RE: [WIRELESS-LAN] Anybody know anything about http://www.obxcc.com/

[Eric T. Barnett]

Thanks for the input folks. I'm of like mind.

I was REALLY hoping someone on the list had dealt with these folks. I guess 
that's telling in and of itself.

--Eric

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The lifecycle difference of wifi (3-5yr) vs lighting (10yr+?) also raises some 
serious concern.


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Nope.  For a minute I thought it was similar to Philip's Connected lighting 
(http://www.usa.lighting.philips.com/systems/connected-lighting.html).  But 
that use case is a PoE light buib that is also a sensor.

I've never seen someone embedding AP's into lighting fixtures.

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 10:50 AM, Dexter Caldwell 
> wrote:
I don't know the product, but I'll second that impression.  Seems sketchy at 
best.  The website is basically useless.

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It looks potentially horrible, but is scant on real details.

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Good morning,

Our facilities group is looking at doing a pilot project of OBX's all-in-one 
lighting solution. From first glance, it looks like their wireless is iffy at 
best. Has anyone worked with these folks or know anything about them?

Regards,
Eric Barnett



Eric Barnett
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Information and Technology Services Arkansas State University

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Xbox 360 connection issues? - Aruba

[Jonathan Waldrep]

 We've seen where 1st gen 360s (with a USB wireless adapter) will not
connect. The error message and research indicated that it will not connect
if there is more than one BSSID to choose from. It is definitely one of the
more absurd things I've run across.

 We don't have any history with trying to connect to older models to know
if this made any difference (we're using 225/224s and 215/214s in the
residential halls). Newer 360s seem to connect just fine.

--
Jonathan Waldrep
Network Engineer
Network Infrastructure and Services
Virginia Tech

On Wed, Jan 11, 2017 at 9:26 AM, Williams, Jess 
wrote:

> I'm reaching out to see if anyone has experienced issues with Xbox 360s
> not connecting to Aruba AP 215s or 225s?  There aren't any issues with the
> 360s connecting to AP 105s.
>
>
> Jess Williams
>
> University of Tennessee at Chattanooga
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RE: Prime Infrastructure Validated Alternatives

[Watters, John]

The major/worst change is the terrible waste of horizontal screen space (loss 
of dragable width columns and the vertical command bar along the left side of 
the screen that, though shrinkable, takes way too much room [the old thin band 
across the top was *much* nicer]). In fact, many things take up too much room, 
including the device counts (new, up, down, mismatched, rogue, clients, & 
alerts) across the top. It all looks good but makes the product much slower to 
navigate through since you are constantly trying to get stuff out of the way so 
you can see what you need. In addition,, the nice pop-up chart of usage charts 
that showed the last 2 hours, day, week, and year has been torn apart so you 
can’t see them all a the same time. The more I use the new interface (currently 
I am on 8.2.1.1) the more I want to go back to an older version (even with the 
loss of usage data that would come with that change).

John Watters
Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology
The University of Alabama
A115 Gordon Palmer Hall
Box 870346
Tuscaloosa, AL 35487
Phone 205-348-3992
john.watt...@ua.edu
[The University of Alabama]

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There have recently (past year or so) been large changes to the UI so it would 
only be vaguely familiar to you.


Bruce Osborne
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Network Operations - Wireless

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From: Lee H Badman [mailto:lhbad...@syr.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: Prime Infrastructure Validated Alternatives

Thanks, John. Way back when Airwave was its own company, and did fair amount of 
testing AMP for articles I wrote for Network Computing. I think I may have 
touched it once after Aruba bought Airwave (man, oh man I was hoping Cisco 
would buy them as an early WCS customer). So… I feel like I have at least a 
conversational familiarity with the UI, etc. and you’re hitting on my concerns- 
like how often does it get updated and are there any gaps in its ability to 
config controllers/APs. And.. scalability, VM capabilities, etc.

