> FWIW, some of us consider OFL to be non-free (it doesn't allow sale
> alone), so won't install fonts using it at all.
Could you explain this further? This is the first I've heard of this issue.
Tim
> Apart for GTK Webkit and QT Webkit, which other variants may be used
> on Linux ?
>
> If a very minimalistic browser is required on Ubuntu Linux, which is the
> best port to take ?
Interested in porting WebKit to FLTK?
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> Still not fond of the M2DXBLA HD Monsters, but they're easy enough to
> turn off.
What's this?
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> We're proud (and relieved) to announce the 1.0 release of Aleph One.
WOW!‼!‼
> Accompanying this release we have a new set of data files for each of the
> games. Marathon has been completely updated to make it as true to the
> original as possible in the engine in its current state, removing M1
> As I indicated in my reply to you, some of the symbols in your list can be
> found in text. And I think I know where I could lay my hands on examples
> for that. For the others, you should know where you've encountered them.
>
> So, the question remains: are these used in text and are you up to
Rick, Yucca, Van, Mark, Asmus, Christoph, and others,
Thank you for all your responses. They have really helped me to clarify the
goal and direction I need to take.
I certainly can appreciate the argument for encoding only textual characters
that already have demonstrated use cases. You can't
Hello!
I'm new here, but have already read some of the online documentation for
proposing new characters. I'm still a bit unsure how to go about it. Or even
who can do it. Can individuals submit ideas, or do you need to be the
representative of some agency or group? How much supporting back
> We are considering to ship a custom build or nightly build of WebKit with
> our application, which runs on Mac OS X 10.5 and later, to take advantage
> of the latest improvements to HTML editing (especially removal of Apple
> style spans). We noticed that the nightly builds come in different
> ve
> May I suggest that the classic ASCII apostrophe (0x27) be used instead of
> the backtick (grave accent, 0x60) for
> U+02bc (Unicode apostrophe) in src/chrtrans/def7_uni.tbl?
As someone who's done a lot of work in def7_uni to try to make these
transliterations useful, I concur. :)
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> And on a related note, why does it send text/css as one of the accept
> types. It doesn't support CSS. Though, it would make sense if Lynx
> themes were based on CSS instead of their own stylesheet format. That
> would basically be killing two birds with one stone.
This would be very cool! E
As far as I remember, the only changes I submitted were minor patches for
NetBSD compatibility. In any case, I don't object to GPL3 for this project.
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> My general advice would be to work on JavaScriptCore first and get it
> building on your platform. There is not too much platform-specific code
> there, and getting it building means your build environment is sound.
I think comprehending the build scripts is the first hurdle. Wending through
th
> I suspect that more programs write to the home directory than anywhere
> else, and I'm slightly in favour of changing AlephOne to write
> screenshots, saved games and recordings there -- mostly for consistency
> with the Windows and MacOS versions, which wouldn't be writing to files in
> their pr
Hello,
The trac page SuccessfulPortHowTo is very anemic. I guess I expected something
more along the lines of "Once you build your GUI, here are the main hooks you
need to get the rendered page displayed in your viewport, and there's a list of
other functions you may find useful." Is there some
> For a beta, we could leave off the delete step. This would allow us to
> exercise much of the new code, at the expense of preferences confusion for
> the user. The old prefs would remain in place for use by previous
> versions, but they would not affect the new beta and would diverge if
> users s
> We should be using ~/Library/Preferences in Mac OS X for preferences,
> instead of ~/Library/Application Support/AlephOne, but we don't because
> the Carbon build preferences were incompatible and located there. It's
> been 5 years, maybe we should move those too.
When's the last time anyone bui
> I am porting webkit to other platform which is a STB with STLinux(
> supplied by ST Semiconductor .,Inc). I want use GTK+ so to comply the
> module Source\WebKit\gtk\webkit( directory of chromium), but get error.
Isn't there already a GTK port of Webkit?
