Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

2010-06-16 Thread Jeremie Chism
Tiltek has given me great results.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 16, 2010, at 2:07 PM, Josh Luthman  
 wrote:

> Antel, MTI or something else?
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
> “Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
> continue that counts.”
> --- Winston Churchill
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Jeremie Chism   
> wrote:
>> I used an omni once. It took me about two months to pull it down.
>> Still have it as a matter of fact. If you are in an area with no
>> interference that is probably fine. Problem is if somthing does come
>> in it affects everyone. Also it's hard to find the source. I think  
>> you
>> might be better off with two sectors with some pretty serious
>> downtilt. Then if there is interference you are more likely to work
>> areound it. I woud be glad to talk to you about what I have learned  
>> an
>> what I do offlist or over the phone if you would like. Just email me
>> offlist.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2010, at 10:52 AM, KP Performance 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Agreed in most circumstances they are a pain in less your are in an
>>> area by yourself with a low noise floor, which is hard to fine.
>>> Then omnis serve a purpose until you build your client base up  
>>> enough
>>> to support sectors and separate APs.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16-Jun-10, at 9:27 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>>>
>>>> All sectors. Omni in 900 is a nightmare.  An omninin almost any  
>>>> band
>>>> is a nightmare.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 16, 2010, at 9:52 AM, KP Performance  
>>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jeremie C.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you running an omni or sectors at your towers sites?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 15-Jun-10, at 9:35 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have also seen improvements during periods of rain and fog. Not
>>>>>> sure
>>>>>> why but it is noticable. Signal even seems to be stronger during
>>>>>> rain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am in a very congested area and have 900 MHz delivering 1.5/1  
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> police cars working in a place that has scada and other noise  
>>>>>> in a
>>>>>> very close proximity to my ap's. But doing this I learned a lot
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> what works and what doesn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:57 PM, "Robert West" >>>>> micro.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Variable Success".  I love it!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bob-
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>>>>>>> boun...@wispa.org]
>>>>>>> On
>>>>>>> Behalf Of MDK
>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:03 PM
>>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Been using 900 with variable success for about 4 years now.
>>>>>>> Started with
>>>>>>> SR-9's and now have XR9 / STar-OS gear deployed.   Love it.
>>>>>>> It's
>>>>>>> almost as
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> fast as 5 gig, for a given channel size, and is incredibly  
>>>>>>> better
>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>> tree
>>>>>>> penetration than is 2.4 or 5 gig.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It has limited application, due to noise being so prevalent, but
>>>>>>> where it's
>>>>>>> appropriate,  it easily delivers 2x2meg to the customer @ 10
>>>>>>> customers / 5
>>>>>>> mhz AP with capacity to spare.It's freaky picky, with
>>>>>>> environment
>>>>>>>

Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

2010-06-16 Thread Jay Clark
Hi Jeremie

I would like to talk to you off list. Please give me a call. 320-762-2244

Thanks,
Jay

On 6/16/10 1:54 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
> I used an omni once. It took me about two months to pull it down.
> Still have it as a matter of fact. If you are in an area with no
> interference that is probably fine. Problem is if somthing does come
> in it affects everyone. Also it's hard to find the source. I think you
> might be better off with two sectors with some pretty serious
> downtilt. Then if there is interference you are more likely to work
> areound it. I woud be glad to talk to you about what I have learned an
> what I do offlist or over the phone if you would like. Just email me
> offlist.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 16, 2010, at 10:52 AM, KP Performance
> wrote:
>
>
>>
>> Agreed in most circumstances they are a pain in less your are in an
>> area by yourself with a low noise floor, which is hard to fine.
>> Then omnis serve a purpose until you build your client base up enough
>> to support sectors and separate APs.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16-Jun-10, at 9:27 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> All sectors. Omni in 900 is a nightmare.  An omninin almost any band
>>> is a nightmare.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 16, 2010, at 9:52 AM, KP Performance
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Jeremie C.
>>>>
>>>> Are you running an omni or sectors at your towers sites?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 15-Jun-10, at 9:35 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>> I have also seen improvements during periods of rain and fog. Not
>>>>> sure
>>>>> why but it is noticable. Signal even seems to be stronger during
>>>>> rain.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am in a very congested area and have 900 MHz delivering 1.5/1 to
>>>>> police cars working in a place that has scada and other noise in a
>>>>> very close proximity to my ap's. But doing this I learned a lot
>>>>> about
>>>>> what works and what doesn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:57 PM, "Robert West">>>> micro.com>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Variable Success".  I love it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>>>>>> boun...@wispa.org]
>>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of MDK
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:03 PM
>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Been using 900 with variable success for about 4 years now.
>>>>>> Started with
>>>>>> SR-9's and now have XR9 / STar-OS gear deployed.   Love it.   It's
>>>>>> almost as
>>>>>>
>>>>>> fast as 5 gig, for a given channel size, and is incredibly better
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> tree
>>>>>> penetration than is 2.4 or 5 gig.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It has limited application, due to noise being so prevalent, but
>>>>>> where it's
>>>>>> appropriate,  it easily delivers 2x2meg to the customer @ 10
>>>>>> customers / 5
>>>>>> mhz AP with capacity to spare.It's freaky picky, with
>>>>>> environment
>>>>>> changes like rain, humidity, snow, fog, etc.Rain, snow, fog,
>>>>>> ice
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> IMPROVE forest penetration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Longest production use is customers @ 6 miles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Otherwise, it's normally deployed in dense forest and limited to
>>>>>> about 1
>>>>>> mile or 2 if you have plenty of open space,  not dense forest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Noise?   There's oodles of noise generators out there, often
>>>>>> making
>>>>&

Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

2010-06-16 Thread Josh Luthman
Antel, MTI or something else?

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

“Success is not final, failure is not fatal: it is the courage to
continue that counts.”
--- Winston Churchill



On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Jeremie Chism  wrote:
> I used an omni once. It took me about two months to pull it down.
> Still have it as a matter of fact. If you are in an area with no
> interference that is probably fine. Problem is if somthing does come
> in it affects everyone. Also it's hard to find the source. I think you
> might be better off with two sectors with some pretty serious
> downtilt. Then if there is interference you are more likely to work
> areound it. I woud be glad to talk to you about what I have learned an
> what I do offlist or over the phone if you would like. Just email me
> offlist.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 16, 2010, at 10:52 AM, KP Performance 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Agreed in most circumstances they are a pain in less your are in an
>> area by yourself with a low noise floor, which is hard to fine.
>> Then omnis serve a purpose until you build your client base up enough
>> to support sectors and separate APs.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 16-Jun-10, at 9:27 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>>
>>> All sectors. Omni in 900 is a nightmare.  An omninin almost any band
>>> is a nightmare.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 16, 2010, at 9:52 AM, KP Performance 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jeremie C.
>>>>
>>>> Are you running an omni or sectors at your towers sites?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 15-Jun-10, at 9:35 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I have also seen improvements during periods of rain and fog. Not
>>>>> sure
>>>>> why but it is noticable. Signal even seems to be stronger during
>>>>> rain.
>>>>>
>>>>> I am in a very congested area and have 900 MHz delivering 1.5/1 to
>>>>> police cars working in a place that has scada and other noise in a
>>>>> very close proximity to my ap's. But doing this I learned a lot
>>>>> about
>>>>> what works and what doesn't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:57 PM, "Robert West" >>>> micro.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Variable Success".  I love it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bob-
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>>>>>> boun...@wispa.org]
>>>>>> On
>>>>>> Behalf Of MDK
>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:03 PM
>>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Been using 900 with variable success for about 4 years now.
>>>>>> Started with
>>>>>> SR-9's and now have XR9 / STar-OS gear deployed.   Love it.   It's
>>>>>> almost as
>>>>>>
>>>>>> fast as 5 gig, for a given channel size, and is incredibly better
>>>>>> at
>>>>>> tree
>>>>>> penetration than is 2.4 or 5 gig.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It has limited application, due to noise being so prevalent, but
>>>>>> where it's
>>>>>> appropriate,  it easily delivers 2x2meg to the customer @ 10
>>>>>> customers / 5
>>>>>> mhz AP with capacity to spare.    It's freaky picky, with
>>>>>> environment
>>>>>> changes like rain, humidity, snow, fog, etc.    Rain, snow, fog,
>>>>>> ice
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> IMPROVE forest penetration.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Longest production use is customers @ 6 miles.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Otherwise, it's normally deployed in dense forest and limited to
>>>>>> about 1
>>>>>> mile or 2 if you have plenty of open space,  not dense forest.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Noise?   There's oodles of noise generators out there, often
>>>>>> making
>>>>>> up to
>>

Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

2010-06-16 Thread Jeremie Chism
I used an omni once. It took me about two months to pull it down.  
Still have it as a matter of fact. If you are in an area with no  
interference that is probably fine. Problem is if somthing does come  
in it affects everyone. Also it's hard to find the source. I think you  
might be better off with two sectors with some pretty serious  
downtilt. Then if there is interference you are more likely to work  
areound it. I woud be glad to talk to you about what I have learned an  
what I do offlist or over the phone if you would like. Just email me  
offlist.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 16, 2010, at 10:52 AM, KP Performance   
wrote:

>
>
> Agreed in most circumstances they are a pain in less your are in an
> area by yourself with a low noise floor, which is hard to fine.
> Then omnis serve a purpose until you build your client base up enough
> to support sectors and separate APs.
>
>
>
> On 16-Jun-10, at 9:27 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>
>> All sectors. Omni in 900 is a nightmare.  An omninin almost any band
>> is a nightmare.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 16, 2010, at 9:52 AM, KP Performance 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jeremie C.
>>>
>>> Are you running an omni or sectors at your towers sites?
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15-Jun-10, at 9:35 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>>>
>>>> I have also seen improvements during periods of rain and fog. Not
>>>> sure
>>>> why but it is noticable. Signal even seems to be stronger during
>>>> rain.
>>>>
>>>> I am in a very congested area and have 900 MHz delivering 1.5/1 to
>>>> police cars working in a place that has scada and other noise in a
>>>> very close proximity to my ap's. But doing this I learned a lot
>>>> about
>>>> what works and what doesn't.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:57 PM, "Robert West" >>> micro.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Variable Success".  I love it!
>>>>>
>>>>> Bob-
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-
>>>>> boun...@wispa.org]
>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of MDK
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:03 PM
>>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers
>>>>>
>>>>> Been using 900 with variable success for about 4 years now.
>>>>> Started with
>>>>> SR-9's and now have XR9 / STar-OS gear deployed.   Love it.   It's
>>>>> almost as
>>>>>
>>>>> fast as 5 gig, for a given channel size, and is incredibly better
>>>>> at
>>>>> tree
>>>>> penetration than is 2.4 or 5 gig.
>>>>>
>>>>> It has limited application, due to noise being so prevalent, but
>>>>> where it's
>>>>> appropriate,  it easily delivers 2x2meg to the customer @ 10
>>>>> customers / 5
>>>>> mhz AP with capacity to spare.It's freaky picky, with
>>>>> environment
>>>>> changes like rain, humidity, snow, fog, etc.Rain, snow, fog,
>>>>> ice
>>>>> all
>>>>> IMPROVE forest penetration.
>>>>>
>>>>> Longest production use is customers @ 6 miles.
>>>>>
>>>>> Otherwise, it's normally deployed in dense forest and limited to
>>>>> about 1
>>>>> mile or 2 if you have plenty of open space,  not dense forest.
>>>>>
>>>>> Noise?   There's oodles of noise generators out there, often  
>>>>> making
>>>>> up to
>>>>> 1/2 the band unusable, even in rural areas.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ++
>>>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>>>>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>>>>> ++
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> From: "Jack Unger" 
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:28 PM
>>>>> To: &quo

Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

2010-06-16 Thread KP Performance


Agreed in most circumstances they are a pain in less your are in an  
area by yourself with a low noise floor, which is hard to fine.
Then omnis serve a purpose until you build your client base up enough  
to support sectors and separate APs.



