Re: [WISPA] AT&T Cell Band
Both of the guys below are ok for your home or small business but can't handle 100,000 sq ft warehouse. That calls for manufacturers like Dekolink, CSI, Andrew, Mobile Access and such. With the higher gain systems to fill such a large space you can't just amp the whole spectrum or you create a lot of noise. So usually the systems need to be band specific for just the carrier you are looking to use. Since this applications is just for AT&T that's simple. Even if they are using both 800 and 1950 in the area these systems can amplify both separately and combine them into a single distribution system. Very cool technology. There's even some systems that use optical fiber to distribute the RF signal to remote amplifiers. But that's generally for spaces larger or more complex that a 100,000 sq ft box. Mike B On 12/8/08 4:42 PM, "CHUCK PROFITO" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://www.primecellular.comfor cell repeaters or > http://www.alternativewireless.com/cellular-antennas/cell_phone_power_booste > rs.html > > Chuck Profito > 209-988-7388 > CV-ACCESS, INC > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Providing High Speed Broadband > to Rural Central California > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Patrick Nix Jr. > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 1:55 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] AT&T Cell Band > > Anyone know what band AT&T uses for cell service? I have a client that > needs cell amplifiers put in a 100,000 sqft warehouse they just changed > from Nextel to AT&T. > > > > Thanks > > > > __ > > > > Patrick Nix, Jr., > > csweb.net > > (918) 235-0414 > > http://www.csweb.net <http://www.csweb.net/> > > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in > nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e-mail > and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. > > > > > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Mike Brownson Hutton Communications 5015 Paris St Denver, CO 80239 303-373-3170 This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] AT&T Cell Band
They use both 800 cell band and 1900 PCS band. Need band specific amps made for this. Hutton has a group that specializes in these. MIKE Sent from my iPhone Mike Brownson Hutton Comm 303-373-3170 On Dec 8, 2008, at 2:58 PM, "Patrick Nix Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > Anyone know what band AT&T uses for cell service? I have a client that > needs cell amplifiers put in a 100,000 sqft warehouse they just > changed > from Nextel to AT&T. > > > > Thanks > > > > __ > > > > Patrick Nix, Jr., > > csweb.net > > (918) 235-0414 > > http://www.csweb.net <http://www.csweb.net/> > > E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > ATTENTION: This e-mail may contain information that is confidential in > nature. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete this e- > mail > and notify the sender immediately. Thank you. > > > > > > > > --- > --- > --- > --- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > --- > --- > --- > --- > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Who stocks PacW DP feeds
It's great to have the facts, really appreciate the emplaination. I passed this whole string on to the product manager so we can plan accordingly. Thanks Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Tom DeReggi Sent: Thu 9/25/2008 9:16 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who stocks PacW DP feeds Mike, Thanks for the response. Again, Hutton/Electrocom has been a great distributor to work with. . I'll just add one more point about the Pac DP product. We forsee a huge future demand for the 2ft Dual Pol Wide Band 5.8G Parabolic. In the past, it was all we used, sense we had standardized our PTP deployments on Trango Atlas which are DP. But now, DP is not just a Trango thing. Both Mikrotik and StarOS, now support two radio cards for their Full Duplex modes, and/or Routing in one pol out the other. Some peoiple are also taking advantage of A/B ports on a single radio for diversity, although the FD is more common. These needs are becomming more and more necessary now that WISPS are growing and need their backhauls to pass more speed. And using a 40Mhz contiguous channel is very difficult to find free spectrum on, and usually not realistic. There are challenges, in noise rejection with a dual pol feed, but the advantages of having both links on one antenna are huge (space, colo costs, etc). Pac Wireless lowered the price of this DP product to a level where it a no brainer for a WISP to want to buy/stock EVERY dish as DP capable, even if they don't plan to use it. I personally think it was the #1 product of the year, and should earn Pac Wireless the title. We also see a need for the feeds, because WISPs have lots in the field already, and its logical they may upgrade their installed dishes at some point. Some of the older 2ft dishes, need a small nick cut out to allow the new HDD feeds to slide in, but a dremel can make it about 1 minute easilly. 