4/17 10:10 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

To which I will add as a side note, once we know everything, there will be no 
more opinions or opposing views. :-)

Bob S



On Oct 4, 2017, at 09:12 , Jim Lambert via use-livecode 
 wrote:


Richmond wrote:

once a system constructed by humans reaches a certain level of complexity
those humans are unable to predict how it will behave in certain circumstances.

And sometimes we’re unable to explain WHY a system behaved as it did, which is 
increasingly common with certain AI and cognitive computing systems.

Jim Lambert

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Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Knowledge is not the only thing one can hold opinions about: anything 
subjective such as ethics or

aesthetics . . .

Richmond.

On 10/4/17 8:45 pm, Phil Davis via use-livecode wrote:
Except people will always want what they want. As I understand it, 
that drives disagreements far more than the absence/presence of 
knowledge. (James 4:1 )


Sorry, I couldn't resist... I just HAD to respond to your 
tongue-in-cheek comment...

Guess that makes me the poster child of what I just said. :-)

Phil Davis


On 10/4/17 10:10 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:
To which I will add as a side note, once we know everything, there 
will be no more opinions or opposing views. :-)


Bob S


On Oct 4, 2017, at 09:12 , Jim Lambert via use-livecode 
 wrote:



Richmond wrote:

once a system constructed by humans reaches a certain level of 
complexity
those humans are unable to predict how it will behave in certain 
circumstances.
And sometimes we’re unable to explain WHY a system behaved as it 
did, which is increasingly common with certain AI and cognitive 
computing systems.


Jim Lambert

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Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Well, in that case I sincerely hope we never know everything.

Although, how, without our finite brains/minds we would manage that 
escapes me entirely.


Richmond.

On 10/4/17 8:10 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

To which I will add as a side note, once we know everything, there will be no 
more opinions or opposing views. :-)

Bob S



On Oct 4, 2017, at 09:12 , Jim Lambert via use-livecode 
 wrote:


Richmond wrote:

once a system constructed by humans reaches a certain level of complexity
those humans are unable to predict how it will behave in certain circumstances.

And sometimes we’re unable to explain WHY a system behaved as it did, which is 
increasingly common with certain AI and cognitive computing systems.

Jim Lambert

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system user dialog data colliding

[Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode]

I finally found the source of this oddness after a couple of years . . .

On startup in development environment, there is a check that updates the
main stack if it is not from today, using "save as".  The name is to the
effect of "mcp.171004a.livecode"

This invariably triggers a live code message asking what to do with the old
stack (and sometimes a flurry  alternating between the old and new stack as
I save each).

There is also a custom dialog that automatically loads and asks for the
database table to open (with client names, not raw table names).

The second of these to launch blocks the first.  The result is that I have
to hit "cancel" on my own dialog, but execution remains stopped until I
deal with the system message.  In turn, that means that the dialogData
becomes "save" rather than the "cancel" associated with my own dialog.

It never occurred to me that the system portion would be using this
property.  (To add insult to injury, I changed from setting a custom
property in my dialog to using dialogData).

I suppose that since the IDE tries to be written in live code as much as
possible this may not be a bu, but it is certainly unexpected . . .

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Re: Autocomplete toggle?

[prothero--- via use-livecode]

I use Movavi for screen capture and quick editing. It is inexpensive, and also 
has a very nice video format converter.
http://m.movavi.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIlZDa0qbX1gIViG5-Ch0R5gwwEAAYASAAEgL_wvD_BwE
Best,
Bill

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On Oct 4, 2017, at 8:28 AM, Mark Talluto via use-livecode 
 wrote:

