Re: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?
John Horner wrote: I've noticed that a lot of articles about web design seem to assume that the web developer/designer is working in the commercial sector, and often it's assumed that we're freelance too. I'd argue that not only the articles, but some of the tools and CMS are more aimed at the corporate sector, and in some cases are poorly suited to the government sector. And within the government sector there may be additional or different emphasis on various aspects of web design. One that comes to mind is teh Australian Federal Governments take on accessibility, and its relation to access and equity policies and its implications for developing content on government websites aimed at CALD communities. Andrew -- Andrew Cunningham Research and Development Coordinator (Vicnet) State Library of Victoria 328 Swanston Street Melbourne VIC 3000 Australia Email: andrewc+AEA-vicnet.net.au Alt. email: lang.support+AEA-gmail.com Ph: +613-8664-7430Fax:+613-9639-2175 Mob: 0421-450-816 http://www.slv.vic.gov.au/http://www.vicnet.net.au/ http://www.openroad.net.au/ http://www.mylanguage.gov.au/ http://home.vicnet.net.au/~andrewc/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?
Hi, I am currently Canberra-based and tend to more government than corporate work - I think that this is just the nature of the local market. I've worked in corporate environments in the past, but nowadays mostly government. Best regards, Andrew Andrew Boyd Consultant SMS Management Technology M 0413 048 542 T +61 2 6279 7100 F +61 2 6279 7101 [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] About SMS: Ground Floor, 8 Brindabella Circuit, CANBERRA AIRPORT ACT 2609 www.smsmt.comhttps://magellan.smsmt.com/exchweb/bin/redir.asp?URL=http://www.smsmt.com/ SMS Management Technology (SMS) [ASX:SMX] is Australia's largest, publicly listed Management Services company. We solve complex problems and transform business through Consulting, People and Technology From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jixor - Stephen I [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2007 3:36 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: Re: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private? Yes I'm sure too that would be the norm. Jermayn Parker wrote: I am personally both!! I do not think many people stay in the one field and most 'swing' between corporate and government/ school etc This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you received this message in error or are not the intended recipient, you should destroy the e-mail message and any attachments or copies, and you are prohibited from retaining, distributing, disclosing or using any information contained herein. Please note that any views or opinions presented in this email are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. The recipient should check this email and any attachments for the presence of viruses. The Company accepts no liability for any damage caused by any virus transmitted by this email. Thank you for your cooperation. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?
Public, and I work with a small team of specialists. As far as I see it, the public sector is fairly serious and strong transferable competencies are demanded from you. As such you tend to get less nonsense communication with clients, you're constantly developing a more honest expertise, and you've got more of a record in the area. Freelance commercial work looks more exciting and higher-paid, but a lot less reliable in terms of regularity and client attitudes. At least in the near future I can't imagine relying on commercial work as my chief income. Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?
I work for a commercial agency making microsites and have done freelancing in the private sector too. I haven't to date worked in the Public sector and don't anticipate doing so. I think the private sector probably allows more creative freedom (taking into account company branding) and less red-tape/bureaucracy. *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS
Hi, Can anyone advise on the most accessible, open-source CMS between Joomla, Drupal or Plone? Thanks, Elaine Web Designer http://www.webdandy.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?
On 12/9/07 (06:17) John said: So I wonder, how many people on this list are in the commercial sector and how many are in the non-profit / public / government / education sector? I'm a one-man design studio (can't quite stand the 'boutique' label ;-) and as such I work for whoever brings their business my way, provided they are not a walking ethical outrage. So that makes me a commercial operation, albeit that my biggest web client is a public sector entity here in the UK. -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS
On Sep 12, 2007, at 2:13 AM, Web Dandy Design wrote: Hi, Can anyone advise on the most accessible, open-source CMS between Joomla, Drupal or Plone? Modx cms tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS
Tee G. Peng wrote: On Sep 12, 2007, at 2:13 AM, Web Dandy Design wrote: Hi, Can anyone advise on the most accessible, open-source CMS between Joomla, Drupal or Plone? Modx cms snip Does anyone have any thoughts on Text Pattern? http://www.textpattern.com/ Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au Phone: (+61)0414 869202 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?
