Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
Bob goes WAY beyond the books mere mortals use! marlon - Original Message - From: "Jeremy Parr" To: ; "WISPA General List" Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 10:31 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower? > When are you writing you "how to mount anything on anything" book? We > have the Jack Unger book, and the Mikrotik book, you must add yourself > to this elite group :-) > > On 1/12/10, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: >> Ok. There is no way to service or install equipment on a stealth pole >> without a manlift or crane with a basket >> >> The pole is a spindle design inside. Picture a solid pipe *axel" with two >> solid round "wheels" one on each end. Now take the whole assembly and >> stand >> it on end. Now stack several of them and put them at the top of a >> standard >> open monopole. There are cable ports cut in the "wheels" so the cabling >> can >> run thru the sections. The sections are wrapped in polyethelyne (or >> similar) covers usually 2 to 4 per level. They are held in by bolts or >> special latches. >> >> Now the warning.. >> >> As a contractor I mark all my jobs up an additional 50% when working on a >> stealth flagpole. The suck to work on. >> >> You need two guys to remove a cover MINIMUM. They don't have handles so >> they >> are very hard to handle. The slightest wind can make removal or install >> super difficult if not impossible. There have been times where we needed >> to >> return a day or two later to put covers on when the weather calmed down. >> >> They don't line up correctly when reinstalling them. You need a large >> narrow >> awl or HD screwdriver for leverage. >> >> The covers are VERY expensive. The cheapest one I have seen is $2K and >> they >> crack and break real easy even though they are 1/2" or so thick. On older >> poles they can be as much as $5K. >> >> If you are located on a level below cell carriers you may be in trouble. >> When installing cell cabling in a monopole a capstan is used. The cable >> can >> get hung up on your CAT5 cabling and tear it out or damage it. Your >> radios, >> antennas and mounts need to be rugged and withstand physical jarring. >> Your >> cable needs to be well restrained. This is not the site to go cheap on >> the >> install. >> >> When installing on one of these sites you need to keep an open mind and >> consider everything especially the unknown. >> >> Personally I would walk away. >> >> Good Luck >> >> -B- >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "jree...@18-30chat.net" >> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:10:56 >> To: ; WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower? >> >> I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J >> mounts. On >> another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded >> studs >> off the angle. >> >> Scott Carullo wrote: >>> I will need to... can you share with me how it is configured inside? >>> Thinking about some UBNT gear up there. >>> >>> Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower? Not sure I >>> can >>> shimmie that high lol >>> >>> Scott Carullo >>> Brevard Wireless >>> 321-205-1100 x102 >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> >> >> >> --
Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
I guess I was in a hurry and did not read it carefully. I just read flag pole. Sorry about that. akel...@gbcx.net wrote: > That's a regular flagpole. When he stated he wanted to mount an antenna and > radio INSIDE I assumed he was talking about a cellular flagpole. > > I stoll assume that. > > You are never going to climb acell flagpole like in the video. > > Bob > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: Data Technology > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:10:21 > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower? > > Never say never !! Take a look at the video on this web site. > http://www.flagpoleclimber.com/aboutus.html > > > lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: > >> Ok. There is no way to service or install equipment on a stealth pole >> without a manlift or crane with a basket >> >> The pole is a spindle design inside. Picture a solid pipe *axel" with two >> solid round "wheels" one on each end. Now take the whole assembly and stand >> it on end. Now stack several of them and put them at the top of a standard >> open monopole. There are cable ports cut in the "wheels" so the cabling can >> run thru the sections. The sections are wrapped in polyethelyne (or >> similar) covers usually 2 to 4 per level. They are held in by bolts or >> special latches. >> >> Now the warning.. >> >> As a contractor I mark all my jobs up an additional 50% when working on a >> stealth flagpole. The suck to work on. >> >> You need two guys to remove a cover MINIMUM. They don't have handles so they >> are very hard to handle. The slightest wind can make removal or install >> super difficult if not impossible. There have been times where we needed to >> return a day or two later to put covers on when the weather calmed down. >> >> They don't line up correctly when reinstalling them. You need a large narrow >> awl or HD screwdriver for leverage. >> >> The covers are VERY expensive. The cheapest one I have seen is $2K and they >> crack and break real easy even though they are 1/2" or so thick. On older >> poles they can be as much as $5K. >> >> If you are located on a level below cell carriers you may be in trouble. >> When installing cell cabling in a monopole a capstan is used. The cable can >> get hung up on your CAT5 cabling and tear it out or damage it. Your radios, >> antennas and mounts need to be rugged and withstand physical jarring. Your >> cable needs to be well restrained. This is not the site to go cheap on the >> install. >> >> When installing on one of these sites you need to keep an open mind and >> consider everything especially the unknown. >> >> Personally I would walk away. >> >> Good Luck >> >> -B- >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> -Original Message- >> From: "jree...@18-30chat.net" >> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:10:56 >> To: ; WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower? >> >> I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J >> mounts. On >> another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded >> studs >> off the angle. >> >> Scott Carullo wrote: >> >> >>> I will need to... can you share with me how it is configured inside? >>> Thinking about some UBNT gear up there. >>> >>> Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower? Not sure I can >>> shimmie that high lol >>> >>> Scott Carullo >>> Brevard Wireless >>> 321-205-1100 x102 >>> >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >>> http://signup.wispa.org/ >>> >>> >>> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>> >>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless
Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
That's a regular flagpole. When he stated he wanted to mount an antenna and radio INSIDE I assumed he was talking about a cellular flagpole. I stoll assume that. You are never going to climb acell flagpole like in the video. Bob Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Data Technology Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:10:21 To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower? Never say never !! Take a look at the video on this web site. http://www.flagpoleclimber.com/aboutus.html lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: > Ok. There is no way to service or install equipment on a stealth pole without > a manlift or crane with a basket > > The pole is a spindle design inside. Picture a solid pipe *axel" with two > solid round "wheels" one on each end. Now take the whole assembly and stand > it on end. Now stack several of them and put them at the top of a standard > open monopole. There are cable ports cut in the "wheels" so the cabling can > run thru the sections. The sections are wrapped in polyethelyne (or similar) > covers usually 2 to 4 per level. They are held in by bolts or special latches. > > Now the warning.. > > As a contractor I mark all my jobs up an additional 50% when working on a > stealth flagpole. The suck to work on. > > You need two guys to remove a cover MINIMUM. They don't have handles so they > are very hard to handle. The slightest wind can make removal or install super > difficult if not impossible. There have been times where we needed to return > a day or two later to put covers on when the weather calmed down. > > They don't line up correctly when reinstalling them. You need a large narrow > awl or HD screwdriver for leverage. > > The covers are VERY expensive. The cheapest one I have seen is $2K and they > crack and break real easy even though they are 1/2" or so thick. On older > poles they can be as much as $5K. > > If you are located on a level below cell carriers you may be in trouble. When > installing cell cabling in a monopole a capstan is used. The cable can get > hung up on your CAT5 cabling and tear it out or damage it. Your radios, > antennas and mounts need to be rugged and withstand physical jarring. Your > cable needs to be well restrained. This is not the site to go cheap on the > install. > > When installing on one of these sites you need to keep an open mind and > consider everything especially the unknown. > > Personally I would walk away. > > Good Luck > > -B- > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: "jree...@18-30chat.net" > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:10:56 > To: ; WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower? > > I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J mounts. > On > another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded studs > off the angle. > > Scott Carullo wrote: > >> I will need to... can you share with me how it is configured inside? >> Thinking about some UBNT gear up there. >> >> Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower? Not sure I can >> shimmie that high lol >> >> Scott Carullo >> Brevard Wireless >> 321-205-1100 x102 >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- &g
Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
When are you writing you "how to mount anything on anything" book? We have the Jack Unger book, and the Mikrotik book, you must add yourself to this elite group :-) On 1/12/10, lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: > Ok. There is no way to service or install equipment on a stealth pole > without a manlift or crane with a basket > > The pole is a spindle design inside. Picture a solid pipe *axel" with two > solid round "wheels" one on each end. Now take the whole assembly and stand > it on end. Now stack several of them and put them at the top of a standard > open monopole. There are cable ports cut in the "wheels" so the cabling can > run thru the sections. The sections are wrapped in polyethelyne (or > similar) covers usually 2 to 4 per level. They are held in by bolts or > special latches. > > Now the warning.. > > As a contractor I mark all my jobs up an additional 50% when working on a > stealth flagpole. The suck to work on. > > You need two guys to remove a cover MINIMUM. They don't have handles so they > are very hard to handle. The slightest wind can make removal or install > super difficult if not impossible. There have been times where we needed to > return a day or two later to put covers on when the weather calmed down. > > They don't line up correctly when reinstalling them. You need a large narrow > awl or HD screwdriver for leverage. > > The covers are VERY expensive. The cheapest one I have seen is $2K and they > crack and break real easy even though they are 1/2" or so thick. On older > poles they can be as much as $5K. > > If you are located on a level below cell carriers you may be in trouble. > When installing cell cabling in a monopole a capstan is used. The cable can > get hung up on your CAT5 cabling and tear it out or damage it. Your radios, > antennas and mounts need to be rugged and withstand physical jarring. Your > cable needs to be well restrained. This is not the site to go cheap on the > install. > > When installing on one of these sites you need to keep an open mind and > consider everything especially the unknown. > > Personally I would walk away. > > Good Luck > > -B- > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -----Original Message- > From: "jree...@18-30chat.net" > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:10:56 > To: ; WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower? > > I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J > mounts. On > another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded > studs > off the angle. > > Scott Carullo wrote: >> I will need to... can you share with me how it is configured inside? >> Thinking about some UBNT gear up there. >> >> Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower? Not sure I >> can >> shimmie that high lol >> >> Scott Carullo >> Brevard Wireless >> 321-205-1100 x102 >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Sent from my mobile device WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