>> On Sep 27, 2017, at 10:32 AM, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks. I wish it recorded sound, it would be helpful to say "now I'm typing 
>> a
>> D, look 3 words back for the insertion" but that's what I'll probably use.
> 
> I am a bit behind on this list. So apologies if this has already come up. 
> Give ScreenFlow a try. 
> https://www.telestream.net/screenflow/overview.htm 
> 
> 
> It records the screen, audio, keyboard and mouseclicks, you can easily add 
> text notation. Those are the basics. It does a lot more should you need it. 
> 
> It has a super simple video and audio editor. It costs $129. Since your time 
> is worth money (especially yours Jacque), it is practically free. Go ahead 
> and get it. You deserve it.  :)
> 
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Mark Talluto
> livecloud.io 
> nursenotes.net 
> canelasoftware.com 
> 
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[OT] Alternative to Inkscape

[Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode]

Include SVG-Edit and current versions of these editors:
https://www.sitepoint.com/6-free-web-based-svg-editors-compared/

I just keep wondering why nobody have forked Inkscape
and included the most requested feature: a plain simple
palette that translate page coordinates from bottomleft
to the topleft of the page.

For more than 10 years, designers have been asking
Inkscape developers that they should move the page
origin from bottomleft to topleft (as svg specification
requires). In fact, someone posted a palette that
translate the page origin coordinates from bottomleft
to topleft (without changing or breaking any other
internal code) but this was quickly shutdown by
project maintainers.

Probably this explains the glacial adoption pace
of Inkscape among designers and why SVG 2.0
specification have been stalled for years and face
the risk of not being approved with all features
requested (many of them already in use)

http://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/is-svg-2-really-on-life-support

Here is the main reason:
"there is not enough svg content using those svg features"

While Macromedia and Adobe support pushed Flash content
presence to an incredible 29% (currently 6% among websites)

https://www.fastcompany.com/3049920/the-agonizingly-slow-decline-of-adobe-flash-player

https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/cp-flash/all/all

SVG is only now that is reaching 4.5%
https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/im-svg/all/all

That is what I call "The Reluctant Acceptance of SVG"

Maybe in the near future,
1) Inkscape developers could fulfill with more frequency
the most common and reasonable requests of their
own users.
2) SVG new features are used more frequently and
enough content is posted online using those features.
3) Better designed tools appear than allows to use these
new features without having to use so many workarounds
and acrobatics...
 (for example:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14684846/flattening-svg-matrix-transforms-in-inkscape
)

Al
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Duplicate Card

[Camm via use-livecode]

Hi ,

 

Is Duplicate card broke in 8.1.6 ?

 

I get Duplicate card highlighted then when pressed the duplicate does not
appear ?

 

 

Regards

Camm

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Re: [OT] Alternative to Inkscape

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

Sadly, I have experienced this before with Open Source software. Devs can be 
much less open to new ideas or ways of doing things. As a result they lose a 
lot of their base, but if it costs them nothing they can afford it. 

Bob S


> On Oct 4, 2017, at 13:30 , Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> For more than 10 years, designers have been asking
> Inkscape developers that they should move the page
> origin from bottomleft to topleft (as svg specification
> requires). In fact, someone posted a palette that
> translate the page origin coordinates from bottomleft
> to topleft (without changing or breaking any other
> internal code) but this was quickly shutdown by
> project maintainers.


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Re: [OT] Alternative to Inkscape

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Hi Al,

Did you try GIMP?

https://www.gimp.org

Will it do what you want it to do with SVG files?

Hope it helps!

