Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy
Indeed, you'd start from the NPAC, which would get you, for a given TN, an LRN. Then what? -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC 303 Perimeter Center North, Suite 300 Atlanta, GA 30346 United States Tel: +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) / +1-678-954-0671 (direct) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ Sent from my BlackBerry. Original Message From: Kidd Filby Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:52 To: Carlos Alvarez Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy If I were to offer this service or database access, I would start with my own local copy of NPAC that I'd update every X-minutes a day. This product is available now and has been for a while. This is the only sure-way, I know of, to have the most accurate data to work from. Kidd On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Carlos Alvarez caalva...@gmail.com wrote: I have a customer in market research who is legally required to manually dial calls to cell phones. Right now they are considering abandoning all of their auto/predictive dialer software and going to manual dial for everything, because the list-scrubbing services have been shown to be inaccurate. There are extreme penalties for auto-dialing a cell phone, and best effort is NOT a defense to this, at all. For example, Gallup just settle a claim for $12M. So they need a totally accurate way to prevent a cell phone call from originating from their dialer. The only thing I can think of is some sort of LRN dip + LRN-to-carrier-type response. One of their people talked to Neustar, but didn't get great answers because he doesn't really understand telephony. Before I get in touch with Neustar, I thought I'd see if people here have some ideas. If you provide a commercial product for this, please feel free to tell me so on or off list, the customer is willing to pay for the service and we're open to all options. I don't have a budget number yet but manual dialing is going to cost them quite a bit for some types of studies. ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops -- Kidd Filby 661.557.5640 (C) http://www.linkedin.com/in/kiddfilby ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy
It could be anytime the *LEC still has the entire A block. As far as how common it is I can't really say. My cell phone and childhood phone number are both native routed. Wireline: http://www.localcallingguide.com/lca_prefix.php?npa=732nxx=363 Wireless: http://www.localcallingguide.com/lca_prefix.php?npa=201nxx=320 James Milko Architect, Network Engineering 900 Main Campus Drive Raleigh, NC 27606 Bandwidth http://www.bandwidth.com/business/ On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Alex Balashov abalas...@evaristesys.com wrote: Aren't 95%+ rate centres pooled these days? If so, they'd still have LRNs, since LRN-guided routing is a requirement of pooling. So, who still has non-pooled 10K blocks? Is that common in metro, or largely a trait of rural LECs? -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC 303 Perimeter Center North, Suite 300 Atlanta, GA 30346 United States Tel: +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) / +1-678-954-0671 (direct) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ Sent from my BlackBerry. *From: *James Milko *Sent: *Wednesday, August 19, 2015 13:32 *To: *Alex Balashov *Cc: *VoiceOps *Subject: *Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy NPAC has a service type field that indicates wireless/wireline. That doesn't solve for native numbers though since they won't have LRN data since they don't have LRNs. I don't remember offhand if LERG has a wireless/wireline indication for a given [A]OCN or block. James Milko Architect, Network Engineering 900 Main Campus Drive Raleigh, NC 27606 Bandwidth http://www.bandwidth.com/business/ On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Alex Balashov abalas...@evaristesys.com wrote: Indeed, you'd start from the NPAC, which would get you, for a given TN, an LRN. Then what? -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC 303 Perimeter Center North, Suite 300 Atlanta, GA 30346 United States Tel: +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) / +1-678-954-0671 (direct) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ Sent from my BlackBerry. Original Message From: Kidd Filby Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:52 To: Carlos Alvarez Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy If I were to offer this service or database access, I would start with my own local copy of NPAC that I'd update every X-minutes a day. This product is available now and has been for a while. This is the only sure-way, I know of, to have the most accurate data to work from. Kidd On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Carlos Alvarez caalva...