Thanks-

Lee

Lee Badman | CWNE #200 | Network Architect

Information Technology Services
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120 Smith Drive
Syracuse, New York 13244
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SYRACUSE UNIVERSITY
syr.edu

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Using HP/Aruba/Airwave AMPs (3) to support 3 MPLS areas on campus. Reporting is 
much better than PI (at least, the last time I looked, which has been awhile). 
Management of Cisco WLC & AP configs is good, but not great. Mainly, this is 
due to them not keeping up with the latest WLC code changes. But, it is still 
quite manageable. will be glad to talk more off line about it or give a quick 
demo. The last I heard, the University of Texas (Austin) is also using the 
Airwave product.

John Watters
Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology
The University of Alabama
A115 Gordon Palmer Hall
Box 870346
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Phone 205-348-3992
john.watt...@ua.edu
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Using it yes. Happily, no.

Much better than it was (I am told), but leaves a lot to be desired.   “A work 
in Progress” would be my summation.

Ian Lyons
Network Engineer
Rollins College

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Is anyone even happily using PI?

On 10 January 2017 at 15:33, Lee H Badman 
> wrote:

This comes up on occasion, and I'm hoping to hear actual cases of users, versus 
"have you heard about blah blah blah?"



For large Cisco WLAN environments on the list, is 

Xbox 360 connection issues? - Aruba

[Williams, Jess]

I'm reaching out to see if anyone has experienced issues with Xbox 360s not 
connecting to Aruba AP 215s or 225s?  There aren't any issues with the 360s 
connecting to AP 105s.


Jess Williams

University of Tennessee at Chattanooga

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Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Prime Infrastructure Validated Alternatives

[Julian Y Koh]

> On Jan 11, 2017, at 07:31, Lee H Badman  wrote:
> 
> I was a fan of WLSE, actually.
> 

We used it and WLSM quite successfully here as well for our first generation 
wireless network deployments.  It was one of those deals where just about 
everyone else was complaining constantly about it and we seemed to be just 
incredibly lucky to not have any of those problems.  I have no idea what we 
were doing differently, but I’ll take it.  :)

-- 
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Associate Director, Telecommunications and Network Services
Northwestern Information Technology

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RE: Prime Infrastructure Validated Alternatives

[Lee H Badman]

I was a fan of WLSE, actually.

Lee Badman | CWNE #200 | Network Architect

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So it is better than Cisco WLSE was for their fat APs?


Bruce Osborne
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Network Operations - Wireless

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From: Ian Lyons [mailto:ily...@rollins.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: Prime Infrastructure Validated Alternatives

Using it yes. Happily, no.

Much better than it was (I am told), but leaves a lot to be desired.   “A work 
in Progress” would be my summation.

Ian Lyons
Network Engineer
Rollins College

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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Prime Infrastructure Validated Alternatives

Is anyone even happily using PI?

On 10 January 2017 at 15:33, Lee H Badman 
> wrote:

This comes up on occasion, and I'm hoping to hear actual cases of users, versus 
"have you heard about blah blah blah?"



For large Cisco WLAN environments on the list, is anyone happily and 
effectively using non-homegrown wireless management other than Prime 
Infrastructure?



Regards,



Lee






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RE: Prime Infrastructure Validated Alternatives

[Osborne, Bruce W (Network Operations)]

We use Airwave in monitor-mode for our Aruba wireless. Aruba’s master-local 
controller structure centralizes most wireless configuration management anyway.


Bruce Osborne
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Network Operations - Wireless

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From: Watters, John [mailto:john.watt...@ua.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: Prime Infrastructure Validated Alternatives