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> There was a discussion on one of the Etoile mailing lists regarding the
> idea of building a full desktop OS, based on Etoile and on the core one
> of one the open source operating systems (FreeBSD, Dragonfly etc).
>
> Are there any active Etoile devs who are interested in this idea? I
> don't h
Makes me wish I was a student again. I'd love to see a GNUstep web browser.
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I know this isn't the best forum for a font question, but I reasoned that
someone having an answer may well be lurking here.
Are there any good, free, monospaced fonts with large Unicode ranges? Editing a
wiki (for example) with Lynx is sometimes dangerous due to the character
conversion. If I
> Not really. The problem is that most Étoilé developers build
> GNUstep, LLVM, and Étoilé from svn. To do a release of anything, we
> need to test that it compiles and works with the latest releases of
> its dependencies.
Ah, I see. Releasing component-wise rather than entire-project-wise al
> We're going to be
> releasing individual components separately, rather than trying to
> synchronise releases of the whole tree moving forward, which should
> make life a bit easier for packagers.
Any more detail about this?
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> not really. lynx is organized much differently inside than would
> work
> with javascript. The best that could be done would be to bolt-on
> some
> ad hoc support to handle a few cases.
I've occasionally wondered about a text-only/curses based implementation of
Gecko or WebKit, that would imp
Related, how well supported are HTML5 elements?
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On the web one can find a blog post from 2008 about an FLTK port. Does anybody
on this list know anything about that? I've tried contacting Terry Xu about
it, to no avail.
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> No. For the beginning, we want it work on console. In future, maybe
> we
> can work on desktop.
When you say "console" I am confused whether you mean something like a tty
"text mode" shell, or the "local display attached to computer".
I proposed a curses port about a week ago, so that you coul
> My friend and I are thinking on making a Javascript OS. After Linux
> boot up the kernel we want to start a shell with WebKit support. Is
> there any work exists like this or any known barrier against our
> idea?
>
> We want to use WebKit for std.out on frame-buffer
>
>
> By WebKit, we mean an
I am curious about porting to FLTK or curses. I found a reference to someone
doing FLTK a couple years ago, but it doesn't seem to be anything official or
even maintained. As far as I know, nobody has ever tried to make a text-only
version. It would certainly be an interesting academic challe
> I did also build that (on more than one Solaris version), but it's
> possible that some particular configure option is exposing the
> problem
> that was reported for gnutls last month.
That could be. Mine was:
./configure --with-ssl --enable-ipv6
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> I am trying to build lynx2.8.8dev.3 on a (uname -a outpout follows)
> "SunOS nobel 5.10 Generic_142900-04 sun4v sparc SUNW,SPARC-
> Enterprise-T5220"
FWIW, I just built that version successfully. My uname -a is:
SunOS marcie 5.9 Generic_118558-34 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-5_10
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> I just updated the roadmap and added some new stuff to be done. It is
> more detailed for the areas I'm working on. e.g. there isn't much
> detail about LanguageKit plans up to 2011.
> All that is highly subject to change though.
> The next release (0.4.2) content won't change much I think. But s
> There is one here which in theory we rouhgly follow:
> http://etoileos.com/dev/roadmap/
> But we are late and many things have changed for what was initially
> planned for the 0.4.2 release. So the next release is probably going
> to be released around July or August. Unless we change a bit our
>
I was curious if there is an roadmap established for the next several releases.
Goals, maybe even a projected timeline?
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> > I may be setting up another P4 in the near future, which I don't
> > currently have any other plans for. I'd be happy to create accounts
> > for you guys there.
>
> Thanks for the proposal :-)
> If you install it and are still willing to give us access to it, let
> us know.
This is up. I ju
> Putting linux on the mini shouldn't be a problem, on the mac pro I
> can't guarantee to have it running 24h linux, all I could do was
> create a chronjob so that it runs 12 my builds and 12 hour Etoile
> builds.
> But the mini should be ready to go if you need it, unless you go
> with the P4 :).
> I agree that the situation has been pretty bad in the recent months.
