[libreoffice-users] Re: Draw's capacity was reduced after 4.1.1.2 and became very low after the last Win 8 update
Come on, Paul, the files are very small by modern standards. Another user sent me a file with close to 30K objects. This onewas slow, but mainly because LO is so inefficient. I turned back to 4.05, this one workswith my files. On 9/20/2013 4:49 PM, Paul-6 [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote: On Fri, 20 Sep 2013 13:13:04 -0700 (PDT) mxkuzn [hidden email] /user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4074940i=0 wrote: No Paul, there were no such issuesin the past, You didn't have *any* slowdown? That's impressive. Still, I'd hate to be the one maintaining such a large file. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email] /user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4074940i=1 Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Draw-s-capacity-was-reduced-after-4-1-1-2-and-became-very-low-after-the-last-Win-8-update-tp4074503p4074940.html To unsubscribe from Draw's capacity was reduced after 4.1.1.2 and became very low after the last Win 8 update, click here http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_codenode=4074503code=bXhrdXpuQGdtYWlsLmNvbXw0MDc0NTAzfC0xOTM3MzUxMjk0. NAML http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewerid=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.namlbase=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespacebreadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Draw-s-capacity-was-reduced-after-4-1-1-2-and-became-very-low-after-the-last-Win-8-update-tp4074503p4075284.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Draw's capacity was reduced after 4.1.1.2 and became very low after the last Win 8 update
No Paul, there were no such issuesin the past, even with much bigger files opened at the same time. And I just found similar problem in Write. After certain number of pictures (not very big) it would not paste. On 9/19/2013 2:30 PM, Paul-6 [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote: On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 20:41:30 -0700 (PDT) mxkuzn [hidden email] /user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4074826i=0 wrote: Re: Go. It's not hard to surpass 3K limit if you keep multiple related layouts in one filelike I do. I need hundreds of them at this stage, each has 200-300 objects, and graphical preview in Draw was very helpful. What exactly are you trying to do? If you're needing multiple game diagrams, wouldn't a specialised tool (like Drago) be better? Or turn each game diagram into its own image before including them in the file. And why does it all have to be in one file? I think any program will likely have speed if not stability issues with files of that many components. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email] /user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4074826i=1 Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Draw-s-capacity-was-reduced-after-4-1-1-2-and-became-very-low-after-the-last-Win-8-update-tp4074503p4074826.html To unsubscribe from Draw's capacity was reduced after 4.1.1.2 and became very low after the last Win 8 update, click here http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_codenode=4074503code=bXhrdXpuQGdtYWlsLmNvbXw0MDc0NTAzfC0xOTM3MzUxMjk0. NAML http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewerid=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.namlbase=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespacebreadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Draw-s-capacity-was-reduced-after-4-1-1-2-and-became-very-low-after-the-last-Win-8-update-tp4074503p4074939.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Draw's capacity was reduced after 4.1.1.2 and became very low after the last Win 8 update
Hello, I am trying to use Draw for creating pictures having large number of simple objects, up to several thousands of them per file. To give you some idea, think of the games of go or checkers. Yesterday I was able to keep several such files open at the same time (I knew if I opened too many files LO would die with generalized diagnostics message, and this started happening only after I installed LO 4.1.1.2). Today, after installing the latest Windows update, I found that I could hardly open only one of those files. I really thought I lost it. Fortunately it opened after I closed everything else. Attempting to open a second file at first I saw an empty window with moving green progress indicator bar. At some moment the window would silently disappear. The moment of disappearance apparently depended on the size of the open file. I found that I was able to open two small files. The bigger was the first file, the sooner the process opening the second file would die. I have the latest JRE (1.7.0_40). Increasing LO's memory settings did not change anything. Update: I can now tell that the same crush happens as I add the objects to the drawing. Working with a file I copied around 200 objects at once and tried to past them. The window silently disappeared (another one opened at this time survived). Apparently I saw the number of objects (or some other parameter) restricted two times: first in LO 4.1.1.2 (but at least I was receiving diagnostic message and was able to recover the file), next with the latest update of Windows 8, and this time it got bad. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Draw-s-capacity-was-reduced-after-4-1-1-2-and-became-very-low-after-the-last-Win-8-update-tp4074503.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Draw's capacity was reduced after 4.1.1.2 and became very low after the last Win 8 update