I work for commercial agency that handles both government and public work M. Jama big:interactive 91 Princedale Road Holland Park London W11 4NS Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Direct: +44 (0)20 7313 2262 www.biggroup.co.uk -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rick Lecoat Sent: 12 September 2007 10:19 To: Web Standards Group Subject: Re: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private? On 12/9/07 (06:17) John said: So I wonder, how many people on this list are in the commercial sector and how many are in the non-profit / public / government / education sector? I'm a one-man design studio (can't quite stand the 'boutique' label ;-) and as such I work for whoever brings their business my way, provided they are not a walking ethical outrage. So that makes me a commercial operation, albeit that my biggest web client is a public sector entity here in the UK. -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS
Web Dandy Design wrote: Hi, Can anyone advise on the most accessible, open-source CMS between Joomla, Drupal or Plone? No takers? I'll answer the question: Plone. You'll need Python (pretty rare on servers as a whole) as opposed to the far more widespread PHP to run the shebang, but I find it to be far more customisable with far more power. Plus, Python Tal and Metal are extremely easy to understand and manipulate in the templates (should you ever need to). Drupal and Joomla seem to be far easier to install and get running, but after that you're stuck in absolute hell if you want anything other than an elaborate blog (granted, that is all people seem to want these days): Crucially, there are no link libraries. Plone (indeed, the Zope beneath it) simulates folders perfectly so you basically have a file system logic – and keeps a catalogue of all files, pages and sub-elements that can easily be mashed, concatenated or referenced from anywhere else. Plus the number of incredibly advanced products (including such wonderful things as TextIndexNG, which can index MS office files and make them searchable)... It's hands down to me. I'd recommend setting up a virginal Plone and installing the DIYPloneStyle product to get on your way. Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS
Hi, No takers? I'll answer the question: Plone. I'll second that. We've been using Zope for some time in my current workplace and are now moving to Plone. Plone comes out of the box with good standards support, although you'll naturally want to customise the look and feel -- you can give a site its own skin without too much trouble. Plone's templating language uses custom name-spaced attributes (tal: and metal:) embedded within html tags. Python is very powerful, and due to its syntax can be relatively easy to pick up. Plone's very extensible -- you can either write your own add-ons (Products) or install any of the freely available ones from the plone.orgwebsite. There's a very active community behind Plone, so there are always new products being released. However, I would stress that there is a steep learning curve with Plone when you first come to it, especially if you've been used to using PHP/MySQL etc. solutions but it's worth sticking with. The plone.org site has got a lot of useful tutorials, so you should check that out. From an end user's point of view, Plone is very easy to use. The inbuilt text editor (Kupu) is also XHTML compliant, so your users are going to be creating good, clean, standards-compliant code. So, I'd definitely recommend Plone, but would stress you do need to spend some time getting up to speed with it. Thanks, David On 12/09/2007, Barney Carroll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Web Dandy Design wrote: Hi, Can anyone advise on the most accessible, open-source CMS between Joomla, Drupal or Plone? No takers? I'll answer the question: Plone. You'll need Python (pretty rare on servers as a whole) as opposed to the far more widespread PHP to run the shebang, but I find it to be far more customisable with far more power. Plus, Python Tal and Metal are extremely easy to understand and manipulate in the templates (should you ever need to). Drupal and Joomla seem to be far easier to install and get running, but after that you're stuck in absolute hell if you want anything other than an elaborate blog (granted, that is all people seem to want these days): Crucially, there are no link libraries. Plone (indeed, the Zope beneath it) simulates folders perfectly so you basically have a file system logic – and keeps a catalogue of all files, pages and sub-elements that can easily be mashed, concatenated or referenced from anywhere else. Plus the number of incredibly advanced products (including such wonderful things as TextIndexNG, which can index MS office files and make them searchable)... It's hands down to me. I'd recommend setting up a virginal Plone and installing the DIYPloneStyle product to get on your way. Regards, Barney *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- David Little -e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -w: www.littled.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Re: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS
On 9/12/07, Marghanita da Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tee G. Peng wrote: On Sep 12, 2007, at 2:13 AM, Web Dandy Design wrote: Hi, Can anyone advise on the most accessible, open-source CMS between Joomla, Drupal or Plone? Modx cms snip Does anyone have any thoughts on Text Pattern? http://www.textpattern.com/ I do: use Wordpress http://www.wordpress.org/ -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS
Can anyone advise on the most accessible, open-source CMS between Joomla, Drupal or Plone? These and related are as accessible as their programmers make them. I find them all difficult to configure for the reason that one is limited my mambots, modules, plugins, etc which are made to add functions and wysiwyg editors. All the code in the templates (if they can be found even) is integrated into the core and is difficult at best to edit. I find even wordpress editing out code I add to templates and becoming increasingly unusable. Expression Engine on the other hand is as accessible and Standards based as YOU make it. The templates are in the open and stand alone in the sense they aren't wrapped around the core programming and they will output anything put in them. All the xhtml code is right there and not dependent on other core programming or functions. Bruce Prochnau bkdesign solutions - Original Message - From: Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS On 9/12/07, Marghanita da Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tee G. Peng wrote: On Sep 12, 2007, at 2:13 AM, Web Dandy Design wrote: Hi, Can anyone advise on the most accessible, open-source CMS between Joomla, Drupal or Plone? Modx cms snip Does anyone have any thoughts on Text Pattern? http://www.textpattern.com/ I do: use Wordpress http://www.wordpress.org/ -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS
On 12/9/07 (14:55) Bruce said: These and related are as accessible as their programmers make them. I find them all difficult to configure for the reason that one is limited my mambots, modules, plugins, etc which are made to add functions and wysiwyg editors. All the code in the templates (if they can be found even) is integrated into the core and is difficult at best to edit. I find even wordpress editing out code I add to templates and becoming increasingly unusable. Expression Engine on the other hand is as accessible and Standards based as YOU make it. The templates are in the open and stand alone in the sense they aren't wrapped around the core programming and they will output anything put in them. All the xhtml code is right there and not dependent on other core programming or functions. Of course, Expression Engine isn't a freely available Open Source solution, you need to stump up the readies for it. But I recently did a bit of reading in order to find a CMS that could handle (initially) a basic blog and (later) whatever I wanted to throw at it, whilst being both web standards-friendly and design-malleable, and I also decided to opt for Expression Engine. I've barely had a chance to scratch the surface yet (other projects keep getting in the way -- curse those fee- paying clients!) but so far I've not seen anything that makes me regret my choice. And there is a free cut-down version available for those who's budgets are tighter. -- Rick Lecoat *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS
This article may be useful: http://juicystudio.com/article/choosing-an-accessible-cms.php Regards, -Vlad http://xstandard.com XStandard XHTML WYSIWYG Editor for CMS *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
[WSG] width calculation linux / windows
Hey List, I am stuck with a special problem (aren't all problems :-) ). Anyway I have a centered 3col layout with max-width and min-width (resizes nicely to fit 800x600) and left and right col fixed width. I float the columns left,left,right to position the stuff. Needless to say the center column is the one that resizes (width: 100%). Now on windows ie's and opera everything is ok. On Linux latest Firefox is ok, but Opera, Konqueror on Linux sends my right column to the bottom next to my center column. I found out what causes this behaviour, but I cannot seem to fix it. My center column has border-left end border right 1px solid color to distinguish between the columns. When I drop the borders all is well AFAICS in all browsers. I can see that in the two Linux browsers mentioned before the width of the center column is 2px more than in other browsers. This means to me the width is calculated differently here. I tried to move the border declarations to another position in the stylesheets to maybe get a different order in rendering so the calculation of the width of the center column might change. Alas this does not help. Can someone shed light on why this is so on the two Linux browsers and how I can solve this? My example lives here: http://gbo.intermax.nl. Technically this design was very hard to achieve as it is. gRTz ben -- netcreators :: creation and innovation www.netcreators.com - www.typo3.nl *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] How many of us are public and how many private?
