Re: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move geode to the attic

[Dan Smith]

For the one contributor who offered to help with the project, thanks Rupert!  
However, it didn't seem to me like we had raised enough support at this point 
to continue having a working PMC even with your help. We do appreciate the 
offer.

I think if you are serious about taking over the project, there are options to 
raise a community and reboot the project within the apache foundation, so this 
doesn't have to be the end of the line.

-Dan


From: Dan Smith 
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2022 3:15 PM
To: user@geode.apache.org ; d...@geode.apache.org 

Subject: [RESULT] [VOTE] Move geode to the attic 
 
This vote is now closed, thanks to everyone who voted. The vote has passed with 
4 binding PMC members voting to move the project to the attic.

I think the next step is that I will add an item to the agenda for the next 
Apache board meeting for the board to consider. I'll also put the details in 
our board report and share out a draft.

Results:

Binding PMC members
--
+1  - Xiaojian, Anthony, Mark, Dan

Committers and Users
-
+1 - Ernie, Donal, Ali, Ajay
 -1 - Rupert, Pieter

[RESULT] [VOTE] Move geode to the attic

[Dan Smith]

This vote is now closed, thanks to everyone who voted. The vote has passed with 
4 binding PMC members voting to move the project to the attic.

I think the next step is that I will add an item to the agenda for the next 
Apache board meeting for the board to consider. I'll also put the details in 
our board report and share out a draft.

Results:

Binding PMC members
--
+1  - Xiaojian, Anthony, Mark, Dan

Committers and Users
-
+1 - Ernie, Donal, Ali, Ajay
 -1 - Rupert, Pieter

Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic

[ajay v]

Me using open source Geode since 2019. Could understand not enough from
core team from vmware who can support and pacth. Vote to go to attic.

On Thu, 3 Nov 2022, 20:56 Mark Bretl,  wrote:

> I am in the same line of thinking as Anthony, there is a ton of work here
> to keep this moving and there are not enough people to do it. Between the
> role call on the PMC list and lack of significant interest on DEV/USER
> lists, I do not see it being a successful community at this point in time.
> If at some point in the future, there are enough volunteers to bring it
> back, they can go through the incubation process again.
>
> Therefore, I am a +1 vote for the attic. :(
>
> --Mark
>
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 4:27 AM pieter van zyl  wrote:
>
>> I would vote against moving it to the attic
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 10:56 PM Dan Smith  wrote:
>>
>>> Any last votes on this? My current count:
>>>
>>> Binding Votes:
>>> 1 vote to move to the attic (Xiaojian)
>>>
>>> Non-binding votes:
>>> 2 votes to move to the attic (Donal and Ernie)
>>> 1 vote against and an offer to help maintain the project (Rupert)
>>>
>>> I'll let the dust settle for another day and then close this vote.
>>>
>>> -Dan
>>> --
>>> *From:* Xiaojian Zhou 
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2022 10:51 PM
>>> *To:* user@geode.apache.org ;
>>> d...@geode.apache.org 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>>
>>> !! External Email
>>>
>>> Vote to move to attic.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Xiaojian Zhou, PMC of geode
>>>
>>> From: Dan Smith 
>>> Date: Friday, October 28, 2022 at 3:15 PM
>>> To: user@geode.apache.org , d...@geode.apache.org
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>> There is still an ongoing discussion on the private@geode list, let's
>>> go ahead and extend the VOTE deadline until at least Wednesday, November 2.
>>>
>>> As Anthony mentioned, only PMC member votes actually count. But all
>>> community members should feel free to cast their vote and help us reach a
>>> consensus. At the moment, I count zero PMC votes for or against this
>>> proposal.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Dan
>>> 
>>> From: rup...@webstersystems.co.uk 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 12:30 PM
>>> To: user@geode.apache.org ; d...@geode.apache.org
>>> 
>>> Subject: RE: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>>
>>> ‼ External Email
>>>
>>> Hello, I vote to keep an open source version.
>>> Volunteer for PMC.
>>> Please ping me.
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Anthony Baker 
>>> Sent: 25 October 2022 18:38
>>> To: d...@geode.apache.org
>>> Cc: user@geode.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>>
>>> I added the user@ list for visibility.
>>>
>>> I believe the purpose of taking a VOTE here is to look for community
>>> consensus on this idea and perhaps find new people interested in carrying
>>> the project forward. The votes of the existing PMC members are the ones
>>> that count, just like for a release. Quoting from [1]:
>>>
>>> "There are two expected mechanisms by which a project may enter the
>>> Attic. Either the managing Project Management Committee (PMC) decides it
>>> would like to move the project, or The Apache Software Foundation's board
>>> dissolves the PMC and chooses to move the project.”
>>>
>>> And
>>>
>>> "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have
>>> no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the
>>> board are all good candidates for the Attic.”
>>>
>>> I’m holding my vote for now. I would vote +1 if I don’t see sufficient
>>> ability for the PMC to carry the project.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fattic.apache.org%2Fdata=05%7C01%7Cdasmith%40vmware.com%7C37d98042d8ef49984ade08dabb0402fe%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C638027923164232642%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=gxqKYTayLzJG0r%2B4BT2ZfHjkgPN917aElv3qbsfqwoU%3Dreserved=0
>>> 

Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic

[Ali Koyuncu]

+1 vote for moving to attic

On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 11:56 PM Mark Bretl  wrote:

> I am in the same line of thinking as Anthony, there is a ton of work here
> to keep this moving and there are not enough people to do it. Between the
> role call on the PMC list and lack of significant interest on DEV/USER
> lists, I do not see it being a successful community at this point in time.
> If at some point in the future, there are enough volunteers to bring it
> back, they can go through the incubation process again.
>
> Therefore, I am a +1 vote for the attic. :(
>
> --Mark
>
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 4:27 AM pieter van zyl  wrote:
>
>> I would vote against moving it to the attic
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 10:56 PM Dan Smith  wrote:
>>
>>> Any last votes on this? My current count:
>>>
>>> Binding Votes:
>>> 1 vote to move to the attic (Xiaojian)
>>>
>>> Non-binding votes:
>>> 2 votes to move to the attic (Donal and Ernie)
>>> 1 vote against and an offer to help maintain the project (Rupert)
>>>
>>> I'll let the dust settle for another day and then close this vote.
>>>
>>> -Dan
>>> --
>>> *From:* Xiaojian Zhou 
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2022 10:51 PM
>>> *To:* user@geode.apache.org ;
>>> d...@geode.apache.org 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>>
>>> !! External Email
>>>
>>> Vote to move to attic.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Xiaojian Zhou, PMC of geode
>>>
>>> From: Dan Smith 
>>> Date: Friday, October 28, 2022 at 3:15 PM
>>> To: user@geode.apache.org , d...@geode.apache.org
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>> There is still an ongoing discussion on the private@geode list, let's
>>> go ahead and extend the VOTE deadline until at least Wednesday, November 2.
>>>
>>> As Anthony mentioned, only PMC member votes actually count. But all
>>> community members should feel free to cast their vote and help us reach a
>>> consensus. At the moment, I count zero PMC votes for or against this
>>> proposal.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Dan
>>> 
>>> From: rup...@webstersystems.co.uk 
>>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 12:30 PM
>>> To: user@geode.apache.org ; d...@geode.apache.org
>>> 
>>> Subject: RE: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>>
>>> ‼ External Email
>>>
>>> Hello, I vote to keep an open source version.
>>> Volunteer for PMC.
>>> Please ping me.
>>> Cheers.
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Anthony Baker 
>>> Sent: 25 October 2022 18:38
>>> To: d...@geode.apache.org
>>> Cc: user@geode.apache.org
>>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>>
>>> I added the user@ list for visibility.
>>>
>>> I believe the purpose of taking a VOTE here is to look for community
>>> consensus on this idea and perhaps find new people interested in carrying
>>> the project forward. The votes of the existing PMC members are the ones
>>> that count, just like for a release. Quoting from [1]:
>>>
>>> "There are two expected mechanisms by which a project may enter the
>>> Attic. Either the managing Project Management Committee (PMC) decides it
>>> would like to move the project, or The Apache Software Foundation's board
>>> dissolves the PMC and chooses to move the project.”
>>>
>>> And
>>>
>>> "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have
>>> no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the
>>> board are all good candidates for the Attic.”
>>>
>>> I’m holding my vote for now. I would vote +1 if I don’t see sufficient
>>> ability for the PMC to carry the project.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anthony
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fattic.apache.org%2Fdata=05%7C01%7Cdasmith%40vmware.com%7C37d98042d8ef49984ade08dabb0402fe%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C638027923164232642%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=gxqKYTayLzJG0r%2B4BT2ZfHjkgPN917aElv3qbsfqwoU%3Dreserved=0
>>> 

Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic

[Mark Bretl]

I am in the same line of thinking as Anthony, there is a ton of work here
to keep this moving and there are not enough people to do it. Between the
role call on the PMC list and lack of significant interest on DEV/USER
lists, I do not see it being a successful community at this point in time.
If at some point in the future, there are enough volunteers to bring it
back, they can go through the incubation process again.

Therefore, I am a +1 vote for the attic. :(

--Mark

On Thu, Nov 3, 2022 at 4:27 AM pieter van zyl  wrote:

> I would vote against moving it to the attic
>
> On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 10:56 PM Dan Smith  wrote:
>
>> Any last votes on this? My current count:
>>
>> Binding Votes:
>> 1 vote to move to the attic (Xiaojian)
>>
>> Non-binding votes:
>> 2 votes to move to the attic (Donal and Ernie)
>> 1 vote against and an offer to help maintain the project (Rupert)
>>
>> I'll let the dust settle for another day and then close this vote.
>>
>> -Dan
>> --
>> *From:* Xiaojian Zhou 
>> *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2022 10:51 PM
>> *To:* user@geode.apache.org ; d...@geode.apache.org
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>
>> !! External Email
>>
>> Vote to move to attic.
>>
>> Regards
>> Xiaojian Zhou, PMC of geode
>>
>> From: Dan Smith 
>> Date: Friday, October 28, 2022 at 3:15 PM
>> To: user@geode.apache.org , d...@geode.apache.org <
>> d...@geode.apache.org>
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>> There is still an ongoing discussion on the private@geode list, let's go
>> ahead and extend the VOTE deadline until at least Wednesday, November 2.
>>
>> As Anthony mentioned, only PMC member votes actually count. But all
>> community members should feel free to cast their vote and help us reach a
>> consensus. At the moment, I count zero PMC votes for or against this
>> proposal.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Dan
>> 
>> From: rup...@webstersystems.co.uk 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 12:30 PM
>> To: user@geode.apache.org ; d...@geode.apache.org <
>> d...@geode.apache.org>
>> Subject: RE: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>
>> ‼ External Email
>>
>> Hello, I vote to keep an open source version.
>> Volunteer for PMC.
>> Please ping me.
>> Cheers.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Anthony Baker 
>> Sent: 25 October 2022 18:38
>> To: d...@geode.apache.org
>> Cc: user@geode.apache.org
>> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>>
>> I added the user@ list for visibility.
>>
>> I believe the purpose of taking a VOTE here is to look for community
>> consensus on this idea and perhaps find new people interested in carrying
>> the project forward. The votes of the existing PMC members are the ones
>> that count, just like for a release. Quoting from [1]:
>>
>> "There are two expected mechanisms by which a project may enter the
>> Attic. Either the managing Project Management Committee (PMC) decides it
>> would like to move the project, or The Apache Software Foundation's board
>> dissolves the PMC and chooses to move the project.”
>>
>> And
>>
>> "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have
>> no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the
>> board are all good candidates for the Attic.”
>>
>> I’m holding my vote for now. I would vote +1 if I don’t see sufficient
>> ability for the PMC to carry the project.
>>
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>> [1]
>> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fattic.apache.org%2Fdata=05%7C01%7Cdasmith%40vmware.com%7C37d98042d8ef49984ade08dabb0402fe%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C638027923164232642%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=gxqKYTayLzJG0r%2B4BT2ZfHjkgPN917aElv3qbsfqwoU%3Dreserved=0
>> 

Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic

[pieter van zyl]

I would vote against moving it to the attic

On Wed, Nov 2, 2022 at 10:56 PM Dan Smith  wrote:

> Any last votes on this? My current count:
>
> Binding Votes:
> 1 vote to move to the attic (Xiaojian)
>
> Non-binding votes:
> 2 votes to move to the attic (Donal and Ernie)
> 1 vote against and an offer to help maintain the project (Rupert)
>
> I'll let the dust settle for another day and then close this vote.
>
> -Dan
> --
> *From:* Xiaojian Zhou 
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 30, 2022 10:51 PM
> *To:* user@geode.apache.org ; d...@geode.apache.org
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>
> !! External Email
>
> Vote to move to attic.
>
> Regards
> Xiaojian Zhou, PMC of geode
>
> From: Dan Smith 
> Date: Friday, October 28, 2022 at 3:15 PM
> To: user@geode.apache.org , d...@geode.apache.org <
> d...@geode.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
> There is still an ongoing discussion on the private@geode list, let's go
> ahead and extend the VOTE deadline until at least Wednesday, November 2.
>
> As Anthony mentioned, only PMC member votes actually count. But all
> community members should feel free to cast their vote and help us reach a
> consensus. At the moment, I count zero PMC votes for or against this
> proposal.
>
> Thanks,
> -Dan
> 
> From: rup...@webstersystems.co.uk 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2022 12:30 PM
> To: user@geode.apache.org ; d...@geode.apache.org <
> d...@geode.apache.org>
> Subject: RE: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>
> ‼ External Email
>
> Hello, I vote to keep an open source version.
> Volunteer for PMC.
> Please ping me.
> Cheers.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Anthony Baker 
> Sent: 25 October 2022 18:38
> To: d...@geode.apache.org
> Cc: user@geode.apache.org
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Move geode to the attic
>
> I added the user@ list for visibility.
>
> I believe the purpose of taking a VOTE here is to look for community
> consensus on this idea and perhaps find new people interested in carrying
> the project forward. The votes of the existing PMC members are the ones
> that count, just like for a release. Quoting from [1]:
>
> "There are two expected mechanisms by which a project may enter the Attic.
> Either the managing Project Management Committee (PMC) decides it would
> like to move the project, or The Apache Software Foundation's board
> dissolves the PMC and chooses to move the project.”
>
> And
>
> "Projects whose PMC are unable to muster 3 votes for a release, who have
> no active committers or are unable to fulfill their reporting duties to the
> board are all good candidates for the Attic.”
>
> I’m holding my vote for now. I would vote +1 if I don’t see sufficient
> ability for the PMC to carry the project.
>
>
> Anthony
>
> [1]
> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fattic.apache.org%2Fdata=05%7C01%7Cdasmith%40vmware.com%7C37d98042d8ef49984ade08dabb0402fe%7Cb39138ca3cee4b4aa4d6cd83d9dd62f0%7C0%7C0%7C638027923164232642%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=gxqKYTayLzJG0r%2B4BT2ZfHjkgPN917aElv3qbsfqwoU%3Dreserved=0
> 
>
>
> > On Oct 24, 2022, at 10:51 AM, Dan Smith 
> wrote:
> >
> > ⚠ External Email
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Last week we discussed moving Geode to the attic [1]. I'm sad to find us
> at this point. But given that we will soon be without three active members
> to form a functional PMC, it's time to put this to a vote. I propose we
> dissolve the Geode PMC and move the Geode project to the attic.
> >
> > Please cast your vote by Monday Oct 31st.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Dan
> >
> > [1]
>