> Since we depend on many unstable things such as libobjc2, LLVM/Clang
> and GNUstep, it's going to be hard to improve the situation until we
> rather depend on release versions. But that's our current goal. I'd
> like to achiev
> That (kerberos) sounds like Redhat. I have this script for fixing an
> old Redhat 9.0 which hasn't been incorporated into the configure
> script:
It's Yellow Dog, but that's just a PPC-ified Red Hat, basically.
I'm trying to migrate off that box (the same I've been using for about 7 years
now
> ATM I'm trying to find the part that checks which SSL implementation
> you have, to find why USE_OPENSSL_INCL (which is what I think would
> be correct) wasn't defined. That should be more conclusive.
I started to think that pkg-config might be goofed up, but that appeared to be
fine. In fact
> Did the configure script not find existing OpenSSL development
> headers?
Evidently not. Config.log says
configure:12593:17: ssl.h: No such file or directory
Line 12593 is the "#else" here:
#if defined(USE_OPENSSL_INCL)
#include
#elif defined(USE_GNUTLS_FUNCS)
#include
#elif defined(USE_GN
$ ./configure --with-ssl --enable-ipv6 && make
checking build system type... powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu
checking host system type... powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu
checking target system type... powerpc-unknown-linux-gnu
Configuring for linux-gnu
checking for DESTDIR...
[...]
make[1]: Entering directory
> I have been playing with circled numerals, up through 24, and found
> that my version of Lynx does not go that far. Therefore, I suggest
> this:
I'd tend to use "(X)" for circled character "X" and "((X))" for double-circled
character "X". I know this introduces ambiguity with parenthesized ver
> >> The 0.4.1 release requires LLVM 2.5.
> >> The stable branch requires LLVM 2.6
> >> The trunk branch requires LLVM trunk.
> >
> > I'm packaging Etoile 0.4.1 - I think the llvm package is tracking
> > svn head. So I ought to be ok on that front. (I think?)
>
> No, the 0.4.1 release requires L
> Which branch are you trying to build? This appears to be a mismatch
> between LLVM and LanguageKit versions. Currently:
>
> The 0.4.1 release requires LLVM 2.5.
> The stable branch requires LLVM 2.6
> The trunk branch requires LLVM trunk.
I'm packaging Etoile 0.4.1 - I think the llvm package
Efforts to build on NetBSD continue. The llvm package is a work-in-progress,
OSS is missing altogether, and poppler seems to be acting oddly. So for the
moment, the etoile-core (Frameworks and Languages) package is skipping MediaKit
and PopplerKit, just to see what happens. Those packages wil
The man page says:
ALEPHONE_DATA
Overrides the paths in which data files are searched for. This
is a colon-separated list. Entries later in the list have
precedence over entries earlier in the list. The default is
/usr/sh
> This preview includes a completely new renderer for Aleph One, written
> by
> hogdotmac and made ready for general consumption by Hopper. It supports
> a
> modern 3D perspective, parallax mapping, and bloom. Consequently, you
> must
> have some minimal hardware to run it: a Radeon 9500 or GeForce
> You need to port ETSRandomDev() function (either the Linux version or
> the generic one) to NetBSD, because AFAIK srandomdev() isn't available
> on NetBSD.
> The error you get means the generic function cannot be compiled.
> 'timeval' is POSIX-compliant, you should be able to get it working by
>
> LLVM is about to issue its 2.6 release. Shortly after that, we will
> be branching our 0.4.2 release, which will work with LLVM 2.6. I'm
> not sure about the GNUstep release. We will probably try to push an
> unstable GNUstep release (odd version number) when we branch 0.4.2.
> The only things
Dunno if this is relevant, but if I am root (to get around those permission
issues) I get this
Compiling file ETObjectChain.m ...
Compiling file ETObjectRegistry.m ...
Compiling file ETPropertyValueCoding.m ...
Compiling file ETTranscript.m ...
Compiling file ETTransform.m ...