2ft dishes are the most common jsut because they are so easy to work with, and Landlords never complain about the size. We found the Dishes are often needed even on shorter links, with OFDM products, because of noise avoidance. The Wide Band model HDDA5W is also important. Full Duplex often requires the spectrum to be 60-80mhz or so appart, to get adeqaute isolation between the Pols. So more often than not, even when using 20mhz channels, the links are a combination of two spectrum ranges. For example using channel 5.3G, 5.4G one way and 5.8G band the other. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "Mike Brownson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who stocks PacW DP feeds Tom, Thanks for the good word. On the web site, if it says call for availability it means there are none in stock and the lead time has not been entered for that product. So you're right to think that it's not going to ship the next day. But I'll pass your note on to the product manager for Pac and see about uping the levels for the 29DP. I thought it was normally a stock item. But sometimes we run out before the next shipment comes in. Again I'll check. Thanks. Mike B From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wed 9/24/2008 2:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who stocks PacW DP feeds Well... I've always been a big fan of Hutton/Electrocom, and they do sell them, and have a great price on the feeds. Stocking of DP products is a different story. Unfortunteately, the majority of the time, when I need them , usually the last minute :-), the parts I need are usually "check for availabilty". :-( That makes it hard to place an order at 8pm online, when I finally get time, and get a sense of whether the product will arrive on time for my need. So I was just looking for additional options. I was also wondering if Pac's model is now just for vendors to have Pac just Drop ship, and vendors generally not planning on stocking, which would also be OK. On an ongoing basis, I just don't want to have to wait for a product to be shipped to the distributor, and then from distributor to me, as that duplicates shipping costs and/or slows delivery so the distributor can coordinate lower cost bulk shipping methods to get it to them first. Its worse when I'm east coast, and distributor is west coast. I believe in distribution, when distributors are willing to stock the merchandise regularly. But in the past, very few vendors have been willing to stock DP products. I'm concerned on what availabilty will be in the future also. For small radios, and stuff, the arguement is always The WISP should buy larger quantities and stiock more inventory. But Parabolics are large antennas, and take up a lot of space, so generally don't like to
Re: [WISPA] Dual Pol Antennas
A broadband dual pol dish will work from 5.2 to 5.9Ghz. You'll get the same gain on both polarities. But there's noting I know of less than $150. Usually dual pol dishes are used where you may need a higher quality antenna, so all the manufacturers I know of (RadioWaves, Maxrad, Pac Wireless) for dual pol are the higher grade varieties. Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Blair Davis Sent: Thu 9/25/2008 8:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Dual Pol Antennas All this talk about Dual Pol feedhorns has got me curious I'm looking for a dual pol antenna... What I need is H-Pol on 5.3GHz band with 18db or more of gain and V-Pol on 5.8GHz with 15db or more of gain. A narrow beam width is a plus. A grid or a dish will be fine. I'd like to keep the price down as if it is over $150 or so, it really won't be cost effective. I can mount 2 antennas at this location if I have to. This is for a short link, about 2000ft, but it will be at the end of about 50ft of LMR-400. Thanks for any ideas Blair This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. <> WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Who stocks PacW DP feeds
The NS2 is a long story and not suitable for the list. The EOC2610 I'm psyc'd about, but it's new and Engenius is getting their first volume shipment toward the end of October. So I suspect those will be in good supply afterwards. And thanks for using Hutton. How do we get your antennas ;) Mike From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Blair Davis Sent: Wed 9/24/2008 11:52 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who stocks PacW DP feeds This is for Mike and it is off topic Mike, what is the deal with hutton getting the Ubiquity NS2 or the Senao EOC-2610 back in stock? Hutton has become my main wireless supplier for radios, cards, boards and other parts, excluding antennas. Thanks, Blair Mike Brownson wrote: Tom, Thanks for the good