It's hard to tell how often they work on the Cisco parts of the product. I do 
know that they accepted a bug that I found recently -- radio levels and the 
corresponding dBm levels were incorrect, even varying between multiple devices 
of the same mode. For instance, the power level of a 2700i AP could be reported 
as 1(20 dBm) and an identical AP could report 1(22 dBm). And, this is not just 
for newer models. As new features are added to the WLCs, these generally get 
left behind (at least until a bunch of folks complain). I typically use the AMP 
for the majority of my work. However, if I am dealing with a newer feature, I 
usually put the AMP into monitor-only mode, make the changes directly to the 
WLC (GUI and/or CLI), then wait to see if the AMP even detects the change -- 
usually not. Since I only have five 8510s right now (one for each of our MPLS 
areas plus one for testing plus one for Athletics) I don’t have to touch too 
many WLCs. My three AMPs are currently physical Dell servers. The lightest 
loaded one supports just under 2K APs  with two 8510s and the highest loaded 
one supports just over 3K APs and one 8510. The middle one has about 2,500 APs 
and two 8510s. This is about as many APs as I feel comfortable with on the 
8510s anyway (I think their rated max is 6K). The Dell servers are relatively 
new with SSD drives and a lot of memory. I am starting to look at upgrading 
them though to try to get quicker response times. The AMP is supposed to be 
able to be run on a VM. However, I have opted out of that for now.

Another thing that currently irritates me about the AMP is the use of screen 
space. Slightly older versions have user-dragable column widths while the 
newest versions seem to scale a column somewhat larger that the max value 
presented in the column on the screen. The screen will scroll left and right 
but you lose visibility to the name of the device as it scrolls off the left 
side of the screen. With the older user-dragable column widths you could often 
get away with a column only a couple of characters wide if it had something in 
it like device status (up, down, ignored, planned down, pending). I don’t need 
to see the full word to see what the status is. The screen I am looking at now 
has a column width in excess of 20 spaces with the AP client count in it. I 
can’t possibly get that many clients on a single AP (can you?). Most/all column 
widths are greatly oversized.

Another boy in our group has been paying with the current PI product to help 
with switch & wireless management. He has no bias against it based on past 
experience (since he had never seen it before). I don’t think he is very 
impressed since he never mentions it and I have never seen him playing with it.

I expect that at some time we will have to abandon the AMPs simply because the 
incorporation of new Cisco features seems to be getting further and further 
behind. However, historical reporting is excellent. Reporting can easily be 
scheduled on a periodic basis with data being kept (per a config option) for 
over a year. Ad hoc reporting is also extremely easy.

If HP would invest more in this product it could become really great for a 
Cisco shop. As it is now, it probably depends on the number of WLCs you use (it 
does also support the old standalone APs that are still in use; I even have a 
couple for special stuff) and how close to the most recent Cisco code release 
you are using. I am now on 8.0.140.0. SO, I am not yet current. On the other 
hand, I have a few more older AP models to get rid of before I can move ahead. 
It just takes money & time to fix, right?

We could end up with both the AMPs as well as PI.

John Watters
Network Engineer, Office of Information Technology
The University of Alabama
A115 Gordon Palmer Hall
Box 870346
Tuscaloosa, AL 35487
Phone 205-348-3992
john.watt...@ua.edu
[The University of Alabama]

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Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Prime Infrastructure Validated Alternatives

Thanks, John. Way back when Airwave was its own company, and did fair amount of 
testing AMP for articles I wrote for Network Computing. I think I may have 
touched it once after Aruba bought Airwave (man, oh man I was hoping Cisco 

Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Design question

[Bucklaew, Jerry]

David,

   We use 2,500 sq feet per ap for budgetary and planning purposes.  It works 
out pretty close when all is said and done.


On 01/10/2017 01:47 PM, Schuette, David wrote:
> For budgetary planning and rough expectation for number of APs to install.
>
> We are currently looking to start upgrading our buildings to AC wave 2, and 
> was wondering for high density what figure you use to calculate for number of 
> AP's to building rough square footage.
>
> I have been told by Aerohive to use 3000 SQ FT per AP.
>
> So in one of my buildings with 128,132 SQ FT; I would need roughly 43 access 
> points to provide good coverage.
>
> I am in a campus which is shared with other institutions, they use Cisco and 
> have informed me they use 2500 SQFT, which would be 52 units.
>
> Thoughts? What do you use?
>
> Thanks
> David
> David Schuette
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