Rick



> On Oct 4, 2017, at 4:30 PM, Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Include SVG-Edit and current versions of these editors:
> https://www.sitepoint.com/6-free-web-based-svg-editors-compared/
> 
> I just keep wondering why nobody have forked Inkscape
> and included the most requested feature: a plain simple
> palette that translate page coordinates from bottomleft
> to the topleft of the page.
> 
> For more than 10 years, designers have been asking
> Inkscape developers that they should move the page
> origin from bottomleft to topleft (as svg specification
> requires). In fact, someone posted a palette that
> translate the page origin coordinates from bottomleft
> to topleft (without changing or breaking any other
> internal code) but this was quickly shutdown by
> project maintainers.
> 
> Probably this explains the glacial adoption pace
> of Inkscape among designers and why SVG 2.0
> specification have been stalled for years and face
> the risk of not being approved with all features
> requested (many of them already in use)
> 
> http://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/is-svg-2-really-on-life-support
> 
> Here is the main reason:
> "there is not enough svg content using those svg features"
> 
> While Macromedia and Adobe support pushed Flash content
> presence to an incredible 29% (currently 6% among websites)
> 
> https://www.fastcompany.com/3049920/the-agonizingly-slow-decline-of-adobe-flash-player
> 
> https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/cp-flash/all/all
> 
> SVG is only now that is reaching 4.5%
> https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/im-svg/all/all
> 
> That is what I call "The Reluctant Acceptance of SVG"
> 
> Maybe in the near future,
> 1) Inkscape developers could fulfill with more frequency
> the most common and reasonable requests of their
> own users.
> 2) SVG new features are used more frequently and
> enough content is posted online using those features.
> 3) Better designed tools appear than allows to use these
> new features without having to use so many workarounds
> and acrobatics...
> (for example:
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14684846/flattening-svg-matrix-transforms-in-inkscape
> )
> 
> Al
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Re: [OT] Alternative to Inkscape

[Alejandro Tejada via use-livecode]

After reading again Bug Reports about Inkscape page origin, I noticed that
I was wrong.

That Bug Report have existed for more than 12 years so... read by yourself:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/170049
https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/364036

Al


On Wed, Oct 4, 2017 at 4:30 PM, Alejandro Tejada 
wrote:

> Include SVG-Edit and current versions of these editors:
> https://www.sitepoint.com/6-free-web-based-svg-editors-compared/
>
> I just keep wondering why nobody have forked Inkscape
> and included the most requested feature: a plain simple
> palette that translate page coordinates from bottomleft
> to the topleft of the page.
>
> For more than 10 years, designers have been asking
> Inkscape developers that they should move the page
> origin from bottomleft to topleft (as svg specification
> requires). In fact, someone posted a palette that
> translate the page origin coordinates from bottomleft
> to topleft (without changing or breaking any other
> internal code) but this was quickly shutdown by
> project maintainers.
>
> Probably this explains the glacial adoption pace
> of Inkscape among designers and why SVG 2.0
> specification have been stalled for years and face
> the risk of not being approved with all features
> requested (many of them already in use)
>
> http://libregraphicsworld.org/blog/entry/is-svg-2-really-on-life-support
>
> Here is the main reason:
> "there is not enough svg content using those svg features"
>
> While Macromedia and Adobe support pushed Flash content
> presence to an incredible 29% (currently 6% among websites)
>
> https://www.fastcompany.com/3049920/the-agonizingly-slow-
> decline-of-adobe-flash-player
>
> https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/cp-flash/all/all
>
> SVG is only now that is reaching 4.5%
> https://w3techs.com/technologies/details/im-svg/all/all
>
> That is what I call "The Reluctant Acceptance of SVG"
>
> Maybe in the near future,
> 1) Inkscape developers could fulfill with more frequency
> the most common and reasonable requests of their
> own users.
> 2) SVG new features are used more frequently and
> enough content is posted online using those features.
> 3) Better designed tools appear than allows to use these
> new features without having to use so many workarounds
> and acrobatics...
>  (for example: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14684846/flattening-
> svg-matrix-transforms-in-inkscape )
>
> Al
>
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Re: not really OT: The Coming Software Apocalypse

[Rick Harrison via use-livecode]

Hi Lagi,

The Apollo Astronauts left “Laser Reflectors” on the moon so that
we could very accurately measure the distance between the Earth
and the Moon.

If you get the right equipment you too can do this experiment.
The reflectors are still there on the moon right where they left them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment#/media/File:ALSEP_AS14-67-9386.jpg
 


Enjoy,

Rick

P.S. Maybe Astronauts in the far future will be able to write programs on the 
fly with future LiveCode!