Compiling
So, any ideas why this line is being executed this way? I don't know enough
about the GNUstep toolchain to even start tracking down where the code doing
this might actually be located.
> /usr/bin/install -c -o root -g wheel -m 444 UKRunner.h
> UnitKit.framework/Versions/1/Headers/UKRunner.h
> i
> This all looks sensible. There isn't much stuff in Developer that
> you'll want to package. The examples might want to go in an etoile-
> examples package, but you might not bother; anyone interested in
> development can probably check out svn stuff themselves. CodeMonkey
> is probably worth p
Niels Grewe:
> This is rather odd. On my setup (GNU/Linux) install takes '-c -p -m
> 644'
> as arguments, so it doesn't do any chowning/chgrping. If you build
> with 'gmake messages=yes' you will see what commands gnustep-make is
> issuing during the built. These could be useful for debugging this.
> something like: framework (etoile-core?), apps that could stand alone
> without Etoile (perhaps e.g. azalea, azdock, melodie, iterm, mollusk,
> stepchat, babbler, typewriter), helper apps that only make sense within
> Etoile (etoile-applets? etoile-tools?), and the meta. So about 10
> packages i
David Chisnall:
> GNUstep.sh needs to be sourced when building any GNUstep code. This
> is documented in the GNUstep docs, but we probably need to document it
> somewhere for Étoilé too. This file sets a number of environment
> variables that are required by GNUstep Make.
So instead of simply "g
Niels Grewe:
> No you don't. In fact, you should refrain from building stuff as root
> and only assume the superuser role if you install into the Local or
> System domain. If you're just experimenting with Étoilé you'd also be
> fine with GNUSTEP_INSTALLATION_DOMAIN=USER and using your normal user
David Chisnall:
> The FreeBSD ports take approach 1. There are a load of etoile-*
> packages and an etoile metaport that just depends on them all. It's a
> bit more work, but since Dirk has already done it once you can
> probably steal a lot of his effort (for example, he has, I think, got
> all
Looking at all that Etoile is (a framework, an window manager, several handy
apps of various kinds), I think there are two possible ways to go about
packaging it, but I don't know which way is more beneficial to users.
1) Package pieces separately (i.e. core framework, Azalea, Melodie, etc.) wit
I'm a complete newbie to the GNUstep world. Do I need to be root to build?
Why?
09:51:37 NetBSD 5.0 ~/Etoile-0.4.1
t...@roy 554$ GNUSTEP_MAKEFILES=/usr/pkg/share/GNUstep/Makefiles gmake
This is gnustep-make 2.0.8. Type 'make print-gnustep-make-help' for help.
Making all in Frameworks...
Making
> We try to only rely on unstable releases for the trunk branch, which
> is our development branch and so needs to track everyone else's
> development branches. Currently, I believe, there are only two things
> that we depend on unstable releases for:
>
> - GNUstep
> - LLVM
>
> LLVM is about to
I'm still interested in doing this, however, the reliance upon unstable
versions of dependencies is a blocker right now. If anyone could take the time
to explain why this is necessary, and give an indication as to when it may
change to dependencies on stable versions, that would be most appreci
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I've been having problems building dash on Solaris for some time. Is there
anyone working on cross-platform issues?
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Thank you! Very helpful!
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I am curious exactly what makes dash distinct from its predecessor, ash?
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> RC1 incorporates all the changes from previews 1 and 2 (see
> http://blog.treellama.org/2009/08/preview-build-is-available-from.html
> and http://blog.treellama.org/2009/05/aleph-one-022-preview-1.html)
> plus these additions:
>
> Features:
>
> * (Lua) Player.weapons.desired
> * Optional gamma-
> On Thu, 13 Aug 2009, Larson, Timothy E. wrote:
>
> > -I/usr/pkg/include/SDL -D_GNU_SOURCE=1 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE
> >
> > I thought the originating problem was that Xlib.h and Xatom.h weren't
> found.