word. On the web site, if it says call for availability it means there are none in stock and the lead time has not been entered for that product. So you're right to think that it's not going to ship the next day. But I'll pass your note on to the product manager for Pac and see about uping the levels for the 29DP. I thought it was normally a stock item. But sometimes we run out before the next shipment comes in. Again I'll check. Thanks. Mike B From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wed 9/24/2008 2:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who stocks PacW DP feeds Well... I've always been a big fan of Hutton/Electrocom, and they do sell them, and have a great price on the feeds. Stocking of DP products is a different story. Unfortunteately, the majority of the time, when I need them , usually the last minute :-), the parts I need are usually "check for availabilty". :-( That makes it hard to place an order at 8pm online, when I finally get time, and get a sense of whether the product will arrive on time for my need. So I was just looking for additional options. I was also wondering if Pac's model is now just for vendors to have Pac just Drop ship, and vendors generally not planning on stocking, which would also be OK. On an ongoing basis, I just don't want to have to wait for a product to be shipped to the distributor, and then from distributor to me, as that duplicates shipping costs and/or slows delivery so the distributor can coordinate lower cost bulk shipping methods to get it to them first. Its worse when I'm east coast, and distributor is west coast. I believe in distribution, when distributors are willing to stock the merchandise regularly. But in the past, very few vendors have been willing to stock DP products. I'm concerned on what availabilty will be in the future also. For small radios, and stuff, the arguement is always The WISP should buy larger quantities and stiock more inventory. But Parabolics are large antennas, and take up a lot of space, so generally don't like to stock a lot of them in our "office" environment. I'd rather overnight a feed, or buy the full dish more locally. Now that Pac is refusing to fill orders direct, for these little things, I hope distributors will pick up the slack, so we don't have to wait 2 weeks, everytime we want a DP antenna. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "3-dB Networks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" <mailto:wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who stocks PacW DP feeds Tom, Hutton carries them... I can check stock for you in a few hours if you like Daniel White 3-dB Networks -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom DeReggi Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:21 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: [WISPA] Who stocks PacW DP feeds So... Now that PacWireless's (Laird) online store is no more, and they are now more reliant on their Distribution partners Who stocks the 29db DP Feeds and dishes? Is it back to special order or Drop
Re: [WISPA] Who stocks PacW DP feeds
Tom, Thanks for the good word. On the web site, if it says call for availability it means there are none in stock and the lead time has not been entered for that product. So you're right to think that it's not going to ship the next day. But I'll pass your note on to the product manager for Pac and see about uping the levels for the 29DP. I thought it was normally a stock item. But sometimes we run out before the next shipment comes in. Again I'll check. Thanks. Mike B From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Tom DeReggi Sent: Wed 9/24/2008 2:24 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who stocks PacW DP feeds Well... I've always been a big fan of Hutton/Electrocom, and they do sell them, and have a great price on the feeds. Stocking of DP products is a different story. Unfortunteately, the majority of the time, when I need them , usually the last minute :-), the parts I need are usually "check for availabilty". :-( That makes it hard to place an order at 8pm online, when I finally get time, and get a sense of whether the product will arrive on time for my need. So I was just looking for additional options. I was also wondering if Pac's model is now just for vendors to have Pac just Drop ship, and vendors generally not planning on stocking, which would also be OK. On an ongoing basis, I just don't want to have to wait for a product to be shipped to the distributor, and then from distributor to me, as that duplicates shipping costs and/or slows delivery so the distributor can coordinate lower cost bulk shipping methods to get it to them first. Its worse when I'm east coast, and distributor is west coast. I believe in distribution, when distributors are willing to stock the merchandise regularly. But in the past, very few vendors have been willing to stock DP products. I'm concerned on what availabilty will be in the future also. For small radios, and stuff, the arguement is always The WISP should buy larger quantities and stiock more inventory. But Parabolics are large antennas, and take up a lot of space, so generally don't like to stock a lot of them in our "office" environment. I'd rather overnight a feed, or buy the full dish more locally. Now that Pac is refusing to fill orders direct, for these little things, I hope distributors will pick up the slack, so we don't have to wait 2 weeks, everytime we want a DP antenna. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband - Original Message - From: "3-dB Networks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 7:05 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Who stocks PacW DP feeds > Tom, > > Hutton carries them... I can check stock for you in a few hours if you > like > > Daniel White > 3-dB Networks > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:21 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: [WISPA] Who stocks PacW DP feeds > > So... Now that PacWireless's (Laird) online store is no more, and they are > now more reliant on their Distribution partners > > Who stocks the 29db DP Feeds and dishes? Is it back to special order or > Drop > > ship? > > Specifically referring to the HDDA5W-29-DP models. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not d
Re: [WISPA] coax cables
To give you the facts. You can use just about any coax you want. But you will have loss. The smaller the cable the higher the loss. Examples: RG8 lose 3 db in 17 ft LMR400 lose 3db in 26 ft LMR600 lose 3 db in 40 ft 1/2 heliax lose 3 db in 49 ft LMR900 lose 3 db in 60 ft 5/8 heliax lose 3 db in 64 ft Remember that for every 6dB in loss you lose half your transmit and receive range. So with 34 ft of RG 8 instead of 5 miles you get 2.5. So use whatever cable you can get away with and still have the performance you need. If you need every miliwatt to be useful then use coax only as a short jumper. Mike B On 8/19/08 9:45 PM, "Matt Jenkins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > LMR 400? Are you crazy? Heliax 1/2 is the only way to go! > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> It can but the loss is high and the braid is much less. Stick with LMRs >> 400 *,5 '22@ )+_3 "2,/(:4 32*" 4:+3( >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: RickG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:33:57 >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: [WISPA] coax cables >> >> >> I'm running coax down my tower and came across and RG8/U. Can this be >> used on 5GHz? >> -RickG >> >> >> - >> --- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> - >> --- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> - >> --- >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> - >> --- >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Mike Brownson Hutton Communications 5015 Paris St Denver, CO 80239 303-373-3170 This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Dragonwave antenna pattern for RM
-- > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- > -- > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > -- > -- > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Mike Brownson Hutton Communications 5015 Paris St Denver, CO 80239 303-373-3170 This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 5.4 Ghz
They tend to sell for comparable dollars to the Orthogon products. MSRP is $12K - $16K depending on version. They also include at least 4 T1s without tapping into the ethernet bandwidth. Seems each product has it's sweet spot. Orthogon is great for dificult paths. Exalt is great for low latency and T1s. Also with adjustable bandwidth it can fit in between inteference, so may be good for crowded areas. And now for the commercial, Electro-Comm is a master distributor for Exalt. Mike B George Rogato wrote: How much? Dylan Oliver wrote: Brett Bonomo and Greg VanDell of Exalt provided amazing pre-sales support when I inquired about their 4.9 GHz gear for an RFP a few weeks ago. Exalt takes the cake in 4.9 GHz because of high guaranteed throughput (up to 55 Mbps goodput with 20 MHz channel) and sync, which would allow many more than two links to be deployed from a central location. They can also do sub-millisecond latency (or up to 5 ms for maximum throughput) and have adjustable channel sizes - down to 5 MHz, I believe, with 1 MHz spacing - to help one fit into cluttered spectrum. All of these things apply to the 5.xtri-band product, except that it can do 13 Mbps (in 8 MHz) to 216 Mbps (in 64 MHz). The integrated tri-band radio/antenna looks like the most flexible option out there right now for shorter links where any of the three bands would work. On 5/7/07, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.exaltcom.com/ -- Mike Brownson Electro-comm Distributing 5015 Paris St Denver, CO 80239 www.electro-comm.com (303) 371-8182 x112, (800) 525-0173 Your 24x7 support staff is at www.ShopECBIZ.com We're your complete back-haul solutions source ---licensed, unlicensed, 1Mb to 1.25Gb--- In stock, from Tranzeo 900MHz PtMP -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] spectrum analyzer