Hi, I work for a commercial agency that has government and public clients. gRTz ben John Horner wrote: I've noticed that a lot of articles about web design seem to assume that the web developer/designer is working in the commercial sector, and often it's assumed that we're freelance too. As an example, we'll often see arguments on here based on the target audience meaning e.g. that you're designing a website designed to sell a product -- your product is nappies, therefore your audience is parents with babies. Public websites often have a target audience of everyone. Lots of web content gets made, as Richard Stallman said about software, just because it needs to be made: shrink-wrapped, boxed commercial software is the tip of the iceberg compared to all the apps and drivers and utilities and tools in the world which are created without any thought of profit, simply because they're needed. So I wonder, how many people on this list are in the commercial sector and how many are in the non-profit / public / government / education sector? == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- netcreators :: creation and innovation www.netcreators.com - www.typo3.nl Interesse in werken bij Netcreators? http://www.netcreators.com/bedrijf/vacatures/ *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
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Re: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS
I use both Wordpress and Expression Engine and don't find WP any less capable of outputting exactly what you put into it than EE. The only time I find you ever have to edit core WP files is if you're using the inbuilt sidebar widgets functionality; otherwise it's not an issue. On Wed, 12 Sep 2007 23:55:34 +1000, Bruce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip These and related are as accessible as their programmers make them. I find them all difficult to configure for the reason that one is limited my mambots, modules, plugins, etc which are made to add functions and wysiwyg editors. All the code in the templates (if they can be found even) is integrated into the core and is difficult at best to edit. I find even wordpress editing out code I add to templates and becoming increasingly unusable. Expression Engine on the other hand is as accessible and Standards based as YOU make it. The templates are in the open and stand alone in the sense they aren't wrapped around the core programming and they will output anything put in them. All the xhtml code is right there and not dependent on other core programming or functions. Bruce Prochnau bkdesign solutions - Original Message - From: Christian Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS On 9/12/07, Marghanita da Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I do: use Wordpress http://www.wordpress.org/ -- -- Christian Montoya christianmontoya.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Tyssen Design www.tyssendesign.com.au Ph: (07) 3300 3303 Mb: 0405 678 590 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] width calculation linux / windows
ben van 't ende [netcreators] wrote:
Hey List,
[...] When I drop the borders all is well AFAICS in all browsers. I
can see that in the two Linux browsers mentioned before the width of
the center column is 2px more than in other browsers. This means to
me the width is calculated differently here.
Can someone shed light on why this is so on the two Linux browsers
and how I can solve this?
http://gbo.intermax.nl.
Solution, add...
#right {margin-left: -2px;}
...to pull in the backside margin on that float. That will provide
enough space - as the browsers calculates it.
regards
Georg
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Re: [WSG] width calculation linux / windows
ben van 't ende [netcreators] wrote: Hey List, I am stuck with a special problem (aren't all problems :-) ). Anyway I have a centered 3col layout with max-width and min-width (resizes nicely to fit 800x600) and left and right col fixed width. I float the columns left,left,right to position the stuff. Needless to say the center column is the one that resizes (width: 100%). Now on windows ie's and opera everything is ok. On Linux latest Firefox is ok, but Opera, Konqueror on Linux sends my right column to the bottom next to my center column. I found out what causes this behaviour, but I cannot seem to fix it. My center column has border-left end border right 1px solid color to distinguish between the columns. When I drop the borders all is well AFAICS in all browsers. I can see that in the two Linux browsers mentioned before the width of the center column is 2px more than in other browsers. This means to me the width is calculated differently here. I tried to move the border declarations to another position in the stylesheets to maybe get a different order in rendering so the calculation of the width of the center column might change. Alas this does not help. Can someone shed light on why this is so on the two Linux browsers and how I can solve this? My example lives here: http://gbo.intermax.nl. Technically this design was very hard to achieve as it is. I have just done a revamp of some webpaged and came across the same problem with the third column - except in my case it was on IE on windows (had to change max-width to width). I use ICEweazel on linux which is much the same as firefox. You might like to test following urls and check out their style sheets note it is in XHTML the second HTML4.01 http://www.ramin.com.au/travel-guide http://www.ramin.com.au/linux/ If the first one works for you, then drop width and make float none on center panel. Marghanita -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au Phone: (+61)0414 869202 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] width calculation linux / windows
Wow! Gunlaug. Amazing I knew there had to be a solution. I am still wondering
why this works. Isn't CSS wonderous?
tHNx a lot
ben
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote:
ben van 't ende [netcreators] wrote:
Hey List,
[...] When I drop the borders all is well AFAICS in all browsers. I
can see that in the two Linux browsers mentioned before the width of
the center column is 2px more than in other browsers. This means to me
the width is calculated differently here.