Never say never !! Take a look at the video on this web site. http://www.flagpoleclimber.com/aboutus.html lakel...@gbcx.net wrote: > Ok. There is no way to service or install equipment on a stealth pole without > a manlift or crane with a basket > > The pole is a spindle design inside. Picture a solid pipe *axel" with two > solid round "wheels" one on each end. Now take the whole assembly and stand > it on end. Now stack several of them and put them at the top of a standard > open monopole. There are cable ports cut in the "wheels" so the cabling can > run thru the sections. The sections are wrapped in polyethelyne (or similar) > covers usually 2 to 4 per level. They are held in by bolts or special latches. > > Now the warning.. > > As a contractor I mark all my jobs up an additional 50% when working on a > stealth flagpole. The suck to work on. > > You need two guys to remove a cover MINIMUM. They don't have handles so they > are very hard to handle. The slightest wind can make removal or install super > difficult if not impossible. There have been times where we needed to return > a day or two later to put covers on when the weather calmed down. > > They don't line up correctly when reinstalling them. You need a large narrow > awl or HD screwdriver for leverage. > > The covers are VERY expensive. The cheapest one I have seen is $2K and they > crack and break real easy even though they are 1/2" or so thick. On older > poles they can be as much as $5K. > > If you are located on a level below cell carriers you may be in trouble. When > installing cell cabling in a monopole a capstan is used. The cable can get > hung up on your CAT5 cabling and tear it out or damage it. Your radios, > antennas and mounts need to be rugged and withstand physical jarring. Your > cable needs to be well restrained. This is not the site to go cheap on the > install. > > When installing on one of these sites you need to keep an open mind and > consider everything especially the unknown. > > Personally I would walk away. > > Good Luck > > -B- > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: "jree...@18-30chat.net" > Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:10:56 > To: ; WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower? > > I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J mounts. > On > another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded studs > off the angle. > > Scott Carullo wrote: > >> I will need to... can you share with me how it is configured inside? >> Thinking about some UBNT gear up there. >> >> Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower? Not sure I can >> shimmie that high lol >> >> Scott Carullo >> Brevard Wireless >> 321-205-1100 x102 >> >> >> >> WISPA Wants You! Join today! >> http://signup.wispa.org/ >> >> >> WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >> > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- > > This message has been scanned for viruses and > dangerous content by the Data Technology > MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
Ok. There is no way to service or install equipment on a stealth pole without a manlift or crane with a basket The pole is a spindle design inside. Picture a solid pipe *axel" with two solid round "wheels" one on each end. Now take the whole assembly and stand it on end. Now stack several of them and put them at the top of a standard open monopole. There are cable ports cut in the "wheels" so the cabling can run thru the sections. The sections are wrapped in polyethelyne (or similar) covers usually 2 to 4 per level. They are held in by bolts or special latches. Now the warning.. As a contractor I mark all my jobs up an additional 50% when working on a stealth flagpole. The suck to work on. You need two guys to remove a cover MINIMUM. They don't have handles so they are very hard to handle. The slightest wind can make removal or install super difficult if not impossible. There have been times where we needed to return a day or two later to put covers on when the weather calmed down. They don't line up correctly when reinstalling them. You need a large narrow awl or HD screwdriver for leverage. The covers are VERY expensive. The cheapest one I have seen is $2K and they crack and break real easy even though they are 1/2" or so thick. On older poles they can be as much as $5K. If you are located on a level below cell carriers you may be in trouble. When installing cell cabling in a monopole a capstan is used. The cable can get hung up on your CAT5 cabling and tear it out or damage it. Your radios, antennas and mounts need to be rugged and withstand physical jarring. Your cable needs to be well restrained. This is not the site to go cheap on the install. When installing on one of these sites you need to keep an open mind and consider everything especially the unknown. Personally I would walk away. Good Luck -B- Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: "jree...@18-30chat.net" Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:10:56 To: ; WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower? I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J mounts. On another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded studs off the angle. Scott Carullo wrote: > I will need to... can you share with me how it is configured inside? > Thinking about some UBNT gear up there. > > Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower? Not sure I can > shimmie that high lol > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
I used some 4in pipe for a mast (about 15ft). Welded studs and used J mounts. On another one we used angle iron and grade 8 bolts to make a brace, welded studs off the angle. Scott Carullo wrote: > I will need to... can you share with me how it is configured inside? > Thinking about some UBNT gear up there. > > Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower? Not sure I can > shimmie that high lol > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
Re: [WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
I think you're talking about a monopole? On 1/10/10, Scott Carullo wrote: > I will need to... can you share with me how it is configured inside? > Thinking about some UBNT gear up there. > > Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower? Not sure I can > shimmie that high lol > > Scott Carullo > Brevard Wireless > 321-205-1100 x102 > > > > WISPA Wants You! Join today! > http://signup.wispa.org/ > > > WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > -- Josh Luthman Office: 937-552-2340 Direct: 937-552-2343 1100 Wayne St Suite 1337 Troy, OH 45373 "The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources." --- Albert Einstein WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
[WISPA] Anyone ever mount gear on flagpole style tower?
I will need to... can you share with me how it is configured inside? Thinking about some UBNT gear up there. Is a crane the only way to work on gear on this type tower? Not sure I can shimmie that high lol Scott Carullo Brevard Wireless 321-205-1100 x102 WISPA Wants You! Join today! http://signup.wispa.org/ WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