@gmail.com wrote: I have a customer in market research who is legally required to manually dial calls to cell phones. Right now they are considering abandoning all of their auto/predictive dialer software and going to manual dial for everything, because the list-scrubbing services have been shown to be inaccurate. There are extreme penalties for auto-dialing a cell phone, and best effort is NOT a defense to this, at all. For example, Gallup just settle a claim for $12M. So they need a totally accurate way to prevent a cell phone call from originating from their dialer. The only thing I can think of is some sort of LRN dip + LRN-to-carrier-type response. One of their people talked to Neustar, but didn't get great answers because he doesn't really understand telephony. Before I get in touch with Neustar, I thought I'd see if people here have some ideas. If you provide a commercial product for this, please feel free to tell me so on or off list, the customer is willing to pay for the service and we're open to all options. I don't have a budget number yet but manual dialing is going to cost them quite a bit for some types of studies. ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops -- Kidd Filby 661.557.5640 (C) http://www.linkedin.com/in/kiddfilby ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy
Yeah, poking around metro Atlanta, which is quite pooled, there do seem to be quite a few A block assignments floating around.--AlexBalashov|Principal|EvaristeSystemsLLC303PerimeterCenterNorth,Suite300Atlanta,GA30346UnitedStatesTel:+1-800-250-5920(toll-free)/+1-678-954-0671(direct)Web:http://www.evaristesys.com/,http://www.csrpswitch.com/SentfrommyBlackBerry.From: James MilkoSent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 13:57To: Alex BalashovCc: VoiceOpsSubject: Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracyIt could be anytime the *LEC still has the entire A block. As far as how common it is I can't really say. My cell phone and childhood phone number are both native routed.Wireline:http://www.localcallingguide.com/lca_prefix.php?npa=732nxx=363Wireless:http://www.localcallingguide.com/lca_prefix.php?npa=201nxx=320James MilkoArchitect, Network Engineering900 Main Campus DriveRaleigh, NC 27606Bandwidth On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 1:39 PM, Alex Balashov abalas...@evaristesys.com wrote: Aren't 95%+ rate centres pooled these days? If so, they'd still have LRNs, since LRN-guided routing is a requirement of pooling. So, who still has non-pooled 10K blocks? Is that common in metro, or largely a trait of rural LECs?--AlexBalashov|Principal|EvaristeSystemsLLC303PerimeterCenterNorth,Suite300Atlanta,GA30346UnitedStatesTel:+1-800-250-5920(toll-free)/+1-678-954-0671(direct)Web:http://www.evaristesys.com/,http://www.csrpswitch.com/SentfrommyBlackBerry.From: James MilkoSent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 13:32To: Alex BalashovCc: VoiceOpsSubject: Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracyNPAC has a service type field that indicates wireless/wireline. That doesn't solve for native numbers though since they won't have LRN data since they don't have LRNs. I don't remember offhand if LERG has a wireless/wireline indication for a given [A]OCN or block.James MilkoArchitect, Network Engineering900 Main Campus DriveRaleigh, NC 27606BandwidthOn Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Alex Balashov abalas...@evaristesys.com wrote:Indeed, you'd start from the NPAC, which would get you, for a given TN, an LRN. Then what? -- AlexBalashov|Principal|EvaristeSystemsLLC 303PerimeterCenterNorth,Suite300 Atlanta,GA30346 UnitedStates Tel:+1-800-250-5920(toll-free)/+1-678-954-0671 (direct) Web:http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ SentfrommyBlackBerry. Original Message From: Kidd Filby Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:52 To: Carlos Alvarez Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy If I were to offer this service or database access, I would start with my own local copy of NPAC that I'd update every X-minutes a day. This product is available now and has been for a while. This is the only sure-way, I know of, to have the most accurate data to work from. Kidd On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Carlos Alvarez caalva...@gmail.com wrote: I have a customer in market research who is legally required to manually dial calls to cell phones. Right now they are considering abandoning all of their auto/predictive dialer software and going to manual dial for everything, because the list-scrubbing services have been shown to be inaccurate. There are extreme penalties for auto-dialing a cell phone, and "best effort" is NOT a defense to this, at all. For example, Gallup just settle a claim for $12M. So they need a totally accurate way to prevent a cell phone call from originating from their dialer. The only thing I can think of is some sort ofLRN dip + LRN-to-carrier-type response. One of their people talked to Neustar, but didn't get great answers because he doesn't really understand telephony. Before I get in touch with
Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy
Aren't 95%+ rate centres pooled these days? If so, they'd still have LRNs, since LRN-guided routing is a requirement of pooling. So, who still has non-pooled 10K blocks? Is that common in metro, or largely a trait of rural LECs?--AlexBalashov|Principal|EvaristeSystemsLLC303PerimeterCenterNorth,Suite300Atlanta,GA30346UnitedStatesTel:+1-800-250-5920(toll-free)/+1-678-954-0671(direct)Web:http://www.evaristesys.com/,http://www.csrpswitch.com/SentfrommyBlackBerry.From: James MilkoSent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 13:32To: Alex BalashovCc: VoiceOpsSubject: Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracyNPAC has a service type field that indicates wireless/wireline. That doesn't solve for native numbers though since they won't have LRN data since they don't have LRNs. I don't remember offhand if LERG has a wireless/wireline indication for a given [A]OCN or block.James MilkoArchitect, Network Engineering900 Main Campus DriveRaleigh, NC 27606BandwidthOn Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Alex Balashov abalas...@evaristesys.com wrote:Indeed, you'd start from the NPAC, which would get you, for a given TN, an LRN. Then what? -- AlexBalashov|Principal|EvaristeSystemsLLC 303PerimeterCenterNorth,Suite300 Atlanta,GA30346 UnitedStates Tel:+1-800-250-5920(toll-free)/+1-678-954-0671 (direct) Web:http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ SentfrommyBlackBerry. Original Message From: Kidd Filby Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:52 To: Carlos Alvarez Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy If I were to offer this service or database access, I would start with my own local copy of NPAC that I'd update every X-minutes a day. This product is available now and has been for a while. This is the only sure-way, I know of, to have the most accurate data to work from. Kidd On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Carlos Alvarez caalva...@gmail.com wrote: I have a customer in market research who is legally required to manually dial calls to cell phones. Right now they are considering abandoning all of their auto/predictive dialer software and going to manual dial for everything, because the list-scrubbing services have been shown to be inaccurate. There are extreme penalties for auto-dialing a cell phone, and "best effort" is NOT a defense to this, at all. For example, Gallup just settle a claim for $12M. So they need a totally accurate way to prevent a cell phone call from originating from their dialer. The only thing I can think of is some sort ofLRN dip + LRN-to-carrier-type response. One of their people talked to Neustar, but didn't get great answers because he doesn't really understand telephony. Before I get in touch with Neustar, I thought I'd see if people here have some ideas. If you provide a commercial product for this, please feel free to tell me so on or off list, the customer is willing to pay for the service and we're open to all options. I don't have a budget number yet but manual dialing is going to cost them quite a bit for some types of studies. ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops -- Kidd Filby 661.557.5640(C) http://www.linkedin.com/in/kiddfilby ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy
Thanks, Mary Lou. But does the NPAC have any such fields as well?Incidentally, where are the COCTYPE/SSC/COTYPE fields in the LERG? I was just getting the operator designation from LERG1, and mapping LRNs from LERG12.Keep in mind I'm viewing lergdata.mdb on Linux, and that's an enormous pain and doesn't lend itself to easy exploration. :-)--AlexBalashov|Principal|EvaristeSystemsLLC303PerimeterCenterNorth,Suite300Atlanta,GA30346UnitedStatesTel:+1-800-250-5920(toll-free)/+1-678-954-0671(direct)Web:http://www.evaristesys.com/,http://www.csrpswitch.com/SentfrommyBlackBerry.From: Mary Lou CareySent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 13:59To: Alex Balashov; James MilkoReply To: Mary Lou CareyCc: VoiceOpsSubject: Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy I am an AOCN and yes the LERG has fields that differentiates between wireline and wireless. There are actually three fields that you could filter by: COCTYPE: Identifies the type of code SSC: Identifies the type of service COTYPE: Identifies the type of carrier Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting 615-791-9969 On August 19, 2015 at 12:32 PM James Milko jmi...@bandwidth.com wrote: NPAC has a service type field that indicates wireless/wireline. That doesn't solve for native numbers though since they won't have LRN data since they don't have LRNs. I don't remember offhand if LERG has a wireless/wireline indication for a given [A]OCN or block. James Milko Architect, Network Engineering 900 Main Campus Drive Raleigh, NC 27606 Bandwidth On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Alex Balashov abalas...@evaristesys.com wrote: Indeed, you'd start from the NPAC, which would get you, for a given TN, an LRN. Then what? -- AlexBalashov|Principal|EvaristeSystemsLLC 303PerimeterCenterNorth,Suite300 Atlanta,GA30346 UnitedStates Tel:+1-800-250-5920(toll-free)/+1-678-954-0671 (direct) Web:http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ SentfrommyBlackBerry. Original Message From: Kidd Filby Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:52 To: Carlos Alvarez Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy If I were to offer this service or database access, I would start with my own local copy of NPAC that I'd update every X-minutes a day. This product is available now and has been for a while. This is the only sure-way, I know of, to have the most accurate data to work from. Kidd On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Carlos Alvarez caalva...