I certainly did try memory settings, and I mentioned it. I am playing with LO right now. Apparently it goes down the sink at 3000 objects. Yes, it was not doing this before. The very same files were OK just couple days ago. Thank you for your input! On 9/17/2013 3:02 PM, steveedmonds [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote: Hi. On 2013-09-18 02:47, mxkuzn wrote: Hello, I am trying to use Draw for creating pictures having large number of simple objects, up to several thousands of them per file. To give you some idea, think of the games of go or checkers. Yesterday I was able to keep several such files open at the same time (I knew if I opened too many files LO would die with generalized diagnostics message, and this started happening only after I installed LO 4.1.1.2). Today, after installing the latest Windows update, I found that I could hardly open only one of those files. I really thought I lost it. Fortunately it opened after I closed everything else. Attempting to open a second file at first I saw an empty window with moving green progress indicator bar. At some moment the window would silently disappear. The moment of disappearance apparently depended on the size of the open file. I found that I was able to open two small files. The bigger was the first file, the sooner the process opening the second file would die. I have the latest JRE (1.7.0_40). Increasing LO's memory settings did not change anything. Update: I can now tell that the same crush happens as I add the objects to the drawing. Working with a file I copied around 200 objects at once and tried to past them. The window silently disappeared (another one opened at this time survived). Apparently I saw the number of objects (or some other parameter) restricted two times: first in LO 4.1.1.2 (but at least I was receiving diagnostic message and was able to recover the file), next with the latest update of Windows 8, and this time it got bad. I am still using LO 3.6, but can open documents with more than 2 objects. Have you looked at the memory settings under OptionsLibreofficeMemory. Steve -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email] /user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4074541i=0 Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Draw-s-capacity-was-reduced-after-4-1-1-2-and-became-very-low-after-the-last-Win-8-update-tp4074503p4074541.html To unsubscribe from Draw's capacity was reduced after 4.1.1.2 and became very low after the last Win 8 update, click here http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_codenode=4074503code=bXhrdXpuQGdtYWlsLmNvbXw0MDc0NTAzfC0xOTM3MzUxMjk0. NAML http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewerid=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.namlbase=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespacebreadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Draw-s-capacity-was-reduced-after-4-1-1-2-and-became-very-low-after-the-last-Win-8-update-tp4074503p4074551.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Draw's capacity was reduced after 4.1.1.2 and became very low after the last Win 8 update
Just reset Draw template to default one, opened new file and created 1000 0.12 filled circles (changed the filling color from the default one). Arranged them into rectangle 25x40. Copied and pasted the whole thing 2 times - that's 3000. It worked. Pasted one more time, tried to save. Got LO has stopped working (from Windows). Successfully recovered (all 4000) circles, was able to save and reopen the file correctly. Opened new Draw page, copied and pasted another 1000 (5000 total count), tried to save - LO died with the same Windows message. Recovered, and the new page was not there. I have Thinkpad W510, Windows 8/64, fully updated. LO Version: 4.1.1.2. Memory settings: Number of steps - 25 Use for LibreOffice: 200MB Memory per object: 1.0MB File size (compressed) 30K. And, once again,I started having this problem in 4.1.1.2 and it became strangling after the latest windows update. _trying_to_break_it_01.odg http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4074556/_trying_to_break_it_01.odg -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Draw-s-capacity-was-reduced-after-4-1-1-2-and-became-very-low-after-the-last-Win-8-update-tp4074503p4074556.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Draw's capacity was reduced after 4.1.1.2 and became very low after the last Win 8 update
Thank you very much Paul, I was able to create tens of thousands objects too, and it was fine until I tried to save them. My initial problem was different: I could not open a second big file,but the cause was probably the same, so I choose a simpler way to demonstrate thisbehavior. Re: Go. It's not hard to surpass 3K limit if you keep multiple related layouts in one filelike I do. I need hundreds of them at this stage, each has 200-300 objects, and graphical preview in Draw was very helpful. Thank you George On 9/17/2013 8:51 PM, Paul-6 [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote: Hi mxkuzn, I can verify your findings. I am running LO 4.1.1.2 on Windows 7 64bit. I tried creating a 25x40 grid of filled circles, 0.3cmx0.3cm. This worked, and I could save. I copied this grid onto a new page, so 2000 circles, and I could save. I copied this onto another new page, so 3000 circles, and when I tried to save, LO crashed. Consistantly, saving at or above 3000 circles crashes LO, and recovery does not get it back. I can create more than 3000 circles, I went all the way up to 20 pages, so 2 circles, and apart from each successive paste getting slower and slower, up to almost 10 seconds per paste, there was no sign of crashes, until I tried to save. This is a relatively fresh, and default, install, and I haven't played with any memory settings. I have no idea if this would work for me on previous versions of LO, I've never tried anything like it. To give you some idea, think of the games of go or checkers. I play Go. I was wondering what you are trying to do; I can't think of anything Go related that would require that many items. Regards Paul On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:33:22 -0700 (PDT) mxkuzn [hidden email] /user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4074569i=0 wrote: Just reset Draw template to default one, opened new