>
> Aleph One doesn't include those files, S
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 6:31 PM, Larson, Timothy E.
> wrote:
> > /usr/pkg/include/SDL/SDL_syswm.h:55:22: error: X11/Xlib.h: No such
> file or directory
> > /usr/pkg/include/SDL/SDL_syswm.h:56:23: error: X11/Xatom.h: No such
> file or directory
> > /usr/pkg/inc
> What exactly fails to build? Aleph One doesn't (shouldn't) rely on X11
> at
> all.
Making all in XML
gmake[3]: Entering directory
`/home/tim/downloads/AlephOne-20090801/Source_Files/XML'
gmake[3]: Nothing to be done for `all'.
gmake[3]: Leaving directory
`/home/tim/downloads/AlephOne-20090801/
This fails on NetBSD/powerpc 5.0 because some X headers are not found. NB5 has
moved to Xorg on some architectures, so configuration cannot assume /usr/X11R6,
as it might be R7. As more platforms will be encountering this (and I thought
NB was late to the game already) some kind of check for t
From: Gregory Smith
> SourceForge is pretty broken,
What's the story on that?
> but if you go to
> 'Files'
> you can see all the options:
>
> http://sourceforge.net/projects/marathon/files/Aleph%20One/2008-12-
> 26/AlephOne-20081226.tar.bz2/download
Is it possible to get the -nolibs version ba
Are there still nolibs tarballs available to download?
Thanks,
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> I still prefer mailing lists myself, but the signal to noise ratio here
> is
> getting terrible. I have to clean spam out of it nearly every day, for
> a
> mere handful of posts a month :(
I think web forums are a terrible interface for this kind of discussion (I have
accounts on the Pfhorums a
> Fixing this may be trivial, but remembering to check non-standard
> places
> for bug reports when we have a tracker for that purpose is apparently
> not
> as trivial, at least for me. I assure you I am not being absent-minded
> on
> purpose.
Duly noted. I shall make a stronger effort to use the
Since fixing this would be relatively trivial (using patch previously provided
or something else) it would be really nice to see this resolved before the
release.
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> That's the same problem as before isn't it?
Actually it is...I thought I remembered you saying you were looking into it.
But then, I am on so many development lists I guess just confused this with
something else.
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g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../.. -I../../Source_Files/CSeries
-I../../Source_Files/Files -I../../Source_Files/GameWorld
-I../../Source_Files/Input -I../../Source_Files/Lua
-I../../Source_Files/ModelView -I../../Source_Files/Network
-I../../Source_Files/Network/Metaserver -I../..
> Actually the button tag behaviour in all browsers i've tested is to submit
> the form in which it is, without any javascript.
Button type does default to submit according to the spec (HTML 4.01, section
17.5), so I guess the correct behavior in those cases would be for Lynx to
submit the form.
I am in complete agreement with Thorsten...the default should be to send a UA
string. I'm not against the option of sending a blank string or no UA header
at all, but changing the default to this seems like A Bad Thing to me.
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$ ./configure --with-ssl --enable-ipv6 --with-bzlib --with-zlib
--disable-gopher && make
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I../../.. -I../../../src -I../../.. -I../../../src
-I../../../WWW/Library/Implementation -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE
-D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64 -D_GNU_SOURCE -DLINUX -I/usr/kerberos/include
(My apologies if you receive this as a duplicate. I got a strange error when
sending.)
> I cannot get dash 0.5.4 to build on Solaris. I've made a couple small
> patches that may be a step in the right direction.
These patches were not committed, so I am now working on 0.5.5.1 and
carrying them
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> Another solution would be to always define our own alephone::exp2 based on
> std::exp. I'm not sure if that is better than yours.
Yup. Either way, as long as it works out of the box. I expect that a half-way
knowledgable Unix user can handle "./configure && make" but not to edit source
files
> You should just be able to remove that #if 0 if your headers don't have
> exp2 in them?