@gmail.com wrote: I have a customer in market research who is legally required to manually dial calls to cell phones. Right now they are considering abandoning all of their auto/predictive dialer software and going to manual dial for everything, because the list-scrubbing services have been shown to be inaccurate. There are extreme penalties for auto-dialing a cell phone, and "best effort" is NOT a defense to this, at all. For example, Gallup just settle a claim for $12M. So they need a totally accurate way to prevent a cell phone call from originating from their dialer. The only thing I can think of is some sort ofLRN dip + LRN-to-carrier-type response. One of their people talked to Neustar, but didn't get great answers because he doesn't really understand telephony. Before I get in touch with Neustar, I thought I'd see if people here have some ideas. If you provide a commercial product for this, please feel free to tell me so on or off list, the customer is willing to pay for the service and we're open to all options. I don't have a budget number yet but manual dialing is going to cost them quite a bit for some types of studies. ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops -- Kidd Filby 661.557.5640(C) http://www.linkedin.com/in/kiddfilby ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops ___VoiceOps mailing listVoiceOps@voiceops.orghttps://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops Mary Lou CareyBackUP Telecom Consultingmary...@backuptelecom.comOffice: 615-791-9969Cell: 615-796- ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy
NPAC has a service type field that indicates wireless/wireline. That doesn't solve for native numbers though since they won't have LRN data since they don't have LRNs. I don't remember offhand if LERG has a wireless/wireline indication for a given [A]OCN or block. James Milko Architect, Network Engineering 900 Main Campus Drive Raleigh, NC 27606 Bandwidth http://www.bandwidth.com/business/ On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Alex Balashov abalas...@evaristesys.com wrote: Indeed, you'd start from the NPAC, which would get you, for a given TN, an LRN. Then what? -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC 303 Perimeter Center North, Suite 300 Atlanta, GA 30346 United States Tel: +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) / +1-678-954-0671 (direct) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ Sent from my BlackBerry. Original Message From: Kidd Filby Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:52 To: Carlos Alvarez Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy If I were to offer this service or database access, I would start with my own local copy of NPAC that I'd update every X-minutes a day. This product is available now and has been for a while. This is the only sure-way, I know of, to have the most accurate data to work from. Kidd On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Carlos Alvarez caalva...@gmail.com wrote: I have a customer in market research who is legally required to manually dial calls to cell phones. Right now they are considering abandoning all of their auto/predictive dialer software and going to manual dial for everything, because the list-scrubbing services have been shown to be inaccurate. There are extreme penalties for auto-dialing a cell phone, and best effort is NOT a defense to this, at all. For example, Gallup just settle a claim for $12M. So they need a totally accurate way to prevent a cell phone call from originating from their dialer. The only thing I can think of is some sort of LRN dip + LRN-to-carrier-type response. One of their people talked to Neustar, but didn't get great answers because he doesn't really understand telephony. Before I get in touch with Neustar, I thought I'd see if people here have some ideas. If you provide a commercial product for this, please feel free to tell me so on or off list, the customer is willing to pay for the service and we're open to all options. I don't have a budget number yet but manual dialing is going to cost them quite a bit for some types of studies. ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops -- Kidd Filby 661.557.5640 (C) http://www.linkedin.com/in/kiddfilby ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy
I know a guy who runs a site that sells the npa nxx to carrier type at a fraction of the lerg costs On Aug 19, 2015 11:39 AM, Alex Balashov abalas...@evaristesys.com wrote: Indeed, you'd start from the NPAC, which would get you, for a given TN, an LRN. Then what? -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC 303 Perimeter Center North, Suite 300 Atlanta, GA 30346 United States Tel: +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) / +1-678-954-0671 (direct) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ Sent from my BlackBerry. Original Message From: Kidd Filby Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:52 To: Carlos Alvarez Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy If I were to offer this service or database access, I would start with my own local copy of NPAC that I'd update every X-minutes a day. This product is available now and has been for a while. This is the only sure-way, I know of, to have the most accurate data to work from. Kidd On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Carlos Alvarez caalva...@gmail.com wrote: I have a customer in market research who is legally required to manually dial calls to cell phones. Right now they are considering abandoning all of their auto/predictive dialer software and going to manual dial for everything, because the list-scrubbing services have been shown to be inaccurate. There are extreme penalties for auto-dialing a cell phone, and best effort is NOT a defense to this, at all. For example, Gallup just settle a claim for $12M. So they need a totally accurate way to prevent a cell phone call from originating from their dialer. The only thing I can think of is some sort of LRN dip + LRN-to-carrier-type response. One of their people talked to Neustar, but didn't get great answers because he doesn't really understand telephony. Before I get in touch with Neustar, I thought I'd see if people here have some ideas. If you provide a commercial product for this, please feel free to tell me so on or off list, the customer is willing to pay for the service and we're open to all options. I don't have a budget number yet but manual dialing is going to cost them quite a bit for some types of studies. ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops -- Kidd Filby 661.557.5640 (C) http://www.linkedin.com/in/kiddfilby ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy
LERG 6 also has a portable indicator so you can tie into that when you are pulling information from NPAC, but you can also tell somewhat because all 10 thousand blocks of the non-portable blocks are only assigned to one carrier. There are still many rural areas that are not in mandatory pooling areas because the NPA doesn't warrant it! Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting 615-791-9969 On August 19, 2015 at 1:37 PM Kidd Filby kiddfi...@gmail.com wrote: I know there are certain areas around the country that are not portable for a few reasons. One reason is when they are served off of a remote switch, they have elaborate e911 trunking schemes and must remain on that switch to properly function in an isolation-type scenario. Kidd On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Alex Balashov abalas...@evaristesys.com mailto:abalas...@evaristesys.com wrote: Aren't 95%+ rate centres pooled these days? If so, they'd still have LRNs, since LRN-guided routing is a requirement of pooling. So, who still has non-pooled 10K blocks? Is that common in metro, or largely a trait of rural LECs? -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC 303 Perimeter Center North, Suite 300 Atlanta, GA 30346 United States Tel: +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) / +1-678-954-0671 (direct) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ Sent from my BlackBerry. From: James Milko Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 13:32 To: Alex Balashov Cc: VoiceOps Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy NPAC has a service type field that indicates wireless/wireline. That doesn't solve for native numbers though since they won't have LRN data since they don't have LRNs. I don't remember offhand if LERG has a wireless/wireline indication for a given [A]OCN or block. James Milko Architect, Network Engineering 900 Main Campus Drive Raleigh, NC 27606 Bandwidth http://www.bandwidth.com/business/ On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 11:39 AM, Alex Balashov abalas...@evaristesys.com mailto:abalas...@evaristesys.com wrote: Indeed, you'd start from the NPAC, which would get you, for a given TN, an LRN. Then what? -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC 303 Perimeter Center North, Suite 300 Atlanta, GA 30346 United States Tel: +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) / +1-678-954-0671 (direct) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ Sent from my BlackBerry. Original Message From: Kidd Filby Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:52 To: Carlos Alvarez Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org mailto:voiceops@voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy If I were to offer this service or database access, I would start with my own local copy of NPAC that I'd update every X-minutes a day. This product is available now and has been for a while. This is the only sure-way, I know of, to have the most accurate data to work from. Kidd On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Carlos Alvarez caalva...@gmail.com mailto:caalva...