[libreoffice-users] Re: Frustrated Base Users / Errors in Base 3.3 (OO 3.2 work beautifully)

2011-02-09 Thread emarkay

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Frustrated Base Users / Errors in Base 3.3 (OO 3.2 work beautifully)

2011-02-09 Thread Andreas Säger

Tony,
The forms in the embedded database you attached to issue 116878 work for 
me in OOo 3.3 and LibreOffice as well.


Tested under XUbuntu(xfce) with Oracle Java 1.6.0.22

You are right, stating that the form documents are Writer doucuments and 
LibO has development capacities for Writer, but forms with controls can 
be attached to any type of office document. They are more like OLE 
objects, charts or math formulas. The whole functionality of a bound 
form is related to the functionality of the underlying database and its 
driver.



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Frustrated Base Users / Errors in Base 3.3 (OO 3.2 work beautifully)

2011-02-08 Thread Andreas Säger

Am 08.02.2011 13:13, Tony Smith wrote:

Hi All

Firstly, I'd like to say that I don't completely agree with Andreas
Säger's, post

http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/www/users/msg02064.html

Firstly, I have been using OpenOffice from pre version 1 days, and I
have to say, when Base reached the 3.2 release it was very good, in fact
3.1 & 3.2 versions of Base are very good, and if you want to see what
can be achieved with Base, have a look here



Hi Tony,

Everybody is utilizing this development tool in different ways.

Three issues reported by me. They stopped working from 3.1 to 3.2:
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=109549 (filtered data 
uneditable)
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=109726 (affects many 
users trying to do a mail merge from spreadsheet, "everybody" uses 
spreadsheets for merging without noticing how Base is involved)
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=108390 (no 
"add-data-only" forms)


The 3rd one hit me hard in version 2.4.0 and again in 3.2.x
My form design quite often relies on "new-data-only" subforms inheriting 
default data from a parent form. Other "new-data-only" forms  allow 
quick insertion of new foreign key items.


Since 3.3 I can continue working as I used to in 3.1.1.
3.0 as well as 3.1 had release stoppers in the Base component.
Personally, I am not seriously affected by the current Base issues. 
Again, these issues are about things that stopped working from 3.2 to 
3.3 in one build or the other one.


IMHO, the whole thing is very unstable albeit developing very slowly. 
What has been added since version 2.0? Things that should have been 
working right from the start plus syntax highlighting in the SQL editor 
plus report builder which demonstrates the potential of database 
connectivity. However, the report builder can not help building a 
working desktop database. It sits on the other end of the data pipeline.


According to Alexander Thurgood there are zero LibO devs working on 
Base. Therefore I tried to outline how this component could be reduced 
to its core functionality without losing any capability except for 
useless wizards and the hazardous single-file database. These obsolete 
features (wizards and embeded HSQLDB) are entirely coded in Java.


Greetings,
Andreas


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Frustrated Base Users / Errors in Base 3.3 (OO 3.2 work beautifully)

2011-02-08 Thread Keith Bates

On 09/02/11 02:05, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 08/02/11 13:13, Tony Smith a écrit :

Hi Tony,


What makes the issues with Base 3.3 worse is that there is no
consistency in the bugs, as you will see by reading my posts to the
above bug report. NONE of these issues occurred in OO 3.2. This
unfortunately reflects really badly on the Open Source community
altogether, surely cannot the coding for Base be regressed to how it was
in 3.2, until the changes that were attempted in 3.3 can be more
thoroughly tested.


Well I am staying with OOo 3.2.1 until things get better (if they ever
do). Working with Base as it "evolves" (and I use that word lightly) is
like running a marathon and hitting "the wall" at every version change...


Alex


I've given LO a couple of goes over the last few weeks and I just find 
the Base component is unusable.


Forms that worked flawlessly on OO for several years suddenly don't 
work. One thing that I noticed is that for some reason LO resets to the 
original defaults randomly between uses-- fonts, macro security, 
background colours etc.


The problem with this is the frustration of having to go back to the 
"Options" menu and put things back to the way that works for me, and 
then having to re-register databases.


I've switched between LO and OO about 4 times hoping that I could get LO 
to work consistently, but it doesn't.


Unfortunately I've had to revert to Open Office for now.

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[libreoffice-users] Re: Frustrated Base Users / Errors in Base 3.3 (OO 3.2 work beautifully)

2011-02-08 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 08/02/11 13:13, Tony Smith a écrit :

Hi Tony,

> What makes the issues with Base 3.3 worse is that there is no
> consistency in the bugs, as you will see by reading my posts to the
> above bug report. NONE of these issues occurred in OO 3.2. This
> unfortunately reflects really badly on the Open Source community
> altogether, surely cannot the coding for Base be regressed to how it was
> in 3.2, until the changes that were attempted in 3.3 can be more
> thoroughly tested.
> 

Well I am staying with OOo 3.2.1 until things get better (if they ever
do). Working with Base as it "evolves" (and I use that word lightly) is
like running a marathon and hitting "the wall" at every version change...


Alex


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