I could finish compiling with these patches:
t...@roy 348$ diff -u configure.ac.orig configure.ac
--- configure.ac.orig 2008-12-26 20:33:31.0 -0600
+++ configure.ac2009-04-16 13:36:00.
I'm trying to build 20081226 (0.21.2), and getting an error in preferences.cpp
with exp2 not being declared in the scope it is used there. The exp2
definition is inside an #if 0 block. I can't find any other place anywhere
that defines it. Am I missing something?
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at each other. A couple melee maps, some marine tactical heuristics, and
away you go!
I have no idea how to put that together, but it would be co
Just curious, and maybe you've mentioned this already and I missed it,
but when do you plan to cut 2.8.7 final? Are you shooting for a
specific feature set before release, or do you cut one every X months,
or some other system?
Thanks,
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On Tuesday, December 09, 2008 7:17 PM, Thomas Dickey <> scribbled:
> On Tue, Dec 09, 2008 at 05:05:26AM -0500, MJ wrote:
>> The most recent stable version, 2.8.6rel.5 was released as a package
>> for Solaris 8-10 on SunFreeware.com on November 21, 2008 (thanks
>> Steve).
>
> I'm not able to test
Hello list,
I cannot get dash 0.5.4 to build on Solaris. I've made a couple small
patches that may be a step in the right direction.
$ diff -u src/mkbuiltins.orig src/mkbuiltins
--- mkbuiltins.orig Fri Jul 13 03:26:43 2007
+++ mkbuiltins Tue Oct 21 14:27:30 2008
@@ -35,6 +35,7 @@
#
#
Just thought I'd try building the latest dev release for kicks, and was very
pleasantly surprised to find that it went without any problems whatsoever.
Thanks, TD!
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On Wednesday, August 20, 2008 11:19 PM, Scott <> scribbled:
> Larson, Timothy E. wrote:
>> And what happened to the del.icio.us domain?
>
> Uhhh...
>
> Nothing. http://del.icio.us <http://del.icio.us>
It sends me to delicious.com. :P The domain hack was pa
Jonathan Chetwynd <> wrote:
> did you investigate SVG language?
> that is there is little or no text mark up.
> Hence I am wondering, what can the delay be?
> is stripping out the title and text content that difficult a task?
> could you indicate which part is causing a problem?
Mr. Dickey has oth
Matt <> wrote:
> I see the new site is out - congratulations!
Gah! I hate it! Where's the list of tags to click? And what happened to
the del.icio.us domain?
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If the Del bookmark saved the favicon URL and fetched the original, that may
be a privacy concern. But if Del instead cached favicons and served these
instead, I think the privacy concerns are eliminated.
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Andrew <> wrote:
> Is anyone able to log into Slashdot using Lynx? The site doesn't see
> me as logged in, despite the cookie being stored in the cookie jar.
>
> Trying to figure out if it's a Slashdot problem, Lynx problem or my
> own system's problem...
> -BEGIN VERSION INFO-
> ~> lynx
Nathalie Vaiser <> wrote:
> But, I think the search itself should be improved to perhaps give an
> option of the default 'exact match' with a partial match option. As in
> my example, if I tagged something as pleural and didn't remember I did
> that (ie - Robots) and then I search for 'Robot' with
Jonathan Chetwynd <> wrote:
> you have my sympathies, unfortunately my project is slowly gathering
> speed.
> I would really like to use lynx as a test case as we go forward.
You are, of course, free to contribute patches yourself. :)
Tim
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Thorsten Glaser <> wrote:
> I'd be all in favour of calling the next release 3.00 and then going
> on from there numerically (3.01, 3.02, etc.) with only one decimal dot
> in the version number âº
Egads, no. That system is ambiguous, and usually means I have to make my brain
reparse the strin
Thorsten Glaser <> wrote:
> I'd like to hear of a reason... I know of a page that does. But then,
> there is the issue of or whatever.
> Especially if then the CSS is in a separate file. So only a fix for
> 1/3 of all possible situa- tions would be possible at all anyway.
The best scenario wou
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