We've got one of our Avcom Rental units available for sale. We rent these for $100 per week. This has been used on and off for the past year and it's time to move it. It sells for $3K new, we need $1000 for the analyzer. We have a 5Ghz freq extender as well for $400, normally $800. Only thing needed is the 900MHz freq extender. So what we have will do the 1.7-2.7GHz band plus 5-6GHz (with extender) for $1400. Portable (not handheld) unit with large easy to read screen, markers, memory and peak hold functions plus more. More info at http://avcomofva.com/products/default.asp?page=psa1727b. Mike B Blair Davis wrote: Well, I know we have been round and round this subject before, but, I am finally ready to buy a spectrum analyzer What I want Coverage of 900MHz, 2.3-2.5GHz, and 5-6GHz Absolute power readings... I don't really care what the range on the power readings is as I can adjust the level as needed with attenuators But, I wish to do repeatable testing and comparison of radio cards and pigtails with the unit... Portable I don't need, (but would not object), to a hand held unit, but a big rack mount won't do me much good Reasonable price 1K$ or so. Referb or recon is fine I'd consider used from someone well known on wispa Ext. antenna input Ideas? Suggestions? I remember some talking about hand-held units on here before. Any body ever get one and use it? Thanks -- Mike Brownson Electro-comm Distributing 5015 Paris St Denver, CO 80239 www.electro-comm.com (303) 371-8182 x112, (800) 525-0173 Your 24x7 support staff is at www.ShopECBIZ.com Interested in Metro WiFi? We have solutions Coming soon from Tranzeo, 900MHz PtMP We are having our 13th annual EC Expo January 17-19, 2007 in Denver Colorado. There is 2 days of training from Canopy, Airaya, Bridgewave, Dragonwave, Tranzeo, Stratex, Inscape data, Trylon and Polyphaser. The exhibits will be on Friday January 19th. Visit www.ec-expo.com for registration and information. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need opinion
If reliability is your main issue then you may reconsider using wifi product and omni antennas. There are so many things that can effect the radio signal. If you link to experiment then perhaps it's good to go with WAR boards as it's kind of a make it yourself solution. If you want something that just goes in and is secure and works then be prepared to spend more money. So first you need to know what you are looking for and how much money you have to spend. Marlon's idea with the Tranzeo operating in WDS is good for low cost without having to make it yourself. But you still need someplace in the middle that you can put a radio. If you don't have that then it's time to look at different ways to do this. Too many questions and not enough answers yet. Mike Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: reliability its the primary concern and the speed of the link its enough starting with 11Mbps Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 escribió: Hi Carlos You don't tell us what speed and/or reliability you need for that link. I tried the single radio repeater idea you are talking about. The results pretty well sucked. big time. However, I'm about to try it again with a protocol called wds. That's supposed to allow an ap work as both an ap and a client radio at the same time. It's supposed to do what you are asking. I'm sure that there will be a speed penalty though, hopefully just much less than it was last time I tried this. You'd end up with ap/noc<-->ap/wds<-->cpe/office We've got a person that we're about to install, he is the ONLY one that sees another customer that's wanted service for years. I'm going ot use a Tranzeo AP with a Teletronics splitter and a pair of Maxrad antennas. The backhaul to the main tower will be done with vertical and the one to the remote site will be horizontal. Having said all of that, you really should use 4 radios to do this. It'll be faster and more stable. Radios don't like to store and forward out one port. They like to rec. on one and tx on the other basically at the same time. Wish us both luck! Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Carlos A. Garcia G" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" Sent: Monday, December 11, 2006 3:49 PM Subject: [WISPA] Need opinion Hi i have a problem i need to establish a wireless link betwen my ofice and another ofice there are a hill betwen so what equipment or vendors do i have to contact: look! NOC <-->> POP <-->> OFFICE -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Mike Brownson Electro-comm Distributing 5015 Paris St Denver, CO 80239 www.electro-comm.com (303) 371-8182 x112, (800) 525-0173 Your 24x7 support staff is at www.ShopECBIZ.com Interested in Metro WiFi? We have solutions Coming soon from Tranzeo, 900MHz PtMP We are having our 13th annual EC Expo January 17-19, 2007 in Denver Colorado. There is 2 days of training from Canopy, Airaya, Bridgewave, Dragonwave, Tranzeo, Stratex, Inscape data, Trylon and Polyphaser. The exhibits will be on Friday January 19th. Visit www.ec-expo.com for registration and information. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Need opinion