On 16-Jun-10, at 9:27 AM, Jeremie Chism wrote:

> All sectors. Omni in 900 is a nightmare.  An omninin almost any band
> is a nightmare.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 16, 2010, at 9:52 AM, KP Performance 
> wrote:
>
>> Jeremie C.
>>
>> Are you running an omni or sectors at your towers sites?
>>
>>
>> On 15-Jun-10, at 9:35 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>>
>>> I have also seen improvements during periods of rain and fog. Not
>>> sure
>>> why but it is noticable. Signal even seems to be stronger during
>>> rain.
>>>
>>> I am in a very congested area and have 900 MHz delivering 1.5/1 to
>>> police cars working in a place that has scada and other noise in a
>>> very close proximity to my ap's. But doing this I learned a lot  
>>> about
>>> what works and what doesn't.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:57 PM, "Robert West" >> micro.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Variable Success".  I love it!
>>>>
>>>> Bob-
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless- 
>>>> boun...@wispa.org]
>>>> On
>>>> Behalf Of MDK
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:03 PM
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers
>>>>
>>>> Been using 900 with variable success for about 4 years now.
>>>> Started with
>>>> SR-9's and now have XR9 / STar-OS gear deployed.   Love it.   It's
>>>> almost as
>>>>
>>>> fast as 5 gig, for a given channel size, and is incredibly better  
>>>> at
>>>> tree
>>>> penetration than is 2.4 or 5 gig.
>>>>
>>>> It has limited application, due to noise being so prevalent, but
>>>> where it's
>>>> appropriate,  it easily delivers 2x2meg to the customer @ 10
>>>> customers / 5
>>>> mhz AP with capacity to spare.It's freaky picky, with
>>>> environment
>>>> changes like rain, humidity, snow, fog, etc.Rain, snow, fog,  
>>>> ice
>>>> all
>>>> IMPROVE forest penetration.
>>>>
>>>> Longest production use is customers @ 6 miles.
>>>>
>>>> Otherwise, it's normally deployed in dense forest and limited to
>>>> about 1
>>>> mile or 2 if you have plenty of open space,  not dense forest.
>>>>
>>>> Noise?   There's oodles of noise generators out there, often making
>>>> up to
>>>> 1/2 the band unusable, even in rural areas.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ++
>>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>>>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>>>> ++
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> From: "Jack Unger" 
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:28 PM
>>>> To: "WISPA General List" ; 
>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers
>>>>
>>>>> Please contact me offline if you
>>>>>
>>>>> a) If you have long-time 900 MHz deployment experience and  
>>>>> consider
>>>>> yourself a 900 MHz pioneer, or
>>>>>
>>>>> b) If you have extensive experience tracking down and solving 900
>>>>> MHz
>>>>> interference problems.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>> jack
>>>>> 818-227-4220
>>>>> jun...@ask-wi.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc.
>>>>> Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving  
>>>>> the
>>>>> Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since
>>>>> 1993
>>>>> www.ask-wi.com  818-227-4220  jun...@ask-wi.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
&

Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

2010-06-16 Thread Jeremie Chism
All sectors. Omni in 900 is a nightmare.  An omninin almost any band  
is a nightmare.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 16, 2010, at 9:52 AM, KP Performance   
wrote:

> Jeremie C.
>
> Are you running an omni or sectors at your towers sites?
>
>
> On 15-Jun-10, at 9:35 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:
>
>> I have also seen improvements during periods of rain and fog. Not  
>> sure
>> why but it is noticable. Signal even seems to be stronger during  
>> rain.
>>
>> I am in a very congested area and have 900 MHz delivering 1.5/1 to
>> police cars working in a place that has scada and other noise in a
>> very close proximity to my ap's. But doing this I learned a lot about
>> what works and what doesn't.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:57 PM, "Robert West" > micro.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Variable Success".  I love it!
>>>
>>> Bob-
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-----
>>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of MDK
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:03 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers
>>>
>>> Been using 900 with variable success for about 4 years now.
>>> Started with
>>> SR-9's and now have XR9 / STar-OS gear deployed.   Love it.   It's
>>> almost as
>>>
>>> fast as 5 gig, for a given channel size, and is incredibly better at
>>> tree
>>> penetration than is 2.4 or 5 gig.
>>>
>>> It has limited application, due to noise being so prevalent, but
>>> where it's
>>> appropriate,  it easily delivers 2x2meg to the customer @ 10
>>> customers / 5
>>> mhz AP with capacity to spare.It's freaky picky, with  
>>> environment
>>> changes like rain, humidity, snow, fog, etc.Rain, snow, fog, ice
>>> all
>>> IMPROVE forest penetration.
>>>
>>> Longest production use is customers @ 6 miles.
>>>
>>> Otherwise, it's normally deployed in dense forest and limited to
>>> about 1
>>> mile or 2 if you have plenty of open space,  not dense forest.
>>>
>>> Noise?   There's oodles of noise generators out there, often making
>>> up to
>>> 1/2 the band unusable, even in rural areas.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ++
>>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>>> ++
>>>
>>> --
>>> From: "Jack Unger" 
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:28 PM
>>> To: "WISPA General List" ; 
>>> Subject: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers
>>>
>>>> Please contact me offline if you
>>>>
>>>> a) If you have long-time 900 MHz deployment experience and consider
>>>> yourself a 900 MHz pioneer, or
>>>>
>>>> b) If you have extensive experience tracking down and solving 900
>>>> MHz
>>>> interference problems.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>>
>>>> jack
>>>> 818-227-4220
>>>> jun...@ask-wi.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc.
>>>> Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the
>>>> Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since
>>>> 1993
>>>> www.ask-wi.com  818-227-4220  jun...@ask-wi.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> ---
>>>> --
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>>&g

Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

2010-06-16 Thread KP Performance
Jeremie C.

Are you running an omni or sectors at your towers sites?


On 15-Jun-10, at 9:35 PM, Jeremie Chism wrote:

> I have also seen improvements during periods of rain and fog. Not sure
> why but it is noticable. Signal even seems to be stronger during rain.
>
> I am in a very congested area and have 900 MHz delivering 1.5/1 to
> police cars working in a place that has scada and other noise in a
> very close proximity to my ap's. But doing this I learned a lot about
> what works and what doesn't.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:57 PM, "Robert West"  micro.com> wrote:
>
>> "Variable Success".  I love it!
>>
>> Bob-
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]
>> On
>> Behalf Of MDK
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:03 PM
>> To: WISPA General List
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers
>>
>> Been using 900 with variable success for about 4 years now.
>> Started with
>> SR-9's and now have XR9 / STar-OS gear deployed.   Love it.   It's
>> almost as
>>
>> fast as 5 gig, for a given channel size, and is incredibly better at
>> tree
>> penetration than is 2.4 or 5 gig.
>>
>> It has limited application, due to noise being so prevalent, but
>> where it's
>> appropriate,  it easily delivers 2x2meg to the customer @ 10
>> customers / 5
>> mhz AP with capacity to spare.It's freaky picky, with environment
>> changes like rain, humidity, snow, fog, etc.Rain, snow, fog, ice
>> all
>> IMPROVE forest penetration.
>>
>> Longest production use is customers @ 6 miles.
>>
>> Otherwise, it's normally deployed in dense forest and limited to
>> about 1
>> mile or 2 if you have plenty of open space,  not dense forest.
>>
>> Noise?   There's oodles of noise generators out there, often making
>> up to
>> 1/2 the band unusable, even in rural areas.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ++
>> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
>> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
>> ++
>>
>> --
>> From: "Jack Unger" 
>> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:28 PM
>> To: "WISPA General List" ; 
>> Subject: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers
>>
>>> Please contact me offline if you
>>>
>>> a) If you have long-time 900 MHz deployment experience and consider
>>> yourself a 900 MHz pioneer, or
>>>
>>> b) If you have extensive experience tracking down and solving 900  
>>> MHz
>>> interference problems.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> jack
>>> 818-227-4220
>>> jun...@ask-wi.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc.
>>> Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the
>>> Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since
>>> 1993
>>> www.ask-wi.com  818-227-4220  jun...@ask-wi.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> ---
>>> --
>>> WISPA Wants You! Join today!
>>> http://signup.wispa.org/
>>> ---
>>> ---
>>> --
>>>
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

2010-06-16 Thread Robert West
I thought it ALWAYS worked when it wanted to?

 

 

 

From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of Blair Davis
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 11:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

 

Well, it sure sounds better than...

'It works when it wants to.'


Robert West wrote: 

"Variable Success".  I love it!
 