file and created 1000 0.12 filled circles (changed the filling color from the default one). Arranged them into rectangle 25x40. Copied and pasted the whole thing 2 times - that's 3000. It worked. Pasted one more time, tried to save. Got LO has stopped working (from Windows). Successfully recovered (all 4000) circles, was able to save and reopen the file correctly. Opened new Draw page, copied and pasted another 1000 (5000 total count), tried to save - LO died with the same Windows message. Recovered, and the new page was not there. I have Thinkpad W510, Windows 8/64, fully updated. LO Version: 4.1.1.2. Memory settings: Number of steps - 25 Use for LibreOffice: 200MB Memory per object: 1.0MB File size (compressed) 30K. And, once again,I started having this problem in 4.1.1.2 and it became strangling after the latest windows update. _trying_to_break_it_01.odg http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4074556/_trying_to_break_it_01.odg -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Draw-s-capacity-was-reduced-after-4-1-1-2-and-became-very-low-after-the-last-Win-8-update-tp4074503p4074556.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email] /user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4074569i=1 Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Draw-s-capacity-was-reduced-after-4-1-1-2-and-became-very-low-after-the-last-Win-8-update-tp4074503p4074569.html To unsubscribe from Draw's capacity was reduced after 4.1.1.2 and became very low after the last Win 8 update, click here http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_codenode=4074503code=bXhrdXpuQGdtYWlsLmNvbXw0MDc0NTAzfC0xOTM3MzUxMjk0. NAML http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewerid=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.namlbase=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespacebreadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Draw-s-capacity-was-reduced-after-4-1-1-2-and-became-very-low-after-the-last-Win-8-update-tp4074503p4074573.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive
[libreoffice-users] Re: Draw's capacity was reduced after 4.1.1.2 and became very low after the last Win 8 update
Most importantly, guys, I created those files in Draw and had no problems keeping any number of them open without even thinking of memory settings. I mean, until the latest updates. On 9/17/2013 8:51 PM, Paul-6 [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote: Hi mxkuzn, I can verify your findings. I am running LO 4.1.1.2 on Windows 7 64bit. I tried creating a 25x40 grid of filled circles, 0.3cmx0.3cm. This worked, and I could save. I copied this grid onto a new page, so 2000 circles, and I could save. I copied this onto another new page, so 3000 circles, and when I tried to save, LO crashed. Consistantly, saving at or above 3000 circles crashes LO, and recovery does not get it back. I can create more than 3000 circles, I went all the way up to 20 pages, so 2 circles, and apart from each successive paste getting slower and slower, up to almost 10 seconds per paste, there was no sign of crashes, until I tried to save. This is a relatively fresh, and default, install, and I haven't played with any memory settings. I have no idea if this would work for me on previous versions of LO, I've never tried anything like it. To give you some idea, think of the games of go or checkers. I play Go. I was wondering what you are trying to do; I can't think of anything Go related that would require that many items. Regards Paul On Tue, 17 Sep 2013 14:33:22 -0700 (PDT) mxkuzn [hidden email] /user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4074569i=0 wrote: Just reset Draw template to default one, opened new file and created 1000 0.12 filled circles (changed the filling color from the default one). Arranged them into rectangle 25x40. Copied and pasted the whole thing 2 times - that's 3000. It worked. Pasted one more time, tried to save. Got LO has stopped working (from Windows). Successfully recovered (all 4000) circles, was able to save and reopen the file correctly. Opened new Draw page, copied and pasted another 1000 (5000 total count), tried to save - LO died with the same Windows message. Recovered, and the new page was not there. I have Thinkpad W510, Windows 8/64, fully updated. LO Version: 4.1.1.2. Memory settings: Number of steps - 25 Use for LibreOffice: 200MB Memory per object: 1.0MB File size (compressed) 30K. And, once again,I started having this problem in 4.1.1.2 and it became strangling after the latest windows update. _trying_to_break_it_01.odg http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/file/n4074556/_trying_to_break_it_01.odg -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Draw-s-capacity-was-reduced-after-4-1-1-2-and-became-very-low-after-the-last-Win-8-update-tp4074503p4074556.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: [hidden email] /user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=4074569i=1 Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Draw-s-capacity-was-reduced-after-4-1-1-2-and-became-very-low-after-the-last-Win-8-update-tp4074503p4074569.html To unsubscribe from Draw's capacity was reduced after 4.1.1.2 and became very low after the last Win 8 update, click here http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_codenode=4074503code=bXhrdXpuQGdtYWlsLmNvbXw0MDc0NTAzfC0xOTM3MzUxMjk0. NAML http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=macro_viewerid=instant_html%21nabble%3Aemail.namlbase=nabble.naml.namespaces.BasicNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NabbleNamespace-nabble.view.web.template.NodeNamespacebreadcrumbs=notify_subscribers%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-instant_emails%21nabble%3Aemail.naml-send_instant_email%21nabble%3Aemail.naml -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Draw-s-capacity-was-reduced-after-4-1-1-2-and-became-very-low-after-the-last-Win-8-update-tp4074503p4074574.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