@gmail.com wrote: I have a customer in market research who is legally required to manually dial calls to cell phones. Right now they are considering abandoning all of their auto/predictive dialer software and going to manual dial for everything, because the list-scrubbing services have been shown to be inaccurate. There are extreme penalties for auto-dialing a cell phone, and best effort is NOT a defense to this, at all. For example, Gallup just settle a claim for $12M. So they need a totally accurate way to prevent a cell phone call from originating from their dialer. The only thing I can think of is some sort of LRN dip + LRN-to-carrier-type response. One of their people talked to Neustar, but didn't get great answers because he doesn't really understand telephony. Before I get in touch with Neustar, I thought I'd see if people here have some ideas. If you provide a commercial product for this, please feel free to tell me so on or off list, the customer is willing to pay for the service and we're open to all options. I don't have a budget number yet but manual dialing is going to cost them quite a bit for some types of studies. ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org mailto:VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops -- Kidd Filby 661.557.5640 (C) http://www.linkedin.com/in/kiddfilby
Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy
Nothing as long as companies don't offer both services. Looking up the NPA-NXX of the LRN in LERG 6 would tell you both what the service is and if the NXX is portable. Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting 615-791-9969 On August 19, 2015 at 1:38 PM Alex Balashov abalas...@evaristesys.com wrote: Mary Lou, What would be wrong with the following approach? 1. Dip call, receive LRN; 2. Look up OCN from LRN in LERG12. 3. Pull carrier by OCN from LERG1, retrieve 'CATEGORY' field. -- Alex -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC 303 Perimeter Center North, Suite 300 Atlanta, GA 30346 United States Tel: +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) / +1-678-954-0671 (direct) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ Mary Lou Carey BackUP Telecom Consulting mary...@backuptelecom.com Office: 615-791-9969 Cell: 615-796-___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy
Their lists are already cleaned by NPA-NXX, it's just not sufficient any more because of LNP. Looks like the TCPA compliance product from Neustar, which someone else posted yesterday, is the best solution. Pretty cheap too. It's just indicates intermodal porting of a number with no other info. On Wed, Aug 19, 2015 at 12:40 PM Paul Timmins p...@timmins.net wrote: I know a guy who runs a site that sells the npa nxx to carrier type at a fraction of the lerg costs On Aug 19, 2015 11:39 AM, Alex Balashov abalas...@evaristesys.com wrote: Indeed, you'd start from the NPAC, which would get you, for a given TN, an LRN. Then what? -- Alex Balashov | Principal | Evariste Systems LLC 303 Perimeter Center North, Suite 300 Atlanta, GA 30346 United States Tel: +1-800-250-5920 (toll-free) / +1-678-954-0671 (direct) Web: http://www.evaristesys.com/, http://www.csrpswitch.com/ Sent from my BlackBerry. Original Message From: Kidd Filby Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2015 10:52 To: Carlos Alvarez Cc: voiceops@voiceops.org Subject: Re: [VoiceOps] Preventing calls to cell phones with guaranteed accuracy If I were to offer this service or database access, I would start with my own local copy of NPAC that I'd update every X-minutes a day. This product is available now and has been for a while. This is the only sure-way, I know of, to have the most accurate data to work from. Kidd On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 2:30 PM, Carlos Alvarez caalva...@gmail.com wrote: I have a customer in market research who is legally required to manually dial calls to cell phones. Right now they are considering abandoning all of their auto/predictive dialer software and going to manual dial for everything, because the list-scrubbing services have been shown to be inaccurate. There are extreme penalties for auto-dialing a cell phone, and best effort is NOT a defense to this, at all. For example, Gallup just settle a claim for $12M. So they need a totally accurate way to prevent a cell phone call from originating from their dialer. The only thing I can think of is some sort of LRN dip + LRN-to-carrier-type response. One of their people talked to Neustar, but didn't get great answers because he doesn't really understand telephony. Before I get in touch with Neustar, I thought I'd see if people here have some ideas. If you provide a commercial product for this, please feel free to tell me so on or off list, the customer is willing to pay for the service and we're open to all options. I don't have a budget number yet but manual dialing is going to cost them quite a bit for some types of studies. ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops -- Kidd Filby 661.557.5640 (C) http://www.linkedin.com/in/kiddfilby ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops ___ VoiceOps mailing list VoiceOps@voiceops.org https://puck.nether.net/mailman/listinfo/voiceops