Bob-
 
 
 
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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers
 
Been using 900 with variable success for about 4 years now.   Started with 
SR-9's and now have XR9 / STar-OS gear deployed.   Love it.   It's almost as
 
fast as 5 gig, for a given channel size, and is incredibly better at tree
penetration than is 2.4 or 5 gig.
 
It has limited application, due to noise being so prevalent, but where it's
appropriate,  it easily delivers 2x2meg to the customer @ 10 customers / 5 
mhz AP with capacity to spare.It's freaky picky, with environment 
changes like rain, humidity, snow, fog, etc.Rain, snow, fog, ice all 
IMPROVE forest penetration.
 
Longest production use is customers @ 6 miles.
 
Otherwise, it's normally deployed in dense forest and limited to about 1
mile or 2 if you have plenty of open space,  not dense forest.
 
Noise?   There's oodles of noise generators out there, often making up to 
1/2 the band unusable, even in rural areas.
 
 
 
 
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Subject: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers
 
  

Please contact me offline if you
 
a) If you have long-time 900 MHz deployment experience and consider 
yourself a 900 MHz pioneer, or
 
b) If you have extensive experience tracking down and solving 900 MHz 
interference problems.
 
Thanks,
 
jack
818-227-4220
jun...@ask-wi.com
 
 
 
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

2010-06-15 Thread Jeremie Chism
I have also seen improvements during periods of rain and fog. Not sure  
why but it is noticable. Signal even seems to be stronger during rain.

I am in a very congested area and have 900 MHz delivering 1.5/1 to  
police cars working in a place that has scada and other noise in a  
very close proximity to my ap's. But doing this I learned a lot about  
what works and what doesn't.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2010, at 9:57 PM, "Robert West"  wrote:

> "Variable Success".  I love it!
>
> Bob-
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org]  
> On
> Behalf Of MDK
> Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:03 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers
>
> Been using 900 with variable success for about 4 years now.
> Started with
> SR-9's and now have XR9 / STar-OS gear deployed.   Love it.   It's  
> almost as
>
> fast as 5 gig, for a given channel size, and is incredibly better at  
> tree
> penetration than is 2.4 or 5 gig.
>
> It has limited application, due to noise being so prevalent, but  
> where it's
> appropriate,  it easily delivers 2x2meg to the customer @ 10  
> customers / 5
> mhz AP with capacity to spare.It's freaky picky, with environment
> changes like rain, humidity, snow, fog, etc.Rain, snow, fog, ice  
> all
> IMPROVE forest penetration.
>
> Longest production use is customers @ 6 miles.
>
> Otherwise, it's normally deployed in dense forest and limited to  
> about 1
> mile or 2 if you have plenty of open space,  not dense forest.
>
> Noise?   There's oodles of noise generators out there, often making  
> up to
> 1/2 the band unusable, even in rural areas.
>
>
>
>
> ++
> Neofast, Inc, Making internet easy
> 541-969-8200  509-386-4589
> ++++++++++
>
> --
> From: "Jack Unger" 
> Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:28 PM
> To: "WISPA General List" ; 
> Subject: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers
>
>> Please contact me offline if you
>>
>> a) If you have long-time 900 MHz deployment experience and consider
>> yourself a 900 MHz pioneer, or
>>
>> b) If you have extensive experience tracking down and solving 900 MHz
>> interference problems.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> jack
>> 818-227-4220
>> jun...@ask-wi.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
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>> Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing Serving the
>> Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since
>> 1993
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

2010-06-15 Thread Blair Davis




Well, it sure sounds better than...

'It works when it wants to.'


Robert West wrote:

  "Variable Success".  I love it!

Bob-



-Original Message-
From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
Behalf Of MDK
Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:03 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

Been using 900 with variable success for about 4 years now.   Started with 
SR-9's and now have XR9 / STar-OS gear deployed.   Love it.   It's almost as

fast as 5 gig, for a given channel size, and is incredibly better at tree
penetration than is 2.4 or 5 gig.

It has limited application, due to noise being so prevalent, but where it's
appropriate,  it easily delivers 2x2meg to the customer @ 10 customers / 5 
mhz AP with capacity to spare.It's freaky picky, with environment 
changes like rain, humidity, snow, fog, etc.Rain, snow, fog, ice all 
IMPROVE forest penetration.

