if we had common hardware it might be easier. You can get via c800
boards for $99.
Maytbe you can get a bundle and include the cost in the workshop.
Spend a day hacking on drivers. It ought to be a day.
ron
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Uriel) writes:
> Sounds like a really cool idea, maybe somebody with more experience in
> the subject wants to give a short introduction, and then people can
> start to work on their favorite wanted driver (alone or in groups)
> while the 'expert'(s) in charge of the session can
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 8:36 AM, Mathieu Lonjaret <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Same here.
> I haven't written any serious code in a long time but I'd be very
> interested at least in a tutorial on how to write a file server, or the
> basics steps to write a driver.
>
If you are all planning to do t
Same here.
I haven't written any serious code in a long time but I'd be very
interested at least in a tutorial on how to write a file server, or the
basics steps to write a driver.
Mathieu.
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me too.
Not that I wrote any driver since long ago, but I'm interested.
On Fri, Sep 5
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 1:59 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros <[EMAIL
PROTECTED]>wrote:
> me too.
> Not that I wrote any driver since long ago, but I'm interested.
I'd be pretty interested in learning how to write device drivers for *any*
OS at this point. I've take a few passes at drivers for thing
me too.
Not that I wrote any driver since long ago, but I'm interested.
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 6:33 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Is there anyone out there who's gonna be in Volos and wants to
>> participate in a driver-writing BOF?
>
> Me, kinda goes without saying.
>
> ++L
>
>
>
> I think the one of the BSD projects, OpenBSD perhaps, used to accept
> hardware donations to this end. If we had a wayto get the hardware
> and the technical documentation in the same place as the developers we
> could get more hardware supported.
I believe this is a small factor, but also not
> Are you serious?
> I have a crazy idea: how about you actually write one?
I did, once. At least, I extended the PCNet driver for a particular
model no one else had catered for. There were a few inconsistencies
with expectations, so it never made prime time. Since then, the
memory model change
> Is there anyone out there who's gonna be in Volos and wants to
> participate in a driver-writing BOF?
Me, kinda goes without saying.
++L
Those of us who can't make it could volunteer to be on irc during the
sessions, modulo timezone issues (that's what coffee is for).
ron
Sounds like a really cool idea, maybe somebody with more experience in
the subject wants to give a short introduction, and then people can
start to work on their favorite wanted driver (alone or in groups)
while the 'expert'(s) in charge of the session can answer questions
and help whoever gets stu
Maybe similar sessions for 'file server writing' or 'limbo
programming' might be nice for those not familiar with those subjects
(and thanks to 9vx and hosted the required setups would allow people
with non-plan9 laptops to participate).
Peace
uriel
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 2:41 AM, Uriel <[EMAIL
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 4:03 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Is there anyone out there who's gonna be in Volos and wants to participate
> in a driver-writing BOF?
>
I'm not gonna make it, but it's an interesting idea.
What would be more useful, possibly, is a tutorial on how to write a
driver,
This gets punted around every few months and nothing happens.
I've done some basic information-gathering but got no further for the
usual reasons,
so, in an effort to stimulate some inertia,
here's a small suggestion ...
Is there anyone out there who's gonna be in Volos and wants to
partici
> Sometimes the binary bits are loaded into the cards, maybe most often,
> and therefore can be done in plan9 as well. Depending on the vendor
> you may need permission from them to distribute the binary part.
cf. etherm10g.c. the myricom driver loads a metric ton of firmware into
the card.
> I
> That said, how do we mobilise the community to focus on useful
> drivers? I suppose we start with Ron's wish list, then we explore
> Russ' partially complete postings (i386 emulation, Centrino drivers,
> I'm sure I've forgotten many more) and thirdly we post a list of
> willing contributors, pos
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 1:47 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> if linux can use binary blobs, why can't plan9 do it too?
>
> I think the BLOBs are platform specific, but I may be mistaken. If
> I'm right, there's no way that we'd get any momentum to turn this
> around.
Sometimes the binary bits a
Good luck.
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 8:47 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> if linux can use binary blobs, why can't plan9 do it too?
>
> I think the BLOBs are platform specific, but I may be mistaken. If
> I'm right, there's no way that we'd get any momentum to turn this
> around.
>
> But your ear
> if linux can use binary blobs, why can't plan9 do it too?
I think the BLOBs are platform specific, but I may be mistaken. If
I'm right, there's no way that we'd get any momentum to turn this
around.
But your earlier comment is extremely valid, too few people are
working on drivers. Without wi
if linux can use binary blobs, why can't plan9 do it too?
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 4:03 PM, ron minnich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Latchesar Ionkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> there are more people working on stop-gap solutions than drivers so I
>> wonder how long
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Latchesar Ionkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
there are more people working on stop-gap solutions than drivers so I
wonder how long we'll have to wait for the drivers to be written :)
given the increasing use of binary blobs, maybe forever.
ron
Perhaps integr
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Latchesar Ionkov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> there are more people working on stop-gap solutions than drivers so I
> wonder how long we'll have to wait for the drivers to be written :)
given the increasing use of binary blobs, maybe forever.
ron
wireless network cards.
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 7:02 AM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > other than trying every itiration possible (sum over histories of
>> > software?), i'm not getting the reason why gl
there are more people working on stop-gap solutions than drivers so I
wonder how long we'll have to wait for the drivers to be written :)
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 12:17 PM, Anant Narayanan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 03-Sep-08, at 7:45 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>
> for me, it's the same
> surely you don't own *all* the unsupported cards?
The growing integration makes you own at least one of each :-(
I got the impression that Ron's particular bugbear was the integrated
wireless adapter.
++L
On 03-Sep-08, at 7:45 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
for me, it's the same thing over and over again. drivers.
what drivers are the problem?
Any ethernet or video card that Plan 9 doesn't support (there are
plenty).
surely you don't own *all* the unsupported cards?
No, but I use a Macbook Pro,
>>> for me, it's the same thing over and over again. drivers.
>>
>> what drivers are the problem?
>
> Any ethernet or video card that Plan 9 doesn't support (there are
> plenty).
surely you don't own *all* the unsupported cards?
- erik
On 03-Sep-08, at 3:02 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
other than trying every itiration possible (sum over histories of
software?), i'm not getting the reason why glendix is a good idea.
for me, it's the same thing over an
> On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > other than trying every itiration possible (sum over histories of
> > software?), i'm not getting the reason why glendix is a good idea.
> >
>
> for me, it's the same thing over and over again. drivers.
what drivers
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:38 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> other than trying every itiration possible (sum over histories of
> software?), i'm not getting the reason why glendix is a good idea.
>
for me, it's the same thing over and over again. drivers.
ron
other than trying every itiration possible (sum over histories of
software?), i'm not getting the reason why glendix is a good idea.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Uriel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Interesting. Where is the source for 9sys?
>
It's not worth much.
I've got it if anyone wants it but I would bet glendix is further
along and much better.
ron
Interesting. Where is the source for 9sys?
Peace
uriel
On Wed, Sep 3, 2008 at 1:09 AM, ron minnich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I just stumbled across a talk I gave in 2002:
>
> Here's one slide:
>
> How to fix this (2): 9sys
> We are building a Plan 9 system call set into Linux
> It is only 38
I just stumbled across a talk I gave in 2002:
Here's one slide:
How to fix this (2): 9sys
We are building a Plan 9 system call set into Linux
It is only 38 calls
Three steps
Initial support as ioctl's from a device (/dev/9sys)
Direct integration into Linux system call table
Remove non-Plan 9 syst
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