Carlos, It all depends on how big a hill and what speed you need. There is some PtP equipment (Motorola PtP, formerly Orthogon) that can talk over the hill in one link if the hill is not too big or the distance is not too long. Other option is to put another repeater in between. But that means another radio site. If you want to send me latitude and longitude of both sites I can see if the one radio link will work. Mike B Carlos A. Garcia G wrote: Hi i have a problem i need to establish a wireless link betwen my ofice and another ofice there are a hill betwen so what equipment or vendors do i have to contact: look! NOC <-->> POP <-->> OFFICE -- Mike Brownson Electro-comm Distributing 5015 Paris St Denver, CO 80239 www.electro-comm.com (303) 371-8182 x112, (800) 525-0173 Your 24x7 support staff is at www.ShopECBIZ.com Interested in Metro WiFi? We have solutions Coming soon from Tranzeo, 900MHz PtMP We are having our 13th annual EC Expo January 17-19, 2007 in Denver Colorado. There is 2 days of training from Canopy, Airaya, Bridgewave, Dragonwave, Tranzeo, Stratex, Inscape data, Trylon and Polyphaser. The exhibits will be on Friday January 19th. Visit www.ec-expo.com for registration and information. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Best VAR's
The WISP industry has created some interesting issues with the traditional VAR/Distributor definitions. In reality the lines have been blurred considerably. There are folks like us (Electro-Comm) and Tessco that think of ourselves as traditional 2 tier distributors. Typically we would sell to resellers, dealers and such as we do with the Motorola Canopy model. However in the wireless industry it is typical for the distributors to sell direct to wireless service providers like cellular carriers, paging carriers and such. The WISP is much like these other carriers, only typically smaller. So therefore we have been selling direct to the WISP market when the manufacturers channel model allows, like Tranzeo and Smartbridges. Also, most WISPs are quite savvy when it comes to integrating wireless gear, often as knowledgeable, or more, than the VARs. So the ultimate question is, How much help do you think you need? There are some very good VARs that deal with the WISP industry that can provide on-site RF surveys, do the installations, train your engineers and be available for after-sale support. If you believe yourself to be self sufficient and already knowledgeable in the IP and wireless area and just look for a little additional help and/or recommendations from someone, then the distributors can typically fulfill that roll perfectly well. At Electro-comm we often go a bit beyond the very basics of support, but since we're talking about distributors as a whole I'll leave the definition as is. Now on the VAR side there are 2 types, those that look like distributors and those that focus primarily on services. There are a few resellers that actually inventory product and provide services. Other resellers will drop ship product from the distributor (us) and do the integration and support work themselves. There are many resellers in this business that provide no other service than to simply burn up the phone lines dialing for dollars, looking for WISPs to sell something to. While others can provide considerable support and training. I hope this thread gets some action as I'd like to see other's perceptions of the industry and it's channels. Being an old-timer in this business I've seen it change a lot. We were supplying pigtails, LMR cable, amps and antennas for the systems based on Lucent cards back in the early days. I have to say I like the technological advances. But concerned as it's attracted some people interested in getting a piece of the latest fad. Mike B Jeffrey Thomas wrote: Hey everyone. Just curious- who on this list uses var / vs Distributors like tessco? If you do use VAR/VAD/SI'S do they really provide a value add for you? What Var's are your favorite for purchasing hardware / services from? Thanks for your help, Jeff Booher -- Mike Brownson Electro-comm Distributing 5015 Paris St Denver, CO 80239 www.electro-comm.com (303) 371-8182 x112, (800) 525-0173 Your 24x7 support staff is at www.ShopECBIZ.com Interested in Metro WiFi? We have solutions Coming soon from Tranzeo, 900MHz PtMP -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] 73 mile link
