Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] The British Library releases 1 million images

[Strainu]

2013/12/17 Matthew Flaschen :
> I would actually prefer it be more explicit.  The EXIF data says "public
> domain", but Flickr says "No known copyright restrictions" (why not "public
> domain" or "CC0"?).


See https://secure.flickr.com/commons/usage/

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] The British Library releases 1 million images

[Matthew Flaschen]

On 12/16/2013 03:36 AM, Andrew Gray wrote:

Remember that while US caselaw is clear on this point, it is less clear-cut
elsewhere. We at WM tend to take a clear line that 2D reproductions are
ineligible, but it's not a guaranteed absolute truth, particularly in the
UK! We can predict how a court might rule... but they haven't yet, and
claiming copyright is a legally defensible position in many cases.

("Legally defensible" is not always "correct", of course...)

As a result, an explicit declaration is a positive thing and definitely
should not be discouraged.


I would actually prefer it be more explicit.  The EXIF data says "public 
domain", but Flickr says "No known copyright restrictions" (why not 
"public domain" or "CC0"?).


However, we can do our own standard PD-Art analysis to confirm this.

Matt Flaschen

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] The British Library releases 1 million images

[Andrew Gray]

Remember that while US caselaw is clear on this point, it is less clear-cut
elsewhere. We at WM tend to take a clear line that 2D reproductions are
ineligible, but it's not a guaranteed absolute truth, particularly in the
UK! We can predict how a court might rule... but they haven't yet, and
claiming copyright is a legally defensible position in many cases.

("Legally defensible" is not always "correct", of course...)

As a result, an explicit declaration is a positive thing and definitely
should not be discouraged.

A.
On 16 Dec 2013 04:57, "Robinson Tryon"  wrote:

> On Sun, Dec 15, 2013 at 8:36 PM, Gnangarra  wrote:
> > its more legal/copyright descriptive, that necessitates the wording than
> > just release them to the public which can still indicate they have
> > restrictions
>
> I guess I was just concerned that it was sending the wrong message re:
> the images, suggesting that the British Library had to put the images
> into the Public Domain because they (or some other entity) could still
> hold copyright to them.
>
> If it is unclear to the public that slavish reproductions of
> out-of-copyright 2D works are not themselves eligible for copyright,
> then perhaps we should work to improve that understanding. It's
> difficult for a member of the public to exercise his rights unless he
> knows to what he is entitled!
>
> --R
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Commons-l] The British Library releases 1 million images

[Andrew Gray]

I was just about to respond with this :-)

I discussed this with the BL team a few weeks before the release, and
while we could sort out the technical issues of a million items fairly
easily, it looked like the lack of metadata would make them very
unsuited for Commons.

There's nothing stopping us harvesting them individually, of course,
but I think adding a million unidentified images and saying "the
community will sort them out" would be a very quick road to my getting
beaten up ;-)

Andrew.

On 15 December 2013 17:37, Jens Best  wrote:
> Just discovered a short note of Andrew Gray, why Flickr was preferred
> instead of Commons.
> http://www.generalist.org.uk/blog/2013/mechanical-curator-on-commons/
>
>
> 2013/12/15 Jens Best 
>>
>> Thanks for the news.
>>
>> A question comes to my mind when I read this article: Why did the British
>> Library use Flickr instead of Wikimedia Commons? Maybe it has to do
>> something with a better usability of Flickr? -
>>
>> The usability of Wikimedia Commons most be increased to make it more
>> attractive to individual and institutional users. Don't you think so?
>>
>> The next steps mentioned in the article indicates good opportunities for
>> us to get involved and show the potential of an experienced platform for
>> crowdsourcing information and knowledge:
>>
>> "We are looking for new, inventive ways to navigate, find and display
>> these 'unseen illustrations'. and furtheron in the blogpost, "We plan to
>> launch a crowdsourcing application at the beginning of next year, to help
>> describe what the images portray. Our intention is to use this data to train
>> automated classifiers that will run against the whole of the content."
>>
>>
>> http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Jens
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/12/15 Emilio J. Rodríguez-Posada 
>>
>>> Quote from full announcement
>>>
>>> http://britishlibrary.typepad.co.uk/digital-scholarship/2013/12/a-million-first-steps.html
>>>
>>> We have released over a million
>>> imagesonto Flickr Commons
>>> for anyone to use, remix and repurpose. These images
>>> > were taken from the pages of 17th, 18th and 19th century books
>>> > digitised
>>> > by
>>> > Microsoftwho
>>> > then generously gifted the scanned images to us, allowing us to release
>>> > them back into the Public Domain. The images themselves cover a
>>> > startling
>>> > mix of subjects: There are maps, geological diagrams, beautiful
>>> > illustrations, comical satire, illuminated and decorative letters,
>>> > colourful illustrations, landscapes, wall-paintings and so much more
>>> > that
>>> > even we are not aware of.
>>>
>>>
>>> Flickr account http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary
>>> Example of image http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/11307195524/
>>> Example of all images from a book
>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/britishlibrary/tags/sysnum002660292
>>> Stuff for coders https://github.com/BL-Labs/imagedirectory
>>>
>>> So... :-)
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>>
>>
>>
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