Can someone shed light on why this is so on the two Linux browsers and
how I can solve this?
http://gbo.intermax.nl.
Solution, add...
#right {margin-left: -2px;}
...to pull in the backside margin on that float. That will provide
enough space - as the browsers calculates it.
regards
Georg
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www.netcreators.com - www.typo3.nl
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Re: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS
On Sep 12, 2007, at 7:57 AM, Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote: This article may be useful: http://juicystudio.com/article/choosing-an-accessible-cms.php Hmm, I wonder why they didn't include Modx. The survey was done in May, maybe Modx (v 0.9.5) wasn't quite ready yet! The v.9.6 has improved a lot and we are promised something even sweeter in the next release. That said, if you pay attention and practice web standards, it will be a fooled to not pay attention to certain things from certain people in the web standards groups. The same goes with Modx CMS, if you are looking for a scalable, accessible and web standards compliant CMS that offers many flexible and powerful features through plugins and snippets, it will be a fool that you don't even spend a few minutes to take a look simply because you already have a favorite ones. Dive into Modx and make a template (or convert one of your static CSS/ XHTML layout) isn't difficult at all. Modx is very user-friendly for web designer however the learning curve is a bit higher (but not more than WP, Joomla, Textpattern, EE, Plone of the sort in my opinion (I have tested them all)) if one PHP knowledge's is a bit weak (someone like me). Currently Modx lacks a good documentation and the admin interface have room to improved (again! we are promised that they will be changed in the next release); Many tips and tutorials are hidden in the Forum that need a bit of digging and dedication. Modx doesn't control/limit what you want as far as code and functionality concerned; it gives you what you want to have, the way you wanted it. Personally I don't think there is a fully accessible WYSIWYG Editor existed that delivers pure clean code. TINY MCE is the default plugin for Modx which I find difficult to use and a memory eater; I prefer something like textile from Textpattern; someone was making Markdown integration I think. It has a QuickEdit front-end content editor which I like very much. Ditto, Jot and Reflect snippets make Modx a wonderful Blog CMS (if you only want a blog). Ditto aggregates articles (aka documents) (this snippet can do a lot more tasks); Jot takes care of comments and Reflect handles the archives. There is a plugin called PHx (Placeholders Xtended), enable, can add the capability of output modifiers using placeholders, template variables (A very powerful feature of Modx - you no longer limited to Content area) and settings tags. Jot + PHx, you get: moderate, edit, delete comments at front- end. As for the ping and trackback features that bloggers concern about, there is a Trackback snippet, and a Japanese developer wrote a SendPing module : [quote]: What does this plugin do? This plugin is supposed to send pings to various (editable) websites using the XML-RCP library and ping protocol. The goal of this is to update these services that there has been added new content to your website, which will make sure these services crawl your website. This feature is mainly interesting for those who use MODx to blog, but the usage of pings is growing all the time as it's an comfortable way to instantly get updated data for search engines. In addition to this it'll also notify Google that your site has new content and your sitemap.xml should be spidered again (exact filename also configurable). Also, according to ZeRo's email this currently supports multi domains, which could be useful for the heavy users. What doesn't it do? It wont make you coffee nor breakfast, sadly, in addition to that it doesn't automatically notify these services as of now; you'll have to run the module manually, ZeRo has planned a plugin to handle this with his next version. Trackback allows blogger to send/receive pings to other blogs whereas SendPing will notify blog search engines/social networking sites [/quote] Many interesting and powerful snippets/plugins/modules that can enhance features, functions and make your live sweeter, can be found in 'forum In Development'. Lastly, I almost hate to mention my site as it hasn't completed yet - it's powered by Modx using just a few snippets/plugin with a nothing- to-show-blog. This is not a good example to demonstrate how flexible and scalable and accessible Modx can give you, but I hope it's a good example of 'artisan's work' (borrowed Partrick's word) made by Modx. In the blog individual article page, I even managed to score WCAG AAA. http://tinyurl.com/3deh87 tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS
On 12/09/2007, at 7:13 PM, Web Dandy Design wrote: Hi, Can anyone advise on the most accessible, open-source CMS between Joomla, Drupal or Plone? Thanks, I'd encourage you to take a look at Silverstripe. It's flexible -- you have *full* control of the markup that it outputs and it's surprisingly easy to implement. All the content (including files and newsletters) are managed through a WYSIWG administration interface. It utilises TinyMCE. It's under active development with the full backing of a New Zealand based company. More importantly, Silverstripe is open source (BSD licence). Here's an online demo that you can take a look at: http://demo.silverstripe.com/ I find Silverstripe a pleasure to work wtih, especially after using Drupal. Cheers, Tate *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS
Tee wrote: Personally I don't think there is a fully accessible WYSIWYG Editor existed that delivers pure clean code. It all depends on how you define fully. XStandard has a keyboard accessible interface and most definitely delivers clean, accessible markup. Regards, -Vlad http://xstandard.com Original Message From: Tee G. Peng Date: 2007-09-12 7:46 PM On Sep 12, 2007, at 7:57 AM, Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote: This article may be useful: http://juicystudio.com/article/choosing-an-accessible-cms.php Hmm, I wonder why they didn't include Modx. The survey was done in May, maybe Modx (v 0.9.5) wasn't quite ready yet! The v.9.6 has improved a lot and we are promised something even sweeter in the next release. That said, if you pay attention and practice web standards, it will be a fooled to not pay attention to certain things from certain people in the web standards groups. The same goes with Modx CMS, if you are looking for a scalable, accessible and web standards compliant CMS that offers many flexible and powerful features through plugins and snippets, it will be a fool that you don't even spend a few minutes to take a look simply because you already have a favorite ones. Dive into Modx and make a template (or convert one of your static CSS/XHTML layout) isn't difficult at all. Modx is very user-friendly for web designer however the learning curve is a bit higher (but not more than WP, Joomla, Textpattern, EE, Plone of the sort in my opinion (I have tested them all)) if one PHP knowledge's is a bit weak (someone like me). Currently Modx lacks a good documentation and the admin interface have room to improved (again! we are promised that they will be changed in the next release); Many tips and tutorials are hidden in the Forum that need a bit of digging and dedication. Modx doesn't control/limit what you want as far as code and functionality concerned; it gives you what you want to have, the way you wanted it. Personally I don't think there is a fully accessible WYSIWYG Editor existed that delivers pure clean code. TINY MCE is the default plugin for Modx which I find difficult to use and a memory eater; I prefer something like textile from Textpattern; someone was making Markdown integration I think. It has a QuickEdit front-end content editor which I like very much. Ditto, Jot and Reflect snippets make Modx a wonderful Blog CMS (if you only want a blog). Ditto aggregates articles (aka documents) (this snippet can do a lot more tasks); Jot takes care of comments and Reflect handles the archives. There is a plugin called PHx (Placeholders Xtended), enable, can add the capability of output modifiers using placeholders, template variables (A very powerful feature of Modx - you no longer limited to Content area) and settings tags. Jot + PHx, you get: moderate, edit, delete comments at front-end. As for the ping and trackback features that bloggers concern about, there is a Trackback snippet, and a Japanese developer wrote a SendPing module : [quote]: What does this plugin do? This plugin is supposed to send pings to various (editable) websites using the XML-RCP library and ping protocol. The goal of this is to update these services that there has been added new content to your website, which will make sure these services crawl your website. This feature is mainly interesting for those who use MODx to blog, but the usage of pings is growing all the time as it's an comfortable way to instantly get updated data for search engines. In addition to this it'll also notify Google that your site has new content and your sitemap.xml should be spidered again (exact filename also configurable). Also, according to ZeRo's email this currently supports multi domains, which could be useful for the heavy users. What doesn't it do? It wont make you coffee nor breakfast, sadly, in addition to that it doesn't automatically notify these services as of now; you'll have to run the module manually, ZeRo has planned a plugin to handle this with his next version. Trackback allows blogger to send/receive pings to other blogs whereas SendPing will notify blog search engines/social networking sites [/quote] Many interesting and powerful snippets/plugins/modules that can enhance features, functions and make your live sweeter, can be found in 'forum In Development'. Lastly, I almost hate to mention my site as it hasn't completed yet - it's powered by Modx using just a few snippets/plugin with a nothing-to-show-blog. This is not a good example to demonstrate how flexible and scalable and accessible Modx can give you, but I hope it's a good example of 'artisan's work' (borrowed Partrick's word) made by Modx. In the blog individual article page, I even managed to score WCAG AAA. http://tinyurl.com/3deh87 tee