Agreed, it's doable. I'd vote for Orthogon as it does a preemptive adaptive rate modulation. With the long paths there is greater opportunity for signal fades over short periods. So you may get 40+Mb most of the time, but due to changes in atmosphere, temperature inversions, and variations in objects around the RF path there can be moments when the signal will degrade. Orthogon detects fade and as the signal gets near the threshold it'll switch to a lower modulation rate before bits start getting lost. Then as the signal increases it hops right back up to full speed. The Orthogon prediction tool even gives you the amount of time that it expects the link to be at each modulation rate. And we've found the tool to be right on the money if not just a touch conservative. Be happy to do the link analysis for you. Let me know. Mike B Matt Larsen - Lists wrote: This is very doable. I have a 65 mile link with Trangos and 4' Dishes with a -65 signal. They would work just fine with 3' dishes. You will probably have to go with Orthogon, Redline or possibly B100 to make that work at those costs. Matt Larsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mario Pommier wrote: Gentlemen, Is this even doable?: 74 mile point-to-point link. Very Clear LOS to mountaintop. Thinking of a 40Mbps minimum. This means 5.8Ghz I guess. This is the kind of thing I have to stretch my mind to in order to reduce my bandwidth costs to the internet. Thanks. Mario --- [This e-mail was scanned for viruses by our AntiVirus Protection System] -- Mike Brownson Electro-comm Distributing 5015 Paris St Denver, CO 80239 www.electro-comm.com (303) 371-8182 x112, (800) 525-0173 Your 24x7 support staff is at www.ShopECBIZ.com Interested in Metro WiFi? We have solutions Coming soon from Tranzeo, 900MHz PtMP -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Frequency Question
Last I heard is the profile was released and the FCC is establishing testing and certification standards/procedures and that equipment should be certifiable and shipping either really late this year or early next. Mike B Gino A. Villarini wrote: Im under the impression that the Standard has already been released and currently equipment is being tested and certified... Some manufacturers has released launch predictions for q4 06 and q1 07 Patrick, could you confirm this? Gino A. Villarini [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Scrivner Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2006 11:45 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Frequency Question The Military only for now. We will be able to under certain conditions if the NTIA would ever release the reference standard for developing testing of DFS and TPC for 5.4 to 5.7 GHz equipment certification. Many hardware manufacturers have equipment ready once a testing standard is released. Scriv George Rogato wrote: Who is allowed to use 5700 to 5500 in the US? Thanks George Rogato Welcome to WISPA www.wispa.org http://signup.wispa.org/ -- Mike Brownson Electro-comm Distributing 5015 Paris St Denver, CO 80239 www.electro-comm.com (303) 371-8182 x112, (800) 525-0173 Your 24x7 support staff is at www.ShopECBIZ.com Interested in Metro WiFi? We have solutions Coming soon from Tranzeo, 900MHz PtMP -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] antenna question
Having been in the wireless business for 30 years I've seen a bunch. And antennas can fail. There are a multitude of components that can break. In order of failure points we generally look to cable and connectors first, then active components like the radio and antennas last. In the radio business everyone has a power meter to test these sorts of things. In about 5 minutes you can determine if it's the cable or antenna with the proper instrument. Unfortunately most in this industry are not aware of using power meters. We sell one from Praxym that's just super cool and easy, but it's $1295. However that may be a lot cheaper than the cost of the outage and tower climbers and time guessing what's wrong. Or perhaps not? I have also seen one bad cable replaced with another. Mike B [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a Waverider ccu that stopped accepting associations from cpe. Swapped ccu, bypassed filter, replaced cabling, everyting but the antenna. All the spec ans stay flat. My guys on the tower are pointing to the antenna, 2 yr. old til-tek sector as the failure point. Ive never had an antenna go bad. Any one else had a similar experience? Thanks, Chris -- Mike Brownson Electro-comm Distributing 5015 Paris St Denver, CO 80239 www.electro-comm.com (303) 371-8182 x112, (800) 525-0173 Your 24x7 support staff is at www.ShopECBIZ.com Interested in Metro WiFi? We have solutions Coming soon from Tranzeo, 900MHz PtMP -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments?