Longest production use is customers @ 6 miles.

Otherwise, it's normally deployed in dense forest and limited to about 1
mile or 2 if you have plenty of open space,  not dense forest.

Noise?   There's oodles of noise generators out there, often making up to 
1/2 the band unusable, even in rural areas.




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Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:28 PM
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Subject: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

  
  
Please contact me offline if you

a) If you have long-time 900 MHz deployment experience and consider 
yourself a 900 MHz pioneer, or

b) If you have extensive experience tracking down and solving 900 MHz 
interference problems.

Thanks,

jack
818-227-4220
jun...@ask-wi.com



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Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

2010-06-15 Thread Robert West
"Variable Success".  I love it!

Bob-



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From: wireless-boun...@wispa.org [mailto:wireless-boun...@wispa.org] On
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Sent: Tuesday, June 15, 2010 7:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

Been using 900 with variable success for about 4 years now.   Started with 
SR-9's and now have XR9 / STar-OS gear deployed.   Love it.   It's almost as

fast as 5 gig, for a given channel size, and is incredibly better at tree
penetration than is 2.4 or 5 gig.

It has limited application, due to noise being so prevalent, but where it's
appropriate,  it easily delivers 2x2meg to the customer @ 10 customers / 5 
mhz AP with capacity to spare.It's freaky picky, with environment 
changes like rain, humidity, snow, fog, etc.Rain, snow, fog, ice all 
IMPROVE forest penetration.

Longest production use is customers @ 6 miles.

Otherwise, it's normally deployed in dense forest and limited to about 1
mile or 2 if you have plenty of open space,  not dense forest.

Noise?   There's oodles of noise generators out there, often making up to 
1/2 the band unusable, even in rural areas.




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Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:28 PM
To: "WISPA General List" ; 
Subject: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

> Please contact me offline if you
>
> a) If you have long-time 900 MHz deployment experience and consider 
> yourself a 900 MHz pioneer, or
>
> b) If you have extensive experience tracking down and solving 900 MHz 
> interference problems.
>
> Thanks,
>
> jack
> 818-227-4220
> jun...@ask-wi.com
>
>
>
> --
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

2010-06-15 Thread MDK
Been using 900 with variable success for about 4 years now.   Started with 
SR-9's and now have XR9 / STar-OS gear deployed.   Love it.   It's almost as 
fast as 5 gig, for a given channel size, and is incredibly better at tree 
penetration than is 2.4 or 5 gig.

It has limited application, due to noise being so prevalent, but where it's 
appropriate,  it easily delivers 2x2meg to the customer @ 10 customers / 5 
mhz AP with capacity to spare.It's freaky picky, with environment 
changes like rain, humidity, snow, fog, etc.Rain, snow, fog, ice all 
IMPROVE forest penetration.

Longest production use is customers @ 6 miles.

Otherwise, it's normally deployed in dense forest and limited to about 1 
mile or 2 if you have plenty of open space,  not dense forest.

Noise?   There's oodles of noise generators out there, often making up to 
1/2 the band unusable, even in rural areas.




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Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 10:28 PM
To: "WISPA General List" ; 
Subject: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

> Please contact me offline if you
>
> a) If you have long-time 900 MHz deployment experience and consider
> yourself a 900 MHz pioneer, or
>
> b) If you have extensive experience tracking down and solving 900 MHz
> interference problems.
>
> Thanks,
>
> jack
> 818-227-4220
> jun...@ask-wi.com
>
>
>
> -- 
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

2010-06-14 Thread Blair Davis




What exactly are you looking for?

We did our first 900MHz link using RF Linx 915UDC's in 2002.  Used
those until last year.

In 2009,started using UBNT XR9 cards. 

Blair

Jack Unger wrote:

  Please contact me offline if you

a) If you have long-time 900 MHz deployment experience and consider 
yourself a 900 MHz pioneer, or

b) If you have extensive experience tracking down and solving 900 MHz 
interference problems.