Re: [WSG] width calculation linux / windows
ben van 't ende [netcreators] wrote: Wow! Gunlaug. Amazing I knew there had to be a solution. I am still wondering why this works. Isn't CSS wonderous? Yes, CSS can be wondrous at times. A block-element occupy space to the outside of its margins. Floats are no exception, but negative back-side margins' effect on floats and space may be slightly harder to grasp... http://www.gunlaug.no/tos/moa_16.html regards Georg -- http://www.gunlaug.no *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS
On Sep 12, 2007, at 5:43 PM, Vlad Alexander (XStandard) wrote: Tee wrote: Personally I don't think there is a fully accessible WYSIWYG Editor existed that delivers pure clean code. It all depends on how you define fully. XStandard has a keyboard accessible interface and most definitely delivers clean, accessible markup. Well, yesterday I finally learned that the Mac version finally came out - a very long wait, must be at least 2 year; after 6 months of waiting, I gave up and completely forgotten as if it never existed. Haven't try the lite version so I will take your word and give a benefit of doubt, but until then I will reserve my insignificant 2 cents :) I remember there was a thread regarding XStandard porting to Modx and you and the developers were going to see if possible. That seems went dead? tee *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
RE: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS
I don't mean to be difficult, but I'm always baffled by this question. A CMS, presumably, outputs the code you tell it to output. Whether it serves up accessible/valid is completely up to you. To put it another way, a CMS which won't allow you to output standards-based code is by definition not a CMS although of course we might really be asking about degrees of difficulty. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Web Dandy Design Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2007 7:14 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS Hi, Can anyone advise on the most accessible, open-source CMS between Joomla, Drupal or Plone? Thanks, Elaine Web Designer http://www.webdandy.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS
John Horner wrote: I don't mean to be difficult, but I'm always baffled by this question. A CMS, presumably, outputs the code you tell it to output. Whether it serves up accessible/valid is completely up to you. To put it another way, a CMS which won't allow you to output standards-based code is by definition not a CMS although of course we might really be asking about degrees of difficulty. From another perspective, could someone relying on assistive technology contribute webpages? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Web Dandy Design Sent: Wednesday, 12 September 2007 7:14 PM To: wsg@webstandardsgroup.org Subject: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS Hi, Can anyone advise on the most accessible, open-source CMS between Joomla, Drupal or Plone? Thanks, Elaine Web Designer http://www.webdandy.co.uk *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** == The information contained in this email and any attachment is confidential and may contain legally privileged or copyright material. It is intended only for the use of the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are not permitted to disseminate, distribute or copy this email or any attachments. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this email from your system. The ABC does not represent or warrant that this transmission is secure or virus free. Before opening any attachment you should check for viruses. The ABC's liability is limited to resupplying any email and attachments == *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *** -- Marghanita da Cruz http://www.ramin.com.au Phone: (+61)0414 869202 *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
Re: [WSG] Accessible Open Source CMS
On 9/13/07, Marghanita da Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From another perspective, could someone relying on assistive technology contribute webpages? This is what i always wonder with these questions, too. I can think of a lot of examples where the administration/editing interface is hopeless. Most CMS can be told to spit out valid and accessible code providing you get off your bum and tell it to, but they're not all accessible to use as an editor. -- Raena Jackson Armitage www.raena.net *** List Guidelines: http://webstandardsgroup.org/mail/guidelines.cfm Unsubscribe: http://webstandardsgroup.org/join/unsubscribe.cfm Help: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ***