> On Oct 3, 2017, at 5:21 PM, Lagi Pittas via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am well up on the argument of secrecy and that article -  falls down in
> the first few paragraphs with the vaccines - you probably haven't heard of
> the whistleblowers - Gus Grissom comes to mind
> 
> http://info.cmsri.org/the-driven-researcher-blog/link-between-vaccines-and-african-american-boys-hidden-by-cdc-says-whistleblower
> http://avoiceforchoice.org/cdcwhistleblower/
> 
> But ignorance here cost lives the Moon Hoax doesn't.
> 
> I'll give you the short reason why it was faked then give you a few links
> you have probably not seen and a few questions - i've seen all the
> "evidence"  most of it is, we've seen the moon rock, or we saw the pictures
> on TV and that's it even Mythbusters used the simplest strawman argument.
> 
> 
> Here are the Astronauts in the post "landing"  press conference
> 
> They are so elated looking at each other to see if tghey are puttijng a
> foot wrong - wait for
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RcKLAo62Ro
> 
> This is a classic 52 seconds
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyjppxh2-C0
> 
> Armstrong is asked if he ever saw stars from the surface of the moon...
> Collins answers" I dont remember seeing any". Collins was never on the
> surface of the moonhe was allegedly "orbiting" the moon, it was not his
> question to answer.
> 
> It was basically done because America lost face with SputnK - the Cold war
> was going on - I don't doubt Kennedy believed they could do it when he made
> that speech.
> 
> They could'nt so a "FEW" top people got together - remember this is for
> your country - all the astronauts were military men. You farm it out to
> many companies - so everythingh is on a need to know. You give $40 billion
> dollars - we can't do it but we can fake it for $2 billion thank you very
> much.
> 
> Most of the workers at NASAgenuinely believed it - I sure did and I wasn't
> involved in helping out.
> 
> Now here is the BEST 9 minute video which shows you NASA people *admitting*
> they don't know how they did it in 1969.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpPMoIv1lxI=22s
> 
> 
> I have more questions and other anomalies not in here but that's for
> another day.
> 
> 
> This video from 3:22 onwards shows that they have also faked certain
> Shuttle exercises. Here the shuttle is "in space" with a man's face in view
> for about 5 seconds is priceless - Gerry Anderson would be proud
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9i8tMzxIn0=1=254s=FL0uijsHtSIJz8eE6CrUECIw
> 
> Don't get me wrong they have sent shuttles up in Space (but never higher
> than 400 Miles) , but some of the stuff they say they did with it are
> models - tell me I'm wrong but watch the video first
> 
> 
> If you want my take on the secrecy issue I might expand - "A man convinced
> against his will is of the same opinion still".
> 
> Regards Lagi
> 
> 
> p.s
> 
> If nothing else just listen to the 13 seconds here at 5:43
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpPMoIv1lxI=22s
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 3 October 2017 at 21:17, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>> Nice article, but his example of the Snowden revelations actually proves
>> my point.
>> 
>> Bob S
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2017, at 12:20 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
>> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Bob Sneidar wrote:
>>> 
 Well then the REAL miracle to the moon launch is how Nasa either
 deceived the thousands of people who worked on the project, and keeps
 them deceived to this day, or else were able to keep all those
 thousands of people from talking or writing a book.
>>> 
>>> Arithmetically unlikely:
>>> 
>>> https://phys.org/news/2016-01-equation-large-scale-
>> conspiracies-quickly-reveal.html
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Richard Gaskin
>>> Fourth World Systems
>>> Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>> 
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Re: LiveCode documentation set now available for Dash compatible readers

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On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 5:54 PM, James Hale via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> There is now a documentation set (currently at LC 9 dp 9) available in the
> "user-contribution" category for Dash compatible readers.
>

Thanks James!

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