Thanks,

jack
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

2010-06-14 Thread Jeromie Reeves
Same here. Competitor on 900, Power co-op used some 900 but ended up
going with turtle meters (basically X10 built into the meter) and has
data links from all the sub-stations. I am going to give Ubnt 900 a
go, for those "I need it, I do not care how it works" clients who have
no location options for a relay. Right now we try and pull all the sat
net setups and move them out to the boonies, then figure out how to
get to them asap.

On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 3:16 AM, Mike  wrote:
> I avoid 900 MHz like the plague.  Not only does telemetry and GPS
> positioning trash the band, my competitor located there.  :-)
>
> Friendly Regards,
>
> Mike
>
>
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> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers
>
> My experience exactly. After 6 years of Trango 900 success the 900 SCADA
> and remote Meters for the Water dept. screwed it up. Add in only 3 meg
> of throughput and we are moving away from 900 except for extreme trees.
>
> It is very rural here, some of our customers don't even have
> electricity.   I started the remote meter installation when I worked for
> the water company and probably wiped myself out. The SCADA came later
> and was the last nail in the 900 coffin. Now the water guy can drive the
> back roads at 45  miles an hour and read 1,000 meters in a day.   Crap,
> everyone is moving here from California. Good for Internet, BAD for 900.
>
>
> On 6/13/2010 11:14 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
>> What are you seeing?
>>
>> Ran Canopy 900 for nearly 6 years before finally getting run off by PG&E
> smart meters.
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

2010-06-14 Thread Mike
I avoid 900 MHz like the plague.  Not only does telemetry and GPS
positioning trash the band, my competitor located there.  :-)

Friendly Regards,
 
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Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 3:28 AM
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Subject: Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

My experience exactly. After 6 years of Trango 900 success the 900 SCADA 
and remote Meters for the Water dept. screwed it up. Add in only 3 meg 
of throughput and we are moving away from 900 except for extreme trees.

It is very rural here, some of our customers don't even have 
electricity.   I started the remote meter installation when I worked for 
the water company and probably wiped myself out. The SCADA came later 
and was the last nail in the 900 coffin. Now the water guy can drive the 
back roads at 45  miles an hour and read 1,000 meters in a day.   Crap, 
everyone is moving here from California. Good for Internet, BAD for 900.


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> What are you seeing?
>
> Ran Canopy 900 for nearly 6 years before finally getting run off by PG&E
smart meters.
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

2010-06-14 Thread Gary Garrett
My experience exactly. After 6 years of Trango 900 success the 900 SCADA 
and remote Meters for the Water dept. screwed it up. Add in only 3 meg 
of throughput and we are moving away from 900 except for extreme trees.

It is very rural here, some of our customers don't even have 
electricity.   I started the remote meter installation when I worked for 
the water company and probably wiped myself out. The SCADA came later 
and was the last nail in the 900 coffin. Now the water guy can drive the 
back roads at 45  miles an hour and read 1,000 meters in a day.   Crap, 
everyone is moving here from California. Good for Internet, BAD for 900.


On 6/13/2010 11:14 PM, Jerry Richardson wrote:
> What are you seeing?
>
> Ran Canopy 900 for nearly 6 years before finally getting run off by PG&E 
> smart meters.
>
>
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Re: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

2010-06-13 Thread Jerry Richardson
What are you seeing?

Ran Canopy 900 for nearly 6 years before finally getting run off by PG&E smart 
meters.



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Subject: [WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

Please contact me offline if you

a) If you have long-time 900 MHz deployment experience and consider 
yourself a 900 MHz pioneer, or

b) If you have extensive experience tracking down and solving 900 MHz 
interference problems.

Thanks,

jack
818-227-4220
jun...@ask-wi.com
   


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Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing
Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993
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[WISPA] Looking for 900 MHz pioneers

2010-06-13 Thread Jack Unger
Please contact me offline if you

a) If you have long-time 900 MHz deployment experience and consider 
yourself a 900 MHz pioneer, or

b) If you have extensive experience tracking down and solving 900 MHz 
interference problems.

Thanks,

jack
818-227-4220
jun...@ask-wi.com
   


-- 
Jack Unger - President, Ask-Wi.Com, Inc.
Network Design - Technical Training - Technical Writing
Serving the Broadband Wireless, Networking and Telecom Communities since 1993
www.ask-wi.com  818-227-4220  jun...@ask-wi.com







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