On Mon, 7 Jul 2003, Jack Campin wrote:
> Braille devices usually work one line at a time, so
> it helps if that line both forms a musically
> meaningful unit and is also not cluttered up with
> noise symbols like !break!.
Come on, how much noise does a "*" make?
Groeten,
Irwin Oppenheim
[EMA
[tunes using ! as mid-source-line staff-line-break]
> ok, I guess that *almost* all of those tunes are from folk
> tradition.
The kind of tunes where it would make the biggest difference to me
aren't - I'm thinking of the late-Baroque-style variation sets on
Scots tunes by James Oswald, for exampl
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003 02:37:43 -0400 (EDT), Jeff Bigler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
[snip]
>P.S. While we're on the subject of the !...! commands, does anyone know
>why the mezzo piano dynamic was left out? I.e., !mp! is not in the
>1.7.6 draft standard, and abcm2ps doesn't implement it. (I
John Chambers writes:
>Bryan Creer writes:
>| John Chambers wrote -
>|
>| >BTW, a year or so back, I had my tune finder's search bot count the
>| >tunes that seemed to come from abc2win.
>| >
>| >Maybe I should revive that code and do another count ...
>|
>| Could you count the tunes that
John Chambers wrote:
> BTW, a year or so back, I had my tune finder's search bot count the
> tunes that seemed to come from abc2win (because of the ! chars, or
> because they had a "% ... abc2win" comment). It came to between 9 and
> 10% of the tunes. It probably is the numeric leader (since
>Bryan Creer writes:
>| and from ABC Music Notation: History written by a certain John Chambers -
>...
>| There is no mention that I can find of when the !...! notation was introduced
>| or when standard 1.7.6 was released as a draft but it looks as if abc2win has
>| a prior claim on "!". I don't
Bryan Creer writes:
| John Chambers wrote -
|
| >BTW, a year or so back, I had my tune finder's search bot count the
| >tunes that seemed to come from abc2win.
| >
| >Maybe I should revive that code and do another count ...
|
| Could you count the tunes that use "!!" ?
Since the code
>This is the wrong way to look at it. abc2win is barely being
>maintained, but tunes created with its aid are the largest single
>corpus on the web. It's the tunes you need to care about, not
>the software.
ok, I guess that *almost* all of those tunes are from folk
tradition. Do you honestly thi
John Chambers wrote -
>BTW, a year or so back, I had my tune finder's search bot count the
>tunes that seemed to come from abc2win.
>
>Maybe I should revive that code and do another count ...
Could you count the tunes that use "!!" ?
Bryan Creer
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Bryan Creer writes:
| and from ABC Music Notation: History written by a certain John Chambers -
...
| There is no mention that I can find of when the !...! notation was introduced
| or when standard 1.7.6 was released as a draft but it looks as if abc2win has
| a prior claim on "!". I don't see ho
On Fri, Jul 04, 2003 at 06:26:16AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> There is no mention that I can find of when the !...! notation was introduced
> or when standard 1.7.6 was released as a draft but it looks as if abc2win has
> a prior claim on "!". I don't see how Jim Vint can be accused of
I know it is fasionable to slag off abc2win on this list (and, obviously, I'm not too keen on it or I wouldn't be writing Abacus) but can we get a little historical perspective?
>From Chris Walshaw's history of ABC on his abc home page -
>The real explosion in interest came when Jim Vint released
> As far as I know, only abc2win has so far used ! as a line terminator,
> and the !...! extensions already exist in the 1.7.6 "draft standard",
Which is not much more than a renamed absm2ps manual.
> which most people on this list seem to agree should be the starting
> point for the new 2.0.0 s
Someone wrote:
> >> According to the BNF definition
> >> http://www.norbeck.nu/abc/abcbnfx.htm
> >> The bang is NOT a line terminator
Jack Campin wrote:
> Which was a booboo on the part of whoever let that through.
> Supporting the existing corpus of tunes is *alone* more
> important than allowing
On Fri, 4 Jul 2003, Jeff Bigler wrote:
> What would folks think of using & for this purpose?
The ampersand is already in use as a voice splitting
symbol. I hope this will be documented in the upcomming
standard.