We've got a few customers that are mainly fiber carriers and use wireless to extend off that. The fiber business is a whole differnet animal. It can be good, but requires that you really understand what business you're getting into. Especially if you are leasing capacity to other carriers, the audit requirements can get fairly hefty. Most of the fiber folks I know of use the fiber as the primary backhaul for their wireless system and for direct drops into the biggest customers. In one example a school disctict actaully paid for the installation of the fiber to hit all their schools (over 100 miles) but the WISP still owned it and was able to add additional strands for a little extra $. But the school ended picking up 90%+ of the total cost. Now that makes the ROI look much better. Mike B John J. Thomas wrote: Multi mode fiber can go 550 meters, single mode can go 70 kilometers or more between repeaters. John -Original Message- From: Sam Tetherow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 10:04 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments? Marlon, how would you have done the ethernet? I thought you were restricted to basically 300 feet of ethernet without a switch/router/booster every 300 feet or so, or am I missing something? I have pole rights in town a $1/pole/yr so I'm trying to find an affordable use of them. Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote: We use dry copper, wireless, fiber and dsl for backhaul. I've not built my own fiber yet. I'm sure the day is coming though. I really screwed up a few years ago. The town had the sidewalks all out down town. I should have found the money and put some conduit in at that time. I could have ethernet or fiber connections to all of the down town businesses today! sigh Marlon (509) 982-2181 Equipment sales (408) 907-6910 (Vonage)Consulting services 42846865 (icq)And I run my own wisp! 64.146.146.12 (net meeting) www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam - Original Message - From: "Mike Delp" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'WISPA General List'" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:31 AM Subject: [WISPA] Anyone mixing fiber with your wireless deployments? I am looking to talk with someone that has laid some fiber to complement their wireless operations. We have a couple of leads we are looking at making some short hop backbones between towers, and having the cities get involved as a customer of fiber, and hopefully it will pay for the venture. On or off list replys welcome. Thanks Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- Mike Brownson Electro-comm Distributing 5015 Paris St Denver, CO 80239 www.electro-comm.com (303) 371-8182 x112, (800) 525-0173 Your 24x7 support staff is at www.ShopECBIZ.com Interested in Metro WiFi? We have solutions Coming soon from Tranzeo, 900MHz PtMP -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Jumper supplier
we do custom jumpers with any cable or connector. If you don't want to use LMR400 I would suggest using perhaps LMR240. We'll install whatever connectors you need. Mike Electro-comm George Rogato wrote: I'm lookng for 2 and 3' out door nmale jumpers preferably smaller than lmr400 for 2 gig and 5 gig CAn't seem t find them on te EC or PW sites. Anyone got any other suppliers? Thanks George -- Mike Brownson Electro-comm Distributing 5015 Paris St Denver, CO 80239 www.electro-comm.com (303) 371-8182 x112, (800) 525-0173 Your 24x7 support staff is at www.ShopECBIZ.com Interested in Metro WiFi? We have solutions Coming soon from Tranzeo, 900MHz PtMP -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
