Re: posting question about Recognition Manifestation

2004-11-21 Thread Don Calkins
At 5:26 PM -0500 11/21/04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >Is there a line somewhere in Aqdas or elsewhere that says after the >Recognition one should serve those that believe? Fariborz >__ The only thing I am aware of that ties recognition of the Ma

Re: Reading Paul through the eyes of Augustine and Luther

2004-11-21 Thread Gilberto Simpson
Something which occured to me a long time ago regarding Paul is that even without bringing in Luther and Augustine, before his conversion Paul actually helped to hunt down and imprison Christians. He was present at the stoning of Stephen, the first Christian martyr mentioned in the book of Acts giv

Re: Gay rights

2004-11-21 Thread Tim Nolan
Dear Susan,   >That doesn't mean that I would vote against such things if they  came up in on the ballot because I don't believe Baha'is should impose our religious beliefs on those who don't share them.<   I see it differently, although I am certainly not arguing against your right to vote as you

Re: posting question about Recognition Manifestation

2004-11-21 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Dear Fariborz, Personally, I cannot recall a phrase which implies "...after the Recognition one should serve those that believe..." The closest would be directives to the Institutions to "serve the servants". Otherwise, those references to "serve" that I've located seem to address the willing

Re: Reading Paul through the eyes of Augustine and Luther

2004-11-21 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 11/20/2004 3:54:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:   Could you please explain, in layman's terms, what it means to read Paul through the eyes of Augustine and Luther? Augustine and Luther were very fixated with the issue of their personal sinfullness. This

Re: structurizationism

2004-11-21 Thread Richard H. Gravelly
Original Message from Sandra Chamberlain Mark responded: >IMO, emanation is a divine structurization for the particulars, the created beings, which God emanates.< I agree with Mark's comment (fortunately, so does Abdu'l-Baha... see SAQ pgs: 202-208. Nonetheless, in consideration of a structuriza

Re: posting question about Recognition Manifestation

2004-11-21 Thread Smaneck
In a message dated 11/21/2004 2:26:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is there a line somewhere in Aqdas or elsewhere that says after the Recognition one should serve those that believe? Not to my knowledge. Obedience to the Laws comes after recognition, not obedience to oth

Re: Gay rights

2004-11-21 Thread Christian E. Gruber
Dear Susan, David, Being in a society (Canada) that has quite explicitly decided to allow gay marriage, I have to say... I just don't care. That's the fundamantal lesson, in my view, of "Render unto Caesar, the things that are Caesar's". It's not just about paying taxes, it's about not at

Re: posting question about Recognition Manifestation

2004-11-21 Thread Evolvinghuman
Is there a line somewhere in Aqdas or elsewhere that says after the Recognition one should serve those that believe?   Fariborz __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mai

Re: Gay rights

2004-11-21 Thread Smaneck
" Should I just say I am against gay marriage, or what exactly? I just want to make sure I say the right thing." Dear David, The "right thing" is whatever you believe. Baha'is don't believe in gay marriages. We also believe we shouldn't drink alcohol. That doesn't mean that I would vote aga

Re: Announcement for Holder of the Baha'i Chair (forwarded message)

2004-11-21 Thread Smaneck
The search has been reopened? Very strange. They had claimed to have had tons of qualified applicants. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com To unsubscribe, send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To su

Re: abortion

2004-11-21 Thread Smaneck
"Ok, but I still don't understand, the first idea that comes is that the abortion is permisible only for medical reasons or no?" Dear Hasan, Sort of, but there seems to be a rather broad leeway for what constitutes 'medical reasons' which includes the mental health of the mother, especially i

Re: abortion

2004-11-21 Thread Hasan Elias
Ok, but I still don't understand, the first idea that comes is that the abortion is permisible only for medical reasons or no? HasanKathy Gilbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Kia Ora, Susan,Thank you.I knew there was something I was missing, but it was hovering on the far peripheral of my mind.Aroha

RE: posting question about Recognition Manifestation

2004-11-21 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
IN THE NAME OF HIM WHO IS THE SUPREME RULER OVER ALL THAT HATH BEEN AND ALL THAT IS TO BE The first duty prescribed by God for His servants is the recognition of Him Who is the Dayspring of His Revelation and the Fountain of His laws, Who representeth the Godhead in both the Kingdom of His Cau

Announcement for Holder of the Baha'i Chair (forwarded message)

2004-11-21 Thread Mark A. Foster
The National Spiritual Assembly of the United States is happy to share with you the below announcement prepared by the College of Behavioral and Social Sciences at the University of Maryland inviting applications for the next holder of the Baha'i Chair for World Peace. As you may be aware, Dr. S

Re: Gay rights

2004-11-21 Thread Mark A. Foster
David, At 11:44 PM 11/20/2004, you wrote: >>Recently my friend was talking about gay rights, and expressed the opinion >>that gay people should be free to marry each other. He asked me what I >>thought, and I wasn't totally sure what to say as a Baha'i so avoided the >>question. Should I just

Re: structurizationism

2004-11-21 Thread Sandra Chamberlain
Richard, you wrote: >>What human structurization could be named or labeled 'emanation'?<< to which Mark responded: >IMO, emanation is a divine structurization for the particulars, the created beings, which God emanates.< I agree with Mark's comment (fortunately, so does Abdu'l-Baha... see SA