> I.e., !mp! is not in the 1.7.6 draft standard
Good that you mentioned that. Must
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, I. Oppenheim
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>
>> >When a bang appears at the very END of such an input
>> >line, it forces a line break in the music OUTPUT.
>>
>> The end itself forces a line break, no?
>
>The newline only marks the end of the INPUT line; where
>the line
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jeff Bigler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 23:42:01 +0100
>> From: Jack Campin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>> >> According to the BNF definition
>> >> http://www.norbeck.nu/abc/abcbnfx.htm
>> >> The bang is NOT a line terminator
>>
>> Which was a bo
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Chambers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>
>
>Possibly we could just add a warning about this problem to
>the standard (perhaps in an "Implementation Suggestions"
>section), and suggest this approach for dealing with it.
SOunds good to me.
Bernard Hill
Braebur
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jack Campin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>
>Which was a booboo on the part of whoever let that through.
>Supporting the existing corpus of tunes is *alone* more
>important than allowing an inessential idiosyncratic extension
>in one application.
THAT has to be a good
> Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2003 23:42:01 +0100
> From: Jack Campin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> >> According to the BNF definition
> >> http://www.norbeck.nu/abc/abcbnfx.htm
> >> The bang is NOT a line terminator
>
> Which was a booboo on the part of whoever let that through.
>
> > IOW the ! simulates a line
Jack Campin writes:
|
| But there are thousands of tunes out there using ! as a line terminator;
| like it or not, that is one feature of ABC2WIN's syntax that caught on.
| They matter more than any one application.
I've had to face this with my tune finder's scripts. What I
did was to add some r
>> According to the BNF definition
>> http://www.norbeck.nu/abc/abcbnfx.htm
>> The bang is NOT a line terminator
Which was a booboo on the part of whoever let that through.
Supporting the existing corpus of tunes is *alone* more
important than allowing an inessential idiosyncratic extension
in one
>According to the BNF definition
>http://www.norbeck.nu/abc/abcbnfx.htm
>
>The bang is NOT a line terminator; the newline (\n)
>terminates the INPUT line.
>
>When a bang appears at the very END of such an input
>line, it forces a line break in the music OUTPUT.
Apparently that's not true of the p
>> [!...!] is peculiar to abcm2ps
> It's in the new standard 1.6
>> and will completely screw up ABC2WIN (which uses ! as a line terminator).
> Strikes me that it's abc2win which is up the gum tree for this one.
> And I find very strange stuff in abc2win:
>
> a) +..+ for chords
> b) the writing of
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Bernard Hill wrote:
> >According to the BNF definition
> >http://www.norbeck.nu/abc/abcbnfx.htm
> >
> >The bang is NOT a line terminator; the newline (\n)
> >terminates the INPUT line.
> >
> >When a bang appears at the very END of such an input
> >line, it forces a line break i
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, I. Oppenheim
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Bernard Hill wrote:
>
>> As a programmer I'm very concerned about ! as a line terminator.
>> Now add two line terminators (presumably not illegal)
>>
>> abc abc|!trill! abc abc|! abc abc |! abc abc|
>
>Acco
On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Bernard Hill wrote:
> As a programmer I'm very concerned about ! as a line terminator.
> Now add two line terminators (presumably not illegal)
>
> abc abc|!trill! abc abc|! abc abc |! abc abc|
According to the BNF definition
http://www.norbeck.nu/abc/abcbnfx.htm
The bang is N
As a programmer I'm very concerned about ! as a line terminator.
Consider this abc fragment:
abc abc|!trill!abc abc| abc abc |
- all well and good.
Now add two line terminators (presumably not illegal)
abc abc|!trill! abc abc|! abc abc |! abc abc|
how does a program distinguish between the !tr
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jack Campin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>>> would allow people to go beyond the standard in a way in which other
>>> apps could ignore. (Or pick up.) The rule would simply have to be
>>> that if such elements are omitted, the remaining music has to obey
>>> the sta
>> would allow people to go beyond the standard in a way in which other
>> apps could ignore. (Or pick up.) The rule would simply have to be
>> that if such elements are omitted, the remaining music has to obey
>> the standard and make sense.
> For this kind of in-line stuff, maybe you could use
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