Re: FW: History shows paths to market crashes, but lessons seem forgotten

2003-01-09 Thread Fred Foldvary
> In a few years, this movement of baby boomer money into safe havens should drive down both the price of stocks and the yield on bonds. > ~Alypius Skinner No, for two reasons: 1) Many who retire will not sell all their stocks. If they get an annuity, the stocks are just transferred to the insura

Re: FW: History shows paths to market crashes

2003-01-09 Thread Fred Foldvary
--- Bryan D Caplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (Incidentally, 7% sounds low relative to other averages I've heard. > Burton Malkiel cites a figure of 10% real pre-tax if I recall > correctly). Roger Clarke and Meir Statman, Winter 2000, "The DJIA Crossed 652,230", Journal of Portfolio Management

Re: FW: History shows paths to market crashes, but lessons seem forgotten

2003-01-08 Thread Bryan D Caplan
Alypius Skinner wrote: > The 7% long-term inflation-adjusted return on equity investments (composed > of dividends plus capital gains) is only true for people who enter the > market at very low P/E's and benefit from dramatic P/E "inflation." How can that be? That 7% is an average over all owner

Re: FW: History shows paths to market crashes, but lessons seem forgotten

2003-01-08 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 1/8/03 7:10:56 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << True, but people don't live 300 years! People who make their fortunes in a bull market and then get decimated in a bear market may not recover in their lifetimes. It has happened before. ~Alypius Skinner >> yes, and that ma

Re: FW: History shows paths to market crashes, but lessons seem forgotten

2003-01-08 Thread Alypius Skinner
> > Compared to the factor of 25 by which real per capita incomes have grown > since the Industrial Revolution, there ARE no large bubbles. > > David Levenstam True, but people don't live 300 years! People who make their fortunes in a bull market and then get decimated in a bear market may not r

Re: FW: History shows paths to market crashes, but lessons seem forgotten

2003-01-08 Thread Alypius Skinner
> People retiring today can expect to live another 20 years or so. So > even there it's not clear that heavy equity investment isn't the smart > choice. As far as I understand the literature on the equity premium > puzzle, this explanation doesn't really work. Yes, it does. If you're drawing d

Re: FW: History shows paths to market crashes, but lessons seem forgotten

2003-01-07 Thread Bryan D Caplan
Alypius Skinner wrote: > People aren't always alive in the long-term! Lots of baby boomers are > approaching retirement when they will begin to draw down their savings. If > their savings are being decimated by a bear market at the same time, they > may not have enough to last them until they die

Re: FW: History shows paths to market crashes, but lessons seem forgotten

2003-01-07 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 1/7/03 11:58:51 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << > If one had a cynical bent one might suggest that the predominance of > stories about the small bubbles in the huge cake batter of the miracle of modern economic growth stems from a prevalence of statists in the news media.< > D

Re: FW: History shows paths to market crashes, but lessons seem forgotten

2003-01-07 Thread Alypius Skinner
The average > investor would be far better off if they did think that enormous returns > could continue forever because, in a deep though less dramatic way, they > DO. I suspect that a lot of people have been turned off to stock > ownership for decades in spite of the fact that they are the smart

Re: FW: History shows paths to market crashes, but lessons seem forgotten

2003-01-07 Thread Fred Foldvary
--- Bryan D Caplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I find it interesting that there are so many more articles about bubbles > than about the underlying reality of the equity premium puzzle. This is > a nice case where a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. The average > investor would be far bette

Re: FW: History shows paths to market crashes, but lessons seem forgotten

2003-01-07 Thread Fred Foldvary
> If one had a cynical bent one might suggest that the predominance of > stories about the small bubbles in the huge cake batter of the miracle of modern economic growth stems from a prevalence of statists in the news media.< > David Levenstam What about the large bubbles? Fred Foldvary = [

Re: FW: History shows paths to market crashes, but lessons seem forgotten

2003-01-07 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 1/7/03 12:53:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I find it interesting that there are so many more articles about bubbles than about the underlying reality of the equity premium puzzle. This is a nice case where a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. The average investor wo

Re: FW: History shows paths to market crashes, but lessons seem forgotten

2003-01-06 Thread Bryan D Caplan
I find it interesting that there are so many more articles about bubbles than about the underlying reality of the equity premium puzzle. This is a nice case where a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. The average investor would be far better off if they did think that enormous returns could co

Re: FW: History shows paths to market crashes, but lessons seem forgotten

2003-01-05 Thread AdmrlLocke
In a message dated 1/5/03 6:56:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << Take the crash of 1929. In Devil Take the Hindmost, Edward Chancellor records how Wall Street's elite convinced themselves that the rules of economics had been rewritten and that the market could support ever-highe

FW: History shows paths to market crashes, but lessons seem forgotten

2003-01-05 Thread Alypius Skinner
   http://www.mail-archive.com/futurework@dijkstra.uwaterloo.ca/msg05751.html   http://www.ardemgaz.com/tech/D4bcrashes6.html    History shows paths to market crashes, but lessons seem forgotten   LARRY ELLIOTT   THE GUARDIAN, LONDON   In the spring of 1720, when all of London was clamoring